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rvp2018:
So you agree with World Bank not South Africa Treasury.
Can you dial back and see what they predicted kenya will be now.
They predicted kenya will be here in 2030

that's the IMF and yes I agree because their growth projections are the same as our treasury

Shma2022:
Understand the point! Don't be a buffoon.
I said don't over rely on IMF.

IMF is not God of projections. Use your brain and analyze the data by yourself. Where were you in 2011 vs now. Where was Kenya then vs now?
What are the economic growth rate trends...

Common sense.

What more do you want? I gave you IMF and PWC projections..... What have you cited to prove your argument? Absolutely nothing, you haven't posted 1 projection that shows Kenya ahead of SA

jl115:
Nope I don't agree

Bro, a link for this will help. I want to see something.

Shma2022:
Confirmation bias.

ironic since I'm the only one posting actual sources and you post "trust me bro" arguments

Shma2022:
Nakuru has bigger economy than Accra.
Kenya is a not a dwarf republic where their biggest city depicts a market.

Outside tiny Accra -- which can't make city status in Kenya, what other town have you ever proudly posted?

Know your lanes.

Rant on

The only thing that come close to a city in your country is Nairobi, I'm not the one saying it UN Habit says so.


I've proudly posted Accra, Tema, Kumasi, Takoradi, Suyani, Temale...

I've also posted every community in Accra.

Why are you ashamed to post the communities in Nairobi?
The slum capital is less developed, deal with it

List of Africa major urban cities

Shma2022:
Bro, a link for this will help. I want to see something.

sure... Knock yourself out


https://www.imf.org/external/datamapper/NGDPD@WEO/ZAF/KEN

jl115:
What more do you want? I gave you IMF and PWC projections..... What have you cited to prove your argument? Absolutely nothing, you haven't posted 1 projection that shows Kenya ahead of SA

Well, seems we're not on the same page.

Just pluck 10years - to date. Pick one institution: IMF or WB, drop there forecast for 2022, and let's check the validity and accuracy of these projections.

Shma2022:
Well, seems we're not on the same page.

Just pluck 10years - to date. Pick one institution: IMF or WB, drop there forecast for 2022, and let's check the validity and accuracy of these projections.

I did.... I literally just posted the link

jl115:
sure... Knock yourself out


https://www.imf.org/external/datamapper/NGDPD@WEO/ZAF/KEN

Good. If you went through it, you'll realize the growth rate is static. Like for Kenya --- it's projected with a growth rate of 5.5% --- to 2027. That will be mathematically impossible to catch up with SA in 2027, or even 2030.
Kenya's GDP growth rate is dynamic.

But my logic towards this everything is totally different from RVP's. I believe SA economy will crumble. I'm not praying for it's death though, don't get me wrong.

I gave you my reasons as to why.

jl115:
I did.... I literally just posted the link

I've gone through it, and yes. If we stick with their methodology, we might catch up in 2090.

But that is different from my point of view. mark this quote.

Shma2022:
It' s a matter of common sense. If you decompound that data well, you'll realize they just based their findings on the forecast of GDP growth rate... Bigger economies will still stand high.

Lemme give you an instance:

In 2005, your projected GDP growth rate was around 4.3% -- one of the highest! By then, your GDP was around $333B -- two years down the line, your economy shrank to $316B -- $329B respectively. You're now projecting your GDP growth rate for the year 2023 to 1.1%. let's see if you can achieve that. My projection for your 2023 GDP growth rate is -3%... Your GDP will shrink a little bit due to a lackluster economy -- rise in load shedding, poor governance, and pretty much everything brought by the ANC. And in 2024 --- I believe you'll have the aggressive Malema. He will grab back the land and reinstate the blacks. That will be a catastrophe for the South African economy! That will be the end of the reign. Your GDP 2yrs down the line will be paddling their own canoe. Boers will have very little to add --- and perhaps, just like Ghanaian daughters and sons of slaves in UK and US; you will be left seeking your roots in Europe. By then, your economy will shrink by more than 50% before reinstatement and growth start happening - That is 3 yrs down the line. Kenya by then will be having close to $300B.

