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donstan18:
2011/2012, Mikel made 37 appearances, we both know what he did in they UCL.

While we count the 2012 he “Disgraced” Chelsea according to you, should we also count the fact the he won UCL in that 2012 by not getting carried?

I’ll say it again...

Individual awards, trophies, level of success, achievements and anything you can’t to use, Mike will top Hoe-Lisa.

There’s no rank or list that Mikel won’t come first before Hoe-Lisa.

These are facts. They’re clear, they’re out there, sentiment can’t change them.

I simply asked you to prove me wrong that Mikel only started 10 league games in the year 2013, and based on that, his African POTY 2nd place is fugazi. Cut the shalaye. I am waiting for your proof.

Adding up 5 mins appearances won't cut it. Thats the story of Mikel's career that looks good to you Wikipedia analysts cos Wikipedia won't tell you 80% of those appearances are at the end of match. First bench nigga to compete for African POTY. What a disgrace to Africa to allow a bench rider that can't displace Oriol Romeu and David Luiz from DM to compete for POTY.

For the record, the performance of Oliseh in AFCON 1994 tournament has never been matched before or since by any Nigerian midfielder. 5 assists in 5 games playing as a DM. Give-I-give escorts will never come close to this man who protects his defence with tenacity and speed, controls the game in midfield and supplies his strikers aplenty like Pirlo. This is all while playing DM. Anyone should show me a better tournament played by a Super Eagles midfielder ever. I will wait. What eyes have seen, Wikipedia will not tell you.


Final vs Zambia - winning assist

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Semifinal vs Ivory Coast - preassist for equalizer

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Quarterfinal vs Zaire - two winning assists

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Group stage vs Gabon - two winning assists

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raumdeuter:
I told guys here that Upamecano was trash and Konate was better only that he was more injury prone

Yep. You did say that.

Ibime:
For the record, the performance of Oliseh in AFCON 1994 tournament has never been matched before or since by any Nigerian midfielder. 5 assists in 5 games playing as a DM. Give-I-give escorts will never come close to this man who protects his defence with tenacity and speed, controls the game in midfield and supplies his strikers aplenty like Pirlo. This is all while playing DM. Anyone should show me a better tournament played by a Super Eagles midfielder ever. I will wait. What eyes have seen, Wikipedia will not tell you.


Final vs Zambia - winning assist

https://gifrun.com/programs/temp/c9027578f1354a34bc388958e1070cf0.gif

Semifinal vs Ivory Coast - preassist for equalizer

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Quarterfinal vs Zaire - two winning assists

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Group stage vs Gabon - two winning assists

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https://j.gifs.com/P7AnW6.gif

Lmao! Which one be PK assist, Pre-assist and post-assist nh?

donstan18:
Lmao! Which one be PK assist, Pre-assist and post-assist nh?

Your eyes can at least view 4 clean assists there plus one pass that led to a penalty. But as usual, you went to Wikipedia to tell you what your eyes can see korokoro, further outlining your foolishness of relying on Wikipedia to argue things you never saw. Which of the four incidents below are not clean assists by any standard?


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https://j.gifs.com/P7AnW6.gif

Ibime:
Your eyes can at least view 4 clean assists there plus one pass that led to a penalty. But as usual, you went to Wikipedia to tell you what your eyes can see korokoro, further outlining your foolishness of relying on Wikipedia to argue things you never saw. Which of the four incidents below are not clean assists by any standard?


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https://gifrun.com/programs/temp/72d3ec03d23d4595b3eae973ec54de8e.gif

https://gifrun.com/programs/temp/fce00be1f1084c3aae71d3653b815081.gif

https://j.gifs.com/P7AnW6.gif

But you said he had 5 assists? Why 4 now?

And then, why is it always okay for you to bring stats from sites to troll Jorginho, but you fume when it’s used against your favorite players?

You also brought out stats to discredit Mikel’s game starting in 2013, now you don’t like Wiki stats again?

Stats said this, you initially said 5 assists. Who should we believe now?

donstan18:
But you said he had 5 assists? Why 4 now?

And then, why is it always okay for you to bring stats from sites to troll Jorginho, but you fume when it’s used against your favorite players?

You also brought out stats to discredit Mikel’s game starting in 2013, now you don’t like Wiki stats again?

Stats said this, you initially said 5 assists. Who should we believe now?

You are being foolish and arguing for argument sake.

