sukkot:
yeah phrankleen is a top guy. a great cook too. i started watching him when he ran a food channel. i was learning how to cook. that guy can cook. then he discovered he got the gift of the gab and then transitioned to making these informative videos. yeah the UK has always been a tough place to live because its just a tiny island and so real estate is prime. it was always tough but its getting much much more tougher now and as you rightly said especially if you are a visible minority. a few will break through the glass ceiling but many will be caught and mired in the underbelly of british stagnation and poverty.

sukkot:
he is soon

that's what he has been saying since many years ago now. Fooling his gullible followers, telling them how the West is bad and how he's going to return to Africa but he hasn't since all these years

sihamey:


Ask him how much he spend in UK and how much left . Don’t be deceived by social media pictures of your class mate abroad

so he's better off earning 35k in Nigeria? You people are just sad people are migrating. If the people who are migrating are not regretting it, why are you having headache over it?

Gerrard59:


The country is actually letting in many people. When netizens say it is hard to migrate to Japan, e dey burst my head. Or do they mean to migrate illegally? Because legal migration is very easy and straightforward. Straighter than the US.

https://www.economist.com/asia/2022/11/03/japan-and-south-korea-are-allowing-in-some-foreign-workers?utm_medium=social-media.content.np&utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=editorial-social&utm_content=discovery.content&s=08

Not in that article but by Nikkei Asian Review, PRs/citizenship applications are still around the usual figure, but Americans and Indians have displaced Koreans to be second and third behind the Chinese.

are there age requirements for undergraduate studies in Japan?

Martiny:
What a good piece!.
My simple view to this is that opting to leave Nigeria for liberation and betterment of one's life in the UK or anywhere else in the western world at this critical time is the best option, unless you live in Nigeria where the security of your life, those of your family members and property could be certainly guaranteed.

So many Nigerians were living comfortably at home, believing in developing Nigeria with their skills and finances but ended up loosing their lives and loved ones to kidnappers, armed robbers, police brutality and so many other avoidable deaths. Sadly, these lost ones were bread winners of their families, leaving their dependents in eternal sadness. Do you think their family members wouldn't be in regrets presently for failing to have considered Japa in the past?

A professor of Medicine in OAU teaching hospital was killed by kidnappers 2years ago, the widow said she has been telling the deceased to consider their relocation abroad but the husband said he preferred to invest and develop Nigeria.
A 37 years old man left Abuja for his MSC exam in OAU, Ile Ife and was mysteriously killed in November last year in his hotel room at a popular hotel there in Ife, leaving behind a widow with 3 children. The widow recently granted an interview to BBC yoruba that the deceased planned to relocate the family after his MSC.

Just 2 months ago, a young professional was abducted with his mother and young daughter on their way to Abuja from Lokoja, the kidnappers collected millions as ransoms on the 3 of them and eventually killed the young man right before the mother and young daughter. The list is endless, abeg.

Do you think these families amongst so many afflicted ones like them are not currently regretting to have not considered japa than staying back to pursue their goals in Nigeria and eventually loosing their loved ones?

With the current happenings in Nigeria, no amount spent on relocating your whole family abroad to have a new start is wasted. As a matter of fact, there is every likelihood that any investment you put such money into if you choose to stay back in Nigeria would be wasted.

If you choose to japa, simply do so with plans. Expectedly, you can't expect everything to be rosy immediately you get to a foreign country. One must struggle to settle in (accommodation, work, children's schools and so on). A lot of people are comfortable back in Nigeria but the leaders are making home hostile for the commoners and homely for themselves and their families, so why stay back and risk your life.

they will do as if they can't see this post now. I remember one man that came back from USA to start farming in Oyo state that time. He was killed by Fulani herdsmen when he went to complain to them the way their cattle are spoiling his farm. They killed him and everyone moved on like it's a normal thing. Nobody was held accountable. Tomorrow when you want to migrate now, these hypocrites will tell you not to, you're better off using that money to start a business or a farm. Hypocrites lots.

sihamey:

Any how you define the gaint of Africa does not change the facts that Nigeria is still on the lead in the African continent.
Try and do your research without biase, Japa Syndrom will never see good thing from Nigeria is always Bad.
foriegn countries sees Nigeria as a big market to their Business and all you see is shithole country
I'm here in Nigeria helping another country meet their target market in Nigeria as their representative because they see what your eyes can not see.

Show me where I denied that Nigeria isn't above other African countries? In fact, go through my posts where I have mentioned other African countries as fit for relocation with the caveats I listed. Also, I have written here dissuading someone moving to Ivory Coast abi Senegal from Nigeria as it does not make sense. As a rule, except for genuine personal reasons, I don't advocate for any Nigerian to migrate to any African country. South Africa is good if it is on a work visa, other than that, stay in Nigeria or leave the continent.

Biko, try to understand a post before replying.

StoicAdvisor:


Don't you think your response is completely unrelated to what he is saying?

If I read correctly, he didn't dissuade people from going abroad, he only said that leaving Nigeria should be for the poor ones. And even went further and say that one should strive to get the nationality, which implies living abroad to get it. You are trying to make him look like an enemy of progress, and that is not good of you.

