₦airaland Forum

Notasyouthink:
Have you apologized to Igbos for killing them in them from 1966-1970??

SeunTheOwner:
Maybe Ojukwu should have been allowed to capture southwest and force all of them to be eating grass.

You see, Repercussions of war is always devastating.

Notasyouthink:
An average zoo unity beggar cannot do without lies and twisting facts.

When did Ojukwu ever planned to capture SW and for what reason??

Notasyouthink:
Have you apologized to Igbos for killing them in them from 1966-1970??

HEAVEN4444:
Fi[s]rst off I would like to say that the entity called Nigeria today as it stands is a creation of the igbo elites. The modern day igbo man is either unaware of this fact or aware but pretends not to be aware. And the ones who are unaware walk around angry because they feel they are victims but that is only because they are not aware of the real story.

The entity called Nigeria today when it was in transition to be handed over to Nigerians by the colonialists was handed over to Nnamdi Azikiwe Jr who ruled the country for 3 years. Now while he was ruling the top brass in the military were igbos. Nnamdi Azikiwe seeing all the powers igbo had decided he wanted to extend that power autonomously all over nigeria and started the campaign to remove all regional governments so thaat power will be centralised. all the regional governments fought against this but Azikiwe was hellbent on making this happen. He said IT IS PROSCRIBED BY GOD THAT THE IGBO MAN SHOULD RULE NIGERIA . anyway further down the line there was a coup to kill all the regional government leaders and what do you know ? Nnamdi Azikiwe and igbo elites were spared while all the other regional leaders was killed and then in comes Aguiyi Ironsi another igbo man who put down the law that ALL REGIONAL GOVERNMENTS ARE BANNED FROM HITHERTO. and such was the end of regions having their own powers and power was centralised to the igbo man. now while all this was going on we had awolowo and enahoro lobbying that there must be secessional clause that if we dont like what is happening centrally that we can opt out of this central government but aguiyi and ojukwu created laws to MUTE THE SECESSIONAL CLAUSE meaning you have no chance of declaring yourself an independent country, you are stuck with the NIGERIA project. AND SO HERE WE HAVE THE IGBO ELITES NOT ONLY REMOVE REGIONAL POWER AND UNIFY THE POWER AT THE MIDDLE BUT THEY ALSO REMOVED ANY CHANCE YOU HAVE TO OPT OUT OF THIS CENTRAL GOVERNMENT IF IT BECOMES CORRUPT. and that is the nigeria we have today ? a corrupt central government and the inability to secede out of it. All thanks to Nnamdi Azikiwe and Ojukwu and Aguiyi Ironsi. Now the reason they were doing all this is the shortsightedness of not understanding that you cant hold on to power forever. Also the shortsightedness in not seeing that the majority of the countrys population is hausa and if you create a central government they will eventually dominate the country and no other region will have any chance at power because it is ONE MAN ONE VOTE, but see the igbo elites just were not thinking ahead. they just wanted all the power at that point in time. And this modern day declaration of biafra ? it cannot happen because the igbo elites have removed the secession clause from the constitution

. And so the igbo man walks around wandering why he has never tasted power since then but he is not understanding all this is his own creation. you removed regional government and then banned secessional clause in a majority hausa country ( one man one vote ), what were you expecting ? the ability to now get power now from the hausa now only depends on how much of a sagacious and charismatic politician you are, which as of today only the yoruba tribe has been able to produce these types of men who can politic with the hausa-fulani and appeal to them to share the power with them. And on a side note, while the igbo man was on top, there was an ijaw man who felt that the oil from his region was not benefitting his region and he started the first secessional movement in the history of nigeria to declare the south south a republic ( he is the originator of this-i want to secede out of nigeria), his name is ISAAC ADAKA BORO, guess what ojukwu did to him ? ojukwu crushed him and his movement and it was BORO ADAKAS movement that made ojukwu and aguiyi to remove the secessional clause from the nigerian constitution. a few months later when the hausas took over ? the same ojukwu who removed the secessional clause now declared biafra wants to secede from nigeria LMAOOO.[/s]

nku5:
Your post is supposed to be about misinformation but 99% is falsehood and blatant lies. What you have typed shows that you are misinformed yourself or an agent of propaganda and misinformation.

Gowon dismantled regions and created all these plenty useless states but misinformation has led you to call Ironsi's name

DubaiLandLord:
Nah wah o.

No wander Muritala also wanted to secced at first.

The cries for Biafra got this loud after GMB became the president.