There is a reason Whoscored do not provide stats before 2009 and that's because data has become reliable as we make advancements in time.

Mikel starting only 10 games in 2013 is a fact as is all the data collected over Jorginhos career and I can quote them anywhere.

You cannot pull Wikipedia and tell me Oliseh only made two assists in AFCON 2014 when your eyes can see four clean ones. Some of those sites will even tell you data before a certain time may or may not be reliable. Opta was only founded in 1996 for example, long after this AFCON and probably didn't come to consencus and trustworthiness until deep into the internet era. Data those days relies on a journalist at the ground maybe sending a Teletext to BBC. And that's one the problem foolish young people make when comparing players from different eras by looking at Wikipedia, stats or awards.

It doesn't matter whether you call it 4 or 5 assists. I added the penalty assist and the preassist to show his influence. Anyone who watched the Ivory Coast game will understand the importance of that preassist because Ivory Coast were giving us hot and that goal made the score 2-2, after which we went on to win on penalties. All these attempts at distraction won't take away from the fact the Slowbie escort has never played a tournament for Super Eagles remotely comparable to this. Nigeria scored 9 goals in 5 games in that tournament and Oliseh was key to 6 of them, including 4 clean assists, a penalty assist and a preassist. Simple.

Ibime:
You are being foolish and arguing for argument sake.

There is a reason Whoscored do not provide stats before 2009 and that's because data has become reliable as we make advancements in time.

Mikel starting only 10 games in 2013 is a fact as is all the data collected over Jorginhos career and I can quote them anywhere.

You cannot pull Wikipedia and tell me Oliseh only made two assists in AFCON 2014 when your eyes can see four clean ones. Some of those sites will even tell you data before a certain time may or may not be reliable. Opta was only founded in 1996 for example, long after this AFCON and probably didn't come to consencus and trustworthiness until deep into the internet era. Data those days relies on a journalist at the ground maybe sending a Teletext to BBC. And that's one the problem foolish young people make when comparing players from different eras by looking at Wikipedia, stats or awards.

It doesn't matter whether you call it 4 or 5 assists. I added the penalty assist and the preassist to show his influence. Anyone who watched the Ivory Coast game will understand the importance of that preassist because Ivory Coast were giving us hot and that goal made the score 2-2, after which we went on to win on penalties. All these attempts at distraction won't take away from the fact the Slowbie escort has never played a tournament for Super Eagles remotely comparable to this.

Any sincere person will agree that I’m the one dropping facts here and you’re being sentimental.

One thing you failed to understand is that you liking Hoe-Lisa over Legend Mikel doesn’t change the fact that Mikel is bigger, better and greater.

Incase you don’t get my point, you liking Hojberg doesn’t mean Busquet and Jorginho aren’t bigger and greater footballers, you dig?

It’s a fact that your sentiment will never ever change, you just have to admit that.

Since we started this argument, your point has been “I watched Hoe-Lisa and won’t do Wikipedia type of shiit”. Football don’t work that way, you must always and always understand that even someone that started watching match during Pep Barcelona time can thoroughly school you on how Busquet is a better DM than Oliseh and win you hands down before the crowd, but you’ll pick Oliseh over Busquet, these are simple stuffs!

You don’t even know when I started watching football, you can’t even guess if asked.

Facts don’t lie, online stats exist for a reason, you use it a lot, that’s why you brought the videos to defend him, you dig online stats to backup arguments, but how you’re always quick to switch to “Eye test” when stats don’t suit your agenda needs to be studied.

I’ll said it again, there’s no metric you’ll use that Mikel won’t top Hoe-Lisa, absolutely none.

Individual awards
Individual stats
Trophies
Recognition
Achievements

Legend Mikel will top every football list ahead of Oliseh. Respect this Legend, his retirement is the reason we’ve been flopping since.

donstan18:
Any sincere person will agree that I’m the one dropping facts here and you’re being sentimental.

One thing you failed to understand is that you liking Hoe-Lisa over Legend Mikel doesn’t change the fact that Mikel is bigger, better and greater.

Incase you don’t get my point, you liking Hojberg doesn’t mean Busquet and Jorginho aren’t bigger and greater footballers, you dig?

It’s a fact that your sentiment will never ever change, you just have to admit that.

