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Kilishihunter:
Better goal threat index or whichever ratio, Raphinha utterly decimates dembele in front of goal currently bro

Are you saying he's better than dembele?

Let's get one thing straight:
Dembele is finally finding his rhythm in Barça. It started with koeman gradually and now with xavi, he's turning to a beast.

This is someone who turned boos into applause more than once at the camp nou. Shows you how special he is.

Dembele creates more goals. He was more of a creator last season and I'm sure with good guidance, he'll improve. I can't say same with Raphinha. Dembele has proven to be 'quality' enough.. Let that sink in.

That last part of your statement is an exagerration... Dembele beats Raphinha in all aspects of footballing abilities for attackers/footballers.

Ibukzy:
Make dem send this boy go Granada on loan

He'll play for Barca first team, and there's nothing you can do about it!!

joviegghead:
Are you saying he's better than dembele?

Let's get one thing straight:
Dembele is finally finding his rhythm in Barça. It started with koeman gradually and now with xavi, he's turning to a beast.

This is someone who turned boos into applause more than once at the camp nou. Shows you how special he is.

Dembele creates more goals. He was more of a creator last season and I'm sure with good guidance, he'll improve. I can't say same with Raphinha. Dembele has proven to be 'quality' enough.. Let that sink in.

That last part of your statement is an exagerration... Dembele beats Raphinha in all aspects of footballing abilities for attackers/footballers.

This is the exaggeration in the statement you made. He doesn't beat Raphina hands down in ANY aspect. Raphina is a better inverted winger than Dembele whose strongest attribute is crossing into the box and Insha Allah. Raphina doesn't always have to cross.

Talk about speed, taking on defenders and et cetera, Dembele has a little bit of an edge and that majorly because we've watched him more... There's a reason Raphina makes the Brazilian national team and is more of a starter than Ajax's Antony in recent times, despite playing for a lesser team like LEEDS.

Now, talk about shooting well and not hesitant on which feet to use, Raphina is god over Dembele in that aspect.

More so, staying fit is another criterion for measuring an elite footballer, and Dembele is way down in that pecking order.

Don't come to sell Dembele like we've not seen the stuff he's made of and how shattered he can switch to, within split minutes.

don't worry by the end of the season you would join me in begging clubs to sign him for free

FirstbornWds:
He'll play for Barca, and there's nothing you can do about it!!

joviegghead:
Are you saying he's better than dembele?

Let's get one thing straight:
Dembele is finally finding his rhythm in Barça. It started with koeman gradually and now with xavi, he's turning to a beast.

This is someone who turned boos into applause more than once at the camp nou. Shows you how special he is.

Dembele creates more goals. He was more of a creator last season and I'm sure with good guidance, he'll improve. I can't say same with Raphinha. Dembele has proven to be 'quality' enough.. Let that sink in.

That last part of your statement is an exagerration... Dembele beats Raphinha in all aspects of footballing abilities for attackers/footballers.

Calm down na , I said he's better currently than dembele in front of goal which simply put is goalscoring, All round dembele is a bigger talent, Which I've been echoing even before he wanted to re-sign for us, Creativity, Pace and dribbling, But you see in the aspect of goal scoring, through balls and setpieces, Raphinha is ahead, We've watched him play with lesser wasteful talents, we'll now see how he fares with better players
Firstborn has even helpfully touched down extensively on both

Ibukzy:
Whenever Dembele is fit , Raphinha can never bench him

This again is another huge misconception, Dembele fit or not isn't a thoroughly better player than Raphina. C'mon. Don't allow the last season's wonder of Dembele to fool you, he hasn't proven anything yet. He still has a lot to do to get to that world-class rating that we are classifying him to be among right now. Raphina is a better goalscorer, and shooter and more confidence in the final third than Dembele is, or ever was.

I don't get the hype honestly. This guy is good but not so good. I'd rather have a player that can combine a simple pass, cross, or dribble into the box to decimate defenses than one that relies on only cross and nod football.

Ibukzy:
don't worry by the end of the season you would join me in begging clubs to sign him for free

Lol. I'll be here to counter you when you gobble up fake stats to prove him worse like you did this concluded season.