When you check threads on Nairaland during GEJ tenure, you will hardly find an Igbo man talking about Biafra on Nairaland.

There were smiling and enjoying one Nigeria back then

GEJ even said Igbos are the pillar of his Government.

Most of them became Biafra fanatics when they lost out in ABJ.

obehi247:
the Igbo's should first apologize because they started the political killings in Nigeria and also, plot a coup against a democratic government in the first republic.

if anybody should apologize, it must be the Igbo's before other ethnic nationality will then see reasons to forgive the Igbo's and then settle differences

SeunTheOwner:
Invasion of Ore was it a drill?

Redcrafton:
So what do we do now? What did you do in the SS...after you stole Igbo properties as the outcome of the shortsightedness...

If you were the head of state and there was crisis, how would you hold the country together at that time?

This has nothing to with the Igbo elite and the military command has nothing to do with the Igbos.

Also now that the same Igbos wan to change that shortsightedness...why are you people against them?

Don't they have the right to try and undo what they have done?

Now where is that common sense of yours

HEAVEN4444:
its too late. the shortsightedness favors the men in power. and they will defend it. listen the point here is the shorsightedness of the igbo elites has created a situation where we are all at the mercy of the north. the north have the population and the power. and no they will not allow you to change the mistake you made because it favors them. and they have the power to defend the mistake you made lol

Notasyouthink:
By saying that Igbos started political killings in Nigeria means, that you've acknowledged that most part of delta state is Igbo because that's where Kaduna nzeogwu who happens to be the leader of the coup comes from.

Secondly, do you know that about one or two Yoruba men were involved in the so-called coup??
What do you have to say about that??

IGBOS MARGINALISATION OF NIGERIANS
*THIS IS THE REASON WHY HAUSAS, YORUBAS, EDO AND THE NIGER DELTA MAN WILL NOT TRUST THE IBO MAN AT THE CENTER AND WHY THE HAUSAS MAY NOT WANT TO RELINQUISH POWER IN NIGERIA*
Any historians in the house to vet this:
Forgotten History Of Igbo Tribe And Northern Alliance?
Do you know that when Tafawa Balewa was Prime Minister of Nigeria;
Chief of Army Staff was from SE
Chief of Naval Staff was from SE
IG of Police was from SE
Chief of Defence Staff was from SE
Internal Affairs Minister SE
External Affairs Minister SE
Education Minister South SE
Many other key ministries to SE
Parliament President SE
Unilag VC from SE
The University of Ibadan VC from SE
North resisted same at ABU!
Still, there was dissatisfaction by SE, the officers from the region killed this same Balewa!!!!
Out of all the most senior officers in Nigeria, SE has 37, none was killed. 8 from the north, all of them were killed. 10 from the west, 2 were killed.
Then Ironsi imposed a unitary system of government on the country so that everything can belong to a region who snatched it!
We must know our history so that when we want to make corrections, we will not end up concealing the truth. This has nothing to do with tribalism but everything to do with the truth.....at times when lies litter the streets. There is a tendency to think those are truths and facts.
*What follows are documented facts that can be cross-checked for authenticity!"*
Thou shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free.
*“Prof. Ben Nwabueze was the man who drafted the constitution that took away powers from regions and handed it to the central government because his brother Aguiyi Ironsi was the head of state then but some ignorant or selfish people limit their accusations to only Abdussalam Abubakar constitution that give birth to current democratic govt. Today, they're shouting restructuring that they helped to destroy. We won’t forget.”*.
WHAT SOME GROUP OF PEOPLE WILL NEVER TELL U ABOUT THEIR WOES
The Igbo man is known to enjoy blaming the Hausa fulanis, Yorubas and indeed every other Nigerian tribe and Lord Luggard/Britain for their seeming claim of being in third class citizen status in Nigeria. In their perpetual attempts to play the victim card, they recount the political events of Nigeria from 1914 to the present in a half-baked and highly selective manner which cleverly avoids the mention of the roles played by their elite who by all natural laws of judgement were actually responsible for the woes that befell not only the Igbo race but the entire Nigeria nation.
However, the national archives have the complete and unedited history of Nigeria regarding the political events beginning way back from even before 1914.
Shortly after the 1914 Amalgamation of the Northern and Southern Protectorates, it started getting clear that the country was bound to fail as the amalgamation in question was done with colonial fiat without the consent and consensus of the different tribes which were over 300. This prompted the political leaders to start asking for de-amalgamation so as to forestall the future danger which the forced amalgamation portended.
To that end, Ahmadu Bello, speaking on behalf of the Northern protectorate in 1944 described the amalgamation as "The mistake of 1914 which if allowed to remain will ultimately lead to unstoppable bloodshed and a failed country".
Awolowo, speaking on behalf of the Yorubas and Western minorities, described Nigeria as a mere geographical expression not qualified to be called a country let alone a nation. Awolowo added that if the amalgamation could not be reversed, then Nigeria should be structured as a strictly federal state so as to enable each tribe enjoy autonomy this freedom from being dominated by any one single tribe.
But Nnamdi Azikiwe, speaking for the Igbos, denounced Awolowo and Ahmadu Bello, terming them ethnic champions. He accused them of nursing a sectional agenda against the unity of Nigeria, and he declared further that the Unity of Nigeria was non-negotiable.
After moving the motion for independece in 1953, Anthony Enahoro proposed that a secession clause should be incorporated into the future constitution of Nigeria so as to give legal backing for any tribe to peacefully exit the forced union if it feels marginalized in future. According to Enahoro, such provision in our constitution would instill in all Nigeria's future leaders the fear of the consequences of misgovernance. But Azikiwe, speaking on behalf of Igbos, rose against him in the parliament and labelled him an agent of disunity, and enemy of Nigeria. At a later date, Awolowo too made a case for secession clause, but Azikiwe again resisted him and instigated the colonial authorities to threaten him and Enahoro with charges of treasonable felony if they didn't stop proposing secession clause for the future constitution. While Azikiwe did all these, Igbos cheered and urged him on because they felt the future Nigeria was theirs to dominate and lord it over every other tribe
Before independece, Tafawa Balewa too had in a public speech described Nigeria as a British experiment and Nigeria's unity as a British intention which Nigerians themselves don't believe in. But Azikiwe kicked and demonized him too. Had Azikiwe co-operated with Enahoro, Awolowo, Ahmadu Bello and Tafawa Balewa about the secession clause, Nigeria perhaps would not have been this misgoverned.
It should be noted that there were many Igbo members of the parliament in which Azikiwe fought against Awolowo's secession clause proposal in the link above, but not a single one of them rose against Azikiwe or condemned him.
Igbos initially never wanted to hear anything like secession in Nigeria because they so much believed, though falsely, that they were the most educated tribe.
As an evidence of Igbo domination agenda hence their initial resistance to the idea of secession; here is a quote:
"From all indications, the god of us Igbos have destined us to rule the whole of Africa"
Northerners have clearly known this & will never succumb to cheap political trick, how can u call us backward and at the same time asking us to go back to 1963 constitution talkless of even amending the current constitution?

