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Symbolic Violence Against Muslim Pupils By Lagos State Gov’t by AntiChristian: 4:34pm On Aug 05, 2022
By Farooq Kperogi

At least 3 questions in a GENERAL KNOWLEDGE exam that public primary school students in Lagos State took for the common entrance this year asked questions that only Christians—or people who’re familiar with Christianity—can correctly answer, putting Muslim and other non-Christian students at a disadvantage.

That’s objectionable symbolic violence, and it must redressed forthwith in the interest of fairness and justice.
See questions 11, 12, and 14. Even I, a journalism professor who attended government-funded Christian missionary primary and secondary schools, can’t answer questions 11 and 12 because I didn’t take Christian Religious Studies as a student.

Let's start with question 11. To ask students which earthly institution originated from—and was established by—God is to force a religious belief in them, which is a violation of the Nigerian Constitution. That question is in the province of faith, not fact. None of the options is factually correct.

Or did the examiners expect students to choose—and thereby invite them to believe— the “pastorate” as having originated from and established by God? That’s belief, not fact. You can't legitimately test students' belief in a general knowledge exam.
Even “marriage” can’t be correct because it’s a well-established fact in the anthropological literature that marriage didn’t always exist. The first recorded marriage between a man and woman has been periodized to be around 2350 B.C. in Mesopotamia. Before then, people just mated without marriage.
There are still societies such as the Mosuo, a Tibetan Buddhist community, where marriage doesn't exist.
Of course, "schools" and "politics" are decidedly recent human inventions.

So, what response did the examiners at Lagos State want students to pick as the correct answer?
And why is “imamate” not an option if “pastorate” is an option? This is obviously subtle, backhanded Christian proselytization in a secular, general-interest examination, and that’s unacceptable.
Question 12 is an even more blatant instance of noxious religious tyranny. I have not the vaguest clue where Paul was born. Why should a Muslim or non-Christian kid in primary school know that?
To expect a Muslim kid to know the answer to that question is as unfair as expecting a Christian kid to know who the four rightly guided caliphs in (Sunni) Islam are.

The answer to question 14 may seem obvious to people who pay attention to history, but we’re talking of 11- to 12-year-old primary school kids here.
A Muslim kid in Lagos is more likely to know that the Reverend M.S. Cole was the first person to translate the Qur’an into Yoruba in 1906 than that Bishop Ajayi Crowther translated the Bible into Yoruba.
Most importantly, though, those questions don’t belong in a general knowledge exam. No religious faith should be privileged in a secular, general-interest exam.

The Lagos State Ministry of Education must either cancel the exam or compensate students who missed the “correct” answers that braindead, emotionally stunted religious fanatics who set the questions have in mind.

https://web.facebook.com/farooqkperogi

Re: Symbolic Violence Against Muslim Pupils By Lagos State Gov’t by Obi4Ever: 4:40pm On Aug 05, 2022
In the Obi Era ever one will be equal.
Re: Symbolic Violence Against Muslim Pupils By Lagos State Gov’t by AntiChristian: 5:46am On Aug 07, 2022
Obi4Ever:
In the Obi Era ever one will be equal.

Yeah, as they were equal in Anambla when he was governor!
Re: Symbolic Violence Against Muslim Pupils By Lagos State Gov’t by Obi4Ever: 5:51am On Aug 07, 2022
Yes na!
AntiChristian:

Yeah, as they were equal in Anambla when he was governor!

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Re: Symbolic Violence Against Muslim Pupils By Lagos State Gov’t by AntiChristian: 10:31am On Aug 08, 2022
Obi4Ever:
Yes na!

Why do you guys like to dey tell lies with Obi like this?
Re: Symbolic Violence Against Muslim Pupils By Lagos State Gov’t by Lawag3: 12:40pm On Aug 08, 2022
AntiChristian:
By Farooq Kperogi

At least 3 questions in a GENERAL KNOWLEDGE exam that public primary school students in Lagos State took for the common entrance this year asked questions that only Christians—or people who’re familiar with Christianity—can correctly answer, putting Muslim and other non-Christian students at a disadvantage.

