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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by A001: 9:18pm On May 17, 2022
Kholiwe:

What makes you the judge of good acts? There's no such thing as objective "right" or "wrong", just people's opinions. Right and wrong is purely subjective. Killing an enemy is right, but wrong if you are that enemy.
You asked me what makes me the judge of good acts even after I said right and wrong are subjective; yet you said, "Killing an enemy is right."

What makes you the judge of that?

Any sane person knows what's right and wrong.
Kholiwe:

Rape and murder is only wrong, objectively now, because it clearly doesn’t work in the kind of society we are trying to live in. That is why, and the only why. The society determine what is wrong or right. Even rape and murder have not been considered wrong by all societies throughout all history. In many periods these were completely acceptable activities depending on who the victim was. All morality and ethics, which define "right" and "wrong," are human-made and vary by group, culture, time, and place.
When you realize the holy book you hold so dearly and your religion are both the handiwork of man, you'll understand these simple and clear issues.

Morality, ethics, philosophy, religion, science, etc. are all man-made. That's a fact you need to deal with.
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by izzou(m): 9:20pm On May 17, 2022
Joeyzinho:
Useless Southampton... Smh

Dem don knack you ban?

I was seeing your comments on front page, and I knew Ikoyi prisons was calling your moniker
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Unlimited22: 9:21pm On May 17, 2022
Human reasoning is flawed. Religion is flawed.

Only Otem and Atum are faultless cool

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by A001: 9:23pm On May 17, 2022
Kholiwe:

Since you agree Human reason is limited, fallible, and conjectural then you agree it cannot be trusted as well.
If you can't trust human reason, then how did you conclude rape, slavery weren't condemned in the past?

If human reason can't be trusted, then nothing you say as a human can be trusted.
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Oasis007(m): 9:23pm On May 17, 2022
undecided

Can someone tell those Nairaland verified Fóóls that enough is enough! We're done with nonsense debate. If you wanna continue, create a Thread and leave us with our football Gists.

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Kholiwe(f): 9:24pm On May 17, 2022
A001:

You asked me what makes me the judge of good acts even after I said right and wrong are subjective; yet you said "Killing an enemy is right".

What makes you the judge of that?

Any sane person knows what's right and wrong.

The bold is nonsense. Who and what determines what's right and wrong if not society? Most people perceive acts of right and wrong by following a pre established set of moral guidelines. Who instilled these guidelines and set these rules for valuation of human actions into place? Any concept such as good, bad, right and wrong can ultimately be boiled down to fabrications of the human mind. All such concepts are relative to individual perception.
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Joeyzinho: 9:26pm On May 17, 2022
izzou:


Dem don knack you ban?

I was seeing your comments on front page, and I knew Ikoyi prisons was calling your moniker

grin grin currently in kuje correctional center. Abba kyari is here with me.

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Kholiwe(f): 9:28pm On May 17, 2022
A001:

If you can't trust human reason, then how did you conclude rape, slavery weren't condemned in the past?

If human reason can't be trusted, then nothing you say as a human can be trusted.
It's basically written all over history. Keep up and stop carrying me backwards. Human reasoning is flawed and you already agreed to it. Everything at our disposal to scientifically understand reality is heuristics (theories, models, experiments, studies), which by their nature can never be 100% correct. So in terms of factual understanding of the world all we humans can do is try to use the scientific or other methods to converge to a universal understanding of reality as much as possible, but we will never, ever achieve a universal understanding. This is the human condition and what the Socratic paradox is all about.
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by izzou(m): 9:28pm On May 17, 2022
Joeyzinho:


grin grin currently in kuje correctional center. Abba kyari is here with me.

grin grin grin

How many lawyers do you need?

Would 34 be enough?
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by A001: 9:30pm On May 17, 2022
Unlimited22:
Human reasoning is flawed. Religion is flawed.

Only Otem and Atum are faultless cool
And those ones no be human? It's obvious there's a kind of damage reading and believing religious texts do to the brain.

A smart person analyses any statement he reads in any book (whether religious, historical or philosophical) based on the merit of its claims.

But the typical Nigerian, with their deeply ingrained inferiority complex, would analyze statements based on the author's nationality or race, without considering the merit (evidence for or against) of the claims.

If it's from the whites and Arabs, then it's must be authentic and profound, but if it's from a fellow African, then it's must be devilish and evil.

Anything foreign and European is superior and pleasing to slaves.
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by A001: 9:32pm On May 17, 2022
Kholiwe:

It's basically written all over history. Keep up and stop carrying me backwards. Human reasoning is flawed and you already agreed to it. Everything at our disposal to scientifically understand reality is heuristics (theories, models, experiments, studies), which by their nature can never be 100% correct. So in terms of factual understanding of the world all we humans can do is try to use the scientific or other methods to converge to a universal understanding of reality as much as possible, but we will never, ever achieve a universal understanding. This is the human condition and what the Socratic paradox is all about.
Thanks for showing me a reasonable person can't trust your religious text since it's the handiwork of man (human reason). It didn't drop from heaven.
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Godx: 9:34pm On May 17, 2022
Joeyzinho:
Useless Southampton... Smh
I knew Liverpool were still going to win. They are relentless.
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by donstan18: 9:35pm On May 17, 2022
Them knack person ban, e stop to dey drop epistle insulting Muhamaad out of fear to avoid another ban.

And Na this same person say e go enter Muslim midst insult their prophet.

Nairaland buccaneer

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Joeyzinho: 9:37pm On May 17, 2022
izzou:


grin grin grin

How many lawyers do you need?

Would 34 be enough?

grin grin
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Kholiwe(f): 9:38pm On May 17, 2022
A001:

Thanks for showing me a reasonable person can't trust your religious text since it's the handiwork of man (human reason). It didn't drop from heaven.