Just30:
Rant on

The only thing that come close to a city in your country is Nairobi, I'm not the one saying it UN Habit says so.


I've proudly posted Accra, Tema, Kumasi, Takoradi, Suyani, Temale...

I've also posted every community in Accra.

Why are you ashamed to post the communities in Nairobi?
The slum capital is less developed, deal with it

List of Africa major urban cities

Again, 2007 data... This data expired long time ago.

These are key takeaways of our 10yrs business and transformation.:

The decade saw the rise of fintech, agritech, e-commerce, transport solutions while a serious disruption rendered most business models irrelevant as technology and innovation became the epicentre of every successful business.
In the decade, a rise in the number of women contributing to the growth and adoption of emerging technologies has boosted inclusion.
The growth of technology hubs, parks and accelerators in the past decade cannot be underestimated, as they contribute to the expansion of the digital economy.
The country is still at the awareness stage of emerging technologies, which landed in 2016, so few players exist in these fields


Accra is a village slum.

Shma2022:
Again, 2007 data... This data expired long time ago.
Accra is a village slum.

cry more .... The List is 2016 as you can see on the top of it..

Nairobi is a Slum and mostly village

Just30:
cry more .... The List is 2016 as you can see on the top of it..

Nairobi is a Slum and mostly village

2016 is 6 years ago, almost a decade. But that was when the source was posted -- from UN blog. The survey took place in 2007, 15yrs ago, when you were in high school or uni, perhaps. I was in primary school by then.

Even so, we have 2017, 2018, 2019, 2020, 2021, 2022 -- all those were years of sheer transformation.

Shma2022:
2016 is 6 years ago, almost a decade. But that was when the source was posted -- from UN blog. The survey took place in 2007, 15yrs ago, when you were in high school or uni, perhaps. I was in primary school by then.

Even so, we have 2017, 2018, 2019, 2020, 2021, 2022 -- all those were years of sheer transformation.

Which is not enough time for anywhere else in Kenya to become a city .... Have you seen a survey that takes place in 2007 contain results from 2016 and 2018…? Like a told you, just take your shame of a country and go compare with Rwanda and Uganda, the report is 2018

You see the madness that is doing you

Mombasa first dual carriage road is still under construction

Just30:
Which is not enough time for anywhere else in Kenya to become a city .... Have you seen a survey that takes place in 2007 contain results from 2016 and 2018…? Like a told you, just take your shame of a country and go compare with Rwanda and Uganda, the report is 2018

You see the madness that is doing you

Mombasa first dual carriage road is still under construction

I can post a blog today with ghana beyond aid campaign ( where Nairobi of 1990 was lifted as your 50 year vision --- dream ) yes, it took place 5 yrs ago, but the published date was today. or I can drop WB data for our 2017 GDP. No message will be distorted, just the date.

Check the original post and post the link here. If you don't have dwarf balls.

Rwand and Uganda have nearly the same GDP, population, geographical size, wealth, and pretty much everything like Ghana. Those are your twins, not Kenya's.

Kakamega village has massive dual road. Lodwa --- a drought-infested region, where we have less than 1% of Kenya's population --- has dual carriage. Ghana should learn.

Shma2022:
I can post a blog today with ghana beyond aid campaign ( where Nairobi of 1990 was lifted as your 50 year vision --- dream ) yes, it took place 5 yrs ago, but the published date was today. or I can drop WB data for our 2017 GDP. No message will be distorted, just the date.

Check the original post and post the links here. If you don't have dwarf balls.

Deal with the data and stop all the complains

Nothing has changed to cause improvement for any of your towns.... For instance in 2021, of the 22 urban centers in all of Kenya, 11 is in the greater Nairobi area.
That is how I know nothing has improved in the rest of your country.

Do you want to weep over that too

Just30:
Deal with the data and stop all the complains

Nothing has changed to cause improvement for any of your towns.... For instance in 2021, of the 22 urban centers in all of Kenya, 11 is in the greater Nairobi area.
That is how I know nothing has improved in the rest of your country.

