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theenchanter:
urbanization rate means a country has a % of it's total area as urban area. It's shows a widespread of development...... Either economic or infrastructural.

Always jumping into my comments without understanding the context! But why

Anyway, you also sound ignorant on this topic. Urbanization does not show widespread development --- especially in an African setup. Let's try to tackle a few aspects.

Population wise:
Tokyo, for example, has more than 35 million people, compared to some of Africa’s megacities like Nigeria which have around 23 million people. The question is not the size but the capacity of the cities to develop, not spontaneously but in a well-designed and well-planned manner. The problem is not the emergence of megacities, but the lack of planning. The challenge is how to transform megacities so they can be productive without accumulating the problems of unplanned urbanization. when you see a city like Lagos, Yes, people might say it's a megacity owing to its sheer population, but is it more developed than Casablanca or Cape Town for example? Nope - maybe economically. That boils down to my point. The guy you're defending is saying Kenya will never catch up with Ghana because of her low urbanization rate( although, unlike Ghana where all location is inhabitable, he also forgot that 70% of Kenya is dry, and people can't afford to stay)

Check this out: Slum cities equating to organizations in Africa, the likes of Nigeria and Ghana!
New cities are springing up in Africa but so too are slums.
Slums are a natural consequence of spontaneous urbanization. In that sense, they should be considered a temporary outcome of development

Slums should be integrated in a much better manner with proper rights to housing. You cannot fight slums in an isolated manner. What you need is an integrated policy that addresses the livelihoods of people, such as employment, income, training, and human capital.

In a nutshell, If you don't have proper urban planning policies, like those in Casablanca or Capetown, or a proper financial system to manage urbanization sprawl, or basically the system to facilitate quality and proper city design, then don't come here to rant about unproductive urbanization...

Just40:
correct on all point .... Countries with proper manufacturing consumes massive electricity to show the power of their economic activity... If you look at Shanghai lockdown, their electricity consumption has dropped massively because of a slowdown in economic activity. Once they start opening up, it will shoot right back up.

Mining, manufacturing and other industries take up more electricity.

Kenya is mostly an agricultural country, Tea and flowers they do not farm farm which is needed in their country.

They build houses on their most fertile lands, Kenya has plenty of rivers and water. They should consider building a city in the middle of the country away from fertile lands.

And that's my 2 cents

Just40:
correct on all point .... Countries with proper manufacturing consumes massive electricity to show the power of their economic activity... If you look at Shanghai lockdown, their electricity consumption has dropped massively because of a slowdown in economic activity. Once they start opening up, it will shoot right back up.

Tanzania has improved its manufacturing and food production capacity, they used to get most things in SA 20 years back but they have improved their own.

Most will be angry by me saying this but it's the truth

Just40:
I swear

All the click bit can be nauseating

"Clickbait!" Where did you receive your education?

AfriqueDuZuid:
Mining, manufacturing and other industries take up more electricity.

Kenya is mostly an agricultural country, Tea and flowers they do not farm farm which is needed in their country.

They build houses on their most fertile lands, Kenya has plenty of rivers and water. They should consider building a city in the middle of the country away from fertile lands.

And that's my 2 cents

Wow! Powerful submission.

But on top of everything, add manufacturing.

Thank you, my guy... Stick there.

Shma:
Always jumping into my comments without understanding the context! But why

Anyway, you also sound ignorant on this topic. Urbanization does not show widespread development --- especially in an African setup. Let's try to tackle a few aspects.

