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Re: I Am Not Voting Obi Again If Wike Is Vice President by Kingnelson9: 9:40am On Jun 09, 2022
FreedomDynamics:
Yes! My first calculation was to vote Obi even though I know he is not going to win as a form of protest and also washing my hands off Naija politics matter and have my conscience clear that l was not responsible for bringing in a rogue into Aso Rock.

On the emergence of Tinubu as APCs flag bearer and the antecedence of the APC, I realize a critical situation is reached and a crucial and objective decision needs to be made. We have a situation where Obi will weaken the PDP and still not win. He will not win because he is only popular amongst educated and upward thinking people who are not a quarter of the rest of the masses up north and even the south in population and a vote for Obi is only a 'statement vote'. It's important in the scheme of things but then catastrophic for the Opportunity Cost of having an APC president who fields an El Rufai for instance. This is the crux of the matter, its Tinubu or Atiku and Obi will make one win directly or indirectly.

My grouse with Atiku is not himself per se because I feel he had been labeled a thief and perceived negatively for a long time which had been his bane in becoming the president and I feel he will like to prove a lot of people wrong. It's the thieves that will follow him to Aso Rock. I feel an iron hand is needed at Aso Rock. Someone who can fire a minister on the spot, order a proper procurement process and such. No soft hand can handle Nigeria and Nigerians only someone who is stubborn and resolute!

That's where Wike comes in. Wike's strength is fearlessness, project execution, tenacity and even integrity, yes, integrity. If you studied the extent of what the Salafists, Fulani bandits, Buhari and his cabal and so on have gone into the marrow of the country, a Wike is the best man for the job. There is something about body language and persona. With his no-nonsense carriage, you want to ask who will send shivers down the spine of these guys and even the Service Chiefs, Wike or Obi? Wike had demonstrated he can take up a General if found wanting.

This is beyond sentiment and emotions. You only need Obi where the system works. With the collapsed systems and institutions we have in Nigeria coupled with gross corruption and indiscipline, I do not want to believe you want to send in someone with a soft voice holding carrots. Obasanjo even recommended a mad man. Sitting down, Obasanjo saw what our Twitter friends couldn't see from a tree top, and to hell with Wike's sins for I cannot find the perfect politician even in Obi. Obi's perfection is even his bane so long as it is Nigeria he is given as homework.

If you have a logical view, feel free to state yours based on my analysis of the matter before us all. I am not responding to emotional, tribal or religious outbursts, only logic. So be guided please. Our Elders, over to you.

Sincerely, FreedomDynamics
It will not stop us from voting PO, so you can go anywhere you choose
Re: I Am Not Voting Obi Again If Wike Is Vice President by FreedomDynamics(op): 9:44am On Jun 09, 2022
deekseen:
Going by your logic I think there's a gross misjudgment on Peter Obi's person.

I will explain it this way.. .

Who could ever think that a PYO could reshuffle his Pricincipal's cabinet or refuse endorsing some projects in his absence? As soft as he appears, he took the decision to the surprise of many.

Again, Buhari was perceived to be a tough, no-nonsense and brutal leader, given his 1984 stunts. What did we see 3 decades later?

Atiku that is widely perceived as a thief (even the most sincere individuals became corrupted by the system, ask some governors from Plateau state), was constantly a thorn in his principal's flesh, even openly kicking against his 3rd term ambition.

Using Atiku's case above, I will liken Wike to Obasanjo later.
Even though my judgment of Obi may be incorrect, my major point is he will not win. His not winning will only empower the APC at the elections. My major point is choosing between the devil and the deep blue sea. Obi should pay his dues like others and go back to PDP. He was a part of them afterall until things didn't go his way.
Re: I Am Not Voting Obi Again If Wike Is Vice President by soke02(m): 9:54am On Jun 09, 2022
Wike as vice will not be able to anything.
Re: I Am Not Voting Obi Again If Wike Is Vice President by somehow: 9:56am On Jun 09, 2022
SO fulani is no longer killing Nigerians?

The North and northerners no longer trying to fulanize/islamatize the South and Nigeria?

Atiku is suddenly now an option?

A core Fulani man with 4 wives and multiple concubines?