That’s objectionable symbolic violence, and it must redressed forthwith in the interest of fairness and justice.
See questions 11, 12, and 14. Even I, a journalism professor who attended government-funded Christian missionary primary and secondary schools, can’t answer questions 11 and 12 because I didn’t take Christian Religious Studies as a student.

Let's start with question 11. To ask students which earthly institution originated from—and was established by—God is to force a religious belief in them, which is a violation of the Nigerian Constitution. That question is in the province of faith, not fact. None of the options is factually correct.

Or did the examiners expect students to choose—and thereby invite them to believe— the “pastorate” as having originated from and established by God? That’s belief, not fact. You can't legitimately test students' belief in a general knowledge exam.
Even “marriage” can’t be correct because it’s a well-established fact in the anthropological literature that marriage didn’t always exist. The first recorded marriage between a man and woman has been periodized to be around 2350 B.C. in Mesopotamia. Before then, people just mated without marriage.
There are still societies such as the Mosuo, a Tibetan Buddhist community, where marriage doesn't exist.
Of course, "schools" and "politics" are decidedly recent human inventions.

So, what response did the examiners at Lagos State want students to pick as the correct answer?
And why is “imamate” not an option if “pastorate” is an option? This is obviously subtle, backhanded Christian proselytization in a secular, general-interest examination, and that’s unacceptable.
Question 12 is an even more blatant instance of noxious religious tyranny. I have not the vaguest clue where Paul was born. Why should a Muslim or non-Christian kid in primary school know that?
To expect a Muslim kid to know the answer to that question is as unfair as expecting a Christian kid to know who the four rightly guided caliphs in (Sunni) Islam are.

The answer to question 14 may seem obvious to people who pay attention to history, but we’re talking of 11- to 12-year-old primary school kids here.
A Muslim kid in Lagos is more likely to know that the Reverend M.S. Cole was the first person to translate the Qur’an into Yoruba in 1906 than that Bishop Ajayi Crowther translated the Bible into Yoruba.
Most importantly, though, those questions don’t belong in a general knowledge exam. No religious faith should be privileged in a secular, general-interest exam.

The Lagos State Ministry of Education must either cancel the exam or compensate students who missed the “correct” answers that braindead, emotionally stunted religious fanatics who set the questions have in mind.

https://web.facebook.com/farooqkperogi

In the north they set questions from the Quran and Cristian students attend this schools yet no noise has be made by Cristians

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Re: Symbolic Violence Against Muslim Pupils By Lagos State Gov’t by AntiChristian: 11:59am On Aug 09, 2022
Lawag3:


In the north they set questions from the Quran and Cristian students attend this schools yet no noise has be made by Cristians

1.Bring your evidence for that here now!

2. Are the government not Sharia inclined unlike that of Lagos State which is not Bible inclined?

3. Or are you saying while they did that because they use Sharia, the SW can use Bible because na Bible be our constitution in the South grin?
Re: Symbolic Violence Against Muslim Pupils By Lagos State Gov’t by Lawag3: 12:28pm On Aug 09, 2022
AntiChristian:


1.Bring your evidence for that here now!

2. Are the government not Sharia inclined unlike that of Lagos State which is not Bible inclined?

3. Or are you saying while they did that because they use Sharia, the SW can use Bible because na Bible be our constitution in the South grin?

In a secular country like Nigeria we are not supposed to have a religious law but fanatics like you said no and besides the paper they wrote was General studies !!! Meaning questions could come from anywhere

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Re: Symbolic Violence Against Muslim Pupils By Lagos State Gov’t by AntiChristian: 1:04pm On Aug 09, 2022
Lawag3:


In a secular country like Nigeria we are not supposed to have a religious law but fanatics like you said no and besides the paper they wrote was General studies !!! Meaning questions could come from anywhere

The post is an evidence based post. Where is the proof of what you claim happens in the north like?