The people who are relocating from Nigeria are not poor. Someone who worked in a reputable MNC and moved to Canada is not a poor person. He, just like you, is saying two different things using the same mouth. Be consistent. You advocate for poor Nigerians to relocate and wealthier ones to remain, but he is in Europe. Unless he is poor, then he should move back to a black-dominated society.

It is that simple. Practice what you preach.

Also, advising Nigerians about the difficulties associated with the western world is not the same as telling them not to come. I follow pansophist and see all his posts. His stance has always been that Nigerians should ''japa'', unless you choose to be biased and filter away the pro-travel advice he always gave to Nigerians from all his writeup here

While you are right, it is hypocritical to say "things are so difficult, stay back" YET continue to reside in the abroad especially when conditions are literally the same as the person who wants to relocate.

And I actually agree with him. I have been around many countries, and still believe that if you are wealthy, Africa is the best place for a black man to live. Namibia you mentioned is cool, and lots of Germans actually move to live there, same with South Africa, and even Gambia which is a stone's throw away. It is filled with whites who see the beauty in Africa you so describe in such vile language

Now, here is the hypocrisy I am talking about. Africa is sweet because they, just like you, have options. But if they had only Namibian citizenships or were not empowered during the apartheid era, they would have relocated out of those countries or would not even bother moving to those place. But you are saying those at home should not move because Africa is the best place because whites enjoy the beauty, but will not inform them that you have options. Would-be migrants are on a different level on Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs than those people. Be consistent and stop being hypocritical. That is my stance. Don't say Africa is fine and one shouldn't move whereas you have options that they don't. The same options these would-be migrants are yearning for.

BTW, what vile language have I used? So saying Nigeria is the world's poverty capital is vile? Or African countries populate the world's unemployment rankings? Did I lie? This is the problem with some of you esp Ndi Woke. They are always against stating facts and figures. Namibia is good (in fact, I have asked Namibians why can't their govt create a Canada-like express entry accepting black entrepreneurs from all over the world with minimum capital of $50K?). Still, the average migrant is not interested in starting a business immediately. S/he wants a better life and a job that offers good money. Those jobs are non-existent in Namibia and those places you listed. That is a factual, not vile, statement.

Home might be bad, but you don't hate it. It is men like you that contributed to their own homeland (the western world) and made it safe for you to want to go live permanently in, and of course, accept all the bullshit thrown at you. How about making your homeland a little better? Being a lion in a jungle will always be more honorable than being a dog in the city.

Big big grammar. It is not my responsibility to make home better, especially when I am not responsible for spoiling it. Having analysed the situation, I have come to understand that home can never be better. That is my view of everything, and I have to move just like my parents and millions of people moved to their present locations. To you, they should have made home better even though their options are extremely limited. BTW, how exactly have you made Nigeria better as someone with a French passport?

Also, I have written about how it is the responsibility of Nigerian men to make home better. Those who try to do so, kudos to them. As for me? I am not doing it. https://www.nairaland.com/6643241/nigerian-men-failed-women

And just in case you are wondering, I hold a French passport myself (got it from birth), and only visited France but choose to live in Nigeria, a decision I have never regretted

Just like gazzilions of other "stay in Africa" folks, they have passports of developed countries. I am not surprised. How about renouncing your French nationality and sticking to Nigeria's own since you want to be a lion in the jungle as opposed to a dog in the city? Why are you having the privilege of the city yet reside in the jungle yet dissuade young and ambitious jungle folks from moving to the city just like your parents did?

Hilariousthiago:
are there age requirements for undergraduate studies in Japan?

If you are above 25, don't do it. It is pointless as the employment system would not favour you upon graduation.

Phraences:


I get the thread opener's point and i get yours as well. In life you just have to get used to seeing faces different from yours. 500 years from now there might not be pure white people again. Everyone might just be mixed race. Black gene is stronger than white gene. There are some white people that are against immigration and multiculturalism because they feel the white race is dying. It is inevitable. Uk in the 80s and 90s would have been a cool place. But when there is influx of different cultures, you will start seeing issues. Arabs for example have their own ideology and related issues. There was a time there were reports of honor killings, sex slavery etc going on in some neighborhoods in UK.
I like Canada's immigration policy though. The people entering the country are more sane.

I understand your point and have always advocated people assimilate into the culture of the host nation. Those who cannot should stay back where they are.

Gerrard59:


If you are above 25, don't do it. It is pointless as the employment system would not favour you upon graduation.

Thanks for your response. What if I'm doing it to migrate to the West later?

Hilariousthiago:
Thanks for your response. What if I'm doing it to migrate to the West later?

Maybe to the US, that can be OK. But I hope you have enough resources to pay present to immigration authorities as proof of living expenses for FOUR YEARS? Doing undergraduate studies outside Nigeria as someone who is not from a rich family is very expensive. Also, to get admitted into undergrad schools, you must speak the language or spend a year learning it before applying. Alternatively, you apply to a language school where you learn the language and then apply to a master's program. Honestly, I don't advise you to begin undergraduate studies as someone above 25.