Do you want to weep over that too

I don't dispute data. It clearly doesn't make sense for me to show up with 15yrs old data when I have a year-old data. Only M0rons will buy into that sh"t.

Urbanization topic was sealed long time ago. Building slums everywhere for the sake of boosting urbanization is a silly and backward idea. Uhuru Kenyatta and many more dollar billionaires are enjoying their posh life in villages.

Just build your mini zoo and cut the excuses.

Shma2022:
I don't dispute data. It clearly doesn't make sense for me to show up with 15yrs old data when I have a year-old data. Only M0rons will buy into that sh"t.

Urbanization topic was sealed long time ago. Building slums everywhere for the sake of boosting urbanization is a silly and backward idea. Uhuru Kenyatta and many more dollar billionaires are enjoying their posh life in villages.

Just build your mini zoo and cut the excuses.

so you've moved from accepting that it is a 2018 data back to your nonsense claim ?
Big wan*ker

Shut up there Uhuru is not a billionaire even with your country stolen wealth. Which village does he live in?
The man is Afraid and ran to build a cottage in the middle of a forest to escape vagabonds overruning his house.


Go build that big slumish ZOO you live in and stop comparing yourself to countries far better than you in all things.

Uhuru park at night - Nairobi nailing the aesthetics.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nsTPXOXhlZY

Shma2022:
I've gone through it, and yes. If we stick with their methodology, we might catch up in 2090.

But that is different from my point of view. mark this quote.

their methodology matters.... Rvps delusional methodology means absolutely Bleep all.... But I'm glad you've seen the light.... And yes I've bookmarked this post

Shma2022:
Good. If you went through it, you'll realize the growth rate is static. Like for Kenya --- it's projected with a growth rate of 5.5% --- to 2027. That will be mathematically impossible to catch up with SA in 2027, or even 2030.
Kenya's GDP growth rate is dynamic.

But my logic towards this everything is totally different from RVP's. I believe SA economy will crumble. I'm not praying for it's death though, don't get me wrong.

I gave you my reasons as to why.

it literally doesn't

Look:

Also your reasons were that the EFF will be in charge in 2024, the only way you could come to that conclusion is if you are smoking some good sh1t.... The fact is the EFF are in real danger of becoming the 4th largest party after Action SA

South Africa GDP in 2010 - 410B. Then 2020 - 350B. Now 410B. I dont see what magic you'll use to turn the tide. 2030 - 410B or even less.
That simple.
Kenya 2010 - GDP 45B. Now 115B. If we add similar period forward with same dynamics - I dont see why not - Kenya GDP will be 300B.
So to be precise - 2035 - kenya and South Africa will be near equal.

And this is not a strange phenomenom - it has happened to many countries in middle class - it called middle class trap.

And you're even luckier than say Brazil whose economy was 2.6 trillion dollars in 2010 - and now it's 1.6 trillion.

IMF/WB cannot predict such

According to the concept, a country in the middle-income trap has lost its competitive edge in the export of manufactured goods due to rising wages, but is unable to keep up with more developed economies in the high-value-added market. As a result, newly industrialized economies such as South Africa and Brazil have not, for decades, left what the World Bank defines as the 'middle-income range' since their per capita gross national product has remained between $1,000 to $12,000 at constant (2011) prices.[1] They suffer from low investment, slow growth in the secondary sector of the economy, limited industrial diversification and poor labor market conditions and increasingly, aging populations.[4]

From 1960 to 2010, only 15 out of 101 middle-income economies escaped the middle income trap, including Hong Kong, Japan, Singapore, South Korea and Taiwan.[5]

jl115:
that's the IMF and yes I agree because their growth projections are the same as our treasury

Just30:
so you've moved from accepting that it is a 2018 data back to your nonsense claim ?
Big wan*ker

Shut up there Uhuru is not a billionaire even with your country stolen wealth. Which village does he live in?
The man is Afraid and ran to build a cottage in the middle of a forest to escape vagabonds overruning his house.


Go build that big slumish ZOO you live in and stop comparing yourself to countries far better than you in all things.

Dwarf, There is data, and then there is date. Those two are entirely two different things. I don't have to teach you basic things. I accepeted data not date.

