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dermmy:
Xian H20 is already in development and flying tests will start very soon. Russia too is already developing Tupolev Pak DA

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tupolev_PAK_DA

stealth strategic bomber which will begin its own air tests next year. The Russian PAK DA looks cool and its in a position to rival America's B-21.

No not B21 but B2... The Americans are decades ahead of Russia and China in terms of Stealth technology. And you expect them to catch up with US latest tech that starts development 5yrs ago?... Their catch up should be with old Stealth tech like f22, B2 and F35 which they're even still yet to match not to mention this ultra modern tech that's still in development....

Simeonjoe1:
No they don't.
Only China is trying to develop one H20 but still yet the capabilities of isn't up to the 1980 B2 not to talk of the B21 ulta modern stealth bomber.

If Russian should develop one it should be blow or on par with the B2 not this B21.
Infact most of them are using the B2 engineering format. A flight wing, no vertical tail, top engine intake, and flat bottom edge design.

go update yourself

Simeonjoe1:
No not B21 but B2... The Americans are decades ahead of Russia and China in terms of Stealth technology. And you expect them to catch up with US latest tech that starts development 5yrs ago?... Their catch up should be with old Stealth tech like f22, B2 and F35 which they're even still yet to match not to mention this ultra modern tech that's still in development....

The way you guys believe no country can match any technology U.S deploys makes me laugh at times. The Tupolev Pak Da strategic bomber is being built with U.S latest stealth technology in mind so Russia won't build anything lesser and even Russia is building another which is a 6th gen fighter The Mikoyan Pak Dp/Mig-41with advanced stealth features and it will operate in near space much of the programme feature is still highly classified you can search for Mig-41 online it's on wikipedia too. I even read some where that the Mig-41 could have advanced features that U.S stealth planes don't have and could intercept hypersonic missiles..

The only delay I think they can have now is the due to the barrage of sanctions that has been placed on Russia but Tupolev and Mikoyan aircraft corporataion have said sanctions won't affect the development and timing of their programme cause they are sourcing all the materials locally even Pak Da will start air trials next year for the first prototype.

The true test of any weapon is the brutal school of combat. We can brag about U.S/Russia/China stealth technology but their true test is on the battlefield that is where the boss can be known but to just conclude that Russia and China are decades behind U.S in stealth technology is what I won't accept. The fact that U.S started building stealth planes before Russia/China does not mean Russia/China can't disrupt U.S stealth tech with their own tech.

dermmy:
The way you guys believe no country can match any technology U.S deploys makes me laugh at times. The Tupolev Pak Da strategic bomber is being built with U.S latest stealth technology in mind so Russia won't put anything below that out there and even Russia is building another which is a 6th gen fighter The Mikoyan Pak Dp/Mig-41with advanced stealth features and it will operate in near space much of the programme feature is still highly classified you can search for Mig-41 online it's on wikipedia too. I even read some where that the Mig-41 could have advanced features that U.S stealth planes don't have and could intercept hypersonic missiles..

The only delay I think they can have now is the barrage of sanctions that has been placed on Russia but Tupolev and Mikoyan aircraft corporataion have said sanctions won't affect the development and timing of their programme cause they are sourcing all the materials locally even Pak Da will start air trials next year for the first prototype.

The true test of any weapon is the brutal school of combat. We can brag about U.S/Russia/China stealth technology but their true test is on the battlefield that is where the boss can be known but to just conclude that Russia and China are decades behind U.S in stealth technology is what I won't accept. The fact that U.S started building tech planes before Russia/China does not mean Russia/China can't disrupt U.S stealth tech with their own tech.