Grayoso:
It was not Ojukwu as OP stated. It was Azikiwe who never denied what he did and even bragged about it.

Documented History is there to educate us and remind everyone of the role our fathers and grandfathers played in getting us where we are today. OP is however totally correct that the actions of Igbos is directly responsible for where Nigeria is today.

I would add that the North, right behind Igbos, is the next main culprit for the negatives attached to where Nigeria is today.

The North partnered with Azikiwe to frustrate Awolowo.

The last chapter below shows why Igbos are an unreasonable people who would go on to blame Yorubas, till today, for their civil war loss while it was Azikiwe who made Ojukwu's attempt at secession unconstitutional and treasonous meaning Nigeria had to go to War against Biafra.

I just wonder when you Igbos will ever develop the decency and honesty to apologize to others for what you did instead of continuing to present yourselves, till today, as victims of Yoruba "betrayal" when your grandfathers and fathers were the historically verified betrayers.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/pmnewsnigeria.com/2019/04/27/flashback-why-i-opposed-awolowo-on-secession-zik/%3famp=1

Notasyouthink:
By saying that Igbos started political killings in Nigeria means, that you've acknowledged that most part of delta state is Igbo because that's where Kaduna nzeogwu who happens to be the leader of the coup comes from.

Secondly, do you know that about one or two Yoruba men were involved in the so-called coup??
What do you have to say about that??

Notasyouthink:
Point of correction, Biafran soldiers were intercepted in ore on their way to dordan barracks which happened to be the nigerian sit of power as of then.

Stop lying thinking that you are dealing with your average zoo animal.

purefacti:
you took the thought from my mouth
dear Nigerians allow us amend what we did wrong some times ago

Anyahuruagu:
I took my time to read this, i must say it's commendable. I never knew all these i hope they are vaid.

