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Ibime:
You might as well tell me Ikpeba is greater than Yekini. Run to Wikipedia and pull up Ikpeba trophies won in Europe.

Oliseh record and performance with Super Eagles far far outmatches anything Mikel can bring to the table.

Oliseh never failed to qualify Super Eagles to AFCON like Obi did TWICE. Oliseh never failed to qualify Super Eagles to World Cup like Obi did TWICE. Oliseh never failed to take Super Eagles out of World Cup group stage like Obi did TWICE. Oliseh
never failed to make AFCON final like Obi did 6 times. Oliseh won the Olympics against more or less the same Brazil team that won the 2002 World Cup.

Arrogance of talking about something you never saw is not a good trait in a man. It's ego speaking.

Trophies and achievements are the major metric in rating players. That’s a fact.

Now let’s leave these major things and use individual awards.

Can you help me with Oliseh’s individual awards?

Jodera:
Same way Mikel is never Nigeria best ever player.

Thank you!!





EOD!!!

Inesta and Xavi better than Pedro.

Using achievements, trophies, individual awards and recognitions.

Now let’s use these metrics to compare Legend Mikel and Oliseh.

Bring his achievements and individual awards.

donstan18:
Trophies and achievements are the major metric in rating players. That’s a fact.

Now let’s leave these major things and use individual awards.

Can you help me with Oliseh’s individual awards?

What is Obis individual award. Your foolishness of youth about to speak again via Wikipedia. But before you quote any foolish award, ask yourself whether that award existed in the 1990s

donstan18:
Inesta and Xavi better than Pedro.

Using achievements, trophies, individual awards and recognitions.

Now let’s use these metrics to compare Legend Mikel and Oliseh.

Bring his achievements and individual awards.

fa fa fa..... Foul.


This is the template you and Amokachi is following and that's what you strictly followed.

Pedro is the greatest Spaniard to ever play same way Mikel is the greatest Nigerian to ever play


According to Amokachi and donstan18

Pedro>>>>>> Xavi and iniesta
Kovacic>>>>> modric

Ibime:
What is Obis individual award. Your foolishness of youth about to speak again via Wikipedia. But before you quote any foolish award, ask yourself whether that award existed in the 1990s

Real legends won lots of individual awards in the 1990s, insults won’t save you from this argument.

Bring out Oliseh’s individual awards. I dare you.

Jodera:
fa fa fa..... Foul.


This is the template you and Amokachi is following and that's what you strictly followed.

Pedro is the greatest Spaniard to ever play same way Mikel is the greatest Nigerian to ever play


According to Amokachi and donstan18

Pedro>>>>>> Xavi and iniesta

This one just dey cap.

Shame no gree you answer simple question.

donstan18:
This one just dey cap.

Shame no gree you answer simple question.

Oga, na your template I dey follow.
More laurels won is greatness

Pedro >>>> iniesta and Xavi

Excellent performance on biggest career games, trophies, individual awards, achievements and recognition.

Mikel >>> Oliseh

There’s no angle or metric you’ll use that Mikel won’t come out top.

Greatness!!!

Oga don dey shame for him template.

Pedro >>>> Xavi and iniesta (donstan18 and amokachi)

Pedro greatest Spanish player ever

donstan18:
Real legends won lots of individual awards in the 1990s, insults won’t save from argument.

Bring out Olisheh’s individual awards. I dare you.

Bring out Mikel's individual awards, let's examine them in comparison to Oliseh. You will start yapping about Under-20 Silver ball when Oliseh never played youth football for Nigeria, or will you start yapping about AFCON team of the tournament that never existed in Olisehs day that Oliseh will easily walk into?

Note this in closing. Oliseh was signed back-to-back by 3 recent UCL winners (Ajax, Juve and Dortmund). That's the equivalent today of a player going from Madrid to PSG to City to Bayern back to back to back.

Slowbie was made available for as little as £5m several times during his Chelsea career when he was unwanted by managers and nobody took the bait. The best we heard was interest from a decrepit InterMilan, while Mikel used his political connections at Chelsea to sit on his juicy contracts while hugging the bench and being unwanted by several managers from AVB to Benitez to Mourinho. The same Slowbie is bounced around Middlesborough to Trabzonspor to Stoke to China while Oliseh was going from UCL winner to UCL winner to UCL winner consistently.

Wikipedia can never tell you the value of a player you didn't watch.

Ibime:
Bring out Mikel's individual awards, let's examine them in comparison to Oliseh. You will start yapping about Under-20 Silver ball when Oliseh never played youth football for Nigeria, or will you start yapping about AFCON team of the tournament that never existed in Olisehs day that Oliseh will easily walk into?