Russia that can't feed her soldiers or pay pensioners abi na China wey de fear the former leader
America no be anybody mate, where is that Olosho man shame no gri allow am to cough
DerrickzB how is your new initial gra gra General doing, he is busy evacuating civilians since he came in while bombing with no direction

dermmy:
The way you guys believe no country can match any technology U.S deploys makes me laugh at times. The Tupolev Pak Da strategic bomber is being built with U.S latest stealth technology in mind so Russia won't build anything lesser and even Russia is building another which is a 6th gen fighter The Mikoyan Pak Dp/Mig-41with advanced stealth features and it will operate in near space much of the programme feature is still highly classified you can search for Mig-41 online it's on wikipedia too. I even read some where that the Mig-41 could have advanced features that U.S stealth planes don't have and could intercept hypersonic missiles..

The only delay I think they can have now is the barrage of sanctions that has been placed on Russia but Tupolev and Mikoyan aircraft corporataion have said sanctions won't affect the development and timing of their programme cause they are sourcing all the materials locally even Pak Da will start air trials next year for the first prototype.

The true test of any weapon is the brutal school of combat. We can brag about U.S/Russia/China stealth technology but their true test is on the battlefield that is where the boss can be known but to just conclude that Russia and China are decades behind U.S in stealth technology is what I won't accept. The fact that U.S started building stealth planes before Russia/China does not mean Russia/China can't disrupt U.S stealth tech with their own tech.

No you can't. There is a reason why leading tech manufacturers are always ahead-experience. For the past 40 yrs airbus and Boeing are dominating the plane market because of their reliable and developed technology even if others are there. US are not stopping or slowing down they are learning and researching more on Stealth technology. Even China which is also trying has a history of espionage against US Stealth technology...

Yes Russia and China are trying but the can't catch up because the US has been way ahead and they are not stopping or slowing down.

Russia also has the well tagged Stealth fighter Su57 that has face many challenges which forced it to adapt more 4th gen Su35M and Su30 with limited operation capabilities for the Su57 due to complications even India a major funder has to pull out due to technical difficulties and cost. US also has their own challenges too, but when it comes to Stealth mastery! Deployment of proven Stealth platform and combat experience and action, the US is way ahead with China and possible Russia never having those for now....

CoronaVirusRelo:


Sometimes when I imagine Russia struggling with Ukraine, and still wants to go to war with the U.S.A, all I can do is just laugh!


Putin is so anxious to know why Americans don't have free healthcare!

The US can simply deploy it troops to Ukraine to fight. if she has the balls. At least it is better than telling Kiev to provide Ukrainians that will do the dying. While the US supply military/financial aids.

Simeonjoe1:
No you can't. There is a reason why leading tech manufacturers are always ahead-experience. For the past 40 yrs airbus and Boeing are dominating the plane market because of their reliable and developed technology even if others are there. US are not stopping or slowing down they are learning and researching more on Stealth technology. Even China which is also trying has a history of espionage against US Stealth technology...

Yes Russia and China are trying but the can't catch up because the US has been way ahead and they are not stopping or slowing down.

Russia also has the well tagged Stealth fighter Su57 that has face many challenges which forced it to adapt more 4th gen Su35M and Su30 with limited operation capabilities for the Su57 due to complications even India a major funder has to pull out due to technical difficulties and cost. US also has their own challenges too, but when it comes to Stealth mastery! Deployment of proven Stealth platform and combat experience and action, the US is way ahead with China and possible Russia never having those for now....

The Russians are focusing on a very important area in military technology-Missile Systems.

Mig-31 armed with Khinzal Hypersonic Missile can put the whole US navy battle group at risk. Mig-31 is an old aircraft. But it is a launch platform for a very powerful missiles. Gone are those days when you deploy fighter jet to carry out deep strike on enemy territory. Fighter jets can now fire missiles from safe distance. They are also developing new types of long range hypersonic missile for the SU-57 too. Missiles/Drones are the future. Not plane.

China is investing heavily in drone technology. In the next 10-20 years, China will surpass every other military super power in drone technology.

