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Now why has vehicle production reduced from high of 500-600k to now 300k - covid? eskom?

AfriqueDuZuid:
Ford invested $1billion improving and upgrading its plants in Pretoria, components facility which will also aid Nissan

Rosslyn, Pretoria has improved injected money to make itself the continents single largest automotive industrial park

That's where companies like Kromberg(focus on German brands, and RG brose (VW, rolls Royce Toyota etc components/electronics/wiring) comes in

VW is next to a steel plant in Eastern Cape

Europe and US are Veitnam and Cambodia market for bicycles and motor cycles. Veitnam alone does close to 12b. Way more than South Africa does in MV. The world is changing.

AfriqueDuZuid:
Motor bikes are notorious in conjested poorer countries Uganda, Rwanda, Congo, India, Myanmar, poorer sides in east Asia, and South America

Never lie and say motor bikes are bough in developed world.

Bicycle lanes have been tried and tested they don't work with exception to Netherlands and japan

rvp2018:
Europe and US are Veitnam and Cambodia market for bicycles and motor cycles. Veitnam alone does close to 12b. Way more than South Africa does in MV. The world is changing.

They install more factories due to labour laws that don't care about minimum wage or human rights.

Yes it produces more.


Motorbikes are its main thing not cars,

The only thing remaining for Lagos is urban renewal.
As much as I hate the APC I cannot lie, jide San wo olu is doing well.

rvp2018:
Now why has vehicle production reduced from high of 500-600k to now 300k - covid? eskom?

It's all demand factor, during the past 2 years demand and supply for new vehicles has been down globally not just in South Africa.

Also remember Toyota was flooded early this year it just resumed operation recently

Production and supply has been up since the start of this year for all manufacturers by next year it will be back to pre covid numbers

rvp2018:
Okay that huge progress.

Also after the July looting last year

Toyota also pledged hundreds of million dollars in investments...

. Isn't it odd when people profecy doom and gloom for SA yet companies are investing billions?

rvp2018:
Most people buying motor bikes and bicycles are in developed world - where highways are giving way to bicycle lanes.

yes in poorer countries like Kenya so you guys can use it for public transportation... Europe and US doesn't allow such nonsense

How is using motor bike for public transport a problem or an issue? They are meant for transportation. In kenya they employ close to a million people and is critical industry providing critical transport service.

The Trotos you use in Ghana - are they used for public transport outside Ghana

Just30:
yes in poorer countries like Kenya so you guys can use it for public transportation... Europe and US doesn't allow such nonsense

rvp2018:
How is using motor bike for public transport a problem or an issue? They are meant for transportation. In kenya they employ close to a million people and is critical industry providing critical transport service.

The Trotos you use in Ghana - are they used for public transport outside Ghana

Pollution, reduced air quantity, etc

That is why they are going electrical - next excuse. How is travelling in upcountry south africa like? Must be difficult. If you had motor bike transport services - your rural areas wont look desolate.

This is how your mother house look like in rural south africa - and you're here denigrating motor bikes.

AfriqueDuZuid:
Pollution, reduced air quantity, etc

rvp2018:
How is using motor bike for public transport a problem or an issue? They are meant for transportation. In kenya they employ close to a million people and is critical industry providing critical transport service.

The Trotos you use in Ghana - are they used for public transport outside Ghana

yes
The Sprinter vans and ,207s we use here are use for public transportation outside.... It has mass capacity hence economical with less footprint.

Motorcycles are a nuisance, environmental mess and complete road rage.

In Ghana we only permit them in our northern poor areas and even there, it is mostly privately owned and used.

rvp2018:
That is why they are going electrical - next excuse. How is travelling in upcountry south africa like? Must be difficult. If you had motor bike transport services - your rural areas wont look desolate.

This is how your mother house look like in rural south africa - and you're here denigrating motor bikes.

Whether they go electrical or not ... Motorcycles should never be used for public transportation.

It's different when you're using it for your private stuff but carting people in motorbikes in this day and age, then I guess we should go back to ridding donkey

Sound like a lame excuse.
Sprinter vans were not designed for public transport but you convert them to Trotos - same case south african convert vans to public taxi.
Motor bikes can be electrified and organized like Rwanda has done.
They are great in beating traffic jams, accessing remote areas and providing employment to millions.

You wont be broke like now if you embraced such common sensical approach to issues.

Just30:
yes
The Sprinter vans and ,207s we use here are use for public transportation outside.... It has mass capacity hence economical with less footprint.

Motorcycles are a nuisance, environmental mess and complete road rage.

In Ghana we only permit them in our northern poor areas.

The South Africa rural being transported in wheelbarrow - as he deride motorbikes

rvp2018:
Sound like a lame excuse.
Sprinter vans were not designed for public transport but you convert them to Trotos - same case south african convert vans to public taxi.
Motor bikes can be electrified and organized like Rwanda has done.
They are great in beating traffic jams, accessing remote areas and providing employment to millions.