Population wise:
Tokyo, for example, has more than 35 million people, compared to some of Africa’s megacities like Nigeria which have around 23 million people. The question is not the size but the capacity of the cities to develop, not spontaneously but in a well-designed and well-planned manner. The problem is not the emergence of megacities, but the lack of planning. The challenge is how to transform megacities so they can be productive without accumulating the problems of unplanned urbanization. when you see a city like Lagos, Yes, people might say it's a megacity owing to its sheer population, but is it more developed than Casablanca or Cape Town for example? Nope - maybe economically. That boils down to my point. The guy you're defending is saying Kenya will never catch up with Ghana because of her low urbanization rate( although, unlike Ghana where all location is inhabitable, he also forgot that 70% of Kenya is dry, and people can't afford to stay)

Check this out: Slum cities equating to organizations in Africa, the likes of Nigeria and Ghana!
New cities are springing up in Africa but so too are slums.
Slums are a natural consequence of spontaneous urbanization. In that sense, they should be considered a temporary outcome of development

Slums should be integrated in a much better manner with proper rights to housing. You cannot fight slums in an isolated manner. What you need is an integrated policy that addresses the livelihoods of people, such as employment, income, training, and human capital.

In a nutshell, If you don't have proper urban planning policies, like those in Casablanca or Capetown, or a proper financial system to manage urbanization sprawl, or basically the system to facilitate quality and proper city design, then don't come here to rant about unproductive urbanization...

The percentage of people living in slums should be subtracted from actual number of people living urban areas.

That's when you'll realise many countries are way back.

Take Rwanda share of people in slums is 42%
It has a urbanization rate of 12%

My take is actual urbanization rate is at 7%...

@shma

You can take do for all countries... Situation is dire.

AfriqueDuZuid:
The percentage of people living in slums should be subtracted from actual number of people living urban areas.

That's when you'll realise many countries are way back.

Take Rwanda share of people in slums is 42%
It has an urbanization rate of 12%

My take is actual urbanization rate is at 7%...

Nope. Wrong analogy.... If we go with the size of slums in Km², then it will make more sense.

That is if we have to focus on infrastructure dev as opposed to economic.

Shma:
"Clickbait!" Where did you receive your education?

Typing error happens to anyone,

Happens to everyone, should you be even asking questions like that over a simple error.

We move

AfriqueDuZuid:
@shma

You can take do for all countries... Situation is dire.

It will be tiresome. But I will try when I get time. There is more to unpack.

AfriqueDuZuid:
Typing error happens to anyone,

Happens to everyone, should you be even asking questions like that over a simple error.

We move

I know typing errors when I see one.

That was not a typing error.

Shma:
Always jumping into my comments without understanding the context! But why

Anyway, you also sound ignorant on this topic. Urbanization does not show widespread development --- especially in an African setup. Let's try to tackle a few aspects.

Population wise:
Tokyo, for example, has more than 35 million people, compared to some of Africa’s megacities like Nigeria which have around 23 million people. The question is not the size but the capacity of the cities to develop, not spontaneously but in a well-designed and well-planned manner. The problem is not the emergence of megacities, but the lack of planning. The challenge is how to transform megacities so they can be productive without accumulating the problems of unplanned urbanization. when you see a city like Lagos, Yes, people might say it's a megacity owing to its sheer population, but is it more developed than Casablanca or Cape Town for example? Nope - maybe economically. That boils down to my point. The guy you're defending is saying Kenya will never catch up with Ghana because of her low urbanization rate( although, unlike Ghana where all location is inhabitable, he also forgot that 70% of Kenya is dry, and people can't afford to stay)

Check this out: Slum cities equating to organizations in Africa, the likes of Nigeria and Ghana!
New cities are springing up in Africa but so too are slums.
Slums are a natural consequence of spontaneous urbanization. In that sense, they should be considered a temporary outcome of development

Slums should be integrated in a much better manner with proper rights to housing. You cannot fight slums in an isolated manner. What you need is an integrated policy that addresses the livelihoods of people, such as employment, income, training, and human capital.

In a nutshell, If you don't have proper urban planning policies, like those in Casablanca or Capetown, or a proper financial system to manage urbanization sprawl, or basically the system to facilitate quality and proper city design, then don't come here to rant about unproductive urbanization...

all these long hogwash without any meaningful point.

