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| Re: Why There Is No Point Going To The Uk Again by damzy88: 1:43am On Nov 12, 2022 |
sukkot: |
| Re: Why There Is No Point Going To The Uk Again by Hilariousthiago(m): 2:32am On Nov 12, 2022 |
sukkot:that's what he has been saying since many years ago now. Fooling his gullible followers, telling them how the West is bad and how he's going to return to Africa but he hasn't since all these years ![]() |
| Re: Why There Is No Point Going To The Uk Again by Hilariousthiago(m): 2:35am On Nov 12, 2022 |
sihamey:so he's better off earning 35k in Nigeria? You people are just sad people are migrating. If the people who are migrating are not regretting it, why are you having headache over it? |
| Re: Why There Is No Point Going To The Uk Again by Hilariousthiago(m): 2:37am On Nov 12, 2022 |
Gerrard59:are there age requirements for undergraduate studies in Japan? |
| Re: Why There Is No Point Going To The Uk Again by Hilariousthiago(m): 2:44am On Nov 12, 2022 |
Martiny:they will do as if they can't see this post now. I remember one man that came back from USA to start farming in Oyo state that time. He was killed by Fulani herdsmen when he went to complain to them the way their cattle are spoiling his farm. They killed him and everyone moved on like it's a normal thing. Nobody was held accountable. Tomorrow when you want to migrate now, these hypocrites will tell you not to, you're better off using that money to start a business or a farm. Hypocrites lots. |
| Re: Why There Is No Point Going To The Uk Again by Gerrard59(m): 3:01am On Nov 12, 2022 |
sihamey:Show me where I denied that Nigeria isn't above other African countries? In fact, go through my posts where I have mentioned other African countries as fit for relocation with the caveats I listed. Also, I have written here dissuading someone moving to Ivory Coast abi Senegal from Nigeria as it does not make sense. As a rule, except for genuine personal reasons, I don't advocate for any Nigerian to migrate to any African country. South Africa is good if it is on a work visa, other than that, stay in Nigeria or leave the continent.Biko, try to understand a post before replying. |
| Re: Why There Is No Point Going To The Uk Again by Gerrard59(m): 3:24am On Nov 12, 2022 |
StoicAdvisor:The people who are relocating from Nigeria are not poor. Someone who worked in a reputable MNC and moved to Canada is not a poor person. He, just like you, is saying two different things using the same mouth. Be consistent. You advocate for poor Nigerians to relocate and wealthier ones to remain, but he is in Europe. Unless he is poor, then he should move back to a black-dominated society. It is that simple. Practice what you preach. Also, advising Nigerians about the difficulties associated with the western world is not the same as telling them not to come. I follow pansophist and see all his posts. His stance has always been that Nigerians should ''japa'', unless you choose to be biased and filter away the pro-travel advice he always gave to Nigerians from all his writeup hereWhile you are right, it is hypocritical to say "things are so difficult, stay back" YET continue to reside in the abroad especially when conditions are literally the same as the person who wants to relocate. And I actually agree with him. I have been around many countries, and still believe that if you are wealthy, Africa is the best place for a black man to live. Namibia you mentioned is cool, and lots of Germans actually move to live there, same with South Africa, and even Gambia which is a stone's throw away. It is filled with whites who see the beauty in Africa you so describe in such vile languageNow, here is the hypocrisy I am talking about. Africa is sweet because they, just like you, have options. But if they had only Namibian citizenships or were not empowered during the apartheid era, they would have relocated out of those countries or would not even bother moving to those place. But you are saying those at home should not move because Africa is the best place because whites enjoy the beauty, but will not inform them that you have options. Would-be migrants are on a different level on Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs than those people. Be consistent and stop being hypocritical. That is my stance. Don't say Africa is fine and one shouldn't move whereas you have options that they don't. The same options these would-be migrants are yearning for. BTW, what vile language