You wont be broke like now if you embraced such common sensical approach to issues.

do you even know a Sprinter van?
This is the most common version
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5RkxL9LazM
2500 and the longer type of it.

If you have mass capacity vans and invested in creating freeways without traffic intersections, you wouldnt be having much traffic congestions for you to be thinking backward that putting 500,000 motorbikes on the road to carry one passenger each is more beneficial than putting 50,000 vans to carry 500,000 people.

Urban mobility does not require backward thinking

Sorry, we don't think backward like that

They are not used as public transport anywhere except poor country like Ghana that buys 30yr old such car.
First eliminate 30yr old cars in your roads.
Secondly at least define the enviromental standards for you cars.

okay scratch all that.

First nobody take advice from poor and broke countries.

First pay debt....then we talk in 2040....we are really wasting time talking to a broke country

Just30:
do you even know a Sprinter van?
This is the most common version
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5RkxL9LazM
2500 and the longer type of it.

If you have mass capacity vans and invested in creating freeways without traffic intersections, you wouldnt be having much traffic congestions for you to be thinking backward that putting 500,000 motorbikes on the road to carry one passenger each is more beneficial than putting 50,000 vans to carry 500,000 people.

Urban mobility does not require backward thinking

Sorry, we don't think backward like that

rvp2018:
They are not used as public transport anywhere except poor country like Ghana that buys 30yr old such car.
First eliminate 30yr old cars in your roads.
Secondly at least define the enviromental standards for you cars.

okay scratch all that.

First nobody take advice from poor and broke countries.

First pay debt....then we talk in 2040....we are really wasting time talking to a broke country

Cry of a guy from a poor country that can't provide better options for it citizens hence they have to rely on terrible ways of transport

They are used as public transport buses in Germany, Poland, Romania, USA, Austria, France and etc.

Go pay your debt and stop defaulting and doing carry forward ..

Broke Kenya can't provide good options of transportation for Kenyans

Why are taxis not common in Kenya such that your next option goes straight down the pit to motorcycles?

The usual madness started early. Zambia that defaulted - two year ago - are yet to conclude their debt restructuring as creditors refuse to play ball. You're in for a long economic darkness. Till 2040.

Just30:
Cry of a guy from a poor country that can't provide better options for it citizens hence they have to rely on terrible ways of transport

They are used as public transport buses in Germany, Poland, Romania, USA, Austria, France and etc.

Go pay your debt and stop defaulting and doing carry forward ..

Broke Kenya can't provide good options of transportation for Kenyans

Why are taxis not common in Kenya such that your next option goes straight down the pit to motorcycles?

rvp2018:
That is why they are going electrical - next excuse. How is travelling in upcountry south africa like? Must be difficult. If you had motor bike transport services - your rural areas wont look desolate.

This is how your mother house look like in rural south africa - and you're here denigrating motor bikes.

Those houses are traditional housing in Eastern Cape, they situated next to the sea. Inland we don't have those type of housing

Pickup trucks sells like hotcakes, rangers, Hilux, Dmax, amarock, navara.... All terrain.

RVP you ground up, you should act like it if you behave like that how is vaxx supposed to behave? Your kids, your work, your parents don't matter in here

Again I have never seen those kinda houses, haven't been to the Eastern Cape yet

AfriqueDuZuid:
Now I see what yall deal with everyday. It's draining!

I know you can also be naive/trolly

Don't have the energy to deal with vaxx dude, waste of time

See this twerp
You have been exposed so shut up and stop trying to seek solace from a kenyan

I think South Africa need more motor bikes especially in it's rural areas. I find your derision of countries that have adopted motor bikes condescending and ignorant. Many southern africa countries including poor Zambia could do with motor bike revolution like happened in east africa - that has filled critical transport gaps.

And once again South Africa is a not a rich country - it's mostly black people live in squalor.

AfriqueDuZuid:
Those houses are traditional housing in Eastern Cape, they situated next to the sea. Inland we don't have those type of housing

Pickup trucks sells like hotcakes, rangers, Hilux, Dmax, amarock, navara.... All terrain.

RVP you ground up, you should act like it if you behave like that how is vaxx supposed to behave? Your kids, your work, your parents don't matter in here

Again I have never seen those kinda houses, haven't been to the Eastern Cape yet

rvp2018:
The South Africa rural being transported in wheelbarrow - as he deride motorbikes

That's Eastern Cape traditional housing... They don't need to change their housing as its part of the wild coast tourism. Those people have preserved their way of life.

Countries protect their heritage by preserving ceitain traditions.

Motorbikes has never been our mode of transport, people buy cars,

rvp2018:
The usual madness started early. Zambia that defaulted - two year ago - are yet to conclude their debt restructuring as creditors refuse to play ball. You're in for a long economic darkness. Till 2040.

