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rvp2018:
Since 1999 - IPPs - Independent power producer came in - kenyans always pay forex charge on their electricity. IPPs signed agreement to provide us power for 30yrs - and those who import oil/thermal - have forex charge on them. KPLC have to buy dollars - and Kenya banks are making a kill from forex - so it make sense if they can charge source for own cheaper forex.

We are okay - because we dont have rolling power cuts like South africa, Nigeria, Tanzania, Zambia and Zimbwabwe - who are all struggling for non-investment in the sector and dependence entirely on hydro or coal - or of course being totally rudderless like Nigeria.

dumbest thing ever said here


Is the Kenyan shilling no longer the legal tender of Kenya?
Where will 60 million Kenyans get dollars from to pay their bills when Kenya power itself can't find any?

You guys don't seem to know where the bottomless pit ends , you keep digging deeper.

Wasn't the entire Kenya shut down last week because of complete collapse of the grid?
Has there not been rolling blackout in the entire country for the last 50 years now?

Rice farms in the North East Region of Ghana, Janga

Dual carriage at Amaanase in the Eastern Region

Kumasi Accra dual carriage road passing through the Eastern Region

Rush hour at Nkrumah circle

rvp2018:
Since 1999 - IPPs - Independent power producer came in - kenyans always pay forex charge on their electricity. IPPs signed agreement to provide us power for 30yrs - and those who import oil/thermal - have forex charge on them. KPLC have to buy dollars - and Kenya banks are making a kill from forex - so it make sense if they can charge source for own cheaper forex.

We are okay - because we dont have rolling power cuts like South africa, Nigeria, Tanzania, Zambia and Zimbwabwe - who are all struggling for non-investment in the sector and dependence entirely on hydro or coal - or of course being totally rudderless like Nigeria.

once you produce just 5% the electricity we generate then we'll talk

jl115:
once you produce just 5% the electricity we generate then we'll talk

That was mean

Usual madness. KPLC is proposing to charge only those who want to pay dollars; like embassies, UN, and others.

Just40:
dumbest thing ever said here


Is the Kenyan shilling no longer the legal tender of Kenya?
Where will 60 million Kenyans get dollars from to pay their bills when Kenya power itself can't find any?

You guys don't seem to know where the bottomless pit ends , you keep digging deeper.

Wasn't the entire Kenya shut down last week because of complete collapse of the grid?
Has there not been rolling blackout in the entire country for the last 50 years now?

Slimy city

Just40:
Rush hour at Nkrumah circle

Learn how to farm in small scale first - that farm look really unkempt

Just40:
Rice farms in the North East Region of Ghana, Janga

You producer power you need to dig 10kms into the earth crust looking for gold. Maybe you need to give up on gold pursuit - and supply citizens with critical basic power package like kenya.
Only 20 companies mainly involved in minning consume what 80% of that power.
We dont need all that.
We have more than enough power than we need.
We have excess power we can sell to you.

Now you can't mine or put the lights on - without running a diesel generator - sounds like the start of Nigeria.

The economy is also characterised by a small number of industrial concerns consuming almost half of the electricity. Most of them are members of The Energy Intensive User Group (EIUG). Its 31 members account for 44% of all electricity consumed in South Africa but, collectively, they also have a collective annual turnover of R741 billion, more than 20% of South Africa’s GDP and employ nearly 600,000 South Africans. Almost half the EIUG’s members are in mining and a third are manufacturing concerns.

jl115:
once you produce just 5% the electricity we generate then we'll talk

rvp2018:
Usual madness. KPLC is proposing to charge only those who want to pay dollars; like embassies, UN, and others.

Lunatic with another useless comment.. that's not what they want

rvp2018:
Slimy city

bigger than you're, sleep

rvp2018:
Learn how to farm in small scale first - that farm look really unkempt

another rant from a country struggling to produce just 50,000 metric tonnes of rice

You wish every country was going through economic turmoil like Ghana. You deal with your self-inflicted pain alone for 20yrs.

Just40:


Lunatic with another useless comment.. that's not what they want

If i had may way - we would import those cheap grains - and focus on dairy, avacados, nuts - horticulture and floriculture - are Industries without Smoke Stokes - they are what helps kenya get over useless grain producers like Tanzania.

Four major industries without smokestacks that helps kenya get over many backwater economies still consider farming rice something to be proud of —agro- industry and horticulture, tourism, ICT-based business service.

These IWS (industries without smokestacks) have as good multiplier as manufacturing.

Just40:
another rant from a country struggling to produce just 50,000 metric tonnes of rice

rvp2018:
Since 1999 - IPPs - Independent power producer came in - kenyans always pay forex charge on their electricity. IPPs signed agreement to provide us power for 30yrs - and those who import oil/thermal - have forex charge on them. KPLC have to buy dollars - and Kenya banks are making a kill from forex - so it make sense if they can charge source for own cheaper forex.