Note this in closing. Oliseh was signed back-to-back by 3 recent UCL winners (Ajax, Juve and Dortmund). That's the equivalent today of a player going from Madrid to PSG to City to Bayern back to back to back.

Slowbie was made available for as little as £5m several times during his Chelsea career when he was unwanted by managers and nobody took the bait. The best we heard was interest from a decrepit InterMilan, while Mikel used his political connections at Chelsea to sit on his juicy contracts while hugging the bench and being unwanted by several managers from AVB to Benitez to Mourinho. The same Slowbie is bounced around Middlesborough to Trabzonspor to Stoke to China while Oliseh was going from UCL winner to UCL winner consistently.

Wikipedia can never tell you the value of a player you didn't watch.

Words on Marble.


The bolded na the perfect conclusion

Ibime:
Bring out Mikel's individual awards, let's examine them in comparison to Oliseh. You will start yapping about Under-20 Silver ball when Oliseh never played youth football for Nigeria, or will you start yapping about AFCON team of the tournament that never existed in Olisehs day that Oliseh will easily walk into?

Note this in closing. Oliseh was signed back-to-back by 3 recent UCL winners (Ajax, Juve and Dortmund). That's the equivalent today of a player going from Madrid to PSG to City to Bayern back to back to back.

Slowbie was made available for as little as £5m several times during his Chelsea career when he was unwanted by managers and nobody took the bait. The best we heard was interest from a decrepit InterMilan, while Mikel used his political connections at Chelsea to sit on his juicy contracts while hugging the bench and being unwanted by several managers from AVB to Benitez to Mourinho. The same Slowbie is bounced around Middlesborough to Trabzonspor to Stoke to China while Oliseh was going from UCL winner to UCL winner to UCL winner consistently.

Wikipedia can never tell you the value of a player you didn't watch.

The thing is; you’re not consistent with the metric you use in rating players. You switch to win argument with anyone that seems to suite you.

All of a sudden, recognition top clubs matters now because Hoe-Lisa is involved?

Isn’t this the same metric you keep disputing when the likes of Jorginho and Busquet get rated over Hojberg here because of the clubs they play for? How many time have you criticized Hojberg for not getting recognized by top clubs in Europe?

Mikel’s awards? Chelsea young player of the year.. 2007/08

Runner up in African footballer of the year.

Can I see Hoe-Lisa getting these recognitions?

Again I’ll say, there’s no metric of rating and comparing players that Legend Mikel won’t top Hoe-Lisa, absolutely none.

Super Eagles become very useless immediately Mikel retired.

Jodera:
Words on Marble.


The bolded na the perfect conclusion

This is Diego Someones only individual award despite being easily one of the top 5 or ten DMs in the 1990s, which is Oliseh era

Yet the arrogant young man is asking me to go to Wikipedia and compare Obis awards to Oliseh. Only experience will tell you we didn't have much awards then, and not the kind of awards that defensive midfielders collect easily.

I would soon be told Obi is greater than Simeone by the arrogant young man given Simeone never won UCL nor any individual awards. Same UCL criteria he used to place Drogba above R9. Ego speaking.

timbros:
Play one. Bench one. Bin one.

Purely as DM. Number 4.

John mikel obi before anybody in this world and beyond.

popizaino:
John mikel obi before anybody in this world and beyond.

You know ball

donstan18:
Mikel’s awards? Chelsea young player of the year.. 2007/08.

Name one young player in Chelsea first team squad in 2007/2008

donstan18:
Runner up in African footballer of the year.

Wikipedia did not show you that Oliseh pretty much did the same in 1998 without even playing AFCON, just based on his European and World Cup performance alone.

Mikel was sent forth from Nigeria because they needed to recognise our Nations Cup win, and he was the only senior man there. Even local league player like Sunday Mba far outperformed him in that tournament

Ibime:
This is Diego Someones only individual award despite being easily one of the top 5 or ten DMs in the 1990s, which is Oliseh era

Yet the arrogant young man is asking me to go to Wikipedia and compare Obis awards to Oliseh. Only experience will tell you we didn't have much awards then, and not the kind of awards that defensive midfielders collect easily.

I would soon be told Obi is greater than Simeone by the arrogant young man given Simeone never won UCL nor any individual awards. Same UCL criteria he used to place Drogba above R9. Ego speaking.

Na mostly Wikipedia analysts speaking.

That was how a Messi fan I was arguing with offline was saying Messi is the greatest ever player because of the 7 world best he won as against Pele 2 abi 3. I've to cut him short saying during Pele prime years, balon d'Or was given to only Europeans and world best didn't come in his career at all.

