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RikudoSennin:
What makes you think the west is ready and Russia is not? Just curious. Russia has been on War mode since 2014 ramping up military production. For me, i think this war will likely settle scores for everyone and it will quickly turn nuclear.

Russia is 140m. The West is a combined 700m+ on 3 different continents separated by oceans.

Russia has home turf advantage. But they're technologically behind the West in key areas. For instance, they are woefully behind the West in drone warfare. Another example is that the US has a massive collection of airborne and space-based surveillance and RECON assets that far exceeds current Russian capabilities.

Ideally, Russia will wait until China achieves parity with the West, then leech off China. But the West knows this and are trying to force a confrontation now.

Also, the West will conduct brutal warfare on Russia since they'll be on the backfoot. You should read about Allied atrocities during the Second World War. The Germans introduced carpet bombing in Netherlands. But the Allieds hit back severely in places like Dresden and Tokyo even after they had the upper hand. Forget all these human rights and civility you see choreographed, the West can be savage. And the collective West has spent the last 70 or so years dehumanizing the Russians to their native populations, such that whatever action is meted out will be justified as necessary and that the Russians have had it coming for too long.

When the US dropped the bombs on Nagasaki and Hiroshima, the home population was not properly notified of the horror. Pics were banned from being circulated. They were just told about a game-changing weapon being used and that was it.

Perhaps, one of the most important weapon for the West is internal sabotage. Russia is not homogenous. It is a huge empire, even today. And a lot of their power brokers have divided loyalties. A lot of them will sell off their homeland for a property in Aspen. Meanwhile, Western elites do not have such concerns. Even if everything goes to sh*t in Western Europe and US, they already have private jets on standby 24/7 to head to safe havens on all continents except Asia. New Zealand, Argentina, Uruguay, South Africa, Namibia...

The only thing Russia really has is their stand-off offensive ability to strike the heart of the West. But once it gets to that level, there'll be no winners. They'll definitely take out places like London, New York, Paris, but it'll mostly be symbolic even though tens of millions will die. Russia itself will not recover as a global power after the retribution. It'll become like Greece.

These and several reasons are why Putin is acting restrained, letting the Russian military seemingly lose face in Ukraine, and not responding forcefully to actions like the Moskva sinking and strikes in Belgorod and Crimea. It's also why he agreed to a "no-limits" relationship with China. All they have to do is hold the line and wait for China to catch up, then turn the entire Eurasia--from Kiev through Astana to Tibet to an impregnable fortress--from which they'll exact revenge they've been holding out on for centuries against the middling and arrogant West.

So yea, Russia is not ready. The Ukraine conflict was their hands been forced. Damned if the do. Damned if they don't. And Putin had to personally go explain to Xi why he had to act.

-Lord

The "Winter is coming" people will soon understand the adage of the child who looked his father in the blockos

https://graphics.reuters.com/UKRAINE-CRISIS/EUROPE-GAS/zdvxozxzopx/

okeysoninv:
if they had told you last year Russia will invade Ukraine you would still say its not possible. we are watching as things unfold. my words are not mere words but prophetic.

I would not have said so. Ukraine is Russia's red line. If Putin had allowed Western plans in Ukraine to continue unopposed, it'll have been game over for Russia.

I may have disputed the timeline. But they'd already established precedence with Georgia and Crimea. Ukraine has been begging for a smack for too long and unlike the P+3B, they don't have Article 5 cover.

-Lord

LordAdam16:
Russia is 140m. The West is a combined 700m+ on 3 different continents separated by oceans.

Russia has home turf advantage. But they're technologically behind the West in key areas. For instance, they are woefully behind the West in drone warfare. Another example is that the US has a massive collection of airborne and space-based surveillance and RECON assets that far exceeds current Russian capabilities.

Ideally, Russia will wait until China achieves parity with the West, then leech off China. But the West knows this and are trying to force a confrontation now.

