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williams2kg:
Pls, I need an urgent answer to this question you you have it.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVXKc7caCis

The major thing that Christians need to correct is the ideology that the people of God are not tested by pains, challenges suffering etc. Just like all humans, they all face that challenge else, how will they be able to invite people to the right path if they can not understand.


While Jesus AS is a respected prophet amongst the Muslim, the claim that you save the one you care about the most is funny because while a human being is been led by sentiments and emotions, God is not carried away by such. He has already planned everything and everything will go according to his plan.

Secondly, apart from the prophet PBUH another companion that ate from the poisoned meat died instantly because of the potency of the poison but the prophet lived for years after eating from the poisoned meat before he died.

The bottom line is that no one dies before his appointed time and no one lives beyond his appointed. When a prophets mission on earth is complete, then obviously it means it is time for him to leave.

This kind of question coming from someone who believes that Jesus was whipped and crucified in his youthful age makes it a funny one. Is this a joke or what?

The major problem with Christian that think there is a point for debate with this kind of issues is that they ignorantly believe that it is only people who are lost that face hardship, trials and suffering and righteous people live without stress, hardship and worry.

I am sure you know that of all creatures of God, the most rebellious is Satan and he is already and will live a long life on this earth. Longer than me, you or anyone.

MaxInDHouse:
Of course death is upon all humans for now but never has all the sons of God's prophet died just like that. So Muhammad is not a prophet of that same God!

Where is the law which state when a prophet son dies he cease to be a prophet?

The Quran also states

And We will surely test you with something of fear and hunger and a loss of wealth and lives and fruits, but give good tidings to the patient, (2:155)

"Who, when disaster strikes them, say, Indeed we belong to Allah, and indeed to Him we will return."
(QS. Al-Baqara 2: Verse 156)


Imagine muhammads son's died yet he still has over 1.8 billions followers today who love him dearly even more than their biological father and are even ready to die for him what blessing his greater than this..

Someone also made jest of Muhammad just like you let us see those who will remember you personally over 1500 yrs after you probably die and this was the reply of Allah..

Allah says
Suratul kawthar
Indeed, We have granted you, [O Muhammad], al-Kawthar (Abundance).
So pray to your Lord and sacrifice [to Him alone].
Indeed, your enemy is the one cut off



This Surah, the shortest Surah of Quran was revealed after a cursed uncle of the prophet mocked him because he did not have a son alive. He mocked him and told him that Mohammad would not have any descendants whereas he had many.

That man left no descendants. All his children died shortly after.

haekymbahd:
Where is the law which state when a prophet son dies he cease to be a prophet?

The Quran also states

And We will surely test you with something of fear and hunger and a loss of wealth and lives and fruits, but give good tidings to the patient, (2:155)

"Who, when disaster strikes them, say, Indeed we belong to Allah, and indeed to Him we will return."
(QS. Al-Baqara 2: Verse 156)


Imagine muhammads son's died yet he still has over 1.8 billions followers today who love him dearly even more than their biological father and are even ready to die for him what blessing his greater than this..

Someone also made jest of Muhammad just like you let us see those who will remember you personally over 1500 yrs after you probably die and this was the reply of Allah..

Allah says
Suratul kawthar
Indeed, We have granted you, [O Muhammad], al-Kawthar (Abundance).
So pray to your Lord and sacrifice [to Him alone].
Indeed, your enemy is the one cut off



This Surah, the shortest Surah of Quran was revealed after a cursed uncle of the prophet mocked him because he did not have a son alive. He mocked him and told him that Mohammad would not have any descendants whereas he had many.

That man left no descendants. All his children died shortly after.

Going by what happened he was never a prophet of the same God who promised to preserve Abraham's descendants!

MaxInDHouse:
Going by what happened he was never a prophet of the same God who promised to preserve Abraham's descendants!

so where are the Abraham descendant now where is Isaac, Jacob, David, Moses e.t.c that was preserved...

According to the Quran Muhammad would be the last prophet to come.

Allah SWT said:

"Muhammad is not the father of [any] one of your men, but [he is] the Messenger of Allah and last of the prophets. And ever is Allah, of all things, Knowing."
(QS. Al-Ahzaab 33: Verse 40)


From the verse it was clear why Muhammad never needed a direct offspring since no prophet will come after him...

haekymbahd:
so where are the Abraham descendant now where is Isaac, Jacob, David, Moses e.t.c that was preserved...
According to the Quran Muhammad would be the last prophet to come.

Isaac and Ishmael buried Abraham, Jacob and Esau buried Isaac, the Israelites buried Jacob (Israel) and it goes on and on. But none of Muhammad's Sons was alive the day he died.

I don't see any difference between this Arabian and Guru Maharaji in Ìbàdàn.
If no son survived him then he couldn't have been a prophet of the God of Abraham!

haekymbahd:
Allah SWT said:
"Muhammad is not the father of [any] one of your men, but [he is] the Messenger of Allah and last of the prophets. And ever is Allah, of all things, Knowing."
(QS. Al-Ahzaab 33: Verse 40)

From the verse it was clear why Muhammad never needed a direct offspring since no prophet will come after him...

He never came from the same lineage so whether he had children or not it has nothing to do with what the God of Abraham promised!

MaxInDHouse:
Isaac and Ishmael buried Abraham, Jacob and Esau buried Isaac, the Israelites buried Jacob (Israel) and it goes on and on. But none of Muhammad's Sons was alive the day he died.

I don't see any difference between this Arabian and Guru Maharaji in Ìbàdàn.
If no son survived him then he couldn't have been a prophet of the God of Abraham!

Going by your logic tell us the sons that survived Jesus since he is also a descendant of Abraham

haekymbahd:
Going by your logic tell us the sons that survived Jesus since he is also a descendant of Abraham

He never got married otherwise nothing could kill the child of a prophet who resurrected those that died in his presence.
Muhammad buried his own sons Jesus raised a friend who has died and buried four days!
Sorry if you accept Muhammad as a prophet i'm not disputing that but definitely he's not a prophet of the same God of Abraham!

haekymbahd:
so where are the Abraham descendant now where is Isaac, Jacob, David, Moses e.t.c that was preserved...
According to the Quran Muhammad would be the last prophet to come.
Allah SWT said:
"Muhammad is not the father of [any] one of your men, but [he is] the Messenger of Allah and last of the prophets. And ever is Allah, of all things, Knowing."
(QS. Al-Ahzaab 33: Verse 40)

From the verse it was clear why Muhammad never needed a direct offspring since no prophet will come after him...

Mohammed didn't need to be childless before he become the last prophet.

You also don't need to have a father that's a prophet before the prophethood is passed to you and then you become a prophet. God can choose anyone to be his prophet.

Also every prophet of the Hebrew had a wife and had male kids. Prophethood is not like kingship or political position that could be passed from father to son.

cornelboy:
Mohammed didn't need to be childless before he become the last prophet.

You also don't need to have a father that's a prophet before the prophethood is passed to you and then you become a prophet. God can choose anyone to be his prophet.

Also every prophet of the Hebrew had a wife and had male kids. Prophethood is not like kingship or political position that could be passed from father to son.

Their religion has nothing to offer so they keep running round the circus to look for anything in the Bible to support their religion but by the end they still want to condemn the Bible for their book!

alfarouq:
Christians often ask what miracles the prophet Muhammad performed; many of them even make the claim that the Quran and the hadiths record no miracles done by the prophet. However so, it seems that I am reading a different Quran and hadith then, because you would have to be blind, or a big liar to claim that there are no recorded miracles of the prophet found in Islamic sources.

, and then when I show you the miracles you say ‘oh well those sources are forged and lies’. You can’t have it both ways, you say the prophet Muhammad performed no miracles according to Islam, I shall show you that this claim is FALSE.

Unfortunately, Muslims lie without shame even against their God Allah.

1. If Christians quote these same hadiths to you, you will claim that the hadiths are not Sahih: yet you expect that we treat any hadith you throw out as authentic!

Should Christians believe all hadiths?

2. Allah explicitly said in the Qur'an that no miracle was given to Mohammed except the Qur'an.
So, who is wrong and who is right between Muslims and Allah?

Qur'an 6:37
And they say: 'Why has no miraculous sign been sent down to him from his Lord?' Say: 'Surely Allah has the power to send down a sign, but most of them do not know.


Qur'an 13:7
The unbelievers say, 'Why has a miracles (ayatun) not been sent down upon him from his Lord?' Thou art ONLY a warner, and a guide to every people.

Qur'an 17:59
Naught prevented Us from sending the signs (bial-ayati) but that the ancients cried lies to them; and We brought Thamood the She-camel visible, but they did her wrong. And We do not send the signs, except to frighten.




Please , if Allah himself claim NOT to give Mohammed any miracles, where did he get the power to do the miracles attested to him in the hadiths?

Secondly, the only miracle Allah said he would give are the ones that frighten people: Which of the miracles of Mohammed frighten anyone?


Thank you for reading!

cornelboy:
Mohammed didn't need to be childless before he become the last prophet.

You also don't need to have a father that's a prophet before the prophethood is passed to you and then you become a prophet. God can choose anyone to be his prophet.

Also every prophet of the Hebrew had a wife and had male kids. Prophethood is not like kingship or political position that could be passed from father to son.

show us the law which state that a prophet son can't die?

TenQ:
Unfortunately, Muslims lie without shame even against their God Allah.