Spandau:


Adesukkot! So you are a cultist?

lol no ooo. this is just home protection na. for all the kidnappers out there

Hilariousthiago:
that's what he has been saying since many years ago now. Fooling his gullible followers, telling them how the West is bad and how he's going to return to Africa but he hasn't since all these years

this his japa message only started a year ago oooo. prior to that he was a food channel and then diaspora relationship advice.

IbeOkehie:


What is the deception? It's telling that ORDINARY LOWER MIDDLE CLASS life depicted on Facebook is viewed as exaggerated luxury by Nigerians. I know many Nigerians who have been working low wage jobs for over 25 years and they all own homes in good neighborhoods and MULTIPLE cars and their kids are university graduates working good jobs. Most if not all of them have scrimped and saved to build homes in Nigeria too. However much they spend in UK it's still enough to send plenty of money to their relatives in Nigeria. This very topic is what brought me to Nairaland. I was SHOCKED to read people mocking the standard of living in the Anglo countries. I came to the USA with zero money, my plane ticket was bought with borrowed money. I started life working illegally in a restaurant. I know for a fact that even back then, working in that restaurant, I was better off than 99% of people in Nigeria. Summary - if I can live a good life in the West, most people can achieve it too.

I'm in the Nigerian community, I hear of people moving to UK all the time, I see people coming into my community every week, every month both illegally and legally, married with children and single, rich and poor. Even when they're starting from scratch, within a year or two they have fully paid off used car they couldn't dream of having in Nigeria, they live in apartments - maybe with a single roommate - with running water, flush toilet and 24 hour electricity. Breathing fresh air with no dust and generator fumes. They can walk the street with no fear, they can drive for hours on the highway with no fear of being waylaid by armed robbers or kidnapped. Those are things that are not guaranteed even in Lekki Phase Zero or VGC. A Professor, a scion of one of the most prominent families in my ancestral village, was kidnapped right in front of his house in Nigeria. The kidnappers collected their 40million and still killed him.

Good thing too Nigerians going to the West now are learning to do manual work like landscaping, computer wiring/network setups, auto mechanics and mobile car wash, cooking food and selling from their homes, sewing clothes & shoe repair, so having papers is not even as much a problem as before. Honestly I wish I had such skills when I arrived here, life would have been a lot easier. There's a woman who sells Nigerian food that we patronize all the time, we buy like one week worth of food at a time. When you go to pick up at her home you can see they're VERY BUSY. There's one or two more people that have opened walk up - carry out restaurants. They cater parties too. A Nigerian mobile car washer cleaned my car last week, he came to the office and did it. Who needs Green Card to do that?

Nigeria today is not a good place to live for the VAST MAJORITY and it must be a terrible burden to even be rich in the midst of such misery. Hopefully it will get better but all this fakery about life in Nigeria must stop. Y'all know you're not real.

I am particularly not discouraging anyone from migrating to another country but those who condemned Nigeria in totally because of their Japa ambitions need to fix their IQ. Migration didn’t start today, thousands who migrated 20, 15 years ago are back to Nigeria now.
All you said about abroad seems to look like heaven but we still have Abroad returnees everyday in Nigeria some of them also left from your community back to nigeria, a professor friend of mine resigned from US university return to Nigeria currently lecturing in Nigeria university.
In US where you claim you live we hear about gun violence! Killings, mass shooting going on almost every month and anybody can be victim irrespective of your origin but unfortunately what you see is kidnapping in Nigeria
Most of those who Japa don’t do so because of kidnapping or Boko haram in Nigeria but for greener pasture not knowing some of these so called abroad are not green land. If it were as painted to mostly gullible Nigeria they wouldn’t go abroad to commit crime since they can make it legitimately abroad.
Most foreign countries are good for holiday than jakpa don’t get me wrong

sihamey:


I am particularly not discouraging anyone from migrating to another country but those who condemned Nigeria in totally because of their Japa ambitions need to fix their IQ.

All you said about abroad seems to look like heaven but we still have Abroad returnees everyday in Nigeria some of them also left from your community back to nigeria, a professor friend of mine resigned from US university return to Nigeria currently lecturing in Nigeria university.

In US where you claim you live we hear about gun violence! Killings, mass shooting going on almost every month and anybody can be victim irrespective of your origin but unfortunately what you see is kidnapping in Nigeria

Most of those who Japa don’t do so because of kidnapping or Boko haram in Nigeria but for greener pasture not knowing some of these so called abroad are not green land. If it were as painted to mostly gullible Nigeria they wouldn’t go abroad to commit crime since they can make it

I don't CLAIM to live in the USA. I'm posting with my real name so no CLAIM there. And you are trying to discourage potential migrants.

Nigeria today is a terrible country to live or visit. That's for the vast majority of people, including the very rich. That's not gullibility
it's reality. I know people in the oil & gas industry in Nigeria earning THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS PER DAY and many have pulled up and left Nigeria and more are planning to do so right now. That's the facts.