have I used? So saying Nigeria is the world's poverty capital is vile? Or African countries populate the world's unemployment rankings? Did I lie? This is the problem with some of you esp Ndi Woke. They are always against stating facts and figures. Namibia is good (in fact, I have asked Namibians why can't their govt create a Canada-like express entry accepting black entrepreneurs from all over the world with minimum capital of $50K?). Still, the average migrant is not interested in starting a business immediately. S/he wants a better life and a job that offers good money. Those jobs are non-existent in Namibia and those places you listed. That is a factual, not vile, statement.Home might be bad, but you don't hate it. It is men like you that contributed to their own homeland (the western world) and made it safe for you to want to go live permanently in, and of course, accept all the bullshit thrown at you. How about making your homeland a little better? Being a lion in a jungle will always be more honorable than being a dog in the city.Big big grammar. It is not my responsibility to make home better, especially when I am not responsible for spoiling it. Having analysed the situation, I have come to understand that home can never be better. That is my view of everything, and I have to move just like my parents and millions of people moved to their present locations. To you, they should have made home better even though their options are extremely limited. BTW, how exactly have you made Nigeria better as someone with a French passport? Also, I have written about how it is the responsibility of Nigerian men to make home better. Those who try to do so, kudos to them. As for me? I am not doing it. https://www.nairaland.com/6643241/nigerian-men-failed-women And just in case you are wondering, I hold a French passport myself (got it from birth), and only visited France but choose to live in Nigeria, a decision I have never regrettedJust like gazzilions of other "stay in Africa" folks, they have passports of developed countries. I am not surprised. How about renouncing your French nationality and sticking to Nigeria's own since you want to be a lion in the jungle as opposed to a dog in the city? Why are you having the privilege of the city yet reside in the jungle yet dissuade young and ambitious jungle folks from moving to the city just like your parents did? |
| Re: Why There Is No Point Going To The Uk Again by Gerrard59(m): 3:28am On Nov 12, 2022 |
Hilariousthiago:If you are above 25, don't do it. It is pointless as the employment system would not favour you upon graduation. |
| Re: Why There Is No Point Going To The Uk Again by Gerrard59(m): 3:33am On Nov 12, 2022 |
Phraences:I understand your point and have always advocated people assimilate into the culture of the host nation. Those who cannot should stay back where they are. |
| Re: Why There Is No Point Going To The Uk Again by Hilariousthiago(m): 3:46am On Nov 12, 2022 |
Gerrard59:Thanks for your response. What if I'm doing it to migrate to the West later? |
| Re: Why There Is No Point Going To The Uk Again by Gerrard59(m): 4:01am On Nov 12, 2022 |
Hilariousthiago:Maybe to the US, that can be OK. But I hope you have enough resources to pay present to immigration authorities as proof of living expenses for FOUR YEARS? Doing undergraduate studies outside Nigeria as someone who is not from a rich family is very expensive. Also, to get admitted into undergrad schools, you must speak the language or spend a year learning it before applying. Alternatively, you apply to a language school where you learn the language and then apply to a master's program. Honestly, I don't advise you to begin undergraduate studies as someone above 25. |
| Re: Why There Is No Point Going To The Uk Again by sukkot(op): 5:34am On Nov 12, 2022 |
Spandau:lol no ooo. this is just home protection na. for all the kidnappers out there ![]() |
| Re: Why There Is No Point Going To The Uk Again by sukkot(op): 5:37am On Nov 12, 2022 |
Hilariousthiago:this his japa message only started a year ago oooo. prior to that he was a food channel and then diaspora relationship advice. |
| Re: Why There Is No Point Going To The Uk Again by sihamey: 5:45am On Nov 12, 2022 |