Also, the West will conduct brutal warfare on Russia. You should read about Allied atrocities during the Second World War. The Germans introduced carpet bombing in Netherlands. But the Allieds hit back severely in places like Dresden and Tokyo even after they had the upper hand. Forget all these human rights and civility you see choreographed, the West can be savage. And the collective West has spent the last 70 or so years dehumanizing the Russians to their native populations, such that whatever action is meted out will be justified as necessary and that the Russians have had it coming for too long.

When the US dropped the bombs on Nagasaki and Hiroshima, the home population was not properly notified of the horror. Pics were banned from being circulated. They were just told about a game-changing weapon being used and that was it.

Perhaps, one of the most important weapon for the West is internal sabotage. Russia is not homogenous. It is a huge empire, even today. And a lot of their power brokers have divided loyalties. A lot of them will sell off their homeland for a property in Aspen. Meanwhile, Western elites do not have such concerns. Even if everything goes to sh*t in Western Europe and US, they already have private jets on standby 24/7 to head to safe havens on all continents except Asia. New Zealand, Argentina, Uruguay, South Africa, Namibia...

The only thing Russia really has is their stand-off offensive ability to strike the heart of the West. But once it gets to that level, there'll be no winners. They'll definitely take out places like London, New York, Paris, but it'll mostly be symbolic even though tens of millions will die. Russia itself will not recover as a global power after the retribution. It'll become like Greece.

These and several reasons are why Putin is acting restrained, letting the Russian military seemingly lose face in Ukraine, and not responding forcefully to actions like the Moskva sinking and strikes in Belgorod and Crimea. It's also why he agreed to a "no-limits" relationship with China. All they have to do is hold the line and wait for China to catch up, then turn the entire Eurasia--from Kiev through Astana to Tibet to an impregnable fortress--from which they'll exact revenge they've been holding out on for centuries against the middling and arrogant West.

So yea, Russia is not ready. The Ukraine conflict was their hands been forced. Damned if the do. Damned if they don't. And Putin had to personally go explain to Xi why he had to act.

-Lord

The pact with China is mostly economic which is why they said no-limits because Russia knew the sanctions will come. Putin personally had to go to China to tell Xi? When was this? It was Lavrov doing most of the traveling and he never went to China.

I think you are underestimating Russia most especially "the allies can be brutal". Brutal when AD are on standby? Both can be brutal if need be. The only area Russia is lagging behind is the drones aspect and Iran can always cover for that. Russia is playing a long game, they can afford to wait it out, the west cannot. Euro is now 0.996. Their economy is debt ridden and crashing, so they need the war now to offset their debts. Everyone knows this. Let them deal with their economies first before they even think of Russia. They know what winter will bring, so they are ramping up the provocations. Moskva sinking was retaliated with the Military warehouse in the UK getting burnt and a ship in the US as well.

Only offensive when ASAT, Hypersonic, Poseidon, Onyx, laser and others are on standby? I do not want to talk about Nukes cos everyone has that. Why do you think the Balts and the Polish were crying when Russia deployed 3 MIG with Dagger hypersonic to Kaliningrad? There is no internal sabotage in the west? Like i said, you are underestimating Russia, they have been working 3 shifts on military production since 2014. Russia is using 60k shells per day in Ukraine while the west are currently low on ammo.

Nobody knows how it will go if eventually we get WW3, all we can do is speculate.

A senior Russian diplomat has ruled out a diplomatic solution to end the war in Ukraine. Gennady Gatilov, Russia’s permanent representative to the UN in Geneva, told the Financial Times that there would be no direct talks between Vladimir Putin and Volodymyr Zelenskiy, adding that Moscow expects a prolonged conflict.

Uprightness100:
Status Update: High Risk of Israel-Hezbollah Fight

(Israel radar)

Nice one. Da terrorist hezbollah need to be taught some lessons.

LordAdam16:
Russia is 140m. The West is a combined 700m+ on 3 different continents separated by oceans.

