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cornelboy:
Are you saying that there's a SPIRITUAL grave?
Perhaps there is.
Let's study through some verses of the Bible.

KJV
Genesis 37:35
And all his sons and all his daughters rose up to comfort him; but he refused to be comforted; and he said, For I will go down into the grave unto my son [/b]mourning. Thus his father wept for him.


You should notice that Jacob thought was to go meet his son in the grave. It sounds more like a spiritual grave, doesn't it?

The Hebrew word for [b]grave in the above verse is "She'ol". You see that "She'ol" was clearly translated to 'grave'.

While in another verse;
KJV
Psalms 16:10
For thou wilt not leave my soul in hell; neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.

New King James Version.
For You will not leave my soul in Sheol, Nor will You allow Your Holy One to see corruption.

You see yourself that the same Hebrew word "She'ol" was translated to both hell and and grave.


Those two verses without reasonable doubt prove that grave and hell are the same thing.


Those that translated the KJV are so skilled in meddling and disturbing our brains.
I'm free from their inconsistent and deviant translations though.

So is hell different from grave?
Absolutely not!

Yes, in a sense, hell is a spiritual grave. It is in the heart of the earth. Deeper than the deepest ocean and hotter than any earthly furnace. It is a place you should not even wish your enemy goes to.

Ken4Christ:
Yes, in a sense, hell is a spiritual grave. It is in the heart of the earth. Deeper than the deepest ocean and hotter than any earthly furnace. It is a place you should not even wish your enemy goes to.

Delusion at it's peak!

Ken4Christ:
Yes, in a sense, hell is a spiritual grave. It is in the heart of the earth. Deeper than the deepest ocean and hotter than any earthly furnace. It is a place you should not even wish your enemy goes to.

There's nothing like a spiritual grave.
Hell is simply the same as grave.
Grave is grave. Nothing like spiritual or physical grave.

You should support your points with Bible verses not from your imaginations.

cornelboy:
There's nothing like a spiritual grave.
Hell is simply the same as grave.
Grave is grave. Nothing like spiritual or physical grave.
You should support your points with Bible verses not from your imaginations.

Jesus used idioms so they took it literal but when you ask them to talk about the rest of the idioms found in Jesus' words they will get lost!

cornelboy:
There's nothing like a spiritual grave.
Hell is simply the same as grave.
Grave is grave. Nothing like spiritual or physical grave.

You should support your points with Bible verses not from your imaginations.

Interpret the passage below for me. Na stubborn fly dey follow dead body enter grave ooo.

Matthew 13:37-43
37 He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man;
38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;
39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.
40 As therefore the tares are gathered and BURNED IN THE FIRE; so shall it be in the end of this world.
41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;
42 And shall cast them into a FURNACE OF FIRE: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.
43 Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.

MaxInDHouse:
Delusion at it's peak!

It isn't. Virtually every thing you see in the physical world is a type of what exist in the spiritual world.

You have a physical heaven. You also have the spiritual heaven that the optical eyes cannot see.

We have the physical earth. You also have the spiritual earth that has different entrance to hell beneath. Only departed souls see the spiritual earth.

The size of hell is so big that it can accommodate billions of people. And there are different kind of cells in it.

The soul of Jonah went to one of the cells. And Jonah narrated that he was locked up with bars before his release. His torment was so severe that he cried from the belly of hell - Jonah 2:2.

The narration of Jonah story refutes your claim that the dead are not conscious.

Don't tell me that Jonah was alive in the fish belly for the three days. Even if he was, his story did not reveal activities that took place in the fish belly. It proves he was someone else. And that part of him that was somewhere else is his soul.

My friend, hell is real. Otherwise Jesus will not use an imaginary place to tell the story of the rich man and Lazarus. Even a drunkard will not do that.

Ken4Christ:
The soul of Jonah went to one of the cells. And Jonah narrated that he was locked up with bars before his release. His torment was so severe that he cried from the belly of hell - Jonah 2:2.
The narration of Jonah story refutes your claim that the dead are not conscious.
Don't tell me that Jonah was alive in the fish belly for the three days. Even if he was, his story did not reveal activities that took place in the fish belly. It proves he was someone else. And that part of him that was somewhere else is his soul.