So Fulanis are no longer murderers and killers?
Re: I Am Not Voting Obi Again If Wike Is Vice President by deekseen(m): 10:07am On Jun 09, 2022
FreedomDynamics:
Even though my judgment of Obi may be incorrect, my major point is he will not win. His not winning will only empower the APC at the elections. My major point is choosing between the devil and the deep blue sea. Obi should pay his dues like others and go back to PDP. He was a part of them afterall until things didn't go his way.
Must it be APC or PDP? We clearly are not running a 2-party system in Nigeria.
Re: I Am Not Voting Obi Again If Wike Is Vice President by CilicMarin: 10:16am On Jun 09, 2022
Kundagarten:
I agree wholeheartedly with the @op.
Wike is a game changer. PDP would win all the SS states. Nothing for Obi.
Kindergarten analysis....no be only the SS states grin angry All these ipob yoots and emotions.

A Tinubu would win 50% of the votes in Rivers State, Delta, Bayelsa and 80% in Edo State. Bookmark this.
Re: I Am Not Voting Obi Again If Wike Is Vice President by Risentouch(m): 10:21am On Jun 09, 2022
FreedomDynamics:
Yes! My first calculation was to vote Obi even though I know he is not going to win as a form of protest and also washing my hands off Naija politics matter and have my conscience clear that l was not responsible for bringing in a rogue into Aso Rock.

On the emergence of Tinubu as APCs flag bearer and the antecedence of the APC, I realize a critical situation is reached and a crucial and objective decision needs to be made. We have a situation where Obi will weaken the PDP and still not win. He will not win because he is only popular amongst educated and upward thinking people who are not a quarter of the rest of the masses up north and even the south in population and a vote for Obi is only a 'statement vote'. It's important in the scheme of things but then catastrophic for the Opportunity Cost of having an APC president who fields an El Rufai for instance. This is the crux of the matter, its Tinubu or Atiku and Obi will make one win directly or indirectly.

My grouse with Atiku is not himself per se because I feel he had been labeled a thief and perceived negatively for a long time which had been his bane in becoming the president and I feel he will like to prove a lot of people wrong. It's the thieves that will follow him to Aso Rock. I feel an iron hand is needed at Aso Rock. Someone who can fire a minister on the spot, order a proper procurement process and such. No soft hand can handle Nigeria and Nigerians only someone who is stubborn and resolute!

That's where Wike comes in. Wike's strength is fearlessness, project execution, tenacity and even integrity, yes, integrity. If you studied the extent of what the Salafists, Fulani bandits, Buhari and his cabal and so on have gone into the marrow of the country, a Wike is the best man for the job. There is something about body language and persona. With his no-nonsense carriage, you want to ask who will send shivers down the spine of these guys and even the Service Chiefs, Wike or Obi? Wike had demonstrated he can take up a General if found wanting.

This is beyond sentiment and emotions. You only need Obi where the system works. With the collapsed systems and institutions we have in Nigeria coupled with gross corruption and indiscipline, I do not want to believe you want to send in someone with a soft voice holding carrots. Obasanjo even recommended a mad man. Sitting down, Obasanjo saw what our Twitter friends couldn't see from a tree top, and to hell with Wike's sins for I cannot find the perfect politician even in Obi. Obi's perfection is even his bane so long as it is Nigeria he is given as homework.

If you have a logical view, feel free to state yours based on my analysis of the matter before us all. I am not responding to emotional, tribal or religious outbursts, only logic. So be guided please. Our Elders, over to you.

Sincerely, FreedomDynamics
This was same reason we put Buhari there 2015 as an experienced man in the military to handle the insecurities but the reverse became the case.
Besides VP has no strong influence, even a state governor has more influence than a VP, if Wike was a deputy governor nobody will hear his name and if tries to show his head they will press it down, Let's just tell ourselves the truth.
If voting Obi is a waste of vote, I rather do that and have my conscience at rest than bringing another disaster.
Re: I Am Not Voting Obi Again If Wike Is Vice President by Risentouch(m): 10:24am On Jun 09, 2022
CilicMarin:
Kindergarten analysis....no be only the SS states grin angry All these ipob yoots and emotions.