1. If Christians quote these same hadiths to you, you will claim that the hadiths are not Sahih: yet you expect that we treat any hadith you throw out as authentic!

Should Christians believe all hadiths?

2. Allah explicitly said in the Qur'an that no miracle was given to Mohammed except the Qur'an.
So, who is wrong and who is right between Muslims and Allah?

Qur'an 6:37
And they say: 'Why has no miraculous sign been sent down to him from his Lord?' Say: 'Surely Allah has the power to send down a sign, but most of them do not know.


Qur'an 13:7
The unbelievers say, 'Why has a miracles (ayatun) not been sent down upon him from his Lord?' Thou art ONLY a warner, and a guide to every people.

Qur'an 17:59
Naught prevented Us from sending the signs (bial-ayati) but that the ancients cried lies to them; and We brought Thamood the She-camel visible, but they did her wrong. And We do not send the signs, except to frighten.




Please , if Allah himself claim NOT to give Mohammed any miracles, where did he get the power to do the miracles attested to him in the hadiths?

Secondly, the only miracle Allah said he would give are the ones that frighten people: Which of the miracles of Mohammed frighten anyone?


Thank you for reading!

Luke 11
29Now as the crowds were [increasingly] thronging Him, He began to say, [b]This present generation is a wicked one; it seeks and demands a sign (miracle), but no sign shall be given to it except the sign of Jonah [the prophet].


Please kindly explain this verse does it mean Jesus never performed any miracle apart from the sign of Jonah and the bible lied?

MaxInDHouse:
He never got married otherwise nothing could kill the child of a prophet who resurrected those that died in his presence.
Muhammad buried his own sons Jesus raised a friend who has died and buried four days!
Sorry if you accept Muhammad as a prophet i'm not disputing that but definitely he's not a prophet of the same God of Abraham!

atleast according to the bible Jesus died before he ressurected please which of his children buried him?

Is Isaiah 53 not talking about Jesus again

Isaiah 53 vs 11
King James Bible
Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand.



Who is/are the seed/offspring of Jesus did Jesus see his seed Yes or No?


Show the law which state the son of a prophet can't die?

haekymbahd:
show us the law which state that a prophet son can't die?

My point is that Mohammed's son's death is not a proof that he was the last prophet.

Actually the Ahmadiyya Muslims claim that their leader Ahmad was the last prophet after Mohammed based on some verse in the Qur'an that says another prophet named Ahmad will come.

haekymbahd:
atleast according to the bible Jesus died before he ressurected please which of his children buried him?
Is Isaiah 53 not talking about Jesus again
Isaiah 53 vs 11
King James Bible
Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand.

This Bible verse surely talks of Jesus Christ but when you read the Bible why not ask us to teach you instead of using what your prophet told you to judge?
OK the part you quoted states:
"He shall see his SEED"
Jesus himself explained how this will work at chapter 15 of the account of John. There Jesus explained that God is the cultivator of a tree which happens to be himself, his apostles are the branches of the tree and the continuous disciples made through this group serves as FRUIT or SEED of that arrangement.
Jesus taught his own disciples that marriage is not compulsory {Matt 19:12} so it's not only through birth that they can have children (seed) which means through preaching and teaching they can make children and families, which could be from any nation where they preach. For your information that's why JWs don't go to wars because we must not kill our families in the Faith!
On the other hand Muhammad insisted that married is compulsory yet he himself had nothing to show for his marriage other than burying all his sons! And to make things worse he taught you to fight for your country so as a Muslim in one country the only thing that unite you with a Muslim in another country is that black stone in Mecca apart from that you can kill your fellow believers due to racism and politics!
So where is the wisdom in what Muhammad taught you people? If you can kill the children of another Muslim just as he also can kill yours during wars of what sense is you bowing towards the stone? Matthew 7:16-18

Who is/are the seed/offspring of Jesus did Jesus see his seed Yes or No?

The last day Jesus spent on earth he spoke to 500 apart from the apostles {1Corinthians 15:6} and going by what the Bible means by "SEED" we can say YES! Jesus saw the SEED products of his earthly ministry!

Show the law which state the son of a prophet can't die?

God never promised that a prophet can't loose a son but what we're saying is that not all his sons will die so that none is left to bury him.
If Muhammad got married to several women, had sons through his marriage but none survived him then i for my part see no reason why anyone would count him as a prophet of the God of Abraham who is loyal to those who are loyal to him! Exodus 34:6

alfarouq,
Islam SPEAKS FROM BOTH SIDES OF THE MOUTH!

haekymbahd:
Luke 11
29Now as the crowds were [increasingly] thronging Him, He began to say, [b]This present generation is a wicked one; it seeks and demands a sign (miracle), but no sign shall be given to it except the sign of Jonah [the prophet].


Please kindly explain this verse does it mean Jesus never performed any miracle apart from the sign of Jonah and the bible lied?

First, the scripture you quoted has nothing to do with Jesus's excuses for his inability to perform miracles.

Secondly, the statement was a one-off statement and Jesus gave them what to expect: a resurrection from the dead.

Now, According to the Qur'an, did Jesus perform several miracles?
According to the Qur'an did Mohammed Perform any miracles?

Qur'an 29:50
"And they say, why are not signs, miracles, send down to him, to Mohammed, from his lord?" Say, "Oh, Mohammed, the signs are only with Allah, and I am only a plain warner."

Mohammed says that he is not a miracle worker he is just a plain Warner!

No wonder Mohammed is a prophet like Moses!

Muslims have now gone off at tangent to deny Allah and call him a liar!

TenQ:
First, the scripture you quoted has nothing to do with Jesus's excuses for his inability to perform miracles.

Secondly, the statement was a one-off statement and Jesus gave them what to expect: a resurrection from the dead.

Now, According to the Qur'an, did Jesus perform several miracles?
According to the Qur'an did Mohammed Perform any miracles?

Qur'an 29:50
"And they say, why are not signs, miracles, send down to him, to Mohammed, from his lord?" Say, "Oh, Mohammed, the signs are only with Allah, and I am only a plain warner."

Mohammed says that he is not a miracle worker he is just a plain Warner!

No wonder Mohammed is a prophet like Moses

Muslims have now gone off at tangent to deny Allah and call him a liar!

Apart from Jesus of Nazareth Moses is the greatest miracle worker throughout the Bible so he's not in any way like Muhammad who never performed a single sign!

MaxInDHouse:
Apart from Jesus of Nazareth Moses is the greatest miracle worker throughout the Bible so he's not in any way like Muhammad who never performed a single sign!

Moslems want to Believe that Mohammed is LIKE Moses so that they can say that the scripture Deut18:15 refers to Mohammed

Deu 18:15: "The LORD your God will raise up to you a Prophet from the middle of you, of your brothers, like to me; to him you shall listen;"

They forget that the scripture spoke of the fulfillment in Acts3:22-26

Acts 3:22-26:
"For Moses truly said to the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up to you of your brothers, like to me; him shall you hear in all things whatever he shall say to you. And it shall come to pass, that every soul, which will not hear that prophet, shall be destroyed from among the people. Yes, and all the prophets from Samuel and those that follow after, as many as have spoken, have likewise foretold of these days. You are the children of the prophets, and of the covenant which God made with our fathers, saying to Abraham, And in your seed shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed. To you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities."

TenQ:
Moslems want to Believe that Mohammed is LIKE Moses so that they can say that the scripture Deut18:15 refers to Mohammed

Deu 18:15: "The LORD your God will raise up to you a Prophet from the middle of you, of your brothers, like to me; to him you shall listen;"

They forget that the scripture spoke of the fulfillment in Acts3:22-26

Acts 3:22-26:
"For Moses truly said to the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up to you of your brothers, like to me; him shall you hear in all things whatever he shall say to you. And it shall come to pass, that every soul, which will not hear that prophet, shall be destroyed from among the people. Yes, and all the prophets from Samuel and those that follow after, as many as have spoken, have likewise foretold of these days. You are the children of the prophets, and of the covenant which God made with our fathers, saying to Abraham, And in your seed shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed. To you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities."

Islam came through Muhammad a supposed descendant of Ishmael. If the Israelites are to think of any race call BROTHER it's only within the twelve tribes of Israel. But let's assume they want to look outside Israel the nearest related nation is Edom the descendants of Esau (Jacob's twin brother)
So Ishmael is far far distant relation of the Israelites because Abraham had eight sons so which one could be called a brother to the Israelites through Faith?

Well God already excluded Ishmael completely when He (God) told Abraham that salvation will come through Isaac! Genesis 17:18-21

So there's no way Ishmaelites could come any closer to being brothers to the Israelites who are enough as brothers having twelve tribes already!

MaxInDHouse:
Islam came through Muhammad a supposed descendant of Ishmael. If the Israelites are to think of any race call BROTHER it's only within the twelve tribes of Israel. But let's assume they want to look outside Israel the nearest related nation is Edom the descendants of Esau (Jacob's twin brother)
So Ishmael is far far distant relation of the Israelites because Abraham had eight sons so which one could be called a brother to the Israelites through Faith?

Well God already excluded Ishmael completely when He (God) told Abraham that salvation will come through Isaac! Genesis 17:18-21

So there's no way Ishmaelites could come any closer to being brothers to the Israelites who are enough as brothers having twelve tribes already!

I agree perfectly with you. Esau is even a closer relative of Israel than Ishmael.