IbeOkehie:I am particularly not discouraging anyone from migrating to another country but those who condemned Nigeria in totally because of their Japa ambitions need to fix their IQ. Migration didn’t start today, thousands who migrated 20, 15 years ago are back to Nigeria now. All you said about abroad seems to look like heaven but we still have Abroad returnees everyday in Nigeria some of them also left from your community back to nigeria, a professor friend of mine resigned from US university return to Nigeria currently lecturing in Nigeria university. In US where you claim you live we hear about gun violence! Killings, mass shooting going on almost every month and anybody can be victim irrespective of your origin but unfortunately what you see is kidnapping in Nigeria Most of those who Japa don’t do so because of kidnapping or Boko haram in Nigeria but for greener pasture not knowing some of these so called abroad are not green land. If it were as painted to mostly gullible Nigeria they wouldn’t go abroad to commit crime since they can make it legitimately abroad. Most foreign countries are good for holiday than jakpa don’t get me wrong |
| Re: Why There Is No Point Going To The Uk Again by IbeOkehie: 10:43am On Nov 12, 2022*. Modified: 12:43am On Jun 09, 2023 |
sihamey:I don't CLAIM to live in the USA. I'm posting with my real name so no CLAIM there. And you are trying to discourage potential migrants. Nigeria today is a terrible country to live or visit. That's for the vast majority of people, including the very rich. That's not gullibility it's reality. I know people in the oil & gas industry in Nigeria earning THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS PER DAY and many have pulled up and left Nigeria and more are planning to do so right now. That's the facts. There's nothing to argue about. I moved back to Nigeria after many years abroad. I owned a business, I lived well, a luxurious life amid terrible poverty. Riding in my SUV and seeing dead bodies lying on the road for WEEKS. People always begging and badgering me for money. Passing through Airport VIP Lounges with dirty, flooded toilets. Live in a big house where the servants and personal staff are a constant threat because of the sheer income disparity that provokes envy. That's not a country, that's hell. Statistics is reality. Add up all the gun violence in the USA and I still feel safer here than in Nigeria. I've lived in Baltimore - one of the most violent cities in the USA - and I felt safer there than in Magodo Estate Lagos. This translates to my life expectancy, I'm likely to live longer in the USA than in Nigeria. Anyway I always tell people that every bad thing that happens in Nigeria also happens in the USA or UK, the difference is the response of the government and civil society. That's the more important aspect of the whole thing. The PUBLIC or GOVERNMENT RESPONSE to adverse events is what instills confidence and that is where Nigeria fails totally. Today in the USA you find police still arresting murderers 30 years after the crime was committed! Get killed or robbed in Nigeria and NOTHING is done. Give it a month and it's forgotten, the bereaved are left to cope with the agony of justice denied in what is supposed to be a country with laws and government. I repeat - most Nigerians, rich or poor, will have a better standard of living in Anglo Western countries than in Nigeria. I started from ZERO with an illegal job and I made it to the middle class and ANYONE even illegal immigrants are still doing it today. Compared to Nigeria TODAY, for the average person yes the Anglo West is and has always been close to paradise. My message to Nigerians is to get out of that country if you can. Think about it, President Buhari in 1984 was preaching to Nigerians not to migrate abroad and AT THE SAME TIME all his children were living in Spain and the UK. That is the summary of the situation, don't be a MUGU, your President and his family have lived their lives in the UK and yet he tells you to be proud of Nigeria. When President Biden moves to Nigeria that will be a signal that things are getting bad here. Until then I'm enjoying my 4th Class citizenship in this heaven. Life is too short abeg, to each his own. Have a good day! |
| Re: Why There Is No Point Going To The Uk Again by sihamey: 12:12pm On Nov 12, 2022 |
IbeOkehie:Oga in conclusion make we all runaway from Nigeria and leave Boko Haram conquer the country or a white man will come develop Nigeria ![]() No vex how many of your family members have you help to immigrants abroad They way you see dead body on the Nigeria road it evidence you have been feeding with fake news on social media, remember social media are monetized so read any news at your Peru ![]() If what you portrayed Nigeria to be them we all shouldn’t be alive in Nigerian by now talk more of thinking for migration. Move all your family members abroad them come back to advise us Shikina ![]() |