A Tinubu would win 50% of the votes in Rivers State, Delta, Bayelsa and 80% in Edo State. Bookmark this.
You mean same Tinubu that his speech made Edo people sing "Edo no be Lagos" and re-elected Obaseki even though they no he is not performing, because they don't want to entertain Godfatherism in the state.
Re: I Am Not Voting Obi Again If Wike Is Vice President by abuwidad(m): 10:29am On Jun 09, 2022
dannyville2:
Then who are you supporting sir?
Buhari actually wanted power to shift to southeast. Nwajuiba I guess was his preferred candidate but the owners of the party (Governors) majorly from the north refused consensus and insisted on primary knowing full well the young lad had no chance. Now the permutation is simple, Tinubu will chose a more credible running mate than him from northern part who will eventually be the president.

For Atiku, he is not reckoned with in the north. 1,They perceived him as a foreigner (BANZA) 2, He can't chose a running mate from north and choosing from SS and SE will hurt him the more especially SE. And definitely he can not chose from the north.

And back to your questions of who am I supporting, my dear brother I will just sit back and watch events unfold.
Re: I Am Not Voting Obi Again If Wike Is Vice President by Risentouch(m): 10:35am On Jun 09, 2022
KanwuliaExtra:
Then you have absolutely no idea of what political structures in Nigeria are built on.

Please do some research.
Political structure you mean by the highest bidder?

No be same human beings that made APC/PDP popular will still make Obi/LP popular, and there's still 8 months plus to election and you are concluding already and besides you don't even know who OBI will pick as VP from the north.
Re: I Am Not Voting Obi Again If Wike Is Vice President by FreedomDynamics(op): 10:38am On Jun 09, 2022
Risentouch:
This was same reason we put Buhari there 2015 as an experienced man in the military to handle the insecurities but the reverse became the case.
Besides VP has no strong influence, even a state governor has more influence than a VP, if Wike was a deputy governor nobody will hear his name and if tries to show his head they will press it down, Let's just tell ourselves the truth.
If voting Obi is a waste of vote, I rather do that and have my conscience at rest than bringing another disaster.
There is a VP and the is VP. Does this mean when Obi was taken as VP, he wouldn't be influential or effective?
Re: I Am Not Voting Obi Again If Wike Is Vice President by Ofunwa111: 10:39am On Jun 09, 2022
FreedomDynamics:
Yes! My first calculation was to vote Obi even though I know he is not going to win as a form of protest and also washing my hands off Naija politics matter and have my conscience clear that l was not responsible for bringing in a rogue into Aso Rock.

On the emergence of Tinubu as APCs flag bearer and the antecedence of the APC, I realize a critical situation is reached and a crucial and objective decision needs to be made. We have a situation where Obi will weaken the PDP and still not win. He will not win because he is only popular amongst educated and upward thinking people who are not a quarter of the rest of the masses up north and even the south in population and a vote for Obi is only a 'statement vote'. It's important in the scheme of things but then catastrophic for the Opportunity Cost of having an APC president who fields an El Rufai for instance. This is the crux of the matter, its Tinubu or Atiku and Obi will make one win directly or indirectly.

My grouse with Atiku is not himself per se because I feel he had been labeled a thief and perceived negatively for a long time which had been his bane in becoming the president and I feel he will like to prove a lot of people wrong. It's the thieves that will follow him to Aso Rock. I feel an iron hand is needed at Aso Rock. Someone who can fire a minister on the spot, order a proper procurement process and such. No soft hand can handle Nigeria and Nigerians only someone who is stubborn and resolute!

That's where Wike comes in. Wike's strength is fearlessness, project execution, tenacity and even integrity, yes, integrity. If you studied the extent of what the Salafists, Fulani bandits, Buhari and his cabal and so on have gone into the marrow of the country, a Wike is the best man for the job. There is something about body language and persona. With his no-nonsense carriage, you want to ask who will send shivers down the spine of these guys and even the Service Chiefs, Wike or Obi? Wike had demonstrated he can take up a General if found wanting.

This is beyond sentiment and emotions. You only need Obi where the system works. With the collapsed systems and institutions we have in Nigeria coupled with gross corruption and indiscipline, I do not want to believe you want to send in someone with a soft voice holding carrots. Obasanjo even recommended a mad man. Sitting down, Obasanjo saw what our Twitter friends couldn't see from a tree top, and to hell with Wike's sins for I cannot find the perfect politician even in Obi. Obi's perfection is even his bane so long as it is Nigeria he is given as homework.