There's nothing to argue about. I moved back to Nigeria after many years abroad. I owned a business, I lived well, a luxurious life amid terrible poverty. Riding in my SUV and seeing dead bodies lying on the road for WEEKS. People always begging and badgering me for money. Passing through Airport VIP Lounges with dirty, flooded toilets. Live in a big house where the servants and personal staff are a constant threat because of the sheer income disparity that provokes envy. That's not a country, that's hell.

Statistics is reality. Add up all the gun violence in the USA and I still feel safer here than in Nigeria. I've lived in Baltimore - one of the most violent cities in the USA - and I felt safer there than in Magodo Estate Lagos. This translates to my life expectancy, I'm likely to live longer in the USA than in Nigeria.

Anyway I always tell people that every bad thing that happens in Nigeria also happens in the USA or UK, the difference is the response of the government and civil society. That's the more important aspect of the whole thing. The PUBLIC or GOVERNMENT RESPONSE to adverse events is what instills confidence and that is where Nigeria fails totally. Today in the USA you find police still arresting murderers 30 years after the crime was committed! Get killed or robbed in Nigeria and NOTHING is done. Give it a month and it's forgotten, the bereaved are left to cope with the agony of justice denied in what is supposed to be a country with laws and government.

I repeat - most Nigerians, rich or poor, will have a better standard of living in Anglo Western countries than in Nigeria. I started from ZERO with an illegal job and I made it to the middle class and ANYONE even illegal immigrants are still doing it today. Compared to Nigeria TODAY, for the average person yes the Anglo West is and has always been close to paradise.

My message to Nigerians is to get out of that country if you can. Think about it, President Buhari in 1984 was preaching to Nigerians not to migrate abroad and AT THE SAME TIME all his children were living in Spain and the UK. That is the summary of the situation, don't be a MUGU, your President and his family have lived their lives in the UK and yet he tells you to be proud of Nigeria.

When President Biden moves to Nigeria that will be a signal that things are getting bad here. Until then I'm enjoying my 4th Class citizenship in this heaven. Life is too short abeg, to each his own.

Have a good day!

IbeOkehie:


I don't CLAIM to live in the USA. I'm posting with my real name so no CLAIM there. And you are trying to discourage potential migrants.

Nigeria today is a terrible country to live or visit. That's for the vast majority of people, including the very rich. That's not gullibility
it's reality. I know people in the oil & gas industry in Nigeria earning THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS PER DAY and many have pulled up and left Nigeria and more are planning to do so right now. That's the facts.

There's nothing to argue about. I moved back to Nigeria after many years abroad. I owned a business, I lived well, a luxurious life amid terrible poverty. Riding in my SUV and seeing dead bodies lying on the road for WEEKS. People always begging and badgering me for money. Passing through Airport VIP Lounges with dirty, flooded toilets. Live in a big house where the servants and personal staff are a constant threat because of the sheer income disparity that provokes envy. That's not a country, that's hell.

Statistics is reality. Add up all the gun violence in the USA and I still feel safer here than in Nigeria. I've lived in Baltimore - one of the most violent cities in the USA - and I felt safer there than in Magodo Estate Lagos. This translates to my life expectancy, I'm likely to live longer in the USA than in Nigeria.

Anyway I always tell people that every bad thing that happens in Nigeria also happens in the USA or UK, the difference is the response of the government and civil society. That's the more important aspect of the whole thing. The PUBLIC or GOVERNMENT RESPONSE to adverse events is what instills confidence and that is where Nigeria fails totally. Today in the USA you find police still arresting murderers 30 years after the crime was committed! Get killed or robbed in Nigeria and NOTHING is done. Give it a month and it's forgotten, the bereaved are left to cope with the agony of justice denied in what is supposed to be a country with laws and government.

I repeat - most Nigerians, rich or poor, will have a better standard of living in Anglo Western countries than in Nigeria. I started from ZERO with an illegal job and I made it to the middle class and ANYONE even illegal immigrants are still doing it today. Compared to Nigeria TODAY, for the average person yes the Anglo West is and has always been close to paradise.

My message to Nigerians is to get out of that country if you can. Think about it, President Buhari in 1984 was preaching to Nigerians not to migrate abroad and AT THE SAME TIME all his children were living in Spain and the UK. That is the summary of the situation, don't be a MUGU, your President and his family have lived their lives in the UK and yet he tells you to be proud of Nigeria.

When President Biden moves to Nigeria that will be a signal that things here are getting bad here. Until then I'm enjoying my 4th Class citizenship in this heaven. Life is too short abeg, to each his own.

Have a good day!

Oga in conclusion make we all runaway from Nigeria and leave Boko Haram conquer the country or a white man will come develop Nigeria
No vex how many of your family members have you help to immigrants abroad
They way you see dead body on the Nigeria road it evidence you have been feeding with fake news on social media, remember social media are monetized so read any news at your Peru
If what you portrayed Nigeria to be them we all shouldn’t be alive in Nigerian by now talk more of thinking for migration. Move all your family members abroad them come back to advise us Shikina

sihamey:

Oga in conclusion make we all runaway from Nigeria and leave Boko Haram conquer the country or a white man will come develop Nigeria
No vex how many of your family members have you help to immigrants abroad
They way you see dead body on the Nigeria road it evidence you have been feeding with fake news on social media, remember social media are monetized so read any news at your Peru
If what you portrayed Nigeria to be them we all shouldn’t be alive in Nigerian by now talk more of thinking for migration. Move all your family members abroad them come back to advise us Shikina

Again this is my real name. What is your name?