Gen 17:18-21:
"And Abraham said to God, O that Ishmael might live before you! And God said, Sarah your wife shall bear you a son indeed; and you shall call his name Isaac: and I will establish my covenant with him for an everlasting covenant, and with his seed after him. And as for Ishmael, I have heard you: Behold, I have blessed him, and will make him fruitful, and will multiply him exceedingly; twelve princes shall he beget, and I will make him a great nation. But my covenant will I establish with Isaac, which Sarah shall bear to you at this set time in the next year."

Islam is a religion set up to deceive people away from true SALVATION from the consequence of SIN.

alfarouq:
Christians often ask what miracles the prophet Muhammad performed; many of them even make the claim that the Quran and the hadiths record no miracles done by the prophet. However so, it seems that I am reading a different Quran and hadith then, because you would have to be blind, or a big liar to claim that there are no recorded miracles of the prophet found in Islamic sources.

I wont label these Christians who make this claim as liars, no, after all most of these Christians do not do the research themselves, rather it’s their own Christian scholars who deceive them with their lies against Islam, such as Answering-Islam, prophet of doom, faith freedom etc. It is these sites and Christian scholars out there who make some of the biggest lies against Islam, deceiving their Christian people into having wrong ideas about Islam, so when you have normal Christians coming up to you with arguments, you must know that this person is simply arguing from what he saw and heard from Christian polemic against Islam.

For instance, most of you are most likely familiar with Christians always coming up with quotes from Tabari, Ibn Ishaq, and some other works. They often quote these works and think they are making big arguments, yet they always seem to quote specific quotes from these books, and when you ask for a context, they can never provide it, the reason being is because they are ALL quoting from that goon Craig Winn’s book.
So this argument put forth by Christians, that the prophet Muhammad performed no miracles according to Islamic sources is another example of Christians getting bad information from Christian apologists.

For this article, I shall show some miracles the prophet Muhammad performed, ending this sad lie that there are no miracles recorded in Islamic sources. Now whether Christians will agree with the sources I quote is IRRELEVENT, I am not asking any Christian to believe in these miracles, what I am doing is showing you that there are miracles recorded in Islamic sources, so therefore you should stop saying there aren’t any, and you should stop asking Muslims to show you miracles performed by the prophet Muhammad with the pre-conceived notion that he did none. As the saying goes, you cant have your cake and eat it, you cant claim the prophet performed no miracles, and then when I show you the miracles you say ‘oh well those sources are forged and lies’. You can’t have it both ways, you say the prophet Muhammad performed no miracles according to Islam, I shall show you that this claim is FALSE.

Now if a Christian said yes there are miracles recorded in Islamic sources, but I don’t believe them, then that’s a different case, and is a fair argument. But in this article I am addressing the Christians who make the claim that the Islamic sources contain NO miracles of the prophet Muhammad, often asking Muslims to show them a miracle performed by the prophet.

With all that said, we can now show some of the miracles the prophet Muhammad performed:

Sahih Bukhari Volume 2, Book 13, Number 55:

Narrated Anas bin Malik:

Once in the lifetime of the Prophet (p.b.u.h) the people were afflicted with drought (famine). While the Prophet was delivering the Khutba on a Friday, a Bedouin stood up and said, "O, Allah's Apostle! Our possessions are being destroyed and the children are hungry; Please invoke Allah (for rain)". So the Prophet raised his hands. At that time there was not a trace of cloud in the sky. By Him in Whose Hands my soul is as soon as he lowered his hands, clouds gathered like mountains, and before he got down from the pulpit, I saw the rain falling on the beard of the Prophet. It rained that day, the next day, the third day, the fourth day till the next Friday. The same Bedouin or another man stood up and said, "O Allah's Apostle! The houses have collapsed, our possessions and livestock have been drowned; Please invoke Allah (to protect us)". So the Prophet I raised both his hands and said, "O Allah! Round about us and not on us". So, in whatever direction he pointed with his hands, the clouds dispersed and cleared away, and Medina's (sky) became clear as a hole in between the clouds. The valley of Qanat remained flooded, for one month, none came from outside but talked about the abundant rain.

From ‘Ibn Kathirs The Life of the Prophet Muhammad, Al-sira Al-Nabawiyya, volume 2’ :

HOW THE PROPHET (SAAS) REPLACED QATADA’S EYE:

Al-Bayhaqi stated, in the Dalail (The Signs), “Abu Sad al-Malini informed us quoting Abu Ahmed b. Adi, quoting Abu Yala, quoting Yahya al-Himmant, quoting Abd al-Aziz b. Sulayman b. al-Ghasil, from Asim b. Umar b. Qatada, from his father, from his grandfather Qatada b. al-Numan, that his eye was wounded at Badr and that its pupil came down on his cheekbone. They were about to slice it off, but asked the Messenger of God (SAAS) who said they should not do this. He then said a prayer for him, covering his cheek with his palm. And later you could not tell which of his eyes had been struck!”

According to one account, this became the better eye.
An account came down to us from the Commander of the Believers, Umar b. Abd al- Aziz that when he was told this account by Asim b. Umar b. Qatada, he also recited:

“I am the son of him on whose cheek his eye descended,
which was replaced so well by the hand of the Chosen-One.”
Upon hearing this, Umar b. Abd al-Aziz, God bless him, quoted very appropriately the verse of Umayya b. Abd al-Salt of Ibn Dhu Yazin,

“These fine qualities are not like two bowls with milk
merely whitening the water that soon becomes urine.” (Pg 298)

Section: Concerning the Splitting of the Moon in the time of the Prophet (SAAS)
God did provide the Messenger of God (SAAS) with a sign to prove the veracity of the guidance and religion of truth he brought, and that was at the time of his pointing (to the moon).

God Almighty spoke the following in his noble book, “The hour has drawn near and the moon has split asunder. And if they see a sign they turn away, saying, ‘Just more trickery!’ They call it deceit and follow their fancies, while all things are pre-determined.” (surat al-Qamar, LIV, v.1-3)


Muslims agreed that this did occur in the time of the Messenger of God (SAAS), traditions with complete lines of transmissions, through numerous paths, provide decisive proof for those who examine it and comprehend it.

…….That is related from Anas b. Malik, Jubayr b. Mutim, Hudhayfa, Abd Allah b. Abbas, Abd Allah b. Umar, and Abd Allah b. Masud, God be pleased with all.

Regarding the hadith of Anas, Imam Ahmad stated, “Abd al-Raziq related to us that Mamar related to him, from Qatada, from Anas b. Malik, who said, ‘ The people of Mecca asked the prophet (SAAS) for a sign, And so the moon over Mecca was split twice. And he spoke the words, “ The house has drawn near and the moon has split asunder”” (surat al-Qamar, LIV, v-1)

And Muslim related this, from Muhammad b. Rafi from from Abd al-Razzaq.

This is one of the texts known as the mursalat al-sahaba. And it is plain that he received it from a large mass of the Companions, or from the Prophet (SAAS), or from everyone.

Both al-Bukhari and Muslim related this hadith on a path through Shayban. In his line of transmission al-Bukhari added Said b. Abu Urba. Muslim added Shuba to his. All three (sic) of them drew from Qatada, from Anas. The tradition states that the people of Mecca asked the Messenger of God (SAAS) to show them a sign, He showed them the moon in two parts, so that they could see Mt. Hira between them both.

……. The Hafiz Abu Nuaym stated, “Sulayman b. Ahmad related to us, quoting Bakr b. Suhayl, quoting Abd al-Ghani b. Said, quoting Musa b. Abd al-Rahman, from Ibn Jurayj, from Ata, from Ibn Abbas- also, it came from Muqatil, from al- Dahhak, from Ibn Abbas- with reference to God’s words, ‘The hour has drawn near and the moon has been split asunder’, as follows, ‘The polytheists gathered around the Messenger of God (SAAS); they included al-Walid b. al-Mughira, Abu Jahl b. Hisham, al-As b. Wail, al-As b. Hisham, al-Aswad b. Abd Yaghuth, al-Aswad b. Muttalib b. Asad b. Abd al-Uzza, Zama b. al-Aswad and al-Nadr b. al-Harith, along with many other such men.

“They said to the Prophet (SAAS), “If you are telling the truth, then split the moon for us into two parts, one half over Mt. Abu Qubays, the other over Mt. Quayquan. The Prophet (SAAS) asked them, “If I did so, would you believe?” “Yes, we would,” they replied. It was a night of full moon, and so he asked God the Almighty and Glorious to grant him what they requested. That evening the moon did have one half removed and placed over Mt. Abu Abu Qubays, the other being above Mt. Quayquan, while the Messenger of God (SAAS) called out, “O Abu Salama b. Abd al-Asad, and al-Aqram b. al-Aqram, be a witness (to this event).”

…..The Hafiz Abu al-Qasim al- Tabarni said, “Ahmad b. al-Amr al-Razzaz related to us, quoting Muhammad b. Yahya al-Qital, quoting Muhammad b. Bakr quoting Ibn Jurayj quoting Amr b. Dinar, from Ikrima, from Ibn Abbas, who said, ‘ In the time of the Messenger of God (SAAS), the moon was eclipsed and people said, “The moon is bewitched!” And so the words were revealed, “The hour has drawn near and the moon has split asunder. And if they see a sign they turn away saying, “Just more trickery!”’”(surat al-Qamar, LIV, v. 1-3).