If you have a logical view, feel free to state yours based on my analysis of the matter before us all. I am not responding to emotional, tribal or religious outbursts, only logic. So be guided please. Our Elders, over to you.

Sincerely, FreedomDynamics
Ok. We have heard you . Vote your choice and allow us to vote ours ..
Re: I Am Not Voting Obi Again If Wike Is Vice President by FreedomDynamics(op): 10:40am On Jun 09, 2022
deekseen:
Must it be APC or PDP? We clearly are not running a 2-party system in Nigeria.
You make do with what you have and really open your eyes to not falling into temptations and traps that will see us use good intentions to hand over power to someone worse then Buhari
Re: I Am Not Voting Obi Again If Wike Is Vice President by Mchawi(f): 10:44am On Jun 09, 2022
FreedomDynamics:
Yes! My first calculation was to vote Obi even though I know he is not going to win as a form of protest and also washing my hands off Naija politics matter and have my conscience clear that l was not responsible for bringing in a rogue into Aso Rock.

On the emergence of Tinubu as APCs flag bearer and the antecedence of the APC, I realize a critical situation is reached and a crucial and objective decision needs to be made. We have a situation where Obi will weaken the PDP and still not win. He will not win because he is only popular amongst educated and upward thinking people who are not a quarter of the rest of the masses up north and even the south in population and a vote for Obi is only a 'statement vote'. It's important in the scheme of things but then catastrophic for the Opportunity Cost of having an APC president who fields an El Rufai for instance. This is the crux of the matter, its Tinubu or Atiku and Obi will make one win directly or indirectly.

My grouse with Atiku is not himself per se because I feel he had been labeled a thief and perceived negatively for a long time which had been his bane in becoming the president and I feel he will like to prove a lot of people wrong. It's the thieves that will follow him to Aso Rock. I feel an iron hand is needed at Aso Rock. Someone who can fire a minister on the spot, order a proper procurement process and such. No soft hand can handle Nigeria and Nigerians only someone who is stubborn and resolute!

That's where Wike comes in. Wike's strength is fearlessness, project execution, tenacity and even integrity, yes, integrity. If you studied the extent of what the Salafists, Fulani bandits, Buhari and his cabal and so on have gone into the marrow of the country, a Wike is the best man for the job. There is something about body language and persona. With his no-nonsense carriage, you want to ask who will send shivers down the spine of these guys and even the Service Chiefs, Wike or Obi? Wike had demonstrated he can take up a General if found wanting.

This is beyond sentiment and emotions. You only need Obi where the system works. With the collapsed systems and institutions we have in Nigeria coupled with gross corruption and indiscipline, I do not want to believe you want to send in someone with a soft voice holding carrots. Obasanjo even recommended a mad man. Sitting down, Obasanjo saw what our Twitter friends couldn't see from a tree top, and to hell with Wike's sins for I cannot find the perfect politician even in Obi. Obi's perfection is even his bane so long as it is Nigeria he is given as homework.

If you have a logical view, feel free to state yours based on my analysis of the matter before us all. I am not responding to emotional, tribal or religious outbursts, only logic. So be guided please. Our Elders, over to you.

Sincerely, FreedomDynamics
You have just one vote. You won't be missed
Re: I Am Not Voting Obi Again If Wike Is Vice President by FreedomDynamics(op): 10:45am On Jun 09, 2022
Ofunwa111:
Ok. We have heard you . Vote your choice and allow us to vote ours ..
You sounded like it was said that someone will follow you around at the election ground and force you to vote for someone other than your choice.
Re: I Am Not Voting Obi Again If Wike Is Vice President by Risentouch(m): 11:02am On Jun 09, 2022
FreedomDynamics:
There is a VP and the is VP. Does this mean when Obi was taken as VP, he wouldn't be influential or effective?
You are changing the topic.
Besides tell me the influence of Osibanjo in national decision making.
Re: I Am Not Voting Obi Again If Wike Is Vice President by Nobody: 11:04am On Jun 09, 2022
FreedomDynamics:
Yes! My first calculation was to vote Obi even though I know he is not going to win as a form of protest and also washing my hands off Naija politics matter and have my conscience clear that l was not responsible for bringing in a rogue into Aso Rock.