Where does general studies mean only CRK [/b]and not [b]IRK or traditional religion knowledge?

Nigeria is not a Secular Country as this word is not found anywhere in the constitution!
Re: Symbolic Violence Against Muslim Pupils By Lagos State Gov’t by compton11(m): 6:45pm On Aug 09, 2022
Lawag3:


In a secular country like Nigeria we are not supposed to have a [b]religious law [/b]but fanatics like you said no and besides the paper they wrote was General studies !!! Meaning questions could come from anywhere
you don't have to have to have religious law!

Then how come u are punishing thieves, LGBT and Killers?
Re: Symbolic Violence Against Muslim Pupils By Lagos State Gov’t by Lawag3: 6:56pm On Aug 09, 2022
compton11:
you don't have to have to have religious law!

Then how come u are punishing thieves, LGBT and Killers?

You don't have to religious to punish wrong doers cry
Re: Symbolic Violence Against Muslim Pupils By Lagos State Gov’t by tctrills: 11:02pm On Aug 09, 2022
AntiChristian:
By Farooq Kperogi

At least 3 questions in a GENERAL KNOWLEDGE exam that public primary school students in Lagos State took for the common entrance this year asked questions that only Christians—or people who’re familiar with Christianity—can correctly answer, putting Muslim and other non-Christian students at a disadvantage.

That’s objectionable symbolic violence, and it must redressed forthwith in the interest of fairness and justice.
See questions 11, 12, and 14. Even I, a journalism professor who attended government-funded Christian missionary primary and secondary schools, can’t answer questions 11 and 12 because I didn’t take Christian Religious Studies as a student.

Let's start with question 11. To ask students which earthly institution originated from—and was established by—God is to force a religious belief in them, which is a violation of the Nigerian Constitution. That question is in the province of faith, not fact. None of the options is factually correct.

Or did the examiners expect students to choose—and thereby invite them to believe— the “pastorate” as having originated from and established by God? That’s belief, not fact. You can't legitimately test students' belief in a general knowledge exam.
Even “marriage” can’t be correct because it’s a well-established fact in the anthropological literature that marriage didn’t always exist. The first recorded marriage between a man and woman has been periodized to be around 2350 B.C. in Mesopotamia. Before then, people just mated without marriage.
There are still societies such as the Mosuo, a Tibetan Buddhist community, where marriage doesn't exist.
Of course, "schools" and "politics" are decidedly recent human inventions.

So, what response did the examiners at Lagos State want students to pick as the correct answer?
And why is “imamate” not an option if “pastorate” is an option? This is obviously subtle, backhanded Christian proselytization in a secular, general-interest examination, and that’s unacceptable.
Question 12 is an even more blatant instance of noxious religious tyranny. I have not the vaguest clue where Paul was born. Why should a Muslim or non-Christian kid in primary school know that?
To expect a Muslim kid to know the answer to that question is as unfair as expecting a Christian kid to know who the four rightly guided caliphs in (Sunni) Islam are.

The answer to question 14 may seem obvious to people who pay attention to history, but we’re talking of 11- to 12-year-old primary school kids here.
A Muslim kid in Lagos is more likely to know that the Reverend M.S. Cole was the first person to translate the Qur’an into Yoruba in 1906 than that Bishop Ajayi Crowther translated the Bible into Yoruba.
Most importantly, though, those questions don’t belong in a general knowledge exam. No religious faith should be privileged in a secular, general-interest exam.

The Lagos State Ministry of Education must either cancel the exam or compensate students who missed the “correct” answers that braindead, emotionally stunted religious fanatics who set the questions have in mind.

https://web.facebook.com/farooqkperogi
Question 13 and 14 are not Christian questions
Re: Symbolic Violence Against Muslim Pupils By Lagos State Gov’t by AntiChristian: 5:10am On Aug 10, 2022
compton11:
you don't have to have to have religious law!

Then how come u are punishing thieves, LGBT and Killers?