Most of these things comes from experience and even watching the game. That's why Wikipedia analysts will tell us Giroud is the greatest striker France have ever produced because of his Europa like say top clubs even send Europa before

Ibime:
Name one young player in Chelsea first team squad in 2007/2008



Wikipedia did not show you that Oliseh pretty much did the same in 1998 without even playing AFCON, just based on his European and World Cup performance alone.

Mikel was sent forth from Nigeria because they needed to recognise our Nations Cup win, and he was the only senior man there. Even local league player like Sunday Mba far outperformed him in that tournament

Hoe-Lisa came 3rd, not 2nd. Mike is still bossing him in that settings.

You discredit Mikel coming 2nd, but wants to rate Hoe-Lisa for coming 3rd in the same award. Lmao!! In this case, you’re clearly and obviously sentimental, else you’ll be stating logical facts and stats like you do to backup your argument.

Mikel >>> Hoe-Lisa

In all aspect.

Someone that scored just 2 goals for Nigeria for 9 years shouldn’t be compared to this Legend.

Ibime:
Some of us have been supporting Chelsea since Coors Light was our sponsor, before Autoglass and then Emirates took over.

Tuwale baba.

donstan18:
Hoe-Lisa came 3rd, not 2nd. Mike is still bossing him in that settings.

You discredit Mikel coming 2nd, but wants to rate Hoe-Lisa for coming 3rd in the same award. Lmao!!

Based on this, Amuneke, Ikpeba and Moustapha Hadji > Okocha. Discuss.

At least we know Oliseh won his for performance on the pitch not for being the senior man in an AFCON winning team after riding the bench for Chelsea the whole year of 2013 and being thoroughly outperformed in the same tournament for which he was recognised by Warri Wolves player Sunday Mba.

Unlimited22:
Go look up Ibrahima Sangare. You were there when spurs signed Bissouma for 25m but you wán carry 100m buy Basmati.

Ndidi's passing can be worked on because that's the only thing lacking in his game. Ruben Névés is not a DM but he's better defensively Than J5.

We must not sign Rice. If he comes, we go support am, but that doesn't mean we won't point out how absurd a fee that is, especially for a DM, and when we need at least two centre halves, at least one winger, and a good backup for James.

It is the basmati for me

Jodera:
Na mostly Wikipedia analysts speaking.

That was how a Messi fan I was arguing with offline was saying Messi is the greatest ever player because of the 7 world best he won as against Pele 2 abi 3. I've to cut him short saying during Pele prime years, balon d'Or was given to only Europeans and world best didn't come in his career at all.

Most of these things comes from experience and even watching the game. That's why Wikipedia analysts will tell us Giroud is the greatest striker France have ever produced because of his Europa like say top clubs even send Europa before

Because he won Europa Coward Henry couldn’t win, e dey pain you.


Relax first, he’s just 3 goals away from breaking Coward Henry’s National goals. Just relax

He’s got more European trophies than Arsenal.

Ibime:
Based on this, Amuneke, Ikpeba and Moustapha Hadji > Okocha. Discuss.

At least we know Oliseh won his for performance on the pitch not for being the senior man in an AFCON winning team after riding the bench for Chelsea the whole year of 2013 and being thoroughly outperformed in the same tournament for which he was recognised by Warri Wolves player Sunday Mba.

That 1998 was the Kay time Hoe-Lisa scored for Super Eagles, infact that was the only year he ever scored for Super Eagles.

But such person should be rated against a Legend like Mikel who bossed the midfield in the two biggest game of his career?

Never!

donstan18:
That 1998 was the Kay time Hoe-Lisa scored for Super Eagles, infact that was the only year he ever scored for Super Eagles.

But such person should be rated against a Legend like Mikel who bossed the midfield in the two biggest game of his career?

Never!

Oliseh won his award by being integral to Ajax double, finishing 17 points above PSV and trashing the same PSV 5-0 in the cup final, and also for his world cup performance

For the record, Mikel Obi only started 10 league games for Chelsea in the whole year of 2013. Both Benitez and Mourinho didn't like him

Same 2013, he placed second in African POTY thanks to the performance of this Warri Wolves player that helped Nigeria win AFCON

That's the definition of a SENIOR MAN polling booth award like the ones Dani Alves still used to win 5 years after practical retirement

Ibime:
Oliseh won his award by being integral to Ajax double, finishing 17 points above PSV and trashing the same PSV 5-0 in the cup final, and also for his world cup performance

For the record, Mikel Obi only started 10 league games for Chelsea in the whole year of 2013. Both Benitez and Mourinho didn't like him

Same 2013, he placed second in African POTY thanks to the performance of this Warri Wolves player that helped Nigeria win AFCON

That's the definition of a SENIOR MAN polling booth award like the ones Dani Alves still used to win 5 years after practical retirement

2012/13, Mikel Obi made 38 appearances for Chelsea.