On the emergence of Tinubu as APCs flag bearer and the antecedence of the APC, I realize a critical situation is reached and a crucial and objective decision needs to be made. We have a situation where Obi will weaken the PDP and still not win. He will not win because he is only popular amongst educated and upward thinking people who are not a quarter of the rest of the masses up north and even the south in population and a vote for Obi is only a 'statement vote'. It's important in the scheme of things but then catastrophic for the Opportunity Cost of having an APC president who fields an El Rufai for instance. This is the crux of the matter, its Tinubu or Atiku and Obi will make one win directly or indirectly.

My grouse with Atiku is not himself per se because I feel he had been labeled a thief and perceived negatively for a long time which had been his bane in becoming the president and I feel he will like to prove a lot of people wrong. It's the thieves that will follow him to Aso Rock. I feel an iron hand is needed at Aso Rock. Someone who can fire a minister on the spot, order a proper procurement process and such. No soft hand can handle Nigeria and Nigerians only someone who is stubborn and resolute!

That's where Wike comes in. Wike's strength is fearlessness, project execution, tenacity and even integrity, yes, integrity. If you studied the extent of what the Salafists, Fulani bandits, Buhari and his cabal and so on have gone into the marrow of the country, a Wike is the best man for the job. There is something about body language and persona. With his no-nonsense carriage, you want to ask who will send shivers down the spine of these guys and even the Service Chiefs, Wike or Obi? Wike had demonstrated he can take up a General if found wanting.

This is beyond sentiment and emotions. You only need Obi where the system works. With the collapsed systems and institutions we have in Nigeria coupled with gross corruption and indiscipline, I do not want to believe you want to send in someone with a soft voice holding carrots. Obasanjo even recommended a mad man. Sitting down, Obasanjo saw what our Twitter friends couldn't see from a tree top, and to hell with Wike's sins for I cannot find the perfect politician even in Obi. Obi's perfection is even his bane so long as it is Nigeria he is given as homework.

If you have a logical view, feel free to state yours based on my analysis of the matter before us all. I am not responding to emotional, tribal or religious outbursts, only logic. So be guided please. Our Elders, over to you.

Sincerely, FreedomDynamics
Your opinion but it's flawed. Firstly, vice Presidents can't effect any change and are always at the mercy of their principal. The moment Wike tries to punch above his weight, he would be sidelined and made irrelevant in the scheme of things.

Wike has no base that would act as pressure groups should he be intimidated and that would make it easy for him to be silenced easily.

You're right when you said that most of Peter Obi's supporters are the elite/educated class but wrong when you underestimate their influence. That demography controls the social media with vast number of followers who see their wish as their own command! Also, they're relatively rich and influential in real life. They're the business owners, philanthropists and bread winners and thus are often able to influence the thought process of their employees, family members, kinsmen, church/mosque members, friends etc. They've started pushing people to get their PVC and are already telling them to get prepared to vote Obi on election day.

Peter Obi is more of a threat to Tinubu than even Atiku depending on how you view it. Most of Obi's supporters are from South, particularly SE, SS and Lagos/Abuja. Atiku is from North, so if he can't get enough votes NE and NW to give himself a serious advantage then he deserves to fail.

Lastly, most of those currently supporting Obi passionately are those who had already given up on Nigeria. Most of them don't even participate in elections because they see it as useless when they would still be forced to choose between demon and dragon. Therefore, if it becomes a contest between Tinubu and Atiku alone, they would simply return to their cocoons.

The fact you choose to support Atiku if he uses Wike as Vice shows you were never a passionate supporter of Peter Obi.
Re: I Am Not Voting Obi Again If Wike Is Vice President by richie3384: 11:05am On Jun 09, 2022
Mossadd:
Whether anybody like it or not the truth remain obi is a good candidate but it's a stupid hope to think obi can come second under Labour Party even if the entire South East and South south vote for him he will not win the general election though I hate Tinubu and I dont support Atiku but Atiku look more healthy than the man of the pee poo and I dont think I can ever forgive Tinubu for bringing this disaster called buhari upon Nigeria in 2015 Atiku seems to know what is he going there to do while the only reason Tinubu has been telling us is that he want to be Nigeria president because its his turn as if Nigeria presidency is his father's inheritance
This is beautiful. It's time we tell ourselves the truth. The north is not enlightened enough to vote peter Obi. We all want him to win because he can fix Nigeria, but he can't do much as VP. It will just be the same as PMB/pyo. But with Peter obi as either president or minister, we can feel his effect from there. I believe Atiku will open a ministerial position for him. if obi is made finance minister under Atiku then it means Atiku is serious to work Nigeria for good. Then we can fully vote Atiku. Even though we have always known that Atiku is better than Tinubu; business wise Atiku is better, security nko...I am not to sure. Perhaps Tinubu may be better in security. I have a lot against Tinubu.