In this chart you can see that Raphinha is average in all the attribute that would qualify him as a World class winger

While Dembouz is hitting high percentile in every attribute that qualify a world class winger except Goal Scoring which might be due to him having a bad season scoring wise (Heck, even Messi was poor at Goal scoring last season )
Dembele scored 11 goals in 20/21 and had the same amount of goals Raphinha scored in the League

Even the last season Raphinha only score 7 goals apart from penalties, which is just pure Average for a €72m player, so I don't understand ur hype on his goal Scoring as he is not even great at it

FirstbornWds:
This again is another huge misconception, Dembele fit or not isn't a thoroughly better player than Raphina. C'mon. Don't allow the last season's wonder of Dembele to fool you, he hasn't proven anything yet. He still has a lot to do to get to that world-class rating that we are classifying him to be among right now. Raphina is a better goalscorer, and shooter and more confidence in the final third than Dembele is, or ever was.

I don't get the hype honestly. This guy is good but not so good. I'd rather have a player that can combine with a simple pass, cross, or dribble into the box to decimate defenses than one that relies on only cross and nod football.

Ibukzy:
Make dem send this boy go Granada on loan

You go cry tire ,just wait make season start

Ibukzy:
In this chart you can see that Raphinha is average in all the attribute that would qualify him as a World class winger

While Dembouz is hitting high percentile in every attribute that qualify a world class winger except Goal Scoring which might be due to him having a bad season scoring wise (Heck, even Messi was poor at Goal scoring last season )
Dembele scored 11 goals in 20/21 and had the same amount of goals Raphinha scored in the League

Even the last season Raphinha only score 7 goals apart from penalties, which is just pure Average for a €72m player, so I don't understand ur hype on his goal Scoring as he is not even great at it

Wait fess, make I ask you bro? If dembele didn't eat the humble pie to renew with us, who will you have suggested to be our RW for next season?
It's like you don't know the their market is currently very limited, Quality RWs don scarce pass fuel now

Barcelona just spent €75m on Raphinha 6 months after buying Ferran Torres for nearly €65m and people wonder why they’re in financial trouble


When will we ever learn, buying average players at a very high price

Ibukzy:
In this chart you can see that Raphinha is average in all the attribute that would qualify him as a World class winger

While Dembouz is hitting high percentile in every attribute that qualify a world class winger except Goal Scoring which might be due to him having a bad season scoring wise (Heck, even Messi was poor at Goal scoring last season )
Dembele scored 11 goals in 20/21 and had the same amount of goals Raphinha scored in the League

Even the last season Raphinha only score 7 goals apart from penalties, which is just pure Average for a €72m player, so I don't understand ur hype on his goal Scoring as he is not even great at it

If you're replying a post, it is customary to put your reply under the post, not above it, like you normally do. It makes it harder to read your reply vis-a-vis the post you are replying.

Ibukzy:
In this chart you can see that Raphinha is average in all the attribute that would qualify him as a World class winger

While Dembouz is hitting high percentile in every attribute that qualify a world class winger except Goal Scoring which might be due to him having a bad season scoring wise (Heck, even Messi was poor at Goal scoring last season )
Dembele scored 11 goals in 20/21 and had the same amount of goals Raphinha scored in the League

Even the last season Raphinha only score 7 goals apart from penalties, which is just pure Average for a €72m player, so I don't understand ur hype on his goal Scoring as he is not even great at it

Dembele has played 212 games for both country and club, totaling 12722 minutes in which he has been able to score 47 goals and provide 53 assists in total.

Raphina on the other hand, has been able to play 199 games, averaging 14751 minutes where he has scored 49 goals and provided 29 assists.

Now, if you compare the leveler of players that both has played with, you'd see that Raphina has been less fortunate overall but could still closely average what Demboiz has been all about..

So, how on earth is he overly better than the Brazilian winger overly.

More so, we can trust one to stay fit and play the whole season but the same cannot be said for the piece of glass that Dembele has been over the years.

So unless the narratives change, you can't in any way conclude that Barca made a worse buy in Raphina than the 130m feeble legs that we signed from Dortmund.