ALL my family live in the USA, I brought ALL of them including my mother and ALL my siblings....a long time ago. If the USA was so bad, I wouldn't have done that. My wife worked for a major American oil company in Nigeria, she left it and joined me here and today tells me she wished she had left Nigeria a long time ago.

By the way, I attended an FGC in the 1980's in Nigeria with the children of the elites. I could reel out some big names. Most of them are out here in the USA and UK with me. Why would such people leave Nigeria if it was such a wonderful place to live?

Back in 1984, migration was called doing ANDREW, like it's called JAPA today. Back then President Buhari himself was begging Nigerians to stop DOING ANDREW but all his own children were living in UK and Spain, attending even primary school there. Today he's always in London.

THE PRESIDENT OF NIGERIA basically lives his whole life abroad so who is the MUGU that thinks Nigeria is better than the UK? Your President thinks otherwise! Check Tinubu and Atiku and top politicians, their families are all likely here with me....again I attended University with some of them right here in the USA, as in the same campus at the same time.

Why are they running away from Nigeria and who is the MUGU that will remain and build Nigeria for them? That should be THE END of any argument.

I moved back to Nigeria in 2011 and I know what I saw. Yes, dead bodies on MAJOR ROAD for WEEKS. You know it happens in Nigeria and there's no way it can happen in the USA or UK.

Stop discouraging people from migrating. Nigeria is a terrible place for BOTH rich and poor. That's the truth and you know it.

IbeOkehie:


Again this is my real name. What is your name?

ALL my family live in the USA, I brought ALL of them including my mother and ALL my siblings....a long time ago. If the USA was so bad, I wouldn't have done that. My wife worked for a major oil company in Nigeria, she left it and joined me here and today tells me she wished she had left Nigeria a long time ago.

By the way, I attended an FGC in the 1980's in Nigeria with the children of the elites. I could reel out some big names. Most of them are out here in the USA and UK with me. Why would such people leave Nigeria if it was such a wonderful place to live?

Back in 1984, migration was called doing ANDREW, like it's called JAPA today. Back then President Buhari himself was begging Nigerians to stop DOING ANDREW but all his own children were living in UK and Spain, attending even primary school there. Today he's always in London.

THE PRESIDENT OF NIGERIA basically lives his whole life abroad so who is the MUGU that thinks Nigeria is better than the UK? Your President thinks otherwise! Check Tinubu and Atiku and top politicians, their families are all likely here with me....again I attended University with some of them right here in the USA, as in the same campus at the same time.

Why are they running away from Nigeria and who is the MUGU that will remain and build Nigeria for them? That should be THE END of any argument.

I moved back to Nigeria in 2011 and I know what I saw. Yes, dead bodies on MAJOR ROAD for WEEKS. You know it happens in Nigeria and there's no way it can happen in the USA or UK.

Stop discouraging people from migrating. Nigeria is a terrible place for BOTH rich and poor. That's the truth and you know it.

You are yet to answer my question, should all of us leave Nigeria to abroad and left her for who If you don’t have answer to this question then no need to respond

sihamey:


You are yet to answer my question, should all of us leave Nigeria to abroad and left her for who If you don’t have answer to this question then no need to respond

All those with the opportunity to leave should do so. The reason for that is rooted in the reality that -

Standard of living in the US or UK is better for BOTH rich and poor Nigerians.

Migration is getting harder to do each year so do it while you have the chance.

Getting US/UK citizenship provides options.

My summary is simply - if someone like President Buhari who loves Nigeria so much moved his family abroad as far back as 1984, who is the MUGU that will stay in Nigeria and suffer the consequences of their policies?

Stop deceiving people that living in Nigeria is better than in the US/UK. It's not and you know it.

IbeOkehie:


All those with the opportunity to leave should do so. The reason for that is rooted in the reality that -

Standard of living in the US or UK is better for BOTH rich and poor Nigerians.

Migration is getting harder to do each year so [b][/b]do it while you have the chance.

Getting US/UK citizenship provides options.

My summary is simply - if someone like President Buhari who loves Nigeria so much moved his family abroad as far back as 1984, who is the MUGU that will stay in Nigeria and suffer the consequences of their policies?

[s]Stop deceiving people that living in Nigeria is better than in the US/UK. It's not and you know it.[/s]

You keep saying I’m discouraging people from traveling abroad do you have evidence on that Everyone will not Japa abroad most of us we like visiting abroad and come back to Nigeria like I always do every year so abroad is not big deal for me.
Anyway you are yet to answer my question all you keep saying is Buhari’s children are abroad. Buhari’s will soon leave office, make we manage the country like that. But my advise to all Japa please make una dey represent us wella over there Is disgraceful to hear Nigerians abroad committing crime after running away from shithole country. Abike Dabiri don suffer for una hand.