Jonah was thrown into the sea and he himself saw the whale that swallowed him so he wasn't seeing a vision rather it was happening live. What baffled Jonah was the fact that he wasn't dead in the belly of the whale instead he noticed that he's like in a coffin been carried to somewhere. That's why he began praying to God with tears that he's now fully prepared for the mission. So my friend Jonah was alive in the belly of that fish which supposed to be his Grave (Hell)

Ken4Christ:
My friend, hell is real. Otherwise Jesus will not use an imaginary place to tell the story of the rich man and Lazarus. Even a drunkard will not do that.

You don't make friends by cursing people who disagree with your interpretation of the scriptures.
Lazarus and the rich man never happened it was an illustration directed at the Pharisees and they perfectly grasp the message Jesus passed through that illustration!

MaxInDHouse:
Jonah was thrown into the sea and he himself saw the whale that swallowed him so he wasn't seeing a vision rather it was happening live. What baffled Jonah was the fact that he wasn't dead in the belly of the whale instead he noticed that he's like in a coffin been carried to somewhere. That's why he began praying to God with tears that he's now fully prepared for the mission. So my friend Jonah was alive in the belly of that fish which supposed to be his Grave (Hell)

You don't make friends by cursing people who disagree with your interpretation of the scriptures.
Lazarus and the rich man never happened it was an illustration directed at the Pharisees and they perfectly grasp the message Jesus passed through that illustration!

You assertion that it's a parable does not make sense. Even if it is, it points to the fact that there is a place of torment for the wicked. You think Jesus will just use an imaginary place to give a parable. And there are other passages that Jesus use to warn us of that horrible place.

In the parable of the takents, he concluded by saying that the unprofitable servant will be cast into the outer darkness. He is talking about the same place. Hell is very dark. The only light there is the fire that burns. He also added that they will weep and gnashed their teeth night and day.

In the Parable of the sheep and goat, he said that the goats will be cast into Everlasting fire that was prepared for the devil and his angels. What other proof do you need? You pretend as though you don't know that these verses exist.

In the parable of the tares, he said in just the ways the tares are burned, that the wicked will be thrown into the fire.

And most times Jesus talks about hell, he always use the phrase, 'cast into hell' which also means 'thrown into hell'. Do you throw people into grave? Why are you stubborn from accepting the truth that is revealed in the scripture. Must you hold on to a doctrine formed by one child of the devil who is already burning in hell. I sound a little bit insulting because I thought by now you should be convinced with the overwhelming evidences of the Scripture I have given so far.

I don't think it's worth it discussing this issue with you again. He who has ears to hear, let him ear.

Ken4Christ:
Hell is very dark. The only light there is the fire that burns.

So how did the rich man see Abraham and Lazarus since they're not in the same place?

Ken4Christ:
Interpret the passage below for me. Na stubborn fly dey follow dead body enter grave ooo.
Matthew 13:37-43
37 He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man;
38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;
39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.
41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;
43 Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.

There's nothing hard there nah.

40 As therefore the tares are gathered and BURNED IN THE FIRE; so shall it be in the end of this world.

The tares represent the evil ones.
The "burning in fire" represents their destruction.

What'd happen if you put fire on a heap of dried grasses you gathered after clearing a bush on a farmland?
The dried grasses or weeds would definitely be consumed. No traces of them.

The same with chapter 42.

No hell or hell fire is even mentioned throughout the chapter.

MaxInDHouse:
So how did the rich man see Abraham and Lazarus since they're not in the same place?

Lol. No kill this guy na

cornelboy:
Lol. No kill this guy na

Faithless churchgoers needed it because they want to apply illustrations literally!

MaxInDHouse:
It's either you keep what you know to yourself or present a better performing group than the one i know that's making use of God's laws to benefit all members!

You don't need jesus..

Follow the laws as divinely revealed in the Torah..
There was never any need for jesus,God already provided the laws that will enable us live in peace and enjoy life..
That is all I have been singing in your ears..

sonmvayina:
You don't need jesus..

Follow the laws as divinely revealed in the Torah..
There was never any need for jesus,God already provided the laws that will enable us live in peace and enjoy life..
That is all I have been singing in your ears..

Give me a vivid example of people who are cohabiting peacefully without Jesus first!

cornelboy:
There's nothing hard there nah.

The tares represent the evil ones.
The "burning in fire" represents their destruction.

What'd happen if you put fire on a heap of dried grasses you gathered after clearing a bush on a farmland?
The dried grasses or weeds would definitely be consumed. No traces of them.

The same with chapter 42.