The same constitution permits freedom of religion. What stops a state from using the Shari'a if their house accents to it?

Shari'a has been in use in northern Nigeria before democracy came.

Assuming Christianity has their own usable laws from the Bible they would have used it. But since they don't have laws to govern successful in this era, they have to fight for democracy their only hope in stoping Islam.
Re: Symbolic Violence Against Muslim Pupils By Lagos State Gov’t by AntiChristian: 5:13am On Aug 10, 2022
[quote author=tctrills post=115551072][/quote]

Yeah, they are babalawo question!

As you can see the answer is Babalawo Àjàyí Crowder and Sango suffered devil temptation.
Re: Symbolic Violence Against Muslim Pupils By Lagos State Gov’t by compton11(m): 6:23am On Aug 10, 2022
Lawag3:


You don't have to religious to punish wrong doers cry
how do u know theft and killing is bad without religion?
Re: Symbolic Violence Against Muslim Pupils By Lagos State Gov’t by Lawag3: 8:17am On Aug 10, 2022
compton11:
how do u know theft and killing is bad without religion?

Humans from a young age already knows the difference between good and evil they know this before they know whether they are Cristian or muslims

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Re: Symbolic Violence Against Muslim Pupils By Lagos State Gov’t by compton11(m): 8:18am On Aug 10, 2022
Lawag3:


Humans from a young age already knows the difference between good and evil they know this before they know whether they are Cristian or muslims
nah nigga u lie!


Bring another lie!
Re: Symbolic Violence Against Muslim Pupils By Lagos State Gov’t by tctrills: 8:26am On Aug 10, 2022
AntiChristian:


Yeah, they are babalawo question!

As you can see the answer is Babalawo Àjàyí Crowder and Sango suffered devil temptation.
Crowders question is about Nigerian history. For example, if one ask, How did Islam enter Nigeria? This isn't an Islamic question. It's basically history. There is nothing wrong with kids knowing these things.
I bought my child a beautiful book about the ottoman history. We really should have a broad knowledge.
Re: Symbolic Violence Against Muslim Pupils By Lagos State Gov’t by tctrills: 10:38am On Aug 10, 2022
compton11:
how do u know theft and killing is bad without religion?
Even in nonreligious societies stealing and killing are crimes. China is the least religious country on earth. I am not sure if you steal in China you would be given an award.
Re: Symbolic Violence Against Muslim Pupils By Lagos State Gov’t by compton11(m): 11:10am On Aug 10, 2022
tctrills:

Even in nonreligious societies stealing and killing are crimes. China is the least religious country on earth. I am not sure if you steal in China you would be given an award.
and how do they know stealing is crime?
Re: Symbolic Violence Against Muslim Pupils By Lagos State Gov’t by tctrills: 12:05pm On Aug 10, 2022
compton11:
and how do they know stealing is crime?
Good question. From the beginning of human civilization. We have had thousands of years of learning and evolving. We have learnt what works and what does not.
For example, in the time of Jesus Christ, 2000 years ago slavery was not a crime. But we have since learnt that it is one of the greatest evils.
In the days of Moses, genocide was not a crime but today it is.
In the days of Abraham, sacrificing your son was not a crime but today it is.
The point is, human society keeps evolving. We keep learning what works and what doesn't work.
Somethings we considered abominations 100 years ago are now ok and the things we considered crimes today were normal 100 years ago.
Re: Symbolic Violence Against Muslim Pupils By Lagos State Gov’t by Wilgrea7(m): 12:42pm On Aug 10, 2022
I don't think you understand the meaning of the word “violence"
Re: Symbolic Violence Against Muslim Pupils By Lagos State Gov’t by Lawag3: 1:22pm On Aug 10, 2022
compton11:
nah nigga u lie!


Bring another lie!

Debunk my lie disprove it.
Re: Symbolic Violence Against Muslim Pupils By Lagos State Gov’t by compton11(m): 2:05pm On Aug 10, 2022
Lawag3:


Debunk my lie disprove it.
be deceiving yourself there.