Barcelona's second financial lever will also be activated with Sixth Street.

— @gerardromero
This Sixth street guys will soon be in heavy money, Saw they have a deal too with Vardrid regarding their new Bernabeu events

Gnabry, Diaby, Raphinha but for not more than €50m , and that is even valuing him higher

Kilishihunter:
Wait fess, make I ask you bro? If dembele didn't eat the humble pie to renew with us, who will you have suggested to be our RW for next season?

Ibukzy:
Barcelona just spent €75m on Raphinha 6 months after buying Ferran Torres for nearly €65m and people wonder why they’re in financial trouble


When will we ever learn, buying average players at a very high price

If these players turn out well, what will you say then?

Too early to rule out Ferran Torres. Raphinha have not even been confirmed yet.

So with this ur stat who has a higher goal and assist ratio

FirstbornWds:
Dembele has played 212 games for both country and club, totaling 12722 minutes in which he has been able to score 47 goals and provide 53 assists in total.

Raphina on the other hand, has been able to play 199 games, averaging 14751 minutes where he has scored 49 29

Ibukzy:
So with this ur stat who has a higher goal and assist ratio

Go back and read completely. I mistakenly hit the enter button before I published that.

I am not labeling them flops

All I am saying is we are spending way too much above their market value
Look at Chelsea getting Sterling for €45m
But we are buying players inferior to him wayyyy above that amount.

jpmoriarti:
If these players turn out well, what will you say then?

Too early to rule out Ferran Torres. Raphinha have not even been confirmed yet.

Ibukzy:
Gnabry, Diaby, Raphinha but for not more than €50m , and that is even valuing him higher

Just three players you called bro, Just three, Can't you see how small their sample pool is? If Bayern is showing us shege ontop 34yr old lewandoski, Which one do you think you won't see for Gnabry who's even rumored to be close to renewing sef, Leverkusen were reportedly asking for a package of 100m though they might have reduced it to 70m
I'm also not happy with the fee but considering the financial juggernauts we had to face in England and Dembele's usual fitness issues and troublesome nature I think the board's hands were forced in this one
Sadly this transfer window has become more crazy

joviegghead:
Are you saying he's better than dembele?

Let's get one thing straight:
Dembele is finally finding his rhythm in Barça. It started with koeman gradually and now with xavi, he's turning to a beast.

This is someone who turned boos into applause more than once at the camp nou. Shows you how special he is.

Dembele creates more goals. He was more of a creator last season and I'm sure with good guidance, he'll improve. I can't say same with Raphinha. Dembele has proven to be 'quality' enough.. Let that sink in.

That last part of your statement is an exagerration... Dembele beats Raphinha in all aspects of footballing abilities for attackers/footballers.

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Ibukzy:
I am not labeling them flops

All I am saying is we are spending way too much above their market value
Look at Chelsea getting Sterling for €45m
But we are buying players inferior to him wayyyy above that amount.

Sometimes, these things are not relative, as you're trying to have us believe.

Xavi and Iniesta are arguably some of the best midfielders of their generation, but they cost Barcelona nothing. Whereas Real Madrid just bought Tchouameni for €100m.

Does that make Tchouameni the best midfielder, better than Xavi and Iniesta because he's obviously €100m costlier?

Lol
Raphinha is the no 1 player for leed a super attacking team yet he can't boost of better stats Compare to Dembouz,
Despite him being the no 1 set piece taker for Leeds while Dembele had to contest with Messi, Griezzmann, Coutinho and Depay for set piece duty

FirstbornWds:
Go back and read completely. I mistakenly hit the enter button before I published that.

Blaxhex:
lmao
Raphinha won Leeds player of the year in the 2020/21 season. What did Luis diaz win for Porto?
This your analogy is grossly flawed.

Raphinha didn't win sh!T. Stuart Dallas won the best player award in 2021. Diaz went for 40m with 20m in add-ons.

Leeds United narrowly escaped relegation by one point. I don't see any 25yr old attacker playing 4 Alaves, Cadiz, Granada or Levante who scored just abt 6/7 goals apart 4rm penalties & 3assist that will make barca or madrid to throway 75m 4 his signature.