No hell or hell fire is even mentioned throughout the chapter.

The soul of a man never gets burnt up. Only the body. This is why Jesus said they will weep and gnash their teeth day and night.

In another place, it says that they will be tormented day and night forever.

Haven't you read about the beast and the false Prophet that will be thrown into the Lake of Fire in Revelation 19:20.

After 1,000 years of Jesus reign, the scripture says that they are still there. Satan was also thrown in there - Revelation 20:10.

They were not burnt up because it's their soul. That part of man is immortal.

MaxInDHouse:
So how did the rich man see Abraham and Lazarus since they're not in the same place?

Abraham bosom was also underneath the ground. It was separated from hell by a very deep gulf or valley. So, those in hell can see them but they can't cross over. God is his infinite mercy ensured they did not suffer heat in Abraham bosom.

A recent revelation by a woman who Jesus took to hell reveals that hell has expanded taken over that compartment that used to be Abraham's bosom.

Ken4Christ:
Abraham bosom was also underneath the ground. It was separated from hell by a very deep gulf or valley. So, those in hell can see them but they can't cross over. God is his infinite mercy ensured they did not suffer heat in Abraham bosom. A recent revelation by a woman who Jesus took to hell reveals that hell has expanded taken over that compartment that used to be Abraham's bosom.

Continue deceiving yourself!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YzFUXKk2B4I

Ken4Christ:
The soul of a man never gets burnt up. Only the body. This is why Jesus said they will weep and gnash their teeth day and night.
In another place, it says that they will be tormented day and night forever.
Haven't you read about the beast and the false Prophet that will be thrown into the Lake of Fire in Revelation 19:20.
After 1,000 years of Jesus reign, the scripture says that they are still there. Satan was also thrown in there - Revelation 20:10.
They were not burnt up because it's their soul. That part of man is immortal.

Matthew 10:28
[28]“Don’t be afraid of those who want to kill your body; they cannot touch your soul. Fear only God, who can destroy both soul and body in hell.
Ezekiel 18:4
[4]Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.

Do you believe in the Bible as God's word?

The Bible doesn't give the idea that the soul is immortal. Rather the soul can die or be destroyed.

If you really want to understand the scriptures, ask from one of the Jehovah witnesses. They understand the scriptures more than anyone.

MaxInDHouse:
Give me a vivid example of people who are cohabiting peacefully without Jesus first!

What role is he playing?

God already gave us all we need in the Torah.
Nothing else is needed..

Don't worry about being in a cult or group. If you have the chance teach people God's laws. Bringing in jesus into it is tantamount to idolatry...because jesus is supposed to be a man. God forbids such in his 10 commandments.. especially the 2nd one..

sonmvayina:
What role is he playing?
God already gave us all we need in the Torah.
Nothing else is needed..
Don't worry about being in a cult or group. If you have the chance teach people God's laws. Bringing in jesus into it is tantamount to idolatry...because jesus is supposed to be a man. God forbids such in his 10 commandments.. especially the 2nd one..

What role is your Torah playing and where is the vivid evidence of it's effectiveness?

MaxInDHouse:
Continue deceiving yourself!

That guy na something

cornelboy:
Matthew 10:28
[28]“Don’t be afraid of those who want to kill your body; they cannot touch your soul. Fear only God, who can destroy both soul and body in hell.
Ezekiel 18:4
[4]Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.

Do you believe in the Bible as God's word?

The Bible doesn't give the idea that the soul is immortal. Rather the soul can die or be destroyed.

If you really want to understand the scriptures, ask from one of the Jehovah witnesses. They understand the scriptures more than anyone.

I have told you before that the word soul is used in different context in the Bible. In one context, it refers to the totality of man. In another, it refers to that part of man which is immortal.

Do a research and find out if the origin of the word soul is the same in all context. You will find out that it is not the same.

Destruction of soul in hell refers to the eternal punishment and torment it will suffer.

Well, check my new post on the woman Jesus took to hell for 40 days. Read it with an open mind.

Ken4Christ:
I have told you before that the word soul is used in different context in the Bible. In one context, it refers to the totality of man. In another, it refers to that part of man which is immortal. Do a research and find out if the origin of the word soul is the same in all context. You will find out that it is not the same. Destruction of soul in hell refers to the eternal punishment and torment it will suffer.
Well, check my new post on the woman Jesus took to hell for 40 days. Read it with an open mind.