IbeOkehie:


All those with the opportunity to leave should do so. The reason for that is rooted in the reality that -

Standard of living in the US or UK is better for BOTH rich and poor Nigerians.

Migration is getting harder to do each year so do it while you have the chance.

Getting US/UK citizenship provides options.

My summary is simply - if someone like President Buhari who loves Nigeria so much moved his family abroad as far back as 1984, who is the MUGU that will stay in Nigeria and suffer the consequences of their policies?

Stop deceiving people that living in Nigeria is better than in the US/UK. It's not and you know it.

Pls don’t mind those fools
Nobody is even listening to them
People are migrating daily in thousands
They’re pained cos they’re stucked and don’t have money to travel lmao

sihamey:

You keep saying I’m discouraging people from traveling abroad do you have evidence on that Everyone will not Japa abroad most of us we like visiting abroad and come back to Nigeria like I always do every year so abroad is not big deal for me.

Anyway you are yet to answer my question all you keep saying is Buhari’s children are abroad. Buhari’s will soon leave office, make we manage the country like that.

I've answered your question. Yes, everyone who can should take the opportunity to leave Nigeria.

How else do you want me to answer? Mass migration is not new. Go and check history you will find there are countries like Sweden or Ireland where 30% of the population migrated to the USA.

There's criminals everywhere. Here in the USA it's very *likely* that career criminals will be jailed. That's the difference.

Those who feel Nigeria is a wonderful place to live must understand that their experience is abnormal and uncommon. It's dishonest to tell ANYONE that the US/UK is a terrible place to live compared to Nigeria. That has NEVER been true today or 50 years ago. Those who promote this view need to do some self examination.

IbeOkehie:


Again this is my real name. What is your name?

ALL my family live in the USA, I brought ALL of them including my mother and ALL my siblings....a long time ago. If the USA was so bad, I wouldn't have done that. My wife worked for a major American oil company in Nigeria, she left it and joined me here and today tells me she wished she had left Nigeria a long time ago.

By the way, I attended an FGC in the 1980's in Nigeria with the children of the elites. I could reel out some big names. Most of them are out here in the USA and UK with me. Why would such people leave Nigeria if it was such a wonderful place to live?

Back in 1984, migration was called doing ANDREW, like it's called JAPA today. Back then President Buhari himself was begging Nigerians to stop DOING ANDREW but all his own children were living in UK and Spain, attending even primary school there. Today he's always in London.

THE PRESIDENT OF NIGERIA basically lives his whole life abroad so who is the MUGU that thinks Nigeria is better than the UK? Your President thinks otherwise! Check Tinubu and Atiku and top politicians, their families are all likely here with me....again I attended University with some of them right here in the USA, as in the same campus at the same time.

Why are they running away from Nigeria and who is the MUGU that will remain and build Nigeria for them? That should be THE END of any argument.

I moved back to Nigeria in 2011 and I know what I saw. Yes, dead bodies on MAJOR ROAD for WEEKS. You know it happens in Nigeria and there's no way it can happen in the USA or UK.

Stop discouraging people from migrating. Nigeria is a terrible place for BOTH rich and poor. That's the truth and you know it.

Most people would leave Nigeria if they could but money never complete as is the situation in my own case. Going to UK through school route is expensive for some people. Canada’s point system keeps getting higher and the more you age the more you are at a disadvantage.

The surest route is through study. So people without enough finances are left in Nigeria to struggle and make do until finance is complete. Hopefully the UK or Canada don’t close their borders by then.

1Sharon:


If they have that much money they may aswell start a business in Nigeria instead of hustling and being out of place in a foreign land.

Start a what ?
In this climate ?

sihamey:


You are yet to answer my question, should all of us leave Nigeria to abroad and left her for who If you don’t have answer to this question then no need to respond

left for those who are happy to vote for apc after 8 years of maladministration.

IbeOkehie:
This is seriously funny. Please there's data about economic conditions in Nigeria, this isn't like 25 years ago. Let's quote some of them offhand -......

You write from experience and with facts...
Relativity is important. Dangote saying he's broke and an average Nigerian saying same do not mean thesame thing.
Most of the things the western media would be agog about and folks overseas would complain about are things we'd not even bother with in Nigeria... e.g inflation of 10%, forcing out a PM because he went for a party during lockdown, 'heatwave' of 35 C. e.t.c.

Lastly, when folks say Nigeria is the best place for someone with money to 'enjoy', ask them what enjoyment means and you'd be surprised.