Urbanization rate in this context is a country-to-country affair and not ur dumb assertion. Even ur idiotic self started with India as an example but in ur quest to score a non-existent point, u're now dabbling into city by city affair. idiot.

What u don't know is that, urbanization rate only distinguish urban and rural areas, not slums as u're trying to make it, idiot.

But I'll still give u another chance if ur fluidic brain will come up with better submission, idiot.

Shma:
Nope. Wrong analogy.... If we go with the size of slums in Km², then it will make more sense.

That is if we have to go with infrastructure dev as opposed to economic.

If 60% of a city's population lives in slums to me it points out lack of town planning development

Because that means a country did not build enough for people to flock in 1 city

Yes there may be other factors like booming population rate but planning is top

Shma:
It will be tiresome. But I will try when I get time. There is more to unpack.

You can start with your country I don't want it to be like I'm taking shots

AfriqueDuZuid:
The percentage of people living in slums should be subtracted from actual number of people living urban areas.

That's when you'll realise many countries are way back.

Take Rwanda share of people in slums is 42%
It has a urbanization rate of 12%

My take is actual urbanization rate is at 7%...

slums only appear in urban areas, not rural areas. It's a poor neighborhood in cities all over the world.

Just as SA has over 50% urbanization rate, do note that a certain percentage will live in slums, there's no two ways about it.

Shma:
Wow! Powerful submission.

But on top of everything, add manufacturing.

Thank you, my guy... Stick there.

In 2020 Ford invested $1 billion to expand in South Africa


I suppose it's not also listed

theenchanter:
slums only appear in urban areas, not rural areas. It's a poor neighborhood in cities all over the world.

Just as SA has over 50% urbanization rate, do note that a certain percentage will live in slums, there's no two ways about it.

SA had an urbanization close to 67 - 70%

Depending on the source.

I think you aware everyone in this thread very knowledgeable where slums are. Stop trying to act smart!

theenchanter:
all these long hogwash without any meaningful point.

Urbanization rate in this context is a country-to-country affair and not ur dumb assertion. Even ur idiotic self started with India as an example but in ur quest to score a non-existent point, u're now dabbling into city by city, idiot.

What u don't know is that, urbanization rate only distinguish urban and rural areas, not slums as u're tryingg to make it, idiot.

But I'll still give u another chance if ur fluidic brain will come up with better submission, idiot.

Now You've resorted to insults? Amazing! Do You understand that that is my area of specialty? Don't be an emotional punk and focus on the points.

Understand the logic my friend! Don't be like a certain zombie who always runs on a small substrata of everything and rules the whole point out.

I even underscored the aspect of inhabitable share of land; between both Kenya and the countries at hand but your puny brain is still struggling to decompound.

I repeat: don't be an emotional tw@t.

theenchanter:
slums only appear in urban areas, not rural areas. It's a poor neighborhood in cities all over the world.

Just as SA has over 50% urbanization rate, do note that a certain percentage will live in slums, there's no two ways about it.

I've seen places in Rwanda which are not in the city but are just worse as slums

AfriqueDuZuid:
SA had an urbanization close to 67 - 70%

Depending on the source.

I think you aware everyone in this thread very knowledgeable where slums are. Stop trying to act smart!

is "over 50%" a new term to u? Maybe u should spend more time in comprehension class then.

Shma:
Now You've resorted to insults? Amazing! Do You understand that that is my area of specialty? Don't be an emotional punk and focus on the points.

Understand the logic my friend! Don't be like a certain zombie who always runs on a small substrata of everything and rules the whole point out.

I even underscored the aspect of inhabitable share of land; between both Kenya and the countries at hand but your puny brain is still struggling to decompound.

I repeat: don't be an emotional tw@t.

yes, I need that insult to put u in ur proper place. U called for it with ur first line.

But u don't have sense, still.

Shma:
It will be tiresome. But I will try when I get time. There is more to unpack.