| Re: Why There Is No Point Going To The Uk Again by IbeOkehie: 1:22pm On Nov 12, 2022*. Modified: 1:44pm On Nov 12, 2022 |
sihamey:Again this is my real name. What is your name? ALL my family live in the USA, I brought ALL of them including my mother and ALL my siblings....a long time ago. If the USA was so bad, I wouldn't have done that. My wife worked for a major American oil company in Nigeria, she left it and joined me here and today tells me she wished she had left Nigeria a long time ago. By the way, I attended an FGC in the 1980's in Nigeria with the children of the elites. I could reel out some big names. Most of them are out here in the USA and UK with me. Why would such people leave Nigeria if it was such a wonderful place to live? Back in 1984, migration was called doing ANDREW, like it's called JAPA today. Back then President Buhari himself was begging Nigerians to stop DOING ANDREW but all his own children were living in UK and Spain, attending even primary school there. Today he's always in London. THE PRESIDENT OF NIGERIA basically lives his whole life abroad so who is the MUGU that thinks Nigeria is better than the UK? Your President thinks otherwise! Check Tinubu and Atiku and top politicians, their families are all likely here with me....again I attended University with some of them right here in the USA, as in the same campus at the same time. Why are they running away from Nigeria and who is the MUGU that will remain and build Nigeria for them? That should be THE END of any argument. I moved back to Nigeria in 2011 and I know what I saw. Yes, dead bodies on MAJOR ROAD for WEEKS. You know it happens in Nigeria and there's no way it can happen in the USA or UK. Stop discouraging people from migrating. Nigeria is a terrible place for BOTH rich and poor. That's the truth and you know it. |
| Re: Why There Is No Point Going To The Uk Again by sihamey: 1:33pm On Nov 12, 2022 |
IbeOkehie:You are yet to answer my question, should all of us leave Nigeria to abroad and left her for who If you don’t have answer to this question then no need to respond |
| Re: Why There Is No Point Going To The Uk Again by IbeOkehie: 1:56pm On Nov 12, 2022 |
sihamey:All those with the opportunity to leave should do so. The reason for that is rooted in the reality that - Standard of living in the US or UK is better for BOTH rich and poor Nigerians. Migration is getting harder to do each year so do it while you have the chance. Getting US/UK citizenship provides options. My summary is simply - if someone like President Buhari who loves Nigeria so much moved his family abroad as far back as 1984, who is the MUGU that will stay in Nigeria and suffer the consequences of their policies? Stop deceiving people that living in Nigeria is better than in the US/UK. It's not and you know it. |
| Re: Why There Is No Point Going To The Uk Again by sihamey: 2:12pm On Nov 12, 2022 |
IbeOkehie:You keep saying I’m discouraging people from traveling abroad do you have evidence on that Everyone will not Japa abroad most of us we like visiting abroad and come back to Nigeria like I always do every year so abroad is not big deal for me. Anyway you are yet to answer my question all you keep saying is Buhari’s children are abroad. Buhari’s will soon leave office, make we manage the country like that. But my advise to all Japa please make una dey represent us wella over there Is disgraceful to hear Nigerians abroad committing crime after running away from shithole country. Abike Dabiri don suffer for una hand. |
| Re: Why There Is No Point Going To The Uk Again by AnitaofEurope: 2:19pm On Nov 12, 2022 |
IbeOkehie:Pls don’t mind those fools Nobody is even listening to them People are migrating daily in thousands They’re pained cos they’re stucked and don’t have money to travel lmao |
| Re: Why There Is No Point Going To The Uk Again by IbeOkehie: 3:26pm On Nov 12, 2022 |
sihamey:I've answered your question. Yes, everyone who can should take the opportunity to leave Nigeria. How else do you want me to answer? Mass migration is not new. Go and check history you will find there are countries like Sweden or Ireland where 30% of the population migrated to the USA. There's criminals everywhere. Here in the USA it's very *likely* that career criminals will be jailed. That's the difference. Those who feel Nigeria is a wonderful place to live must understand that their experience is abnormal and uncommon. It's dishonest to tell ANYONE that the US/UK is a terrible place to live compared to Nigeria. That has NEVER been true today or 50 years ago. Those who promote this view need to do some self examination. |