This has a fine chain of authorities; it states that the moon was eclipsed that night; perhaps its splitting occurred on the night of its eclipse and this is why what happened to it was hidden from most of the earths inhabitants. However, this was in fact witnessed in parts of the world. It is said that in some parts of India that became a point dating, and that a building was constructed that night which was dated by the night the moon was split. (Pg 76-79)

A Miraculous event:

Section: Concerning the isra, the night journey, of the Messenger of God (SAAS) from Mecca to Jerusalem, his ascent from there to heaven and the signs he saw there.

We will give here the gist of the words of Ibn Ishaq, God bless him. Having recounted the earlier sections, he went on, “Then the Messenger of God (SAAS) was taken by night from the masjid-al haram to the masjid al-aqsa, the latter being the holy temple of Aelia. By then Islam had spread in Mecca into Quraysh and all the Arab tribes.”

He continued, “Concerning the night journey of the Messenger of God (SAAS), I learned what follows from a hadith that came down from Ibn Musud, Abu Said, Aisha, Muawiya, Umm Hani, daughter of Abu Talib, God bless them all, and al-Hasan b. Abu al-Hasan, Ibn Hisham al-Zuhri, Qatada and other scholars. Individually that combines in this account.

“The night journey of the Messenger of God (SAAS) was filled with trials and tribulations and (instances) of God’s power and authority; it provides a lesson for men of intelligence, a guidance, a mercy and an affirmation for those with faith and belief. It was certainly an act of God.

“He carried him on his journey as and how He wished, to show him those of His signs He desired. He thus surveyed some of the Might of God, His will, power and authority by which he accomplishes His purposes.

“Abd Allah b. Masud would say, as I have been informed, the Messenger of God (SAAS), was brought al-Buraq, that being the name of a mount on which previous prophets were carried; its stride was such that it could place its hooves as far as it could see. He was borne away on it.

“His companion (Gabriel) then took him off to see signs between heaven and earth. Eventually he reached Jerusalem, where he found Abraham, Moses and Jesus, in a company of prophets assembled for him. He led them in prayer. “Then he was brought three vessels, containing milk, wine and water. He said that he drank the vessel of milk and was told by Gabriel, ‘You have been given guidance, and so has your nation.’”

…..Ibn Ishaq related, quoting Umm Hani as his source, that she said, “It was from nowhere but my home that the Messenger of God (SAAS) made his night journey. He slept that night after having made the final evening prayer. When it was just before dawn he woke up and when it was morning we prayed together and he said, ‘O Umm Hani, last evening I prayed with you in this valley, then I went to Jerusalem and prayed there. And now here I am having said the morning prayer with you, as you see.’

“He then arose to leave, but I took hold of the hem of his cloak and said, ‘O Messenger of God, do not make that statement to the people; they will surely disbelieve you and do you harm.’

“But he replied, ‘By God, I will certainly tell it to them!’ And he did tell them and they did disbelieve.”

Ibn Ishaq went on (and the Prophet (SAAS) told the sceptical, tr.) “And the proof of this is that I passed by the caravan of such-and-such a tribe in such-and-such a valley, and the sound of (al-buraq) startled them and so one of their camels ran away. I led them to it, being then on my way to al-Sham. Then I continued on until I reached Dajanan, where I passed a caravan of such-and-such tribe. I found the people asleep. They had a vessel with water in it that they had covered it with something. I took off the cover and drank the water and replaced its cover. And the proof of this is that their caravan is now making its way down from the pass at al-Tanim al-Bayda. Leading it is an ash-coloured camel on which are two sacks, one of which is black, the other black and white.

“On hearing this, people hurried to the pass. The first camel, which was as he described to them, was insufficient proof for them, so they asked about the vessel and the camel, and those in the caravan did tell them just as the Prophet (SAAS) had recounted.”

Yunus b. bukayr related, from Asbat, from Ismail al-Suddi, that the sun had almost set before that caravan arrived and so he prayed to God, Almighty and Glorious is He, who slowed it down until they came, just as he had described it to them.

He stated, “And the sun was never slowed down for anyone except on that day for him, and also for Yusha (Joshua) b. Nun.

Al-Bayhaqi related this account. ( Pg 62-64)

So as we can see, the prophet Muhammad performed several miracles, and also went through a miraculous event when he was taken from Mecca to Jerusalem, where he saw all the other prophets and was taken into heaven.

So the claim that the prophet Muhammad had no miracles is a lie.

You’re the one indirectly telling us that your Quran is falsehood because the Quran states that Muhammad did not have any sign/miracles.

The people that lived in the time of Muhammad wanted to believe him but they asked for proofs of his authenticity! But Muhammad told them that he had no signs and that only Allah had signs. But Jesus was recorded in the same Quran to have performed many signs. How come muhammad that you lie to be the greatest prophet didn’t perform any miracles worthy enough of being mentioned in the Quran?

All they asked was for a sign and they would believe,
Surah 6:109


“And they swear by Allāh their strongest oaths that if a sign came to them, they would surely believe in it. Say, “The signs are only with Allāh." And what will make you perceive that even if it came, they would not believe.”
-Quran 6:109


Also, people of that time said it frankly in the Quran that no sign was sent to Muhammad from Allah and neither Allah nor Muhammad could deny that statement. In fact, Allah confirmed that statement by saying that Muhammad was only a Warner (and not someone that was given signs/miracles


Surah 13:7
And those who disbelieved say, "Why has a sign not been sent down to him from his Lord?" You are only a warner, and for every people is a guide.



But decades after Muhammad had died, some Muslims decided to write the ahadith and write lies therein that Muhammad performed some miracles.

We are know that any Hadith that contradicts the Quran is a fake one, so the Quran has told us that Muhammad was a miracle-less prophet!

TenQ:
Unfortunately, Muslims lie without shame even against their God Allah.

1. If Christians quote these same hadiths to you, you will claim that the hadiths are not Sahih: yet you expect that we treat any hadith you throw out as authentic!

Should Christians believe all hadiths?

2. Allah explicitly said in the Qur'an that no miracle was given to Mohammed except the Qur'an.
So, who is wrong and who is right between Muslims and Allah?

Qur'an 6:37
And they say: 'Why has no miraculous sign been sent down to him from his Lord?' Say: 'Surely Allah has the power to send down a sign, but most of them do not know.


Qur'an 13:7
The unbelievers say, 'Why has a miracles (ayatun) not been sent down upon him from his Lord?' Thou art ONLY a warner, and a guide to every people.

Qur'an 17:59
Naught prevented Us from sending the signs (bial-ayati) but that the ancients cried lies to them; and We brought Thamood the She-camel visible, but they did her wrong. And We do not send the signs, except to frighten.




Please , if Allah himself claim NOT to give Mohammed any miracles, where did he get the power to do the miracles attested to him in the hadiths?

Secondly, the only miracle Allah said he would give are the ones that frighten people: Which of the miracles of Mohammed frighten anyone?


Thank you for reading!

Do you think the Quran is like the bible that every Tom, Dick and Harry with money, power and authority can gather people to create his own version of the bible and attach his name to it? That accounts for the interpolations in the bibles, the different versions and the different number of books in different version.

Let me first present the verses you quote Quran 29 v47-51 that you are trying to quote.

47. And thus (it is) that We have sent down the Book to thee. So the People of the Book believe therein, as also do some of these (pagan Arabs): and none but Unbelievers reject our signs.

48. And thou wast not (able) to recite a Book before this (Book came), nor art thou (able) to transcribe it with thy right hand: In that case, indeed, would the talkers of vanities have doubted.

49. Nay, here are Signs self-evident in the hearts of those endowed with knowledge: and none but the unjust reject Our Signs.

50. Ye they say: "Why are not Signs sent down to him from his Lord?" Say: "The signs are indeed with Allah: and I am indeed a clear Warner."

51. And is it not enough for them that we have sent down to thee the Book which is rehearsed to them? Verily, in it is Mercy and a Reminder to those who believe.

It will take much more than you and the people you copied just replacing "indeed" with "only" to discredit the Quran. Nay you can never, do you know why? Because Allah himself has pledged to protect it from been corrupted by people with money, wealth and power (like King James). Several have tried and failed so it is an impossible task to undertake.

Secondly, How has the verses you mentioned said that Allah has not given the prophet PBUH any miracles, I wonder how you reason. Kindly point it out.

V 48 points to the fact that the fact that the Prophet Muhammad who can neither read (for you to say he read it somewhere) nor write came with a book the like of which has never been seen before in Arabia with accurate and sound knowledge is in itself a miracle.

V 50 states that clearly no miracle can be performed by anyone except with the live of God. and God gives out his miracles when he likes.

Now the quran is a book about the life of Muhammad peace be upon him. It is a book about the instructions of the dos and dont's as commanded by God. If you want a book that is about the life of the prophet and the things he do, then you have to look at the hadith.

Also because Allah knows that a lot of satan worshippers, pagans, sorcerers will come at the end of time usig magic to hoodwink people or even planning with people to stage miracles, he did not allow the training of Muslims on physical miracles which some can stage. I believe we have all seen on the internet different shows where people do things that normally a human can not do. most are tricks and can be staged.

I will be creating a thread later on the miracles in the Qur'an which have been verified by science. but only the sincere will actually benefit from it.

advocatejare:
You’re the one indirectly telling us that your Quran is falsehood because the Quran states that Muhammad did not have any sign/miracles.