We are okay - because we dont have rolling power cuts like South africa, Nigeria, Tanzania, Zambia and Zimbwabwe - who are all struggling for non-investment in the sector and dependence entirely on hydro or coal - or of course being totally rudderless like Nigeria.

shut up you dense,those kenya regulate, manage and print dollar ? Why then are you trying to do what you aren't capable.

If kenya try it, then consider your independent monetary policies gone like that of zimbabwe . kenya willl eventually loose the power to control her interest rates. How then do you stimulate your economic growth . Kenya is about sinking ( walking the path of zimbabwe ) the worst is, it is even a national company seeking payment in hard currency . If the policy work , many organization will also request for similar treatment. Then more compounded problem for more poor turkana citizens . I pity kenya .

What madness are you on.
KPLC requires 50-70M dollars monthly to pay IPPs and loans they took in foreign currency.
They need to figure out how to survive the dollar crunch
And are proposing charging customers in EPZ, embassies and such dollars if they agree

As for Ghana - have you even paid Nigeria for Gas without walking sleeping Buhari?

You own power companies dont even pay for their debt - it's Ghana gov that pays

vaxx:
shut up you dense,those kenya regulate, manage and print dollar ? Why then are you trying to do what you aren't capable.

If kenya try it, then consider your independent monetary policies home like that of zimbabwe . kenya willl eventually loose the power to control interest rates. How them do you stimulate your economic growth . Kenya is about sinking ( walking the path of zimbabwe ) the worst it is even a national company seeking payment in hard currency . If the policy work , many organization will also request for similar treatment. Then more compounded problem for more poor turkana citizens . I pity kenya .

rvp2018:
What madness are you on.
KPLC requires 50-70M dollars monthly to pay IPPs and loans they took in foreign currency.
They need to figure out how to survive the dollar crunch
And are proposing charging customers in EPZ, embassies and such dollars if they agree

As for Ghana - have you even paid Nigeria for Gas without walking sleeping Buhari?

You own power companies dont even pay for their debt - it's Ghana gov that pays

So because your govt buys petrol related product in hard currency , it therefore make sense to sell it back to her local consumer in hard currency ? What a daft analogy. Your independent power company aren't the only organization in kenya who had borrowed hard currency. Your govt for instance is a perennial borrower likewise many local independent people' are also doing it . They don't come back charging their consumers in hard currency. It is economically useless to do so . Unless there is a reason for me to acknowledge your power station are running at looses for charging in shillings ( we understand how your cbk pampered it instead of allowing economic reality to unfold it).

Ghana does not owned Nigeria any gas money as that has been settled a long time , fool .

ECG earns a lot of local revenue here , it will be stupid for her to charge in dollars . We are not backwater kenya

These hobbits always trying to impress Kenyans. By now you fools should have got the memo, we aren't impressed by zoos.

rvp2018:
You producer power you need to dig 10kms into the earth crust looking for gold. Maybe you need to give up on gold pursuit - and supply citizens with critical basic power package like kenya.
Only 20 companies mainly involved in minning consume what 80% of that power.
We dont need all that.
We have more than enough power than we need.
We have excess power we can sell to you.

Now you can't mine or put the lights on - without running a diesel generator - sounds like the start of Nigeria.

The economy is also characterised by a small number of industrial concerns consuming almost half of the electricity. Most of them are members of The Energy Intensive User Group (EIUG). Its 31 members account for 44% of all electricity consumed in South Africa but, collectively, they also have a collective annual turnover of R741 billion, more than 20% of South Africa’s GDP and employ nearly 600,000 South Africans. Almost half the EIUG’s members are in mining and a third are manufacturing concerns.

Usually I'd day Google is your friend, however for you it isn't, mining only consumes 14% of the electricity in South Africa... Pretty consistent with its gdp contribution.... Manufacturing make up 46% of the electricity consumption, residential 17% and commercial 13%...... Just our residential power usage is 4 times your entire grid

Just40:
no one roast goat meat with tyre

Tell me why someone in a civilized country allow children to scavenge on dump sites.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0B_vZCLDs-M


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zOtshu8Fr9c

Typical typical West African behaviour. I can't say am surprised.

jl115:
Usually I'd day Google is your friend, however for you it isn't, mining only consumes 14% of the electricity in South Africa... Pretty consistent with its gdp contribution.... Manufacturing make up 46% of the electricity consumption, residential 17% and commercial 13%...... Just our residential power usage is 4 times your entire grid

We don't have rationing...we have more than we need..deal with Eskom blackouts without dragging other countries.If you're manufacturing then have electricity .Fact is Nigeria,south Africa, Tanzania, Zimbabwe and Zambia have blackouts now. Kenya we are enjoying power 24hrs a day

rvp20182:
We don't have rationing...we have more than we need..deal with Eskom blackouts without dragging other countries.If you're manufacturing then have electricity .Fact is Nigeria,south Africa, Tanzania, Zimbabwe and Zambia have blackouts now. Kenya we are enjoying power 24hrs a day

Congrats, next is to feed the people of Turkana, and you can now have something to boast of.