@Ibukzy


Set pieces that not one person could score in the whole of Barcelona throughout last season.

Raphina's chances of producing a goal that same last season is rated 84% percentile compared to Dembele's 34. Goals are what we are seeking and we need attackers that can score when the going gets rough for our number 9s and not balloon the ball with reckless abandon when he manages to stay fit.


Both are not guaranteed a start than the other, and that I am sure of.

I can't even believe there would be Barca fans still trying to make a case for Dembele after a frustrating 5 years and the unsavory drama that followed his renewal.

Left for me, I will say we let Dembele go. He didn't boast of a single good moment on pitch for the club after we splashed the cash to get him 5 years ago.

Now, they're trying to drag Raphinha that we haven't even confirmed as Barca player.

Simply shocking!

OkpaNsukkaisBae:
Raphinha didn't win sh!T. Stuart Dallas won the best player award in 2021. Diaz went for 40m with 20m in add-ons.

Leeds United narrowly escaped relegation by one point. I don't see any 25yr old attacker playing 4 Alaves, Cadiz, Granada or Levante who scored just abt 6/7 goals apart 4rm penalties & 3assist that will make barca or madrid to throway 75m 4 his signature.

Raphina was Leeds United player of the season last season

FirstbornWds:
@Ibukzy


Set pieces that not one person could score in the whole of Barcelona throughout last season.

Raphina's chances of producing a goal that same last season is rated 84% percentile compared to Dembele's 34. Goals are what we are seeking and we need attackers that can score when the going gets rough for our number 9s and not balloon the ball with reckless abandon when he manages to stay fit.


Both are not guaranteed a start than the other, and that I am sure of.

Raphinha created 50+ chances last season but he's supposed to make a shit Leeds team who escaped relegation on the final day and missed their best striker Bamford for so long to pull Magic numbers, His fee is too much but he's not average, Reason why half of the PL's top 6 clubs were chasing him

Kilishihunter:
Raphinha created 50+ chances last season but he's supposed to make a shit Leeds team who escaped relegation on the final day and missed their best striker Bamford for so long to pull Magic numbers, His fee is too much but he's not average, Reason why half of the PL's top 6 clubs were chasing him

Nah, they don't see that. They'd rather make comparisons with a glass feet player that showed flashes last season.

FirstbornWds:
Raphina was Leeds United player of the season last season

I love the part where it read that he participated in 36 league games out of 38 games just last season.

36 league games is what Dembele achieves in 3 years for us.

And he calls himself an elite footballer.

FirstbornWds:
Nah, they don't see that. They'd rather make comparisons with a glass feet player that showed flashes last season.

Jp has already said it. Dembele signed just a two year deal which might most likely not be renewed, Is it that time we'll start looking for money to buy another RW when the market is more inflated than now? The fee brings back bartomeu memories according to some of our fanbase but let's not forget
1. The fee is not crossing 100m like the other flops including dembele (only this season will not excuse me from tackling him for not living up to his big money move) plus he's glass like you stated
2. He is not going to earn those nonsense astronomical salaries that we formerly dashed out like mugus, 230-250k weekly I think
3. Some players are definitely going to be moved, Trincao has left, Rey Manaj has gone, Lenglet off on loan, Umtiti, Puig, braithwaite, pjanic et al might follow suit
4. Looking at the situation of things we are even going to definitely overpay for lewandoski, so this Raphinha own na smalls
Calma guys, Laporta is freakin gambling and putting his balls on the line for the club's future with this actions

As you can see here Dembele goal creation is in the 90% percentile , don't know where you are seeing the Stat of 34%

FirstbornWds:
@Ibukzy


Set pieces that not one person could score in the whole of Barcelona throughout last season.

Raphina's chances of producing a goal that same last season is rated 84% percentile compared to Dembele's 34. Goals are what we are seeking and we need attackers that can score when the going gets rough for our number 9s and not balloon the ball with reckless abandon when he manages to stay fit.


Both are not guaranteed a start than the other, and that I am sure of.