The people that lived in the time of Muhammad wanted to believe him but they asked for proofs of his authenticity! But Muhammad told them that he had no signs and that only Allah had signs. But Jesus was recorded in the same Quran to have performed many signs. How come muhammad that you lie to be the greatest prophet didn’t perform any miracles worthy enough of being mentioned in the Quran?

All they asked was for a sign and they would believe,
Surah 6:109


“And they swear by Allāh their strongest oaths that if a sign came to them, they would surely believe in it. Say, “The signs are only with Allāh." And what will make you perceive that even if it came, they would not believe.”
-Quran 6:109


Also, people of that time said it frankly in the Quran that no sign was sent to Muhammad from Allah and neither Allah nor Muhammad could deny that statement. In fact, Allah confirmed that statement by saying that Muhammad was only a Warner (and not someone that was given signs/miracles


Surah 13:7
And those who disbelieved say, "Why has a sign not been sent down to him from his Lord?" You are only a warner, and for every people is a guide.



But decades after Muhammad had died, some Muslims decided to write the ahadith and write lies therein that Muhammad performed some miracles.

We are know that any Hadith that contradicts the Quran is a fake one, so the Quran has told us that Muhammad was a miracle-less prophet!

Do you think the Quran is like the bible that every Tom, Dick and Harry with money, power and authority can gather people to create his own version of the bible and attach his name to it? That accounts for the interpolations in the bibles, the different versions and the different number of books in different version.

Let me first present the verses you quote Quran 29 v47-51 that you are trying to quote.

47. And thus (it is) that We have sent down the Book to thee. So the People of the Book believe therein, as also do some of these (pagan Arabs): and none but Unbelievers reject our signs.

48. And thou wast not (able) to recite a Book before this (Book came), nor art thou (able) to transcribe it with thy right hand: In that case, indeed, would the talkers of vanities have doubted.

49. Nay, here are Signs self-evident in the hearts of those endowed with knowledge: and none but the unjust reject Our Signs.

50. Ye they say: "Why are not Signs sent down to him from his Lord?" Say: "The signs are indeed with Allah: and I am indeed a clear Warner."

51. And is it not enough for them that we have sent down to thee the Book which is rehearsed to them? Verily, in it is Mercy and a Reminder to those who believe.

It will take much more than you and the people you copied just replacing "indeed" with "only" to discredit the Quran. Nay you can never, do you know why? Because Allah himself has pledged to protect it from been corrupted by people with money, wealth and power (like King James). Several have tried and failed so it is an impossible task to undertake.

Secondly, How has the verses you mentioned said that Allah has not given the prophet PBUH any miracles, I wonder how you reason. Kindly point it out.

V 48 points to the fact that the fact that the Prophet Muhammad who can neither read (for you to say he read it somewhere) nor write came with a book the like of which has never been seen before in Arabia with accurate and sound knowledge is in itself a miracle.

V 50 states that clearly no miracle can be performed by anyone except with the live of God. and God gives out his miracles when he likes.

Now the quran is a book about the life of Muhammad peace be upon him. It is a book about the instructions of the dos and dont's as commanded by God. If you want a book that is about the life of the prophet and the things he do, then you have to look at the hadith.

Also because Allah knows that a lot of satan worshippers, pagans, sorcerers will come at the end of time usig magic to hoodwink people or even planning with people to stage miracles, he did not allow the training of Muslims on physical miracles which some can stage. I believe we have all seen on the internet different shows where people do things that normally a human can not do. most are tricks and can be staged.

I will be creating a thread later on the miracles in the Qur'an which have been verified by science. but only the sincere will actually benefit from it.

But for now let me live us with this.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gC2_IMz9qcY

Some christians use to falsely claim that because of some of the places the Quran and the bible agree, that the quran was copied from the bible because the bible came before Quran. The verse 48 above already give answer to that. How is it that of all people, it is the unlettered that can neither read nor write that will copy from the bible and from the quran.

Again the concept of embriology in the Quran stated more than 1000 years before science became sophisticated and powerful electron microscope and scan macgines were developed is enough evidence of the uniqueness and authenticity of the quran. There is nothing like that in the bible nor any ancient scripture. That answers your question on whether the Quran was copied or not.

In the Qur'an, it is related that man is created in a three-stage process in the mother's womb.

... He creates you stage by stage in your mothers' wombs in a threefold darkness. That is God, your Lord. Sovereignty is His. There is no god but Him. So what has made you deviate? (The Qur'an, 39:6)

As will be understood, it is pointed out in this verse that a human being is created in the mother's womb in three distinct stages. Indeed, modern biology has revealed that the baby's embryological development takes place in three distinct regions in the mother's womb. Today, in all the embryology textbooks studied in faculties of medicine, this subject is taken as an element of basic knowledge. For instance in Basic Human Embryology, a fundamental reference text in the field of embryology, this fact is stated as follows: "The life in the uterus has three stages: pre-embryonic; first two and a half weeks, embryonic; until the end of the eight week, and fetal; from the eight week to labor."18

These phases refer to the different developmental stages of a baby. In brief, the main characteristics of these developmental stages are as follows:

- Pre-embryonic stage

In this first phase, the zygote grows by division, and when it becomes a cell cluster, it buries itself in the wall of the uterus. While they continue growing, the cells organise themselves in three layers.

- Embryonic Stage

The second phase lasts for five and a half weeks, during which the baby is called an "embryo". In this stage, the basic organs and systems of the body start to appear from the cell layers.

- Fetal stage

From this stage on, the embryo is called a "foetus". This phase begins at the eighth week of gestation and lasts until the moment of birth. The distinctive characteristic of this stage is that the foetus looks just like a human being, with its face, hands and feet. Although it is only 3 cm. long initially, all of its organs have become apparent. This phase lasts for about 30 weeks, and development continues until the week of delivery.

Information on the development in the mother's womb became available only after observations with modern devices. Yet, just like many other scientific facts, these pieces of information are imparted in the verses of the Qur'an in a miraculous way. The fact that such detailed and accurate information was given in the Qur'an at a time when people had scarce information on medical matters is clear evidence that the Qur'an is not the word of man, but the word of God.

alfarouq:
Do you think the Quran is like the bible that every Tom, Dick and Harry with money, power and authority can gather people to create his own version of the bible and attach his name to it? That accounts for the interpolations in the bibles, the different versions and the different number of books in different version.

Let me first present the verses you quote Quran 29 v47-51 that you are trying to quote.

47. And thus (it is) that We have sent down the Book to thee. So the People of the Book believe therein, as also do some of these (pagan Arabs): and none but Unbelievers reject our signs.

48. And thou wast not (able) to recite a Book before this (Book came), nor art thou (able) to transcribe it with thy right hand: In that case, indeed, would the talkers of vanities have doubted.

49. Nay, here are Signs self-evident in the hearts of those endowed with knowledge: and none but the unjust reject Our Signs.

50. Ye they say: "Why are not Signs sent down to him from his Lord?" Say: "The signs are indeed with Allah: and I am indeed a clear Warner."

51. And is it not enough for them that we have sent down to thee the Book which is rehearsed to them? Verily, in it is Mercy and a Reminder to those who believe.

It will take much more than you and the people you copied just replacing "indeed" with "only" to discredit the Quran. Nay you can never, do you know why? Because Allah himself has pledged to protect it from been corrupted by people with money, wealth and power (like King James). Several have tried and failed so it is an impossible task to undertake.

I guess you don't know me one bit. Every translation of the Qur'an may come with DECEIT, so, we scrutinize it.
Check out the discussion below if you dare
https://www.nairaland.com/7157018/quran-preserved-letter-letter-dot

You are Arguing over the fact that ONLY was used in place of INDEED!?

Al-Quran - Surah 29 - Al-Ankaboot - Ayah 50
وَقَالُوا۟ لَوْلَآ أُنزِلَ عَلَيْهِ ءَايَـٰتٌۭ مِّن رَّبِّهِۦ ۖ قُلْ إِنَّمَا ٱلْـَٔايَـٰتُ عِندَ ٱللَّهِ وَإِنَّمَآ أَنَا۠ نَذِيرٌۭ مُّبِينٌ ٥٠
Is the word used really INDEED instead of ONLY!?

Please sir, what does the word إِنَّمَا mean?

Do you know the website Qur'an.com ? How does it translate the word into English?

https://quran.com/en/al-ankabut/50

alfarouq:
Secondly, How has the verses you mentioned said that Allah has not given the prophet PBUH any miracles, I wonder how you reason. Kindly point it out.

V 48 points to the fact that the fact that the Prophet Muhammad who can neither read (for you to say he read it somewhere) nor write came with a book the like of which has never been seen before in Arabia with accurate and sound knowledge is in itself a miracle.

V 50 states that clearly no miracle can be performed by anyone except with the live of God. and God gives out his miracles when he likes.

Now the quran is a book about the life of Muhammad peace be upon him. It is a book about the instructions of the dos and dont's as commanded by God. If you want a book that is about the life of the prophet and the things he do, then you have to look at the hadith.

Also because Allah knows that a lot of satan worshippers, pagans, sorcerers will come at the end of time usig magic to hoodwink people or even planning with people to stage miracles, he did not allow the training of Muslims on physical miracles which some can stage. I believe we have all seen on the internet different shows where people do things that normally a human can not do. most are tricks and can be staged.