Russia has home turf advantage. But they're technologically behind the West in key areas. For instance, they are woefully behind the West in drone warfare. Another example is that the US has a massive collection of airborne and space-based surveillance and RECON assets that far exceeds current Russian capabilities.

Ideally, Russia will wait until China achieves parity with the West, then leech off China. But the West knows this and are trying to force a confrontation now.

Also, the West will conduct brutal warfare on Russia since they'll be on the backfoot. You should read about Allied atrocities during the Second World War. The Germans introduced carpet bombing in Netherlands. But the Allieds hit back severely in places like Dresden and Tokyo even after they had the upper hand. Forget all these human rights and civility you see choreographed, the West can be savage. And the collective West has spent the last 70 or so years dehumanizing the Russians to their native populations, such that whatever action is meted out will be justified as necessary and that the Russians have had it coming for too long.

When the US dropped the bombs on Nagasaki and Hiroshima, the home population was not properly notified of the horror. Pics were banned from being circulated. They were just told about a game-changing weapon being used and that was it.

Perhaps, one of the most important weapon for the West is internal sabotage. Russia is not homogenous. It is a huge empire, even today. And a lot of their power brokers have divided loyalties. A lot of them will sell off their homeland for a property in Aspen. Meanwhile, Western elites do not have such concerns. Even if everything goes to sh*t in Western Europe and US, they already have private jets on standby 24/7 to head to safe havens on all continents except Asia. New Zealand, Argentina, Uruguay, South Africa, Namibia...

The only thing Russia really has is their stand-off offensive ability to strike the heart of the West. But once it gets to that level, there'll be no winners. They'll definitely take out places like London, New York, Paris, but it'll mostly be symbolic even though tens of millions will die. Russia itself will not recover as a global power after the retribution. It'll become like Greece.

These and several reasons are why Putin is acting restrained, letting the Russian military seemingly lose face in Ukraine, and not responding forcefully to actions like the Moskva sinking and strikes in Belgorod and Crimea. It's also why he agreed to a "no-limits" relationship with China. All they have to do is hold the line and wait for China to catch up, then turn the entire Eurasia--from Kiev through Astana to Tibet to an impregnable fortress--from which they'll exact revenge they've been holding out on for centuries against the middling and arrogant West.

So yea, Russia is not ready. The Ukraine conflict was their hands been forced. Damned if the do. Damned if they don't. And Putin had to personally go explain to Xi why he had to act.
-Lord

you were making sense before your catastrophic ending, Russia is not afraid of anyone. Russia has CSTO defense pact and a major defense pact with china in collective defense and deterrence, Russia has stated that its nukes are for defense purposes, despite US porous airspace with loose defense systems with limited range, a preemptive strike on US military hardware and depots will be very devastating for US, Russia does not have military or economic interest in provoking a war with NATO. its only objective is the accomplishment of its military operation in Ukraine which is the liberation of the Russian speaking population who have been marginalized and terrorized especially by the Nazi azov battalion which Ukraine incorporated into its military. Russian language is native to most southern and eastern Ukraine it was banned and people there are being forced to learn Ukraine language, even these regions books, songs, letters and any thing related Russian is banned, this is ethnic cleansing.
Zelensky is the cause of the whole situation, he threw minsk agreement and several agreements with Russia into the bin because Biden promised him security and NATO membership, absolute delusion, such a scenario will allow Ukraine to continue utter destruction of Russian identity in southern and eastern Ukraine where ethnic Russians dwell and complete crush of DPR & LPR as well as incursion into Crimea, infact Russia prevented ww3 by launching this operation.
Zelensky has been profiting very well in this war, but not for long, time is on Russia side, 'winter is coming', Europe will implode from the inside out, it will be fun to watch, while the Ukraine statistics of Russian loses is propaganda to give their masters and donors the sense their donations is been put to use lol, if it where to be put in real perspective those figures are a small fragment of Russia enormous stockpiles of military hardware, I have seen that western media are tired of predicting when Russia military stocks will finish am still waiting, recently they confess its enormous.
Also note that any entry of NATO or any foreign military into ukraine will have this country automatically part of the war and will be a legitimate targets, no wonder Georgia denied joining Ukraine in the war over lost territories, they declined Biden in excuse that their country may not exist as soon as they step foot into those Russian territories
This recklessness of US its allies & NATO in ukraine has given russia, china, iran, north korea etc permission to supply, train and locate targets for current and future military confrontations with any country especially US and its allies.
Glory to Russia, welcome to the multipolar world