Besides, you keep dragging Nigeria yet, we are busy living our lives,
Just find some other engagement that can yield cash.

Rvp has mentioned Nigeria today more than 20times, are you obsessed with us?
Well, we still have cultural Influence over your country, they love us

rvp20182:
We don't have rationing...we have more than we need..deal with Eskom blackouts without dragging other countries.If you're manufacturing then have electricity .Fact is Nigeria,south Africa, Tanzania, Zimbabwe and Zambia have blackouts now. Kenya we are enjoying power 24hrs a day

it's easy to have 24hour electricity when only 70odd % of your population is connected to the grid and you are totally none industrialised like Kenya

Just like what I said yesterday , no be only dollar, even the problem don dey affect local currency. I am sure Ghana will follow suit . We are not just In a normal time . But A hundered thousand naira weekly limit too small nah . Nigeria what dey sup?


CBN announce on Tuesday say starting from 9 January 2023, individuals no go fit withdraw more dan N100,000 ova di counter weekly while corporate organisations go get limit of N500,000.


If you must withdraw above that , them go sama you 5 percent charges untop your own money .

vaxx:
Just like what I said yesterday , no be only dollar, even the problem don dey affect local currency. I am sure Ghana will follow suit . We are not just In a normal time . But A hundered thousand naira weekly limit too small nah . Nigeria what dey sup?


CBN announce on Tuesday say starting from 9 January 2023, individuals no go fit withdraw more dan N100,000 ova di counter weekly while corporate organisations go get limit of N500,000.


If you must withdraw above that , them go sama you 5 percent charges untop your own money .

Since 2013, the CBN have been on a slow but steady drive to bring in the millions of people in the informal economy (which is too large). It is said (though no official report yet), that in Gombe state alone for instance, transactions on grains and some agricultural products are worth Billions of naira daily, but they are all done in cash. The CBN wants to slowly kill the informal sector.

Then why industrialize if you cannot generate electricity for basic household needs?
The reality is you're going down.
This is a new problem - a sign of things deteroriating.
You're coming down - kenya is going up

jl115:
it's easy to have 24hour electricity when only 70odd % of your population is connected to the grid and you are totally none industrialised like Kenya

Nigeria is a country. And this thread is about comparison. If you dont like country comparison - with a negative feel to it - please look for other good feel threads in nairaland. I am sure they are millions such thread.

Why are you hooked up with thread you dont enjoy. I enjoy comparing countries and learn something at end of the day

IGpro1:
Congrats, next is to feed the people of Turkana, and you can now have something to boast of.


Besides, you keep dragging Nigeria yet, we are busy living our lives,
Just find some other engagement that can yield cash.

Rvp has mentioned Nigeria today more than 20times, are you obsessed with us?
Well, we still have cultural Influence over your country, they love us

rvp2018:
Then why industrialize if you cannot generate electricity for basic household needs?
The reality is you're going down.
This is a new problem - a sign of things deteroriating.
You're coming down - kenya is going up

- We industrialized before Eskoms problems bru.....However like I've stated IPPs have now been approved, in about 3 years there won't be any more loadshedding

- are we?: https://businesstech.co.za/news/finance/649255/big-surprise-for-south-africas-economy/

- then why has the GDP gap between Kenya and SA expanded ?

GeneralDae:
Since 2013, the CBN have been on a slow but steady drive to bring in the millions of people in the informal economy which is too large. It is said (though no official report yet) that in Gombe state alone for instance, transactions on grains and some agricultural products are worth Billions of naira daily, but they are all done in cash. The CBN wants to slowly kill the informal economy.

what do you think?I think govt want to have the foreknowledge of the transaction going on so that they can apply taxes . Digitizing the economy. The first timecGhana digitized her football ticket, she made four fold of the money she would have recorded on a manual ticketing.

But how will they expect a normedic cattlemen to come formalized their trade, for example, . This guy's walk with all sort of currency , dollars , CFA , naira and cedis in just their crossing bag . They buy and sell cows along the bush part , that is how they live from walking from northern Nigeria to northern Ghana . Or even more kilometers .

Just40:
no one roast goat meat with tyre

Tell me why someone in a civilized country allow children to scavenge on dump sites.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0B_vZCLDs-M


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zOtshu8Fr9c

This is disgusting.

I wish I hadn’t clicked that first video, I don’t think I can erase that memory from my mind.

Kenya is truly a cesspit