Since we started this argument, your point has been “I watched Hoe-Lisa and won’t do Wikipedia type of shiit”. Football don’t work that way, you must always and always understand that even someone that started watching match during Pep Barcelona time can thoroughly school you on how Busquet is a better DM than Oliseh and win you hands down before the crowd, but you’ll pick Oliseh over Busquet, these are simple stuffs!

You don’t even know when I started watching football, you can’t even guess if asked.

Facts don’t lie, online stats exist for a reason, you use it a lot, you dig online stats to backup arguments, but how you’re always quick to switch to “Eye test” when stats don’t suit your agenda needs to be studied.

I’ll said it again, there’s no metric you’ll use that Mikel won’t top Hoe-Lisa, absolutely none.

Individual awards
Individual stats
Trophies
Recognition
Achievements

Legend Mikel will top every football list ahead of Oliseh. Respect this Legend, he’s retirement is the reason we’ve been flopping since.

I gave you 3 key things to prove to me.

1. That Slowbi started more than 10 league games in 2013 calendar year when he placed second in African POTY. You have been jumping upandan since. This completely blows any credibility to that award.

2. Chelsea Young Player of the year award for 2007/2008 which you put up as evidence of Obis greatness, I asked you which young players were in Chelsea first-team squad in that year. FYI, only Salomon Kalou, but then again you are not very bright so I don't expect you to see something and understand it's import because you probably do not know the make-up of Chelsea first team squad in 2008 as intimately as I do, to know your arguments are founded on a pack of sawdust. WTF does Mikel winning Chelsea Young Player of the Year against Salomon Kalou mean to anyone with any iota of intelligence? I will leave unsaid an obvious fact here that Oliseh was most likely the best player in his teams as evidenced by the fact he got the big moves but Wikipedia won't tell you there probably wasn't online voting for Cologne, Liege or Ajax POTY back then in an era when people didn't even have mobile phones talkless of internet.

3. Which of those 4 Oliseh assists do you want to cancel to agree with your Wikipedia stats that he only gave 2 assists. Again, another proof that you are out of your depth relying on Wikipedia to tell you the value of Oliseh from a time-period you never witnessed.

Meanwhile, I showed you with visual evidence Olisehs impact on a tournament. You are now telling me Nigeria has done nothing since Obi, when Obis 14 year tenure was characterized by unthinkable failures and disgraces like repeatedly failing to qualify for AFCON and World Cup, and only success was in 2013, while Olisehs tenure was success upon success. If Abacha had not got Super Eagles banned from AFCON in 1996 and 1998, I'm sure Oliseh would have 3 AFCONS, at the very least 2 AFCONS to his name, another fact you probably have no idea of. Too many gaps in your knowledge.

At every turn, you have exhibited stùpidity, but want to force it through with agidi. Go to sleep, you can't prove agidi with me.

Oju ogun le!

Jodera:
fa fa fa..... Foul.


This is the template you and Amokachi is following and that's what you strictly followed.

Pedro is the greatest Spaniard to ever play same way Mikel is the greatest Nigerian to ever play


According to Amokachi and donstan18

Pedro>>>>>> Xavi and iniesta
Kovacic>>>>> modric

Context matters here. Iniesta and Xavi won everything Pedro has as well so the number of times they were won doesn’t matter anymore in comparison, whereas, Oliseh had no ucl or Europa cup. Ibime keep talking of his team achievement forgetting that the super eagles he played were more talented compared to the one Mikel played alongside.

Ibime vs donstan18

Dey argue with person wey rate Drogba over De Lima.

Lmao

Skimpledawg Unlimited22 donstan18

Rivers United don win league with 4 matches to spare. Who go attend the next home match to see the Cup?

They are playing Nassarawa away today.

As Enyimba fan, I dey vex but I go still go the next home game sha.

hensben:
Context matters here. Iniesta and Xavi won everything Pedro has as well so the number of times they were won doesn’t matter anymore in comparison, whereas, Oliseh had no ucl or Europa cup. Ibime keep talking of his team achievement forgetting that the super eagles he played were more talented compared to the one Mikel played alongside.

Show me Xavi and iniesta EPL, Carling and Europa?

If not
Pedro>>>Xavi and iniesta (Amokachi and donst.an18)

donstan18:
Because he won Europa Coward Henry couldn’t win, e dey pain you.


Relax first, he’s just 3 goals away from breaking Coward Henry’s National goals. Just relax

He’s got more European trophies than Arsenal.

Lol, coward Henry can't win Europa same way coward Messi can't win Europa.