From Tinubu talking about improving the reward system in APC fully shows he has sold out Nigeria at any price just to be President. He did it before by installing PMB and he's doing it again now by buying the northern APC governors n bigwigs to stand by him. His supporters won't see this but Nigeria is already finished under him in this primaries before he is even president. No technocrats but promises and reward systems to the APC north just to be president. This means all critical positions have been hijacked by godfathers for him to emerge as presidential candidate. Health wise too he is not. All these make Atiku more suitable for Nigeria.

Once Atiku is ready to put peter obi in charge of finance (but how can we know this) then he have my vote and more votes will come to him by reaching out to Peter obi supporters. Indeed let's agree on something, peter has followers and Atiku needs them(us) but he should be logical and be advised to reach out to Obi. He won last election with obi, this is massive southern support. He should be advised to gather Obi followers so that he can beat Tinubu with clear margin. agberos will want to scatter election in the south so their boss can win.

Wike as VP is ok because he will really fight for this election. That guy is strong, he really gave Atiku a run for his money. But When in aso rock I hope they can work together; perhaps cos wike will want Atiku blessings so he can succeed him.
Re: I Am Not Voting Obi Again If Wike Is Vice President by FreedomDynamics(op): 11:08am On Jun 09, 2022
Risentouch:
You are changing the topic.
Besides, tell me the influence of Osibanjo in national decision making.
what I was saying is Osinbajo is Osinbajo while Wike is Wike. Osinbajo was placed there by Tinubu who happens to be the influence...keyword is what? "Influence".

Now let's say Wike becomes VP, Wike comes as THE "influence" because he is influential and consequential to Atiku becoming President. He can address powerful politicians and they will listen, unlike Osinbajo who was merely picked and functions as a 'place-holder' for Tinubu.

By this, you can already see what kind of VP Wike is going to be.
Re: I Am Not Voting Obi Again If Wike Is Vice President by NuclearReactor: 11:10am On Jun 09, 2022
CilicMarin:
Kindergarten analysis....no be only the SS states grin angry All these ipob yoots and emotions.

A Tinubu would win 50% of the votes in Rivers State, Delta, Bayelsa and 80% in Edo State. Bookmark this.
Tinubu would win 50% in rivers, bayelsa and deltahuh Lol, nothing persin no go read for nairaland, everybody don turn to political analyst undecided
Re: I Am Not Voting Obi Again If Wike Is Vice President by richie3384: 11:13am On Jun 09, 2022
Assetinvestor:
Your opinion but it's flawed. Firstly, vice Presidents can't effect any change and are always at the mercy of their principal. The moment Wike tries to punch above his weight, he would be sidelined and made irrelevant in the scheme of things.

Wike has no base that would act as pressure groups should he be intimidated and that would make it easy for him to be silenced easily.

The fact you choose to support Atiku if he uses Wike as Vice shows you were never a passionate supporter of Peter Obi.
Don't underestimate wike. It's better u reward him with the VP post for him to fight proper in this election. That guy can take on APC. We need him. Yes we love peter but let's face it, in the current scheme of things, can peter win this election?
Re: I Am Not Voting Obi Again If Wike Is Vice President by docikenna: 11:15am On Jun 09, 2022
FreedomDynamics:
If Obi has the country at heart, I will advise he even rejoin the PDP and drop his ambition. Crazy at it sounds, he would have stirred the causative forces in his favor for now and the future. The others have been trying years ahead of him and have invested more than him. Life rewards your efforts and actions, not your wishes.

This is if tribalism and hunger for power is not his motivation because he can still work the good work in the PDP after all, he was in the PDP and he didn't see the "corruption" until when things didn't go his way. The Labour Party too is still grappling with a corruption case in court so what's the excuse?