| Re: Why There Is No Point Going To The Uk Again by Phraences: 4:33pm On Nov 12, 2022 |
IbeOkehie:Most people would leave Nigeria if they could but money never complete as is the situation in my own case. Going to UK through school route is expensive for some people. Canada’s point system keeps getting higher and the more you age the more you are at a disadvantage. The surest route is through study. So people without enough finances are left in Nigeria to struggle and make do until finance is complete. Hopefully the UK or Canada don’t close their borders by then. |
| Re: Why There Is No Point Going To The Uk Again by Backpedal: 8:44pm On Nov 12, 2022 |
1Sharon:Start a what ? In this climate ? |
| Re: Why There Is No Point Going To The Uk Again by jesmond3945: 11:21pm On Nov 12, 2022 |
sihamey:left for those who are happy to vote for apc after 8 years of maladministration. |
| Re: Why There Is No Point Going To The Uk Again by jedisco(m): 4:09am On Nov 13, 2022 |
IbeOkehie:You write from experience and with facts... Relativity is important. Dangote saying he's broke and an average Nigerian saying same do not mean thesame thing. Most of the things the western media would be agog about and folks overseas would complain about are things we'd not even bother with in Nigeria... e.g inflation of 10%, forcing out a PM because he went for a party during lockdown, 'heatwave' of 35 C. e.t.c. Lastly, when folks say Nigeria is the best place for someone with money to 'enjoy', ask them what enjoyment means and you'd be surprised. |
| Re: Why There Is No Point Going To The Uk Again by jedisco(m): 4:47am On Nov 13, 2022 |
All said, there is no country with automatic prosperity for everyone. Some folks would do better in Nigeria and some folks would do better outside. Those looking to migrate anywhere (even within Nigeria) should think it thru. There are no bed of roses |
| Re: Why There Is No Point Going To The Uk Again by Backpedal: 7:19am On Nov 13, 2022 |
IbeOkehie:I enjoyed every single bit of what you wrote here You are very right |
| Re: Why There Is No Point Going To The Uk Again by Backpedal: 7:31am On Nov 13, 2022 |
jedisco:To them it means being lawless; being above the law and being above most poverty stricken people around them that they will now exploit Rubbish |
| Re: Why There Is No Point Going To The Uk Again by excel1960(f): 7:54am On Nov 13, 2022 |
Nice writeup. Japa is the sure way right now. IbeOkehie: |
| Re: Why There Is No Point Going To The Uk Again by Nobody: 8:34am On Nov 13, 2022 |
sukkot:Wrong ignorant analysis. Why convert to naira? Do they earn in naira? Even the insurance you talked about covers everything, even replacement of your car and third party too. Do you gain anything by that nonsense you pay in Nigeria. You sound like a primary school kid, I am sorry |
| Re: Why There Is No Point Going To The Uk Again by sukkot(op): 8:54am On Nov 13, 2022 |
LagosInter:ignorant ass nigga obviously you dont know what you tambout. alright lets do earnings to car insurance ratio. so they want 4000 a year from me as insurance. this is 80 pounds a week. the average wage in uk is like 400 a week. so at 80 pounds you want a fifth of my salary just for insurance alone. i never pay rent ooooo and my other 20 bills. now here in naija the average wage is like 300 thousand a month ( average not minimum because i used average for uk too ). so the insurance at 5000 a year is 10 naira a week. wage at 300 thousand is 75000 a week. so out of 75000 naira a week they only want 10 naira a week for insurance. thats less than one percent of my wage whereas in uk they want 20 percent of my wages in auto insurance. hope you have been schooled ignant nigga
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In fact, go through my posts where I have mentioned other African countries as fit for relocation with the caveats I listed. Also, I have written here dissuading someone moving to Ivory Coast abi Senegal from Nigeria as it does not make sense. As a rule, except for genuine personal reasons, I don't advocate for any Nigerian to migrate to any African country. South Africa is good if it is on a work visa, other than that, stay in Nigeria or leave the continent.