So atheists like Adolf hitlers,Stalin and Mao tse dung know these and they killed many people without remorse.


Ok now if I keep stealing from people and killing people and govt Never caught me until I die,then what will happen to me?
Re: Symbolic Violence Against Muslim Pupils By Lagos State Gov’t by compton11(m): 2:08pm On Aug 10, 2022
tctrills:

Good question. From the beginning of human civilization. We have had thousands of years of learning and evolving. We have learnt what works and what does not..
thousands of years that religion law was still rampant.







tctrills:

For example, in the time of Jesus Christ, 2000 years ago slavery was not a crime. But we have since learnt that it is one of the greatest evils.
.
slavery by raiding and stealing or kidnapping of people is crime before Jesus but slavery by captive of war is not till today.



Plus how can u be saying an enemy captured in the war,but was took care of when he was a slave is a crime?

tctrills:

In the days of Moses, genocide was not a crime but today it is.
then how come atheist like Hitlers,Mao and Stalin didn't know this before they began to kill their people?


Cos they believe there is no hereafter punishment for them.


tctrills:

In the days of Abraham, sacrificing your son was not a crime but today it is.
.
aint nobody sacrificing their son, that is barbaric.



tctrills:

The point is, human society keeps evolving. We keep learning what works and what doesn't work.
Somethings we considered abominations 100 years ago are now ok and the things we considered crimes today were normal 100 years ago.
this is the same mentality of yours that the whites have which make them allowed LGBT, public sex and many evil things.


Soon,they will legalized man getting married to animal.


Son getting married to his mama.
Re: Symbolic Violence Against Muslim Pupils By Lagos State Gov’t by tctrills: 3:47pm On Aug 10, 2022
compton11:
thousands of years that religion law was still rampant.







slavery by raiding and stealing or kidnapping of people is crime before Jesus but slavery by captive of war is not till today.



Plus how can u be saying an enemy captured in the war,but was took care of when he was a slave is a crime?

then how come atheist like Hitlers,Mao and Stalin didn't know this before they began to kill their people?


Cos they believe there is no hereafter punishment for them.


aint nobody sacrificing their son, that is barbaric.



this is the same mentality of yours that the whites have which make them allowed LGBT, public sex and many evil things.


Soon,they will legalized man getting married to animal.


Son getting married to his mama.
1. I don't understand your point on slavery. You did not make yourself clear.
2. I could give you a list of religious people who also engaged in killing. My list would include, Moses, David, Samuel, Usman dan fodio, Mohhamed, and many more.
3. Gay, Lesbian, and public sex were very common in the Roman, Greek, and Troll civilizations. And these were all religious people.
4. Millions of humans were sacrificed by the religious native Americans. Many had their hearts taken out while they were still alive. The colonial masters who forcefully took over Africa killing many along the way were all Christians. The Belgian king that committed some of the worst crimes against the people of Congo was a Christian. The millions of Muslim terrorists bombing everywhere are they not religious? So what is your point?
Re: Symbolic Violence Against Muslim Pupils By Lagos State Gov’t by Lawag3: 4:16pm On Aug 10, 2022
compton11:
be deceiving yourself there.

So atheists like Adolf hitlers,Stalin and Mao tse dung know these and they killed many people without remorse.


Ok now if I keep stealing from people and killing people and govt Never caught me until I die,then what will happen to me?