All said, there is no country with automatic prosperity for everyone. Some folks would do better in Nigeria and some folks would do better outside. Those looking to migrate anywhere (even within Nigeria) should think it thru. There are no bed of roses

IbeOkehie:
This is seriously funny. Please there's data about economic conditions in Nigeria, this isn't like 25 years ago. Let's quote some of them offhand -

* Only about 0.5% of Nigerian workers earn over ₦200K per month, about 95% of bank accounts contain less than ₦500K. Only 7% of Lagosians have running water in their homes...imagine the rest of the country. Life expectancy in Nigeria is about 60 years for men. That last one has been hitting home for me recently because I personally know 5 relatively healthy acquittances who left the USA & UK to live in Nigeria in the last 4 years and died from one emergency health issue or another. One just happened in Lagos LAST WEEK, the man had a heart attack and was stuck in traffic for 6 hours and died inside the car taking him to the hospital. This is someone that many of his friends had repeatedly advised him to come back to the USA. It just makes concrete the reality that choosing between Nigeria & the UK can be a matter of life and death.

I used to be a hospital lab technician. There's something called platelet concentrate that is sometimes used for babies born with some sort of haemoatology problem. When I moved back to Nigeria in 2011, I was at the FMC Hospital in Owerri when a child was born. The doctor on duty determined that the baby needed platelet concentrate. It was not available ANYWHERE. And the baby died. This is a product we used to throw away like water at my USA workplace because it has an 8 hour shelf life. The standing procedure is to have it available at all times just in case of a neonatal crisis. But in Nigeria it was NOWHERE to be found. The doctor cried and I cried too. It's not that babies don't die in the USA or UK, it's that they don't die cheaply. By the way, the son of a serving Federal Minister also died of the same thing some years ago, he had a crisis and needed a blood product that wasn't available in Nigeria. He died in an air ambulance on the way to the UK. Unfortunately I can't put their grief out here in public, but it's a lesson on how precarious life has become that someone so highly placed can't even save themselves. So much for living the good life in Nigeria.

Simply put, your chances of staying alive are higher in the West, period.



Yes there are people earning millions of dollars in Nigeria, I know a few field engineers in the oil & gas industry or top bankers or people working remotely for big IT companies. Yes, they are there but the more important point is that the numbers of such people in Nigeria are so few as to be negligible. They're a statistically insignificant number and their situation is getting more precarious with each passing year.

I know TWO highly placed families in Nigeria where both parents and ADULT CHILDREN and spouses and grandchildren have moved from Nigeria into the town where I live. These are people who live in Banana Island, Ikoyi, Maitama, who work at major oil & gas companies, banks and are in politics. They pulled up EVERYTHING and abandoned Nigeria. I don't live in a major city so imagine the number that are migrating to London, New York or Houston. The last push for one of them was being REPEATEDLY robbed in Abuja after fleeing the same problem in Lagos years before. The woman told me this personally.

These are people who know what is going on in Nigeria and they're leaving! It's not always about MONEY, it's also about quality of life and peace of mind. The elites of Nigeria - the perm secs, federal directors, academic elites, business moguls, top politicians - are a disgrace to the Black Race. I like the way things are going now, many of them are being forced to flee the results of their own idiocy, now in the West they have to rub shoulders with their victims on an equal basis. And everything I see tells me it's going to get worse.



What is the deception? It's telling that ORDINARY LOWER MIDDLE CLASS life depicted on Facebook is viewed as exaggerated luxury by Nigerians. I know many Nigerians who have been working low wage jobs for over 25 years and they all own homes in good neighborhoods and MULTIPLE cars and their kids are university graduates working good jobs. Most if not all of them have scrimped and saved to build homes in Nigeria too.
However much they spend in UK it's still enough to send plenty of money to their relatives in Nigeria.

This very topic is what brought me to Nairaland. I was SHOCKED to read people mocking the standard of living in the Anglo countries. I came to the USA with zero money, my plane ticket was bought with borrowed money. I started life working illegally in a restaurant. I know for a fact that even back then, working in that restaurant, I was better off than 99% of people in Nigeria. Summary - if I can live a good life in the West, most people can achieve it too.

I'm in the Nigerian community, I hear of people moving to UK all the time, I see people coming into my community every week, every month both illegally and legally, married with children and single, rich and poor. Even when they're starting from scratch, within a year or two they have fully paid off used car they couldn't dream of having in Nigeria, they live in apartments - maybe with a single roommate - with running water, flush toilet and 24 hour electricity. Breathing fresh air with no dust and generator fumes. They can walk the street with confidence, no police checkpoints, they can drive for hours on the highway with no fear of being waylaid by armed robbers or kidnapped. Those are things that are not guaranteed even in Lekki Phase Zero or VGC.

A Professor, a scion of one of the most prominent families in my ancestral village, was kidnapped right in front of his house in Nigeria. The kidnappers collected their 40million and still killed him.

Good thing too Nigerians going to the West now are learning to do manual work like landscaping, computer wiring/network setups, auto mechanics and mobile car wash, cooking food and selling from their homes, sewing clothes & shoe repair, so having papers is not even as much a problem as before. Honestly I wish I had such skills when I arrived here, life would have been a lot easier. There's a woman who sells Nigerian food that we patronize often, we buy like one week worth of food at a time. When you go to pick up at her home you can see they're VERY BUSY. There's one or two more people that have opened walk up - carry out restaurants. They cater parties too. A Nigerian mobile car washer cleaned my car last week, he came to the office and did it. Who needs Green Card to do that?