Very soon na here I dey wait when you go tell me pukki get more league titles than mount since pukki don win div2 championship 2-3times.

Na just matter of time

Ibime:
You are being foolish and arguing for argument sake.

There is a reason Whoscored do not provide stats before 2009 and that's because data has become reliable as we make advancements in time.

Mikel starting only 10 games in 2013 is a fact as is all the data collected over Jorginhos career and I can quote them anywhere.

You cannot pull Wikipedia and tell me Oliseh only made two assists in AFCON 2014 when your eyes can see four clean ones. Some of those sites will even tell you data before a certain time may or may not be reliable. Opta was only founded in 1996 for example, long after this AFCON and probably didn't come to consencus and trustworthiness until deep into the internet era. Data those days relies on a journalist at the ground maybe sending a Teletext to BBC. And that's one the problem foolish young people make when comparing players from different eras by looking at Wikipedia, stats or awards.

It doesn't matter whether you call it 4 or 5 assists. I added the penalty assist and the preassist to show his influence. Anyone who watched the Ivory Coast game will understand the importance of that preassist because Ivory Coast were giving us hot and that goal made the score 2-2, after which we went on to win on penalties. All these attempts at distraction won't take away from the fact the Slowbie escort has never played a tournament for Super Eagles remotely comparable to this. Nigeria scored 9 goals in 5 games in that tournament and Oliseh was key to 6 of them, including 4 clean assists, a penalty assist and a preassist. Simple.

According to you mikel started only 10 games in 2013 ,I guess that should be the 2012-2013 season ?

I need your answers before I get back to you

Because mikel started 19 games in the 2012-2013 season ,that was when Nigeria won the afcon ,he missed some Chelsea games due to injury and being out for the afcon

The proof is here man ,but I will wait for you to be specific with the season first .

hensben:
Context matters here. Iniesta and Xavi won everything Pedro has as well so the number of times they were won doesn’t matter anymore in comparison, whereas, Oliseh had no ucl or Europa cup. Ibime keep talking of his team achievement forgetting that the super eagles he played were more talented compared to the one Mikel played alongside.

Olise won the afcon with a more talented super eagles team and we no go hear word ?

Mikel won the afcon with the likes of Sunday mba ,Juwon oshaniwa,oboabona who are all naija league based players and mixed with enyeama musa emenike and co

andrewbaba44:
According to you mikel started only 10 games in 2013 ,I guess that should be the 2012-2013 season ?

I need your answers before I get back to you

Because mikel started 19 games in the 2012-2013 season ,that was when Nigeria won the afcon ,he missed some Chelsea games due to injury and being out for the afcon

The proof is here man ,but I will wait for you to be specific with the season first .

10 league games in 2013 calendar year.

The bolded are the keys and context in the argument.

Jodera:
10 league games in 2013 calendar year.

The bolded are the keys and context in the argument.

Na only that year una wan use against mikel ?

Do you want to see how Olise was chopping bench at the 2001-2002 season at Dortmund ,where is started only 11 league games ,na this player better pass mikel in what aspect ?

What about 2002-2003 season where Olise was not making match day squad in numerous occasions before he was shipped to an ekuke Bochum on Loan ,na this player better pass mikel ?

Failed at juventus and not a regular at BVB ?

Man was sacked by Dortmund because of poor performance and fighting with a teammate

andrewbaba44:
Olise won the afcon with a more talented super eagles team and we no go hear word ?

Mikel won the afcon with the likes of Sunday mba ,Juwon oshaniwa,oboabona who are all naija league based players and mixed with enyeama musa emenike and co

As in, I tire for Ibime. Mikel is slow and was in chelsea because of Emenalo and his wife who is a Ukrainian. Lol. Mikel started ucl final against Bayern and won is not talked about, started FA cup final against Man U and won is nothing to Ibime, he was super eagles best player in fifa confederation cup by creating a lot of chances which was wasted unlike Oliseh that had Yekini, Amokachi, Siasia, Kanu, Amunike, Finidi and ikpeba in front of him. Make we Dey fear God for this board. Today na Sunday.

Jodera:
Show me Xavi and iniesta EPL, Carling and Europa?

If not
Pedro>>>Xavi and iniesta (Amokachi and donst.an18)

Did Xavi and iniesta play in epl why would I show you what they didn’t participate in. The way Una Dey reason football for this board at times dey shocking. La liga is equivalent to epl and they won it number of times.

andrewbaba44:
Na only that year una wan use against mikel ?