Instead of listening to the truth as found in the word of God it's false stories you people carry up and down just to extort money from gullible people who are also stupid like you {2Timothy 4:3-4} if truly your imaginary Hell is a place of judgement then what are so many people doing there and going back to tell stories?

And as, it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment: Hebrews 9:27

MaxInDHouse:
Instead of listening to the truth as found in the word of God it's false stories you people carry up and down just to extort money from gullible people who are also stupid like you {2Timothy 4:3-4} if truly your imaginary Hell is a place of judgement then what are so many people doing there and going back to tell stories?

And as, it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment: Hebrews 9:27

Just keep reading to the end. And check your heart as you read. If the narrator is just cooking up stories you will know.

And who on earth can imagine such things and begin to deceive people through false visions.

There is nothing she is narrating that is different from the warming the Lord has given us in the Bible. There is consistency.

Ken4Christ:
Just keep reading to the end. And check your heart as you read. If the narrator is just cooking up stories you will know.
And who on earth can imagine such things and begin to deceive people through false visions.
There is nothing she is narrating that is different from the warming the Lord has given us in the Bible. There is consistency.

Sorry i don't read STORIES!

MaxInDHouse:
Sorry i don't read STORIES!

I see. But you love reading your lies that does not stand the test of the Scripture.

By the way, Russell is in hell. He is waiting for you. When you get there, you will remember all these posts and the opportunities you threw away.

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I have told you before that the word soul is used in different context in the Bible. In one context, it refers to the totality of man. In another, it refers to that part of man which is immortal.

Ezekiel 18:4
[4]Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.

According to this aforementioned verse, does the "soul" mentioned there mean "the totality of man" or "the immortal part"?

You should bring one verse that says there's any part of us that is immortal.

Destruction of soul in hell refers to the eternal punishment and torment it will suffer.

What about the destruction of the body in hell according to Jesus at Mathew 10:28? Will the body also be destroyed eternally in hell?

Is the destruction in hell eternal? Didn't you say people in hell will be transferred to lake of fire?

Well, check my new post on the woman Jesus took to hell for 40 days. Read it with an open mind.

I don't believe no woman. I trust what the Bible says.

Do a research and find out if the origin of the word soul is the same in all context. You will find out that it is not the same.

I did the research already. I was actually once like you. I was deluded.

Ken4Christ:
The soul of a man never gets burnt up. Only the body. This is why Jesus said they will weep and gnash their teeth day and night.
In another place, it says that they will be tormented day and night forever.
Haven't you read about the beast and the false Prophet that will be thrown into the Lake of Fire in Revelation 19:20.
After 1,000 years of Jesus reign, the scripture says that they are still there. Satan was also thrown in there - Revelation 20:10.
They were not burnt up because it's their soul. That part of man is immortal.

Jesus said God can destroy both soul and body in hell?
How does the body get to hell?

Aren't dead bodies buried in literal graves and they decay there?

There's no doubt, grave is same as hell and the soul is the same as the person that died.

Ken4Christ:
I see. But you love reading your lies that does not stand the test of the Scripture.
By the way, Russell is in hell. He is waiting for you. When you get there, you will remember all these posts and the opportunities you threw away.

I don't read fables, i relied solely on reasoning from the scriptures. And as for Russell and his colleagues who started the end time campaign for God's Kingdom they're now with Jesus in heaven prepared to take over the earth and start their 1,000 year reign with Christ. Revelations 20:1-6
So keep your false stories to yourself!

cornelboy:
Jesus said God can destroy both soul and body in hell? How does the body get to hell? Aren't dead bodies buried in literal graves and they decay there? There's no doubt, grave is same as hell and the soul is the same as the person that died.

When they see many of their fellow Churchgoers turn to atheists they don't know that it's due to the fact that such once have made a thorough research and discovered that there is no place called Hell that's why they're no longer scared of the useless threats.
This one is just a thief who wants to make money from gullible people he already knew what hell really means but how will he threaten the fools around him to come and pay him tithe if he should declare the truth?

MaxInDHouse:
When they see many of their fellow Churchgoers turn to atheists they don't know that it's due to the fact that such once have made a thorough research and discovered that there is no place called Hell that's why they're no longer scared of the useless threats.
This one is just a thief who wants to make money from gullible people he already knew what hell really means but how will he threaten the fools around him to come and pay him tithe if he should declare the truth?

Why avoid the context of his point? U are yet to interprete the Bible passage.