Imagine the magic Russia did with the Iranian kamikaze drone. The drone does not has any optical device installed on them like other kamikaze drone (US switch blade, Israel drone e.t.c). This particular drone behave exactly like a cruise missile. They installed their navigation system (GLONASS) on it and turn it to cruise missile. So the drones can not be jammed because there is no communication link. It is like a fire and forget system. The drone is one of a kind. This is the reason you see the Ukrainians trying to shot it down with their gun. If Russia can develop a more powerful engine for the drone that will increase the speed drastically. Then it will be unstoppable.

olugabbie:
The Russians are focusing on a very important area in military technology-Missile Systems.

Mig-31 armed with Khinzal Hypersonic Missile can put the whole US navy battle group at risk. Mig-31 is an old aircraft. But it is a launch platform for a very powerful missiles. Gone are those days when you deploy fighter jet to carry out deep strike on enemy territory. Fighter jets can now fire missiles from safe distance. They are also developing new types of long range hypersonic missile for the SU-57 too. Missiles/Drones are the future. Not plane.

China is investing heavily in drone technology. In the next 10-20 years, China will surpass every other military super power in drone technology.

Imagine the magic Russia did with the Iranian kamikaze drone. The drone does not has any optical device installed on them like other kamikaze drone (US switch blade, Israel drone e.t.c). This particular drone behave exactly like a cruise missile. They installed their navigation system (GLONASS) on it and turn it to cruise missile. So the drones can not be jammed because there is no communication link. It is like a fire and forget system. The drone is one of a kind. This is the reason you see the Ukrainians trying to shot it down with their gun. If Russia can develop a more powerful engine for the drone that will increase the speed drastically. Then it will be unstoppable.

Yeah I grap all your assessments. The age of fighter jets, heavy tanks and large ships are coming to an end but still you'll need them in the war to come as their benefit cannot be completely rule out...

When it comes to adapting to new systems and doctrine I can tell you without mincing word that the US is far ahead. Almost 2 decades ahead of China and Russian.
. In drone technology US has been deploying drone since the gulf War since the late 1990th, even before China and Russia has never envision such concept. They have the reaper, predator, global hawk(ISR) even sentinel Stealth drone, their navy is also experimenting some already deployed, different types of drone. US has a dozens of squadron of different types of drone for different missions. They have hundreds and possibly thousands of this... If not now the world is waking up due to the Azerbaijan-Armenia conflict and the war in Ukraine that has many people exposed to the effectiveness of drone, something US already knows and had being deploying for years. Yes China and Russia has their own capable drones but they are still years behind the US in times of drone doctrine and technology.
Another new area that US has been experimenting on for the past 7yrs is the use of cheap, small, swarm drones that can be deployed from air platforms such as bombers, fighter jets and even smaller drones. This small drone swarm will network together and choreograph their movement. They can serve as ISR, attack mode to overwhelm enemy airdefense or even mimick a larger aircraft thereby confusing air defense systems hence allowing Stealth/non Stealth aircraft to track and attack the Sam site which has been fooled to turn up their Rader. Now do China and Russia has such systems yet? The US already has its protypes which has undergo successful tests. Now if China or Russia should try develop such later you'll now say they're ahead of US, abeg.
US already has been deploying tomahawk cruise missile more than 30yrs ago they understand the concept of long range standoff systems. They have numerous standoff missile systems. Even their Stealth planes are equipped with such missiles.

Abeg US army and Russia no be mate in any aspect...... Abeg

Yes China and Russia are coming up. True only actual combat can prove which is more superior but theoretically the US weapons are way technologically and electronically ahead, Russia also has their kinetics and rocket advantages.

US doesn't make noise they do their things as bigger boyz.

olugabbie:
The Russians are focusing on a very important area in military technology-Missile Systems.

Mig-31 armed with Khinzal Hypersonic Missile can put the whole US navy battle group at risk. Mig-31 is an old aircraft. But it is a launch platform for a very powerful missiles. Gone are those days when you deploy fighter jet to carry out deep strike on enemy territory. Fighter jets can now fire missiles from safe distance. They are also developing new types of long range hypersonic missile for the SU-57 too. Missiles/Drones are the future. Not plane.