They know this but they choose the path they wanted to take if Hitler or Mao had a way of achieving their goals without killing people they would have taken that way
Re: Symbolic Violence Against Muslim Pupils By Lagos State Gov’t by compton11(m): 4:46pm On Aug 10, 2022
Lawag3:


They know this but they choose the path they wanted to take if Hitler or Mao had a way of achieving their goals without killing people they would have taken that way
mtchw, they knew there is no God to judge them if what they did, that is why they did it
Re: Symbolic Violence Against Muslim Pupils By Lagos State Gov’t by compton11(m): 4:53pm On Aug 10, 2022
tctrills:

1. I don't understand your point on slavery. You did not make yourself clear.

a slave through captive of war is not crime,he is an enemy in the first place.


tctrills:

2. I could give you a list of religious people who also engaged in killing. My list would include, Moses, David, Samuel, Usman dan fodio, Mohhamed, Jesus and many more.
well Moses, David, Samuel and Muhammed all fought war against their enemies,u can't let your enemies kill u first.



tctrills:


3. Gay, Lesbian, and public sex were very common in the Roman, Greek, and Troll civilizations. And these were all religious people.

these people are worshipping countless idol during their time and whatever their law was then,it wasn't divine.

tctrills:


4. Millions of humans were sacrificed by the religious native Americans. Many had their hearts taken out while they were still alive. The colonial masters who forcefully took over Africa killing many along the way were all Christians. The Belgian king that committed some of the worst crimes against the people of Congo was a Christian.
People hide under something to do something,these same people are irreligious now.


tctrills:

The millions of Muslim terrorists bombing everywhere are they not religious? So what is your point?

ain't nothing religious about them cos killing of innocent is forbidden in Islam.

So how do u know theft is not good without being religious?
Re: Symbolic Violence Against Muslim Pupils By Lagos State Gov’t by tctrills: 5:52pm On Aug 10, 2022
compton11:
a slave through captive of war is not crime,he is an enemy in the first place.


well Moses, David, Samuel and Muhammed all fought war against their enemies,u can't let your enemies kill u first.



these people are worshipping countless idol during their time and whatever their law was then,it wasn't divine.


People hide under something to do something,these same people are irreligious now.


ain't nothing religious about them cos killing of innocent is forbidden in Islam.

So how do u know theft is not good without being religious?
In Atheist China, they don't depend on religion to create laws against stealing.
In today's world, using war enemies as slaves is a crime. Please read the UN charter.
Moses, David, Samuel, and Muhammed started these wars just the same way Hitler did. And mind you, Hitler was not an atheist.
Moses and Samuel slew women and children and destroyed entire nations.
Re: Symbolic Violence Against Muslim Pupils By Lagos State Gov’t by compton11(m): 6:59pm On Aug 10, 2022
tctrills:

In Atheist China, they don't depend on religion to create laws against stealing.
hehehe before they were atheist China,u forget they were once buddishist,taoist,daoism and so on and those religions forbid theft in their scripture! grin grin


tctrills:

In today's world, using war enemies as slaves is a crime. Please read the UN charter.
so if they tell u theft is not crime today,then u will believe?





tctrills:

Moses, David, Samuel, and Muhammed started these wars just the same way Hitler did.
I didn't know of Moses, David and co but the pagans of Mecca first wage war against prophet Muhammed (saw)


tctrills:

And mind you, Hitler was not an atheist.
but he wasn't religious though.




tctrills:

Moses and Samuel slew women and children and destroyed entire nations.
well Moses and all these good people slaying women and children are all in Bible perspective written by Jews,one of the people destroying this earth today but in Islamic perspective, these people are known as good men.
Re: Symbolic Violence Against Muslim Pupils By Lagos State Gov’t by tctrills: 8:17pm On Aug 10, 2022
compton11:
hehehe before they were atheist China,u forget they were once buddishist,taoist,daoism and so on and those religions forbid theft in their scripture! grin grin


so if they tell u theft is not crime today,then u will believe?





I didn't know of Moses, David and co but the pagans of Mecca first wage war against prophet Muhammed (saw)


but he wasn't religious though.




well Moses and all these good people slaying women and children are all in Bible perspective written by Jews,one of the people destroying this earth today but in Islamic perspective, these people are known as good men.
Now the Chinese left religion how come they did not become a nation of thieves? If only religion recognizes crime, South America, Central America, and Mexico wouldn't be the violent crime headquarters that they are. Also, as a Muslim, you should know that Mohhamed did not only fight against Mecca. Please do some research to learn of Mohammed's battles

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