Did well in Afcon and won it.

They robbed him that award.

Everyone knows this.

donstan18:
2012/13, Mikel Obi made 38 appearances for Chelsea.

Did well in Afcon and won it.

They robbed him that award.

Everyone knows this.

Everybody knows that Benitez was in seat at Chelsea from late 2012 and saw out 2013 and Mourinho was in seat from August 2013 and both thoroughly hated Mikel. Mikel is even lucky that Oriol Romeu copped a knee ligament injury otherwise he wouldn't have made bench cos Benitez had already thrown him away for Romeu before that unfortunate injury allowed him to play here and there. Both these managers would rather play David Luiz in midfield than Mikel. This is the difference between those who know offhand and Wikipedia analysts.

How can a useless player who rode bench all year and whose club managers will rather play centrebacks in midfield have been robbed.

Mikel Obi only started 10 league games in the year 2013. That was the year he placed second in African POTY. Prove me wrong.

Ibime:
Everybody knows that Benitez was in seat at Chelsea from late 2012 and saw out 2013 and Mourinho was in seat from August 2013 and both thoroughly hated Mikel. Mikel is even lucky that Oriol Romeu copped a knee ligament injury otherwise he wouldn't have made bench cos Benitez had already thrown him away for Romeu before that unfortunate injury allowed him to play here and there. Both these managers would rather play David Luiz in midfield than Mikel. This is the difference between those who know offhand and Wikipedia analysts.

Mikel Obi only started 10 league games in the year 2013. That was the year he placed second in African POTY. Prove me wrong.

Fact remains that he placed second in 2013 African Award and won 2013 Afcon with European trophy too.

Another fact remains that he made 38 appearances 2012/13 season and also made 36 appearances in 2013/14.

Bench warmers don’t make 74 appearances in 2 seasons for a club, winning National major trophy and European trophy.

donstan18:
Fact remains that he placed second in 2013 African Award and won 2013 Afcon with European trophy too.

Another fact remains that he made 38 appearances 2012/13 season and also made 36 appearances in 2013/14.

Bench warmers don’t make 74 appearances in 2 seasons for a club, winning National major trophy and European trophy.

Fact remains most of his appearances in 2012/13 came in 2012 where he disgraced Chelsea out of the UCL group stage and had us overran in midfield and slipped off the league.

Fact remains he was so useless as the only natural DM that Oriol Romeu a youth player was brought in to kick him away, and when Oriol Romeu got injured, managers made do with David Luiz in midfield or brought non-DMs in Ramires and Lampard to reprise the role. And everytime these managers went to beg for new DM, Emenalo shut them down to protect his brother, yet as the only DM in the squad, he still could not start more than 10 league games that calendar year, which is an utter disgrace.

Your 5 minutes cameo appearances at the end of the match won't help you escape the fact that Mikel Slowbie only started 10 league games in the Year of our Lord 2013, and won African 2nd best POTY as a POLLING BOOTH award for Sunday Mbas match winning performances in AFCON.

Sunday Oliseh will be damned to be the only senior DM in a club and have Oriol Romeu, David Luiz , Lampard and Ramires preferred to him all year in the DM position. That's how inept Slowbie was at the DM position outside the bus parking setup of RDMs UCL run. We thank God for the introduction of Onazi to Super Eagles that finally brought stability to the defensive midfield for 2013 AFCON after that escort had been disgracing us back to back in that position for 9 years.

Ibime:
Fact remains most of his appearances in 2012/13 came in 2012 where he disgraced Chelsea out of the UCL and had us overran in midfield and slipped off the league.

Fact remains he was so useless as the only natural DM that Oriol Romeu a youth player was brought in to kick him away, and when Oriol Romeu got injured, managers made do with David Luiz in midfield or brought non-DMs in Ramires and Lampard to reprise the role. And everytime these managers went to beg for new DM, Emenalo shut them down to protect his brother, yet as the only DM in the squad, he still could not start more than 10 league games that calendar year, which is an utter disgrace.

Your 5 minutes cameo appearances at the end of the match won't help you escape the fact that Mikel Slowbie only started 10 league games in the Year of our Lord 2013, and won African 2nd best POTY as a POLLING BOOTH award for Sunday Mbas match winning performances in AFCON.

2011/2012, Mikel made 37 appearances, we both know what he did in they UCL.

While we count the 2012 he “Disgraced” Chelsea according to you, should we also count the fact the he won UCL in that 2012 by not getting carried?

I’ll say it again...

Individual awards, trophies, level of success, achievements and anything you can’t to use, Mike will top Hoe-Lisa.

There’s no rank or list that Mikel won’t come first before Hoe-Lisa.

These are facts. They’re clear, they’re out there, sentiment can’t change them.