cybertyrant:
you were making sense before you catastrophic ending, Biden promised him security and NATO membership, absolute delusion, this scenario will allow Ukraine to continue utter destruction of Russian identity in southern and eastern Ukraine where ethnic Russians dwell and complete crush of DPR & LPR as well as incursion into Crimea, infact Russia prevented ww3 by launching this

Please supply us a link to the bolded.

Thanks.

Uprightness100:
Dr. Fauci announces his resignation as NIAID director and chief medical advisor to Biden.

Wetin happen

baralatie:
Wetin happen

After more than 50 years in service. He needs to go and rest.

cybertyrant:
you were making sense before your catastrophic ending, Russia is not afraid of anyone. Russia has CSTO defense pact and a major defense pact with china in collective defense and deterrence,

Thank you! Like the Russians always say, Russia has no friends but its Army and Navy. NATO is 30+ if they are not scared of Russia, let them venture into this SMO.

jimetagambo:
Please supply us a link to the bolded.

Thanks.

try to be useful, google is your friend, try to be smart, don't be the last person in class

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukrainian-president-zelenskiy-holding-talks-with-biden-adviser-says-2021-12-09/

cybertyrant:
try to be useful, google is your friend, try to be smart, don't be the last person in class

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukrainian-president-zelenskiy-holding-talks-with-biden-adviser-says-2021-12-09/

After about 30minutes of you searching the internet, this is the best you can come up with. I understand English Comprehension is a very big issue in Nigeria.

Did you read the content of your link? Screenshot where Biden promised Zekensky NATO membership.

RikudoSennin:
The pact with China is mostly economic which is why they said no-limits because Russia knew the sanctions will come. Putin personally had to go to China to tell Xi? When was this? It was Lavrov doing most of the traveling and he never went to China.

Feb. 4.

https://tass.com/politics/1397659

I think you are underestimating Russia most especially "the allies can be brutal". Brutal when AD are on standby? Both can be brutal if need be.

A conventional war will be fought in Russia. Russia will be on the defensive. AD can be overwhelmed. And I'm not entirely convinced that the West does not have hypersonic capabilities. Russia's brutality is storied, but is not a concern when they are on the back foot.

[quote[The only area Russia is lagging behind is the drones aspect and Iran can always cover for that.[/quote]Iran cannot cover Russia's deficiencies in drone warfare versus the entire West. Especially, when they'll have their hands full with Israel + Saudi Arabia + Turkey.

Russia is playing a long game, they can afford to wait it out, the west cannot. Euro is now 0.996. Their economy is debt ridden and crashing, so they need the war now to offset their debts. Everyone knows this. They know what winter will bring, so they are ramping up the provocations.

Who would force the West to pay their debts? Not even China will do so? Forcing the war is mostly geopolitical. The economic consequence is overblown. At the worst, even without a confrontation, several governments will collapse, but the replacements will still be from the WEF gang.

Have you thought about what will happen after Winter? IMO, Europe will be fine.

Moskva sinking was retaliated with the Military warehouse in the UK getting burnt and a ship in the US as well.

That's not a like-for-like response. NATO has also struck depots within Russia. The Moskva was a flagship vessel. A warship of similar profile in the the US/UK/Polish navy should have been sunk.

Only offensive when ASAT, Hypersonic, Poseidon, Onyx, laser and others are on standby? I do not want to talk about Nukes cos everyone has that.