China is investing heavily in drone technology. In the next 10-20 years, China will surpass every other military super power in drone technology.

Imagine the magic Russia did with the Iranian kamikaze drone. The drone does not has any optical device installed on them like other kamikaze drone (US switch blade, Israel drone e.t.c). This particular drone behave exactly like a cruise missile. They installed their navigation system (GLONASS) on it and turn it to cruise missile. So the drones can not be jammed because there is no communication link. It is like a fire and forget system. The drone is one of a kind. This is the reason you see the Ukrainians trying to shot it down with their gun. If Russia can develop a more powerful engine for the drone that will increase the speed drastically. Then it will be unstoppable.

Lmaoo Russia fell behind in the stealth tech, they failed woefully till they abandoned the project

Simeonjoe1:
Yeah I grap all your assessments. The age of fighter jets, heavy tanks and large ships are coming to an end but still you'll need them in the war to come as their benefit cannot be completely rule out...

When it comes to adapting to new systems and doctrine I can tell you without mincing word that the US is far ahead. Almost 2 decades ahead of China and Russian.
. In drone technology US has been deploying drone since the gulf War since the late 1990th, even before China and Russia has never envision such concept. They have the reaper, predator, global hawk(ISR) even sentinel Stealth drone, their navy is also experimenting some already deployed, different types of drone. US has a dozens of squadron of different types of drone for different missions. They have hundreds and possibly thousands of this... If not now the world is waking up due to the Azerbaijan-Armenia conflict and the war in Ukraine that has many people exposed to the effectiveness of drone, something US already knows and had being deploying for years. Yes China and Russia has their own capable drones but they are still years behind the US in times of drone doctrine and technology.
Another new area that US has been experimenting on for the past 7yrs is the use of cheap, small, swarm drones that can be deployed from air platforms such as bombers, fighter jets and even smaller drones. This small drone swarm will network together and choreograph their movement. They can serve as ISR, attack mode to overwhelm enemy airdefense or even mimick a larger aircraft thereby confusing air defense systems hence allowing Stealth/non Stealth aircraft to track and attack the Sam site which has been fooled to turn up their Rader. Now do China and Russia has such systems yet? The US already has its protypes which has undergo successful tests. Now if China or Russia should try develop such later you'll now say they're ahead of US, abeg.
US already has been deploying tomahawk cruise missile more than 30yrs ago they understand the concept of long range standoff systems. They have numerous standoff missile systems. Even their Stealth planes are equipped with such missiles.

Abeg US army and Russia no be mate in any aspect...... Abeg

Yes China and Russia are coming up. True only actual combat can prove which is more superior but theoretically the US weapons are way technologically and electronically ahead, Russia also has their kinetics and rocket advantages.

meet the f-35 uncrewed speed racer same ideology with swarm mode, what Russia China is doing now usa did it way back, Russia abandoned su-57, su-47 and their stealth bomber pak da, but someone is telling us they're concentrating on their missile

Segun2222:
Lmaoo Russia fell behind in the stealth tech, they failed woefully till they abandoned the project

You mean Russia abandon the SU-57 project?

Lol!

Check again...

olugabbie:
You mean Russia abandon the SU-57 project?

Lol!

Check again...

how many operational su57, su-75 are even operational, India pulled out, the su57 still hasn't gotten its own engine it still using NPO Saturn Product 117 engine, which is derived from the AL-41F-1S after-burning turbofans developed for the Su-35 is this what you're still putting mind, like we both don't know how Russia is always abandon projects halfway

olugabbie:
You mean Russia abandon the SU-57 project?

Lol!

Check again...

No instead it's plague with technical and financial problems that the Russian deemed it wise not to waste more fund. Not only was production numbers being cut but they've moved on to developing 6th generation platform. Russia airforce are even more concern on buying Su35 instead of their super new fighter plagued with many technical challenges. Even Indian prefers their Su30mk to this unproven Stealth bolt.