Deadlytruth:
In 1978, a chance was given by Obasanjo to Professor Nwabueze to correct that wrong given the role he played twelve years earlier in commiting that wrong. But as expected of the average Igbo man, he worsened it by further producing a report from his committe which recommend further centralization of powers and revenue, and that was what Obasanjo carried into the 1979 constitution which was replicated in the present 1999 version. So are you asking that Igbos be given another chance to fail us again?

Even the Peter Obi presently seeking to be president has just declared that he doesn't share the belief that the 1999 Constitution is Nigeria's problem but that corruption is it, and no Igbo person has denounced him so far but even applauding him as intelligent for that utterance and trying to rationalize it, yet you are laboring to have us believe that Igbos are sincerely interested in correcting the mistake they made that led us into this bottomless pit. You think you are talking to babies?

gidgiddy:
Theres a problem here. An Igbo man has not led Nigeria since July 1966, thats 56 years ago. In the last 56 years, all other zones have at one time led Nigeria, either in civilian or military guise

The questions therefore are these:

Why is Nigeria of today worse than it was 56 years ago?

Why are we more divided than we were 56 years ago?

Where are have the 4 Regions that existed 56 years ago disappeared to, and we now have 36 states?

What happened to resource control that existed 56 years ago when Ironsi was in power?

Why is Government even more centralised than it was 56 years ago?

Those who are saying that Igbos derailed Nigeria 56 years ago have all had the chance to lead Nigeria, but things are far worse than than they were 56 years ago

You all have ran Nigeria into the ground for 56 years, messed the place up, but you people still go back 56 years back in time to blame Igbos?

What a shame

Redcrafton:
So what do we do now? What did you do in the SS...after you stole Igbo properties as the outcome of the shortsightedness...

If you were the head of state and there was crisis, how would you hold the country together at that time?

This has nothing to with the Igbo elite and the military command has nothing to do with the Igbos.

Also now that the same Igbos wan to change that shortsightedness...why are you people against them?

Don't they have the right to try and undo what they have done?

Now where is that common sense of yours

3ple9iner:
Bro try and understand his point and don't just rush to reply.

You are talking as if you are pained as current Nigeria isn't favouring you but wouldn't mind continuing like that if it favours you.

Deadlytruth:
I just gave you one of the numerous examples of how the Igbos who participated in all the post-Ironsi government used their positions to further entrench unitary system yet you are still asking how come all other tribes have not been able to reverse Ironsi's denaturation of Nigeria with his Unitary Decree.
With Peter Obi presently campaigning against restructuring amidst cheers from his Igbo brethren just like it was with Azikiwe's resistance to federalism and secession clause, do you still need anyone to tell you that Igbos remain the biggest threat to restructuring and reversal of Ironsi's blunder?

gidgiddy:
What Im saying is, why havent you all that have been in power corrected whatever Ironsi did in 56 years? If Ironsi's decree 34 was a problem, why didnt other military leaders like Gowon, Murtala, Obasanjo, Buhari Babangida and Abacha promulgate Decree that would return us to where we were before Ironsi?

Instead, all these men enacted decrees that abolished the 4 Regions, and kept creating untary states until we had 36!

From 4 Regions under Ironsi, we now have 36 states

From resource control under Ironsi, Federal government government is now controlling everything

From fiscal federalism we had under Ironsi where the Regions paid the government at the centre, we now have the reverse of the federal government at the centre paying allocation to 36 states

Nigeria has been centralised and unitarised beyond belief!

All those who came after Ironsi did far far worse. 56 years of total mess by other Regions.

Compared to what other Regions and ethnic groups did to Nigeria in the last 56 years, Ironsi was a saint.

Deadlytruth:
In 1978, a chance was given by Obasanjo to Professor Nwabueze to correct that wrong given the role he played twelve years earlier in commiting that wrong. But as expected of the average Igbo man, he worsened it by further producing a report from his committe which recommend further centralization of powers and revenue, and that was what Obasanjo carried into the 1979 constitution which was replicated in the present 1999 version. So are you asking that Igbos be given another chance to fail us again?

Even the Peter Obi presently seeking to be president has just declared that he doesn't share the belief that the 1999 Constitution is Nigeria's problem but that corruption is it, and no Igbo person has denounced him so far but even applauding him as intelligent for that utterance and trying to rationalize it, yet you are laboring to have us believe that Igbos are sincerely interested in correcting the mistake they made that led us into this bottomless pit. You think you are talking to babies?

purefacti:
This time we will get it right even though what u said about prof nwabueze is hogwash