Do you want to see how Olise was chopping bench at the 2001-2002 season at Dortmund ,where is started only 11 league games ,na this player better pass mikel in what aspect ?

What about 2002-2003 season where Olise was not making match day squad in numerous occasions before he was shipped to an ekuke Bochum on Loan ,na this player better pass mikel ?

Failed at juventus and not a regular at BVB ?

Man was sacked by Dortmund because of poor performance and fighting with a teammate

That was the year in context na. That was the year Mikel was given Africa 2nd best and ibi.me was saying that someone who has 10 league starts in that year in his club is a slap on CAF face. There's a reason Donstan.18 didn't refute that.

I thought you read the preceding posts that led to that post reason why I wanted to even clarify you. if you feel those two key bolded I highlighted was false with what ibim.e brought, then you can go on with your earlier plans you had to counter him.

andrewbaba44:
Na only that year una wan use against mikel ?

Do you want to see how Olise was chopping bench at the 2001-2002 season at Dortmund ,where is started only 11 league games ,na this player better pass mikel in what aspect ?

What about 2002-2003 season where Olise was not making match day squad in numerous occasions before he was shipped to an ekuke Bochum on Loan ,na this player better pass mikel ?

Failed at juventus and not a regular at BVB ?

Man was sacked by Dortmund because of poor performance and fighting with a teammate

Nor mind them. They are even saying Mikel will not start in that super eagles team. Lol. Oliseh DM, Mikel CM, Okocha CAM will dominate. Not because he can not play DM or CAM but because he is a utility midfielder.

hensben:
Did Xavi and iniesta play in epl why would I show you what they didn’t participate in. The way Una Dey reason football for this board at times dey shocking. La liga is equivalent to epl and they won it number of times.

Lol, so you know this but you want people to bring afcon ToTT that wasn't in existence in Oliseh days to elevate Mikel because he was privileged such award was in his time. You're bringing afcon win when abacha banned Nigeria from participating in afcon during Oliseh days after he still won the 94 nation's cup.

See, you guys logic is simple and that's what I'm following. If you feel strapping the seatbelt in bench and winning laurels is what makes you greater than those whose abilities shines through on the field of play, then, you should agree that...

Pedro >>>>>> Xavi and iniesta

donstan18:
Just compare prime Hazard and Chukuwueze, you’ll see Assnal fans making case for Chukwueze that he’s better.

I’ve never see anti-Chelsea fans as bitter over Chelsea matters as Assnal fans.

Still pains them that we’ve won UCL twice when they’ve won none? Or could it be because most of their players that joined Chelsea excelled and achieved a lot? Who knows.

After today, observe their opinions here whenever Chelsea players start getting compared to other players.

I'm surprised you are just knowing this.

Ibime:
I gave you 3 key things to prove to me.

1. That Slowbi started more than 10 league games in 2013 calendar year when he placed second in African POTY. You have been jumping upandan since. This completely blows any credibility to that award.

2. Chelsea Young Player of the year award for 2007/2008 which you put up as evidence of Obis greatness, I asked you which young players were in Chelsea squad in that year. FYI, only Salomon Kalou, but then again you are not very bright so I don't expect you to see something and understand it's import because you probably do not know the make-up of Chelsea first team squad in 2008 as intimately as I do, to know your arguments are founded on a pack of sawdust. WTF does Mikel winning Chelsea Young Player of the Year against Salomon Kalou mean to anyone with any iota of intelligence? I will leave unsaid an obvious fact here that Oliseh was most likely the best player in his teams as evidenced by the fact he got the big moves but Wikipedia won't tell you there probably wasn't online voting for Cologne, Liege or Ajax POTY back then in an era when people didn't even have mobile phones talkless of internet.

3. Which of those 4 Oliseh assists do you want to cancel to agree with your Wikipedia stats that he only gave 2 assists. Again, another proof that you are out of your depth relying on Wikipedia to tell you the value of Oliseh from a time-period you never witnessed.

Meanwhile, I showed you with visual evidence Olisehs impact on a tournament. You are now telling me Nigeria has done nothing since Obi, when Obis 14 year tenure was characterized by unthinkable failures and disgraces like repeatedly failing to qualify for AFCON and World Cup, and only success was in 2013, while Olisehs tenure was success upon success. If Abacha had not got Super Eagles banned from AFCON in 1996 and 1998, I'm sure Oliseh would have 3 AFCONS, at the very least 2 AFCONS to his name, another fact you probably have no idea of. Too many gaps in your knowledge.