Those capabilities will only make the War bloodier. It does not fundamentally alter the assessment that Russia needs more time to mount a successful defense + counter-attack against the West.

Why do you think the Balts and the Polish were crying when Russia deployed 3 MIG with Dagger hypersonic to Kaliningrad?

The 3B + P will always wail about Russia. Their hate for Russia is genetic. They'd be sacrificed as collateral damage in a Russia-West war. It's not like they have a choice. If they don't act as Western lemmings, they'll betray each other, or Turkey and Russia will share their territories. The Baltic has been a cesspit of geopolitical intrigue for centuries. That'll always be the case.

Always regard their reactions and actions as noise.

There is no internal sabotage in the west?

Not at Russia's level. Core Russian ideologues will not even argue this.

Like i said, you are underestimating Russia, they have been working 3 shifts on military production since 2014. Russia is using 60k shells per day in Ukraine while the west are currently low on ammo.

I'm not underestimating Russia. You're the one underestimating what a War effort by the West will look like.

Nobody knows how it will go if eventually we get WW3, all we can do is speculate.

I agree. I can't predict to the letter how hostilities will play out, but there are realities that are indisputable. The West has been ready for a confrontation with Russia since the Soviet Union collapsed. They hoped it would not come to a head but Putin thwarted their best-laid plans. And although it would have being best to wait until he left, that would have been too late in the context of China.

On the opposing side, Russia and China have been playing catch up. And although there are many who like Russian and/or Chinese chances as of today, I'm relatively more skeptic.

That does not mean that I expect the West to roll over Russia. I actually expect the West to embark on a major soul-searching once their losses begin to mount. The Americans and Brits are hoping the rest of Europe will sustain disproportionate losses on their behalf, again, but Vietnam will be a picnic compared to what they'll face. After the Ukrainians+Poles+Finns+Balts are put down viciously by the Russian War Machine, it could very easily become Napoleon 2.0. I fully expect the DPAA to seize functioning as there'll be too many mangled body parts to repatriate. To say nothing of our Japa gang brothers who are raking to start escaping back to Nigeria after they're told to go bleed in -10 degrees in Siberia.

That said, the Russian losses will be biblical. And that is the point I'm trying to make.

-Lord

jimetagambo:
After about 30minutes of you searching the internet, this is the best you can come up with. I understand English Comprehension is a very big issue in Nigeria.

Did you read the content of your link? Screenshot where Biden promised Zekensky NATO membership.

you are a total waste of my time, how about you show me the picture of your brain, you believe its in your head right?,but what if its not there, you cannot confirm it because you haven't seen it, very disappointing lol , i should be right if i say you dont have brains

cybertyrant:
you are a total waste of my time, how about you show me the picture of your brain, you believe its in your head right?,but what if its not there, you cannot be confirmed because you haven't seen it, very disappointing lol , i should be right if i say you dont have brains

Some of you will just stay in your 9 x 9 ft room inside your face-me-I-face-you block, and be typing in the nonsense.

Post a link where Biden promised Zekensky NATO membership and you start insulting.

jimetagambo:
Some of you will just stay in your 9 X 9 ft room inside your face me I face you block, and be typing in the nonsense.

Post a link where Biden promised Zekensky NATO membership and you start insulting.

are you angry, you disapprove logic that is why you resort to insults, intellects engage in debate with smart counter but losers chicken out with insults lol bye

cybertyrant:
are you angry, you disapprove logic that is why you resort to insults, intellects engage in debate with smart counter but losers chicken out with insults lol bye

You insulted me first, and I returned your insult. Stop your nonsense projection.

Bye bye. Don't let the door hit your black arse on your way out. Next time, you would think well before posting lies on Nairaland.

jimetagambo:
You insulted me first, and I returned your insult. Stop your nonsense projection.

Bye bye. Don't let the door hit your black arse on your way out. Next time, you would think well before posting lies on Nairaland.

lies that you don't have brains lol ok