I will be creating a thread later on the miracles in the Qur'an which have been verified by science. but only the sincere will actually benefit from it.

You have said really nothing here!
What did Allah say about miracles to Mohammed?

What does Qur'an 17:59 say?
Qur'an 17:59
Nothing keeps Us from sending the ˹demanded˺ signs except that they had ˹already˺ been denied by earlier peoples. And We gave Thamûd the she-camel as a clear sign, but they wrongfully rejected it.1 We only send the signs as a warning


Can you please give an authentic Tefsir about this verse?
Was As-Safa ever turned to gold?

alfarouq:
Do you think the Quran is like the bible that every Tom, Dick and Harry with money, power and authority can gather people to create his own version of the bible and attach his name to it? That accounts for the interpolations in the bibles, the different versions and the different number of books in different version.

That is a lie you have been told for many years but it has been exposed. Right from the time of Muhammad we saw how people made claim of inspiring Muhammad to reveal the Quran.
Umar did and the blind man even corrected Allah

Narrated By 'Umar (bin Al-Khattab)
My Lord agreed with me in three things:
1. I said,"O Allah's Apostle, I wish we took the station of Abraham as our praying place (for some of our prayers). So came the Divine Inspiration: And take you (people) the station of Abraham as a place of prayer (for some of your prayers e.g.two Rakat of Tawaf of Ka'ba)". (2.125)
2. And as regards the (verse of) the veiling of the women, I said, 'O Allah's Apostle! I wish you ordered your wives to cover themselves from the men because good and bad ones talk to them.' So the verse of the veiling of the women was revealed.
3. Once the wives of the Prophet made a united front against the Prophet and I said to them, 'It may be if he (the Prophet) divorced you, (all) that his Lord (Allah) will give him instead of you wives better than you.' So this verse (the same as I had said) was revealed." (66.5).
-Sahih Bukhari 1:8:395

The blind man who knew better than Allah !
Sahih al-Bukhari 4990
Narrated Al-Bara:
There was revealed: 'Not equal are those believers
who sit (at home) and those who strive and fight in the Cause of Allah.' (4.95) The Prophet said, "Call Zaid
for me and let him bring the board, the inkpot and the scapula bone (or the scapula bone and the ink pot)." Then he said, "Write: 'Not equal are those Believers who sit.", and at that time "Amr bin Um Maktum, the blind man was sitting behind the Prophet. He said, Allah's Apostle! What is your order For me (as regards the above Verse) as I am a blind man?" So, instead of the above Verse, the following Verse was revealed:
"Not equal are those believers who sit (at home)
except those who are disabled (by injury or are blind or lame etc.) and those who strive and fight in the causeof Allah.' (4.95)

Aisha also edited the Quran and wrote what she desired
Sunan Abi Dawud 410
Abu Yunus, the freed slave of 'Aishah said:
'Aishah commanded me to write for her come passage from the Qur'an. She also added: When you reach the following verse, inform me: "Be guardian of your prayers and of the midmost prayer" (2:238). When I reached it, I informed her. She asked me to write:"Be guardians of your prayers, and of the midmost prayer, and of the 'Asr prayer, and stand up with devotion of Allah" (2:238). 'Aishah then said: I heard it from the Messenger of Allah

Let me first present the verses you quote Quran 29 v47-51 that you are trying to quote.

47. And thus (it is) that We have sent down the Book to thee. So the People of the Book believe therein, as also do some of these (pagan Arabs): and none but Unbelievers reject our signs.

48. And thou wast not (able) to recite a Book before this (Book came), nor art thou (able) to transcribe it with thy right hand: In that case, indeed, would the talkers of vanities have doubted.

49. Nay, here are Signs self-evident in the hearts of those endowed with knowledge: and none but the unjust reject Our Signs.

50. Ye they say: "Why are not Signs sent down to him from his Lord?" Say: "The signs are indeed with Allah: and I am indeed a clear Warner."

51. And is it not enough for them that we have sent down to thee the Book which is rehearsed to them? Verily, in it is Mercy and a Reminder to those who believe.

You just repeated what I highlighted to you. The Quran verses you posted above shows that Muhammad was not given any signs as the sign was said to be with Allah. But the same Quran reported that Jesus was given signs/miracles

It will take much more than you and the people you copied just replacing "indeed" with "only" to discredit the Quran. Nay you can never, do you know why? Because Allah himself has pledged to protect it from been corrupted by people with money, wealth and power (like King James). Several have tried and failed so it is an impossible task to undertake.

The same Allah that could not protect the Quran from being eaten by an ordinary sheep? Be deceiving yourself!
Sunan Ibn Majah 1944
It was narrated that 'Aishah said:
“The Verse of stoning and of breastfeeding an adult ten times was revealed1, and the paper was with me under my pillow. When the Messenger of Allah died, we were preoccupied with his death, and a tame sheep came in and ate it.”

Secondly, How has the verses you mentioned said that Allah has not given the prophet PBUH any miracles, I wonder how you reason. Kindly point it out.

If it does, then show us where Muhammad was said to have performed miracles in the Quran, at least we saw the miracles of Moses and Jesus, how come we can’t find any miracle of Muhammad in the Quran?

V 48 points to the fact that the fact that the Prophet Muhammad who can neither read (for you to say he read it somewhere) nor write came with a book the like of which has never been seen before in Arabia with accurate and sound knowledge is in itself a miracle.

The lie that Muhammad could not read or write has been busted!

Narrated 'Ursa:
The Prophet wrote the (marriage contract) with 'Aisha while she was six years old and consummated his marriage with her while she was nine years old and she remained with him for nine years (i.e. till his death).
-(Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 7, Book 62, Number 88)


Narrated 'Ubaidullah bin 'Abdullah:
Ibn 'Abbas said, "When the ailment of the Prophet became worse, he said, 'Bring for me (writing) paper and I will write for you a statement after which you will not go astray.' But 'Umar said, 'The Prophet is seriously ill, and we have got Allah's Book with us and that is sufficient for us.' But the companions of the Prophet differed about this and there was a hue and cry. On that the Prophet said to them, 'Go away (and leave me alone). It is not right that you should quarrel in front of me." Ibn 'Abbas came out saying, ""It was most unfortunate (a great disaster) that Allah's Apostle was prevented from writing that statement for them because of their disagreement and noise.
- (Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 1, Book 3, Number 114)

Now the quran is a book about the life of Muhammad peace be upon him. It is a book about the instructions of the dos and dont's as commanded by God. If you want a book that is about the life of the prophet and the things he do, then you have to look at the hadith.

If that is the case, how come the life and miracles of Jesus are recorded in the Quran and that of Muhammad isn’t?

I will be creating a thread later on the miracles in the Qur'an which have been verified by science. but only the sincere will actually benefit from it.

All those lies have been refuted.

Some christians use to falsely claim that because of some of the places the Quran and the bible agree, that the quran was copied from the bible because the bible came before Quran. The verse 48 above already give answer to that. How is it that of all people, it is the unlettered that can neither read nor write that will copy from the bible and from the quran.

Muhammad plagiarized the Bible, it’s not a hidden fact. Have you read about Jabr?

Again the concept of embriology in the Quran stated more than 1000 years before science became sophisticated and powerful electron microscope and scan macgines were developed is enough evidence of the uniqueness and authenticity of the quran. There is nothing like that in the bible nor any ancient scripture. That answers your question on whether the Quran was copied or not.

Foolish embryology in the Quran
The foolish embryology in the Quran that only talks about sperm and not a single mention of the female egg.

Quran says that sperm develops in to a clot, that is foolishness, a sperm that has not fertilized any egg will die and not develop into a baby,

Try your god and put your sperm into a woman who has reached menopause and see it it will turn into a clot.

Allah is ignorant of embryology!

Semen in the womb for 40 days

Allah that was even ignorant that sperms are produced in the testes but exposed his ignorance by saying that sperms are produced from the between the backbone and the ribs

advocatejare:
That is a lie you have been told for many years but it has been exposed. Right from the time of Muhammad we saw how people made claim of inspiring Muhammad to reveal the Quran.
Umar did and the blind man even corrected Allah

Narrated By 'Umar (bin Al-Khattab)
My Lord agreed with me in three things:
1. I said,"O Allah's Apostle, I wish we took the station of Abraham as our praying place (for some of our prayers). So came the Divine Inspiration: And take you (people) the station of Abraham as a place of prayer (for some of your prayers e.g.two Rakat of Tawaf of Ka'ba)". (2.125)
2. And as regards the (verse of) the veiling of the women, I said, 'O Allah's Apostle! I wish you ordered your wives to cover themselves from the men because good and bad ones talk to them.' So the verse of the veiling of the women was revealed.
3. Once the wives of the Prophet made a united front against the Prophet and I said to them, 'It may be if he (the Prophet) divorced you, (all) that his Lord (Allah) will give him instead of you wives better than you.' So this verse (the same as I had said) was revealed." (66.5).
-Sahih Bukhari 1:8:395

The blind man who knew better than Allah !
Sahih al-Bukhari 4990
Narrated Al-Bara:
There was revealed: 'Not equal are those believers
who sit (at home) and those who strive and fight in the Cause of Allah.' (4.95) The Prophet said, "Call Zaid
for me and let him bring the board, the inkpot and the scapula bone (or the scapula bone and the ink pot)." Then he said, "Write: 'Not equal are those Believers who sit.", and at that time "Amr bin Um Maktum, the blind man was sitting behind the Prophet. He said, Allah's Apostle! What is your order For me (as regards the above Verse) as I am a blind man?" So, instead of the above Verse, the following Verse was revealed:
"Not equal are those believers who sit (at home)
except those who are disabled (by injury or are blind or lame etc.) and those who strive and fight in the causeof Allah.' (4.95)