At every turn, you have exhibited stùpidity, but want to force it through with agidi. Go to sleep, you can't prove agidi with me.

Just saw this...Omoh this post need to be inducted in Hall of Fame of Nairaland Sport Section...Lmao

Jodera:
That was the year in context na. That was the year Mikel was given Africa 2nd best and ibi.me was saying that someone who has 10 league starts in that year in his club is a slap on CAF face. There's a reason Donstan.18 didn't refute that.

I thought you read the preceding posts that led to that post reason why I wanted to even clarify you. if you feel those two key bolded I highlighted was false with what ibim.e brought, then you can go on with your earlier plans you had to counter him.

An afcon winner that year ,take note .

Ibime:
Oliseh never failed to qualify Super Eagles to AFCON like Obi did TWICE. Oliseh never failed to qualify Super Eagles to World Cup like Obi did TWICE. Oliseh never failed to take Super Eagles out of World Cup group stage like Obi did TWICE. Oliseh never failed to make AFCON final like Obi did 6 times. Oliseh won the Olympics against more or less the same Brazil team that won the 2002 World Cup.

Arrogance of talking about something you never saw is not a good trait in a man. It's ego speaking.

For some reason i have been avoiding defending Mikel because i don't know what to use against Sunday Oliseh because I did not watch him play,my metrics as always been eye test before trophies but that doesn't mean you should bring this cheap excuse of mikel failing to qualify for a tournament to rubbish him unless you want us to revisit Euro 2008,world cup 2010 and many more for Frank Lampard.

donstan18:
Any sincere person will agree that I’m the one dropping facts here and you’re being sentimental.

One thing you failed to understand is that you liking Hoe-Lisa over Legend Mikel doesn’t change the fact that Mikel is bigger, better and greater.

Incase you don’t get my point, you liking Hojberg doesn’t mean Busquet and Jorginho aren’t bigger and greater footballers, you dig?

It’s a fact that your sentiment will never ever change, you just have to admit that.

Since we started this argument, your point has been “I watched Hoe-Lisa and won’t do Wikipedia type of shiit”. Football don’t work that way, you must always and always understand that even someone that started watching match during Pep Barcelona time can thoroughly school you on how Busquet is a better DM than Oliseh and win you hands down before the crowd, but you’ll pick Oliseh over Busquet, these are simple stuffs!

You don’t even know when I started watching football, you can’t even guess if asked.

Facts don’t lie, online stats exist for a reason, you use it a lot, that’s why you brought the videos to defend him, you dig online stats to backup arguments, but how you’re always quick to switch to “Eye test” when stats don’t suit your agenda needs to be studied.

I’ll said it again, there’s no metric you’ll use that Mikel won’t top Hoe-Lisa, absolutely none.

Individual awards
Individual stats
Trophies
Recognition
Achievements

Legend Mikel will top every football list ahead of Oliseh. Respect this Legend, his retirement is the reason we’ve been flopping since.

why will anyone even stoop so low to compare oliseh with Mikel isn't that an abomination?? Stats or no stats Mikel is Nigeria most decorated and greatest player ever, it's not even debatable.

Jodera:
Lol, so you know this but you want people to bring afcon ToTT that wasn't in existence in Oliseh days to elevate Mikel because he was privileged such award was in his time. You're bringing afcon win when abacha banned Nigeria from participating in afcon during Oliseh days after he still won the 94 nation's cup.

See, you guys logic is simple and that's what I'm following. If you feel strapping the seatbelt in bench and winning laurels is what makes you greater than those whose abilities shines through on the field of play, then, you should agree that...

Pedro >>>>>> Xavi and iniesta

Lol this this CAF TOTT in 1994. What are you saying?

andrewbaba44:
According to you mikel started only 10 games in 2013 ,I guess that should be the 2012-2013 season ?

I need your answers before I get back to you

Because mikel started 19 games in the 2012-2013 season ,that was when Nigeria won the afcon ,he missed some Chelsea games due to injury and being out for the afcon

The proof is here man ,but I will wait for you to be specific with the season first .

Calendar Year 2013, Mikel did not start more than 10 league games. Prove me wrong