Data are facts and statistics collected together for reference or analysis

Why are you displaying the low-quality education you experience in Ghana ? You're dealing with foreigners... People from the most advanced system of education.

This is the definition of date:

Date is the day of the month or year as specified by a number.


Whether uhuru is a billionaire or not, he's still richer than any existing hobbit. And yes, you just proved my point. His stay in the village justifies my previous point on the urbanization rate.

Morocco playing like real atlas mountain lions. 10 minutes to semifinal

jl115:
it literally doesn't

Look:

Also your reasons were that the EFF will be in charge in 2024, the only way you could come to that conclusion is if you are smoking some good sh1t.... The fact is the EFF are in real danger of becoming the 4th largest party after Action SA

2022 is the actual data. 2023 onwards is projections.

Morroco does it. That is how to play in world cup. Not leak goals like Ghana sieve.

Shma2022:
Nakuru has bigger economy than Accra.
Kenya is a not a dwarf republic where their biggest city depicts a market.

Outside tiny Accra -- which can't make city status in Kenya, what other town have you ever proudly posted?

Know your lanes.

You are being too lenient on us
Infact Kakamega is more richer than the entire Ghana which means Nairobi, Mombasa, Nakuru, Kisumu and Eldorate are richer.
It will take Accra 50 years to reach their level

Shma2022:
Dwarf, There is data, and then there is date. Those two are entirely two different things. I don't have to teach you basic things. I accepeted data not date.

Data are facts and statistics collected together for reference or analysis

Why are you displaying the low-quality education you experience in Ghana ? You're dealing with foreigners... People from the most advanced system of education.

This is the definition of date:

Date is the day of the month or year as specified by a number.


Whether uhuru is a billionaire or not, he's still richer than any existing hobbit. And yes, you just proved my point. His stay in the village justifies my previous point on the urbanization rate.

Uhuru is not even richer than the Bediako brothers in Ghana let alone be a billionaire so sleep na there's nothing in your uncivilized village like richness.


Read and cry more

rvp2018:
But you draw the line of civilization when it come to defecating and dumping raw sewage on the ocean. Kenyans dress the way they want - for their own comfort & happiness - not to please Ghanians- and of all the many problems we have - It's an non issue.

Ghana is doing way better than your country in all that you mentioned

rvp2018:
Even in Senior High school you still openly defacate? What is wrong with Ghana

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TAcfOol4py4

Should I also post videos of open defecation in Kenya cities?

rvp2018:
South Africa GDP in 2010 - 410B. Then 2020 - 350B. Now 410B. I dont see what magic you'll use to turn the tide. 2030 - 410B or even less.
That simple.
Kenya 2010 - GDP 45B. Now 115B. If we add similar period forward with same dynamics - I dont see why not - Kenya GDP will be 300B.
So to be precise - 2035 - kenya and South Africa will be near equal.

And this is not a strange phenomenom - it has happened to many countries in middle class - it called middle class trap.

And you're even luckier than say Brazil whose economy was 2.6 trillion dollars in 2010 - and now it's 1.6 trillion.

IMF/WB cannot predict such

According to the concept, a country in the middle-income trap has lost its competitive edge in the export of manufactured goods due to rising wages, but is unable to keep up with more developed economies in the high-value-added market. As a result, newly industrialized economies such as South Africa and Brazil have not, for decades, left what the World Bank defines as the 'middle-income range' since their per capita gross national product has remained between $1,000 to $12,000 at constant (2011) prices.[1] They suffer from low investment, slow growth in the secondary sector of the economy, limited industrial diversification and poor labor market conditions and increasingly, aging populations.[4]

From 1960 to 2010, only 15 out of 101 middle-income economies escaped the middle income trap, including Hong Kong, Japan, Singapore, South Korea and Taiwan.[5]

out of the horses mouth.... Rvp officially says he can predict economic growth and the IMF and WB can't

Shma2022:
2022 is the actual data. 2023 onwards is projections.

yes I know.....that wasn't the bone of contention, you said the growth used was constant for all the years....which clearly it isn't..... Yet another common Shma L