Aisha also edited the Quran and wrote what she desired
Sunan Abi Dawud 410
Abu Yunus, the freed slave of 'Aishah said:
'Aishah commanded me to write for her come passage from the Qur'an. She also added: When you reach the following verse, inform me: "Be guardian of your prayers and of the midmost prayer" (2:238). When I reached it, I informed her. She asked me to write:"Be guardians of your prayers, and of the midmost prayer, and of the 'Asr prayer, and stand up with devotion of Allah" (2:238). 'Aishah then said: I heard it from the Messenger of Allah


You just repeated what I highlighted to you. The Quran verses you posted above shows that Muhammad was not given any signs as the sign was said to be with Allah. But the same Quran reported that Jesus was given signs/miracles


The same Allah that could not protect the Quran from being eaten by an ordinary sheep? Be deceiving yourself!
Sunan Ibn Majah 1944
It was narrated that 'Aishah said:
“The Verse of stoning and of breastfeeding an adult ten times was revealed1, and the paper was with me under my pillow. When the Messenger of Allah died, we were preoccupied with his death, and a tame sheep came in and ate it.”


If it does, then show us where Muhammad was said to have performed miracles in the Quran, at least we saw the miracles of Moses and Jesus, how come we can’t find any miracle of Muhammad in the Quran?



The lie that Muhammad could not read or write has been busted!

Narrated 'Ursa:
The Prophet wrote the (marriage contract) with 'Aisha while she was six years old and consummated his marriage with her while she was nine years old and she remained with him for nine years (i.e. till his death).
-(Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 7, Book 62, Number 88)


Narrated 'Ubaidullah bin 'Abdullah:
Ibn 'Abbas said, "When the ailment of the Prophet became worse, he said, 'Bring for me (writing) paper and I will write for you a statement after which you will not go astray.' But 'Umar said, 'The Prophet is seriously ill, and we have got Allah's Book with us and that is sufficient for us.' But the companions of the Prophet differed about this and there was a hue and cry. On that the Prophet said to them, 'Go away (and leave me alone). It is not right that you should quarrel in front of me." Ibn 'Abbas came out saying, ""It was most unfortunate (a great disaster) that Allah's Apostle was prevented from writing that statement for them because of their disagreement and noise.
- (Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 1, Book 3, Number 114)



If that is the case, how come the life and miracles of Jesus are recorded in the Quran and that of Muhammad isn’t?



All those lies have been refuted.


Muhammad plagiarized the Bible, it’s not a hidden fact. Have you read about Jabr?


Foolish embryology in the Quran
The foolish embryology in the Quran that only talks about sperm and not a single mention of the female egg.

Quran says that sperm develops in to a clot, that is foolishness, a sperm that has not fertilized any egg will die and not develop into a baby,

Try your god and put your sperm into a woman who has reached menopause and see it it will turn into a clot.

Allah is ignorant of embryology!

Semen in the womb for 40 days

Allah that was even ignorant that sperms are produced in the testes but exposed his ignorance by saying that sperms are produced from the between the backbone and the ribs

So much arrogance coming from an ignorant.

Tell that to Keith moore who not only did not challenge it but also embraced Islam as a result and the world of embryology who also did not challenge it. Basically you are saying all medical schools and professionals all over the world are ignorant, it is you that know.

Weldone

alfarouq:
So much arrogance coming from an ignorant.

I can see that you were dumbfounded with all the facts I gave you on how Umar, the blind man, Aisha all inspired the Quran.

You also saw how Allah failed his promise of protecting the Quran from corruption when the same Allah couldn’t even stop an ordinary sheep from eating your Quran

Tell that to Keith moore who not only did not challenge it but also embraced Islam
as a result and the world of embryology who also did not challenge it.

Liar. Keith Moore never became a muslim.

Basically you are saying all medical schools and professionals all over the world are ignorant, it is you that know.

Weldone

There is no scientist that believe in your stupid Quran embryology that sperm will change to clot in a woman’s womb.

Your Allah forgot to mention that sperm has to fertilize a woman’s egg first before an embryo can be formed. This is basic biology that we all did in secondary school but Allah didn’t even know that a woman’s egg exists.


Show me where Keith Moore agree with that nonsense that a sperm without fertilizing a woman’s egg will turn into a clot that will then develop into a baby


https://wikiislam.net/wiki/Dr._Keith_Moore

advocatejare:
I can see that you were dumbfounded with all the facts I gave you on how Umar, the blind man, Aisha all inspired the Quran.

You also saw how Allah failed his promise of protecting the Quran from corruption when the same Allah couldn’t even stop an ordinary sheep from eating your Quran


Liar. Keith Moore never became a muslim.


There is no scientist that believe in your stupid Quran embryology that sperm will change to clot in a woman’s womb.

Your Allah forgot to mention that sperm has to fertilize a woman’s egg first before an embryo can be formed. This is basic biology that we all did in secondary school but Allah didn’t even know that a woman’s egg exists.


Show me where Keith Moore agree with that nonsense that a sperm without fertilizing a woman’s egg will turn into a clot that will then develop into a baby


https://wikiislam.net/wiki/Dr._Keith_Moore

The Qur’an was revealed in its entirety in over two decades in chunks of varying lengths. On some occasions whole surahs were revealed together and on other only a few words. The Qur’an itself refers to this scheme of revelation. Allah says:

(It is) a Qur’an which We have divided (into parts from time to time), in order that you might recite it to men at intervals: We have revealed it by stages.

In response to an objection raised by the disbelievers the wisdom of piecemeal revelation is mentioned in the Qur’an itself;

Those who reject Faith say: “Why is not the Qur’an revealed to him all at once? Thus (is it revealed), that We may strengthen your  heart thereby, and We have rehearsed it to you in slow, well-arranged stages, gradually.

Accordingly, in a hadith narated by Ibn Abbass R.A
Ibn ‘Abbas said: The Qur’an was revealed in its entirety and placed in the Abode of Glory in the lower heaven. Subsequently, Gabriel revealed it to Muhammad in response to speech and actions of the people.

Whenever the Qur’an was revealed it brought with it an assurance of divine help and support not only for the Prophet PBUH himself but for the members of the first Muslim community. It brought successive revelations with new and refined laws, promise of help against the trigger-happy and latent enemies, glad tidings of eventual victory over different ideologies, guidance on specific issues of communal concern, and consolation for individuals and groups. Though usually general in implication these revelations came down against specific backgrounds leaving lasting impressions in the memory of the community and helping them make better sense of it for application to future contexts.

When the Prophet (ﷺ) was about to set out for Tabuk and the hypocrites were being coward and making all kinds of excuses not to join the campaign, Allah vide Qur’an 4:95 declared that those who sit behind are not equal to those who fight in the way of Allah. In fact even more scathing condemnation of the hypocrites was revealed in the same context in verses of Surah 9. And whereas the Prophet (ﷺ) did exempt certain true believers for their inability of affording a mount the verse in question declared that those among the believers who stayed behind were not equal to those who participated in the campaign.

It was this backdrop that perturbed Ibn Umm Maktum who had earlier remained behind the Prophet (ﷺ) on a number of campaigns due to his blindness. While he must have known the general rule that “Allah does burden one more than his capacity” he sought explicit exemption and concession on this occasion to remain free from any suggestion of hypocrisy and loss in terms of reward compared to others.

While this narration of the incident in most relate the events in summary, there are reports that give us further information thereby providing better insight.

Ibn Umm Maktum – who was a blind man – stood up when he heard the superiority of those who fight in the way of Allah, and said: ‘O Messenger of Allah! What about those believers who are not able to fight such as the blind and others like them? O Messenger of Allah, what do you command me? I am a blind man. If I could fight I would have fought. I love fighting in the way of Allah. You have known for years that I have lost my eyesight and I cannot fight. Where is my fault? Is there a dispensation for me from Allah  if I sit back? The Prophet (ﷺ) said: “I have not been ordered anything (specific) with regard to you. I do not know whether there is a dispensation for you and the like of you.” Ibn Umm Maktum said, “O Allah! I beseech you for (restoring) my eyesight.” [13] He was told that the Prophet (ﷺ) was receiving the revelation. Fearing something may be revealed about him (by the way of condemnation), he cried standing there and said, I seek refuge from the anger of Allah’s Messenger; I turn to Allah and His Messenger. Zaid said, “By Allah, Ibn Umm Maktum had hardly completed his words that (something like) trance overtook the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ). His thigh fell down on my thigh, and I felt the heavy weight for the second time as I had felt it the first time. Then the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) regained his composure, and said: ‘Read O Zaid.’ So I read: Not equal are those of the believers who sit (at home). The Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) said: Except those who are disabled’ (reciting) the complete Verse (4:95).”