I guess he won't because he feels until he is president, that's when he will work the good work, but is that true? that every Nigerian must be president in order to play their role in salvaging the country? I sense a hunger for power here.
stupid post
Re: I Am Not Voting Obi Again If Wike Is Vice President by richie3384: 11:16am On Jun 09, 2022
FreedomDynamics:
Yes! My first calculation was to vote Obi even though I know he is not going to win as a form of protest and also washing my hands off Naija politics matter and have my conscience clear that l was not responsible for bringing in a rogue into Aso Rock..

If you have a logical view, feel free to state yours based on my analysis of the matter before us all. I am not responding to emotional, tribal or religious outbursts, only logic. So be guided please. Our Elders, over to you.

Sincerely, FreedomDynamics
This is beautiful. It's time we tell ourselves the truth. The north is not enlightened enough to vote peter Obi. We all want him to win because he can fix Nigeria, but he can't do much as VP. It will just be the same as PMB/pyo. But with Peter obi as either president or minister, we can feel his effect from there. I believe Atiku will open a ministerial position for him. if obi is made finance minister under Atiku then it means Atiku is serious to work Nigeria for good. Then we can fully vote Atiku. Even though we have always known that Atiku is better than Tinubu; business wise Atiku is better, security nko...I am not to sure. Perhaps Tinubu may be better in security. I have a lot against Tinubu.

From Tinubu talking about improving the reward system in APC fully shows he has sold out Nigeria at any price just to be President. He did it before by installing PMB and he's doing it again now by buying the northern APC governors n bigwigs to stand by him. His supporters won't see this but Nigeria is already finished under him before he is even president. No technocrats but promises and reward systems to the APC north just to be president. This means all critical positions have been hijacked by godfathers for him to emerge as presidential candidate. Health wise too he is not. All these make Atiku more suitable for Nigeria.

Once Atiku is ready to put peter obi in charge of finance (but how can we know this) then he have my vote and more votes will come to him by reaching out to Peter obi supporters. Indeed let's agree on something, peter has followers and Atiku needs them(us) but he should be logical and be advised to reach out to Obi. He won last election with obi, this is massive southern support. He should be advised to gather Obi followers so that he can beat Tinubu with clear margin. agberos will want to scatter election in the south so their boss can win.

Wike as VP is ok because he will really fight for this election. That guy is strong, he really gave Atiku a run for his money. But When in aso rock I hope they can work together; perhaps cos wike will want Atiku blessings so he can succeed him.
Re: I Am Not Voting Obi Again If Wike Is Vice President by Connected1: 11:21am On Jun 09, 2022
You could have simply said you will vote him because he's your brother.

Stop trying to prove a useless point.
Re: I Am Not Voting Obi Again If Wike Is Vice President by richie3384: 11:21am On Jun 09, 2022
@freedomdynamics, obi is not power hungry. Take time and listen to the man. But being president is where we can fully feel his effects.
Re: I Am Not Voting Obi Again If Wike Is Vice President by 989900: 11:23am On Jun 09, 2022
The thinking of supposedly educated Nigerians sometimes . . . to each his own.

Peter Obi for President all day, everyday!
Re: I Am Not Voting Obi Again If Wike Is Vice President by Lawalatm: 11:24am On Jun 09, 2022
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Re: I Am Not Voting Obi Again If Wike Is Vice President by FreedomDynamics(op): 11:24am On Jun 09, 2022
Assetinvestor:
Your opinion but it's flawed. Firstly, vice Presidents can't effect any change and are always at the mercy of their principal. The moment Wike tries to punch above his weight, he would be sidelined and made irrelevant in the scheme of things.

Wike has no base that would act as pressure groups should he be intimidated and that would make it easy for him to be silenced easily.
You almost immediately shot yourself on the foot by the boldened. Wike is pressure itself. He fought the FG, Buhari, the Army the police etc. A lot of politicians are indebted to him

You're right when you said that most of Peter Obi's supporters are the elite/educated class but wrong when you underestimate their influence. That demography controls the social media with vast number of followers who see their wish as their own command! Also, they're relatively rich and influential in real life. They're the business owners, philanthropists and bread winners and thus are often able to influence the thought process of their employees, family members, kinsmen, church/mosque members, friends etc. They've started pushing people to get their PVC and are already telling them to get prepared to vote Obi on election day.
Honestly, you need to objectively consider that statement by El Rufais sone were he mentioned a Local government in Kano may produce all the vote in the SE. That may not be true, but that's how the elite/educated compare in voting power to the 'masses'. I was miffed to see people rejoicing during the APC convention after seeing how Tinubu'shands were shaking.