Kenya urbanization 27%...slum population 47%

Actual population in urban will 14.31%

The rest are in rural and slums 85.69%


That is my take on how I view it, yes someone may say people in rural are doing good! I say it differ from country to country.

Same goes to access to basic infrastructure it will differ from country to country

AfriqueDuZuid:
I've seen places in Rwanda which are not in the city but are just worse as slums

if it's not in the city, it's their urbanization rate will be low. But if that area is categized as a city by Rwanda, their slum rate will be higher.

It's very simple.

AfriqueDuZuid:
If 60% of a city's population lives in slums to me it points out lack of town planning development

Because that means a country did not build enough for people to flock in 1 city

Yes there may be other factors like the booming population rate but planning is top

Never try to peddle psychology stunts with me.
Don't force things that are not there. And don't force a discord between us.
You majorly focus on negativity by trying to demean other African nations... when people retaliate with the same energy, you'll start crying foul.
If negativity is something to go by, your country takes the crown. But we're always here pushing positive vibes for your country.

theenchanter:
is "over 50%" a new term to u? Maybe u should spend more time in comprehension class then.

When something is around 70% we don't say it's "over 50%"

We say it's approximately 70% or hovering below 70% or something along that description.

It's logic

stuupid maggot

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gallivant:
We were only comparing with Nigeria until small little countries joined to seek relevance. Look at the title if unsure. Nobody invited Ghanaians and Tanzanians here, infact you should go ahead and create a hobbit thread and discuss Ghana in it.

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Shma:
Never try to peddle psychology stunts with me.
Don't force things that are not there. And don't force a discord between us.
You majorly focus on negativity by trying to demean other African nations... when people retaliate with the same enegy, you'll start crying foul.

What's negative in what I wrote?

That also happens in Asia, carribean, South America not exclusive to Africa.

Even fellow Ghanaian know what I wrote is true, he's not complaining. A wholistic development is needed across the country to rid off slums, even if you house those in slums others will continue to come.

Building cities and developing other regions in the country will definitely alleviate the migration to a single place.

theenchanter:
yes, I need that insult to put u in ur proper place. U called for it with ur first line.

But u don't have sense, still.

You're yet to debunk other points I made...

@jl155. Help your dude with the analysis of what I said.

AfriqueDuZuid:
What's negative in what I wrote?

That also happens in Asia, carribean, South America not exclusive to Africa.

Even fellow Ghanaian know what I wrote is true, he's not complaining. A wholistic development is needed across the country to rid off slums, even if you house those in slums others will continue to come.

Building cities and developing other regions in the country will definitely alleviate the migration to a single place.

So you're a Ghanian? Or you just want to massage their ego?

Anyway, rest. There is no debate here.

Next time.

AfriqueDuZuid:
When something is around 70% we don't say it's "over 50%"

We say it's approximately 70% or hovering below 70% or something along that description.

It's logic

listen laaitjie, I didn't check ur urbanization rate and I didn't bother to do before I posted that..... But I know it's over 50%.

Now for learning sake, anytime u see the word "over" before a particular adjective or figure. Then the subject is more than the adjective, it could be a bit "over" or largely "over", as long as it's "over".

It's either u're brain-dead dumb or an utterly emotional schmuck for u to come up with the jargons up there.

Shma:
Never try to peddle psychology stunts with me.
Don't force things that are not there. And don't force a discord between us.
You majorly focus on negativity by trying to demean other African nations... when people retaliate with the same energy, you'll start crying foul.
If negativity is something to go by, your country takes the crown. But we're always here pushing positive vibes for your country.

Negative vibes are mostly pushed through propaganda.
Negatives are pushed for a certain purpose, also question source of negative vibes.

Again US has way more negatives, I mean the great USA had to receive aid for baby formula.

Oh well we move

Shma:
You're yet to debunk other points I made...

@jl155. Help your dude with the analysis of what I said.

there's nothing there to debunk, u only displayed ur stupidity.

The laaitjie still have an ax to grind with me, don't add ur stupidity to his burden.