One needs to reflect whether this is story of a man telling or reminding the Prophet (ﷺ) to make an exception, or is it about him pleading for a favor in view of his circumstance?  The man was perturbed that he would lose the highest reward without any negligence on his part and asked if he and his likes could get a dispensation. He was told there was no specific instruction about him by then. He cried out to Allah requesting that alternatively his eyesight may be restored enabling him to fight in the way of Allah and earn the greatest reward. Just then, the Prophet (ﷺ) again began to experience the physical concomitants of revelation he had undergone a while earlier. The poor blind man was told by the others present around that revelation had begun to come. Perhaps realizing that he had reacted too much he feared having offended the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) and began to pronounce his repentance. The revelation did come but it was no reprimand or anything to that effect rather a context specific confirmation of a known principle that he and others among the true believers having genuine excuse were in no loss compared to those who went to fight in the way of Allah. Accordingly, it was reported like the hadith from Anas ibn Malik below.

Anas ibn Malik related that the Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, returned from the Tabuk expedition and approached Madina and said, “In Madina there are people who have been with you whatever distance you have travelled and whatever valley you crossed.” They said, “Messenger of Allah, even though they are in Madina?” He replied, “They are in Madina and a valid excuse prevented them from coming.”

The case of the blind man discussed above was not the only time Gabriel brought the message just while a plea was made or a question asked. Following report gives another account of similar nature.

It was narrated that Abu Hurairah said: A man came to the Prophet (ﷺ) while he was delivering a Khutbah from the Minbar, and he said: ‘If I fight in the cause of Allah with patience and seeking reward, facing the enemy and not running away, do you think that Allah will forgive my sins?’ He said: ‘Yes.’ Then he fell silent for a while. Then he said: ‘Where is the one who was asking just now?’ The man said: ‘Here I am.’ He said: ‘What did you say?’ He said: ‘What did you say?’ He said: ‘I said: I said: If I fight in the cause of Allah with patience and seeking reward, facing the enemy and not running away, do you think that Allah will forgive my sins?’ He said: ‘Yes, except for debt you are yet to settle. Jibril told me that just now.’

Here the Prophet (ﷺ) tells how Gabriel told him to make an exception to the general statement he had just made. There are other examples of the kind, all of which prove that the story of the blind man was no exception.

It is Allah that decides and control when and how a revelation will happen. The prophet has no control over those.

There are times the revelation came just when the question was asked but on other occasions revelation clarifying certain issues did not come for many days. An example is when the Quraish based on the feedback of the Jews asked him certain questions the Prophet (ﷺ) said, “I will give you your answer tomorrow” but forgot to say “If Allah will,” and, therefore, had to wait for fifteen days before Gabriel brought to him the answers to those questions. Another case in point is the incident of false accusation against Prophet’s (ﷺ) beloved wife when the Prophet (ﷺ) had to suffer for over a month before verses exonerating her came. The prophet would not have endured the agony of false accusation against his wife if he was the one producing or formulating the verses of the Quran himself or if he gets the verses from any of his companions (a rejoinder of the Umar issue) you mentioned before.

advocatejare:
That is a lie you have been told for many years but it has been exposed. Right from the time of Muhammad we saw how people made claim of inspiring Muhammad to reveal the Quran.
Umar did and the blind man even corrected Allah

Narrated By 'Umar (bin Al-Khattab)
My Lord agreed with me in three things:
1. I said,"O Allah's Apostle, I wish we took the station of Abraham as our praying place (for some of our prayers). So came the Divine Inspiration: And take you (people) the station of Abraham as a place of prayer (for some of your prayers e.g.two Rakat of Tawaf of Ka'ba)". (2.125)
2. And as regards the (verse of) the veiling of the women, I said, 'O Allah's Apostle! I wish you ordered your wives to cover themselves from the men because good and bad ones talk to them.' So the verse of the veiling of the women was revealed.
3. Once the wives of the Prophet made a united front against the Prophet and I said to them, 'It may be if he (the Prophet) divorced you, (all) that his Lord (Allah) will give him instead of you wives better than you.' So this verse (the same as I had said) was revealed." (66.5).
-Sahih Bukhari 1:8:395

The blind man who knew better than Allah !
Sahih al-Bukhari 4990
Narrated Al-Bara:
There was revealed: 'Not equal are those believers
who sit (at home) and those who strive and fight in the Cause of Allah.' (4.95) The Prophet said, "Call Zaid
for me and let him bring the board, the inkpot and the scapula bone (or the scapula bone and the ink pot)." Then he said, "Write: 'Not equal are those Believers who sit.", and at that time "Amr bin Um Maktum, the blind man was sitting behind the Prophet. He said, Allah's Apostle! What is your order For me (as regards the above Verse) as I am a blind man?" So, instead of the above Verse, the following Verse was revealed:
"Not equal are those believers who sit (at home)
except those who are disabled (by injury or are blind or lame etc.) and those who strive and fight in the causeof Allah.' (4.95)

Aisha also edited the Quran and wrote what she desired
Sunan Abi Dawud 410
Abu Yunus, the freed slave of 'Aishah said:
'Aishah commanded me to write for her come passage from the Qur'an. She also added: When you reach the following verse, inform me: "Be guardian of your prayers and of the midmost prayer" (2:238). When I reached it, I informed her. She asked me to write:"Be guardians of your prayers, and of the midmost prayer, and of the 'Asr prayer, and stand up with devotion of Allah" (2:238). 'Aishah then said: I heard it from the Messenger of Allah


You just repeated what I highlighted to you. The Quran verses you posted above shows that Muhammad was not given any signs as the sign was said to be with Allah. But the same Quran reported that Jesus was given signs/miracles


The same Allah that could not protect the Quran from being eaten by an ordinary sheep? Be deceiving yourself!
Sunan Ibn Majah 1944
It was narrated that 'Aishah said:
“The Verse of stoning and of breastfeeding an adult ten times was revealed1, and the paper was with me under my pillow. When the Messenger of Allah died, we were preoccupied with his death, and a tame sheep came in and ate it.”


If it does, then show us where Muhammad was said to have performed miracles in the Quran, at least we saw the miracles of Moses and Jesus, how come we can’t find any miracle of Muhammad in the Quran?



The lie that Muhammad could not read or write has been busted!

Narrated 'Ursa:
The Prophet wrote the (marriage contract) with 'Aisha while she was six years old and consummated his marriage with her while she was nine years old and she remained with him for nine years (i.e. till his death).
-(Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 7, Book 62, Number 88)


Narrated 'Ubaidullah bin 'Abdullah:
Ibn 'Abbas said, "When the ailment of the Prophet became worse, he said, 'Bring for me (writing) paper and I will write for you a statement after which you will not go astray.' But 'Umar said, 'The Prophet is seriously ill, and we have got Allah's Book with us and that is sufficient for us.' But the companions of the Prophet differed about this and there was a hue and cry. On that the Prophet said to them, 'Go away (and leave me alone). It is not right that you should quarrel in front of me." Ibn 'Abbas came out saying, ""It was most unfortunate (a great disaster) that Allah's Apostle was prevented from writing that statement for them because of their disagreement and noise.
- (Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 1, Book 3, Number 114)



If that is the case, how come the life and miracles of Jesus are recorded in the Quran and that of Muhammad isn’t?



All those lies have been refuted.


Muhammad plagiarized the Bible, it’s not a hidden fact. Have you read about Jabr?


Foolish embryology in the Quran
The foolish embryology in the Quran that only talks about sperm and not a single mention of the female egg.

Quran says that sperm develops in to a clot, that is foolishness, a sperm that has not fertilized any egg will die and not develop into a baby,

Try your god and put your sperm into a woman who has reached menopause and see it it will turn into a clot.

Allah is ignorant of embryology!

Semen in the womb for 40 days

Allah that was even ignorant that sperms are produced in the testes but exposed his ignorance by saying that sperms are produced from the between the backbone and the ribs

On your claim that sayyida Aisha edited the Quran and wrote what she likes. This is the verse that the hadith refers to.

Guard strictly your (habit of) prayers, especially the Middle Prayer; and stand before Allah in a devout (frame of mind).

As you can see from the verse above there is no mention of Asr prayer. You can check any Quran in the world, there is no where you will see Asr Prayer added in the verse.

Muslims pray 5 times daily Subhi, Zuhr, Asr, Magrib and Isha. And obviously the one in the middle is Asr. So Aisha is correct in the hadith but did she add it to the Quran as part of rhe Quran? No. The evidence is in the fact that there is no Quran on earth today that has Asr prayer added to the verse if you can find any please bring it forth. (Note, I am not talking of foot notes or comments that people who translate the Quran to different languages for wider dissemination added. The translation of the Quran is not the Quran. The Quran is the arabic text which is the original language with which the Quran was revealed. It is the word of God not the translation to English, Hausa, Yoruba or Igbo.

While at it, let me ask you a question.

The daily manna, Rhapsody of realities or the Awake. Are they the bible? The answer is obviously no. But they contain verses from the bible but that does not make them the bible.

What I am saying in essence is that, If you are to deliver a lecture on Christianity and you prepare a slide or pamphlets that contain verses or chapters from the bible relevant to the topic you want to discuss, you can add comments, footnotes to explain more on somethings or verses. But does your comments become part of the bible?

That is the case of Aisha’s comment that the middle prayer is Asr and she is definitely right. But did she add it as part of the Quran? No, because you cant find a Quran with it that contains it. Also the hadith made it clear that what she instructed the slave to right is some part of the Quran which she probably wants to use it to admonish people (Allah knows best since the hadith did not say what she was going to do with it) but what is clear is that she did not add to the Quran nor did she subtracted.