Peter Obi is more of a threat to Tinubu than even Atiku depending on how you view it. Most of Obi's supporters are from South, particularly SE, SS and Lagos/Abuja. Atiku is from North, so if he can't get enough votes NE and NW to give himself a serious advantage then he deserves to fail.
You underestimate Tinubu. The North will vote him at the click of Buhari's finger which had already happened. When it comes to religion, he has reasons to be voted by both Christians and Muslims. He also has the rationality of power shift from north to south backing him. I do not want to mention tribe.

Lastly, most of those currently supporting Obi passionately are those who had already given up on Nigeria. Most of them don't even participate in elections because they see it as useless when they would still be forced to choose between demon and dragon. Therefore, if it becomes a contest between Tinubu and Atiku alone, they would simply return to their cocoons.

The fact you choose to support Atiku if he uses Wike as Vice shows you were never a passionate supporter of Peter Obi.
I am not a passionate supporter of Obi because emotions hardly form a reliable motivation for action. I am being pragmatic and objective. I know Obi will not have an audience to the majority in view of several factors. Do you know why most Nigerians excel the moment they leave the country? It's because the country is not compatible.

Going with passion and emotion over objectivity is folly indeed. It is folly also to empower Tinubu over Atiku which Obi had been part of all the while until things didn't go his way.
Re: I Am Not Voting Obi Again If Wike Is Vice President by Kundagarten: 11:29am On Jun 09, 2022
duro4chang:
If that is the case a vote for any of them is a waste. South south and south east is just 1/3 of Nigeria
Why is it a waste? Add it to the votes Atiku will get in the North.
Re: I Am Not Voting Obi Again If Wike Is Vice President by FreedomDynamics(op): 11:31am On Jun 09, 2022
richie3384:
@freedomdynamics, obi is not power hungry. Take time and listen to the man. But being president is where we can fully feel his effects.
He will be patient if he is not power-hungry. Atiku and Obi won the general elections earlier. They were robbed of this but Atiku called for calm. Goodluck Jonathan further did this too. Patience and selflessness, and integrity. Look at how Wike behaved despite his financial loss and betrayal by someone he supported and trusted.

I am sure someone else will call for his supporters to rebel and scatter the whole PDP. Obi going to LP knowing he is not winning if you must know is to just to punish PDP and nothing more. He wants to be the spoiler factor. It's like sleeping with your girlfriend's friend for cheating on you.
Re: I Am Not Voting Obi Again If Wike Is Vice President by Kundagarten: 11:35am On Jun 09, 2022
CilicMarin:
Kindergarten analysis....no be only the SS states grin angry All these ipob yoots and emotions.

A Tinubu would win 50% of the votes in Rivers State, Delta, Bayelsa and 80% in Edo State. Bookmark this.
Tinubu would win 50% of votes in Rivers with Wike on the ballot? What are you smoking?
Tinubu would do well among the Itsekiri in Delta because of his wife. Last time I checked PDP is still the party to beat in Bayelsa. The only place Tinubu will do well in the SS is Edo. Edo central is traditionally PDP and would remain so considering they're next in line to produce gov of Edo state.
With Atiku winning the North, there's no possible way APC would win 2023 elections.
Re: I Am Not Voting Obi Again If Wike Is Vice President by NuclearReactor: 11:50am On Jun 09, 2022
Kundagarten:
Tinubu would win 50% of votes in Rivers with Wike on the ballot? What are you smoking?
Tinubu would do well among the Itsekiri in Delta because of his wife. Last time I checked PDP is still the party to beat in Bayelsa. The only place Tinubu will do well in the SS is Edo. Edo central is traditionally PDP and would remain so considering they're next in line to produce gov of Edo state.
With Atiku winning the North, there's no possible way APC would win 2023 elections.
My brother, the matter reach to know wetin that guy smoke, everybody is now a self aclaimed political analyst on nairaland, dishing out senseless analysis undecided
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