Nigeria today is not a good place to live for the VAST MAJORITY and it must be a terrible burden to even be rich in the midst of such misery. Hopefully it will get better but all this fakery about life in Nigeria must stop. Y'all know you're not real.

I enjoyed every single bit of what you wrote here

You are very right

jedisco:


You write from experience and with facts...
Relativity is important. Dangote saying he's broke and an average Nigerian saying same do not mean thesame thing.
Most of the things the western media would be agog about and folks overseas would complain about are things we'd not even bother with in Nigeria... e.g inflation of 10%, forcing out a PM because he went for a party during lockdown, 'heatwave' of 35 C. e.t.c.

Lastly, when folks say Nigeria is the best place for someone with money to 'enjoy', ask them what enjoyment means and you'd be surprised.

To them it means being lawless; being above the law and being above most poverty stricken people around them that they will now exploit

Rubbish

Nice writeup. Japa is the sure way right now.

IbeOkehie:


I don't CLAIM to live in the USA. I'm posting with my real name so no CLAIM there. And you are trying to discourage potential migrants.

Nigeria today is a terrible country to live or visit. That's for the vast majority of people, including the very rich. That's not gullibility
it's reality. I know people in the oil & gas industry in Nigeria earning THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS PER DAY and many have pulled up and left Nigeria and more are planning to do so right now. That's the facts.

There's nothing to argue about. I moved back to Nigeria after many years abroad. I owned a business, I lived well, a luxurious life amid terrible poverty. Riding in my SUV and seeing dead bodies lying on the road for WEEKS. People always begging and badgering me for money. Passing through Airport VIP Lounges with dirty, flooded toilets. Live in a big house where the servants and personal staff are a constant threat because of the sheer income disparity that provokes envy. That's not a country, that's hell.

Statistics is reality. Add up all the gun violence in the USA and I still feel safer here than in Nigeria. I've lived in Baltimore - one of the most violent cities in the USA - and I felt safer there than in Magodo Estate Lagos. This translates to my life expectancy, I'm likely to live longer in the USA than in Nigeria.

Anyway I always tell people that every bad thing that happens in Nigeria also happens in the USA or UK, the difference is the response of the government and civil society. That's the more important aspect of the whole thing. The PUBLIC or GOVERNMENT RESPONSE to adverse events is what instills confidence and that is where Nigeria fails totally. Today in the USA you find police still arresting murderers 30 years after the crime was committed! Get killed or robbed in Nigeria and NOTHING is done. Give it a month and it's forgotten, the bereaved are left to cope with the agony of justice denied in what is supposed to be a country with laws and government.

I repeat - most Nigerians, rich or poor, will have a better standard of living in Anglo Western countries than in Nigeria. I started from ZERO with an illegal job and I made it to the middle class and ANYONE even illegal immigrants are still doing it today. Compared to Nigeria TODAY, for the average person yes the Anglo West is and has always been close to paradise.

My message to Nigerians is to get out of that country if you can. Think about it, President Buhari in 1984 was preaching to Nigerians not to migrate abroad and AT THE SAME TIME all his children were living in Spain and the UK. That is the summary of the situation, don't be a MUGU, your President and his family have lived their lives in the UK and yet he tells you to be proud of Nigeria.

When President Biden moves to Nigeria that will be a signal that things are getting bad here. Until then I'm enjoying my 4th Class citizenship in this heaven. Life is too short abeg, to each his own.

Have a good day!

sukkot:
but seriously lets talk about the issue of driving in the uk. i remember one insurance company because i was a new driver was quoting me 4000 pounds for the whole year. who can afford that ? just insurance alone ? thats like 4 million aira for the whole year. meanwhile here in naija its 5000 naira for the whole year ( about 5 pounds ). the issue of gas ? i can fill my tank with 6000 naira ( about 7 pounds ) meanwhile to fill your tank in UK is 100 pounds. we never talk road tax and MOT oooo .

uk done cast

Wrong ignorant analysis.

Why convert to naira?

Do they earn in naira?

Even the insurance you talked about covers everything, even replacement of your car and third party too.

Do you gain anything by that nonsense you pay in Nigeria.

You sound like a primary school kid, I am sorry

LagosInter:


Wrong ignorant analysis.

Why convert to naira?

Do they earn in naira?

Even the insurance you talked about covers everything, even replacement of your car and third party too.

Do you gain anything by that nonsense you pay in Nigeria.

You sound like a primary school kid, I am sorry

ignorant ass nigga obviously you dont know what you tambout. alright lets do earnings to car insurance ratio. so they want 4000 a year from me as insurance. this is 80 pounds a week. the average wage in uk is like 400 a week. so at 80 pounds you want a fifth of my salary just for insurance alone. i never pay rent ooooo and my other 20 bills. now here in naija the average wage is like 300 thousand a month ( average not minimum because i used average for uk too ). so the insurance at 5000 a year is 10 naira a week. wage at 300 thousand is 75000 a week. so out of 75000 naira a week they only want 10 naira a week for insurance. thats less than one percent of my wage whereas in uk they want 20 percent of my wages in auto insurance. hope you have been schooled ignant nigga