You keep talking about religion this and that where as all my posts are centered on society definition of right, wrong Morality etc in general without even bringing religion into it. The only thing in that big head of yours is religion.
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by airmark(m): 9:39pm On May 17, 2022
Kholiwe:

It's Society that determines what is bad and Good or right. Back then those things you listed were not regarded as bad to those societies.

Killing a man and marrying his wife, is bad in every society and at all times.
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Joeyzinho: 9:40pm On May 17, 2022
Godx:

I knew Liverpool were still going to win. They are relentless.

They have been relentless all season. I love the mentality of the team.
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by izzou(m): 9:40pm On May 17, 2022
donstan18:
Them knack person ban, e stop to dey drop epistle insulting Muhamaad out of fear to avoid another ban.

And Na this same person say e go enter Muslim midst insult their prophet.

Nairaland buccaneer

Why you dey like this?

grin grin

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by A001: 9:42pm On May 17, 2022
Kholiwe:

You keep talking about religion this and that where as all my posts are centered on society definition of right, wrong Morality etc in general without even bringing religion into it. The only thing in that big head of yours is religion.
Lols. You're a religious person, and I know you people's reasoning is always controlled by the content of a book, even when the reality of things contradicts your beliefs.

Abeg enough of religious discussion for me, just hold onto your beliefs while I hold onto reason.
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by BlueRayDick: 9:43pm On May 17, 2022
donstan18:
Them knack person ban, e stop to dey drop epistle insulting Muhamaad out of fear to avoid another ban.

And Na this same person say e go enter Muslim midst insult their prophet.

Nairaland buccaneer

U this guy grin

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by BlueRayDick: 9:46pm On May 17, 2022
I can’t wait to see Klopp and Loserpool fans get disappointed while monitoring results at the Etihad as city go dey kolobi Aston Villa on Sunday . cool

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Kholiwe(f): 9:48pm On May 17, 2022
A001:

Lols. You're a religious person, and I know you people's reasoning is always controlled by the content of a book, even when the reality of things contradicts your beliefs.

Abeg enough of religious discussion for me, just hold onto your beliefs while I hold onto reason.
Attack the things I write down in my post to you not what I didn't write down. I never mentioned religion or refered to any religious books when we were discussing rights, wrong, Good/bad and morality.
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by airmark(m): 9:49pm On May 17, 2022
BlueRayDick:
I can’t wait to see Klopp and Loserpool fans get disappointed while monitoring results at the Etihad as city go dey kolobi Aston Villa on Sunday . cool

Shouldn't you be more interested in Norwich vs Tottenham? grin

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Unlimited22: 9:50pm On May 17, 2022
A001:

And those ones no be human? It's obvious there's a kind of damage reading and believing religious texts do to the brain.

A smart person analyses any statement he reads in any book (whether religious, historical or philosophical) based on the merit of its claims.

But the typical Nigerian, with their deeply ingrained inferiority complex, would analyze statements based on the author's nationality or race, without considering the merit (evidence for or against) of the claims.

If it's from the whites and Arabs, then it's must be authentic and profound, but if it's from a fellow African, then it's must be devilish and evil.

Anything foreign and European is superior and pleasing to slaves.
Exactly. And throwing insults here and there to those who don't subscribe to your reasoning is the height of emancipation. I never knew grin

Person follow you dey yarn society but all you can talk about is religion. Sorry o, Mr Daenerys Stormborn, breaker of chains


A001 with the whole brain. Rejecting one text for another and claiming to be emancipated. Lmao.

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Godx: 9:51pm On May 17, 2022
Joeyzinho:


They have been relentless all season. I love the mentality of the team.
Well city depends on themselves. Just one win required to be champions officially cause to me it's already done.

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Unlimited22: 9:52pm On May 17, 2022
It comes from an African, therefore it must be true cool
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by airmark(m): 9:56pm On May 17, 2022
airmark:


Killing a man and marrying his wife, is bad in every society and at all times.

@Kholiwe @Raumdeuter @patrickmuf right or wrong?

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by A001: 9:58pm On May 17, 2022
Unlimited22:

Exactly. And throwing insults here and there to those who don't subscribe to your reasoning is the height of emancipation. I never knew grin

Person follow you dey yarn society but all you can talk about is religion. Sorry o, Mr Daenerys Stormborn, breaker of chains


A001 with the whole brain. Rejecting one text for another and claiming to be emancipated. Lmao.
He/she is a religious person. The reasonable thing to do is to discuss a religious issue with a religionist as who he/she is, a religionist, not as a freethinker (who he/she is not).

If I find your post mischievous and insulting, I'd reply you in kind.

It's not reasonable to swallow all the contents of any book or a text hook, line, and sinker. All books or texts are handiwork of man, and one only takes as true what's true based on merit and reason.
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by donstan18: 9:59pm On May 17, 2022
izzou:


Why you dey like this?

grin grin
Papingo Dabalaya wey wan insult prophet in the midst of Yusuf, Ibrahim, Hamza, Sahil and Abdul, na small Nland ban humble am.

I’m done believing these social media chest beaters.

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by A001: 10:00pm On May 17, 2022
Unlimited22:
It comes from an African, therefore it must be true cool
Your problem is actually graver than I thought. It turns out you can't read and comprehend simple and clear statements in English.
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by A001: 10:04pm On May 17, 2022
Kholiwe:

Attack the things I write down in my post to you not what I didn't write down. I never mentioned religion or refered to any religious books when we were discussing rights, wrong, Good/bad and morality.
You said earlier you're a Christian. You said so yourself; I didn't put words in your mouth.

Hence, I responded to your posts based on your religion (I know that's where your beliefs stem from) and the points you put forward in your posts.

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