Well Ghana hasn't yet ... That's why you're still waiting for us to.

Kenya has and has been doing so for two years already, as well as doing carry forward... Till 2060, Kenya will not be able to reduce it 140% 2 item consumption of revenue looting at how your deficit keeps increasing.

Good luck with the economic mess you're in

I have no problem with traditional housing - I have a problem with sick being transported in wheelbarrow. Wheel barrows are not mode of transport. In kenya before we allowed duty free entry of motor bikes somewhere in 2010 - they were a rarity. But now they are life savers esp in remote rural areas. And they have provided a million job.

And that is what you're missing - because while the Boer can afford 4WD pickup - your mother there is being wheeled by your father in a wheelbarrow.

And you're here claiming motor bikes was never a mode of transport - why dont you walk then?

AfriqueDuZuid:
That's Eastern Cape traditional housing... They don't need to change their housing as its part of the wild coast tourism. Those people have preserved their way of life.

Countries protect their heritage by preserving ceitain traditions.

Motorbikes has never been our mode of transport, people buy cars,

Mad cow ->It's one of the biggest sovereign bond defaults of 2022, if hardly unexpected: Ghana announced Monday that it would no longer service most it debt.

Just30:
Well Ghana hasn't yet ... That's why you're still waiting for us to.

Kenya has and has been doing so for two years already, as well as doing carry forward... Till 2060, Kenya will not be able to reduce it 140% 2 item consumption of revenue looting at how your deficit keeps increasing.

Good luck with the economic mess you're in

rvp2018:
I have no problem with traditional housing - I have a problem with sick being transported in wheelbarrow. Wheel barrows are not mode of transport. In kenya before we allowed duty free entry of motor bikes somewhere in 2010 - they were a rarity. But now they are life savers esp in remote rural areas. And they have provided a million job.

And that is what you're missing - because while the Boer can afford 4WD pickup - your mother there is being wheeled by your father in a wheelbarrow.

And you're here claiming motor bikes was never a mode of transport - why dont you walk then?

the day I saw Kenyans even use bicycles as public transport, you pay and hop on the back of someone riding.... I felt sad for you guys

Reserve some sorrow for your broke country - gold and oil producer - that has gone belly up. How does it even make sense.

Just30:
the day I saw Kenyans even use bicycles as public transport, you pay and hop on the back of someone riding.... I felt sad for you guys

rvp2018:
Mad cow ->It's one of the biggest sovereign bond defaults of 2022, if hardly unexpected: Ghana announced Monday that it would no longer service most it debt.

lunatic

Focus on the budgetary support lifeline that IMF is giving your govt ... It is less than 5% of what you need else people won't be paid in your country

A suspension is not a default until a payment is due and not made.. a suspension is a negotiation strategy

rvp2018:
I think South Africa need more motor bikes especially in it's rural areas. I find your derision of countries that have adopted motor bikes condescending and ignorant. Many southern africa countries including poor Zambia could do with motor bike revolution like happened in east africa - that has filled critical transport gaps.

And once again South Africa is a not a rich country - it's mostly black people live in squalor.

Rural places have tarred roads, proper roads their are accessible SA

You see East African countries are very rural and underdeveloped, starting with Kenya which is 70% rural, Rwanda 90% rural, Uganda 80% rural, Sudan same only Tanzania 60%rural....

Where do you think 750 000km Road network is carved, again public transportation is available everywhere,

Botswana, Namibia, Swaziland, and Lesotho are fine ....those are SACU members

rvp2018:
Reserve some sorrow for your broke country - gold and oil producer - that has gone belly up.

My country is better so I don't need to be sorrowful for it but I can be for a broke poor country like Kenya

AfriqueDuZuid:
Rural places have tarred roads, proper roads their are accessible SA

You see East African countries are very rural and underdeveloped, starting with Kenya which is 70% rural, Rwanda 90% rural, Uganda 80% rural, Sudan same only Tanzania 60%rural....

Where do you think 750 000km Road network is carved, again public transportation is available everywhere,

Botswana, Namibia, Swaziland, and Lesotho are fine ....those are SACU members

please don't make the guy starts crying

I dont see a road here.
Secondly how many of 50% of South Africa in rural area afford cars.
They can easily afford motor bikes.
And their lives will improve.
But you're ready to defend the Boer economy while you live in shackle in Soweto slums.

AfriqueDuZuid:
Rural places have tarred roads, proper roads their are accessible SA

You see East African countries are very rural and underdeveloped, starting with Kenya which is 70% rural, Rwanda 90% rural, Uganda 80% rural, Sudan same only Tanzania 60%rural....

Where do you think 750 000km Road network is carved, again public transportation is available everywhere,

Botswana, Namibia, Swaziland, and Lesotho are fine ....those are SACU members