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mbappe can't score without penalty,no wonder Ronaldo fans thinks he is the best

Bimffo:
This are Jorginho's stats in yesterday's match, against Zagreb and against Arsenal.

Was not impressive yesterday but he created 2 chances. Made 1 tackle. Made 3 long balls

Against Zagreb, he had 2 interception. Made 1 long ball. Created 2 chances. Won 4 out of 5 tackles. Made 76 passes.

Against Arsenal, Attempted 7 long balls because we were defending, interception 2. Tackles 3. Jorginho even jumped once and he won that duel.


If in all these matches, we castigated Jorginho and said he had a bad day in office, then why are we romancing Amrabat.

Is it because France President said Amrabat is the best midfielder in the tournament?

Person wey Onuaihi (abi wetin be that young player name) dey carry along.


IF WE CLAIM JORGINHO IS NOT GOOD FOR CHELSEA, THEN AMRABAT IS NOT THE PLAYE FOR US. It is not about forming busy for camera. Are you really doing the work? Lukaku of Midfield.

Comparing Jorgjnho vs Bournemouth or Zagreb vs a Moroccan midfielder vs possession heavy teams like Portugal, Spain and Croatia is the height of comparing apples with oranges

Secondly learn to differentiate between being dispossessed and pass not finding opponent. The way you kept quoting "Amrabat lost possession 9 times" as if 9 of Jorginho passes do not go astray per game. You then used poetic licence to frame it as "losing possession" in dangerous areas, even if he attempted a long pass and it got cut out

Amrabat was dispossessed 0.4 times per game in the World Cup on average, similar to Jorginho stats in EPL

Secondly in Serie A, Amrabat attempts more passes for Fiorentina than Jogginghoe does for Chelsea

We don't need a DM at 10/10 in passing. 8/10 is OK, while the other parts of his game are also 7-8/10

Unlike Jogginghoe whose passing is 10/10 against small teams, 5/10 against mid-teams and belleface back to sender against big teams with no risk taken at all. While Jogginghoes physical attributes are 1/10.

I pray Santos Visa is approved,cause we need his work rate badly,Potter just throw him in ,he can stop counter attacks and start one too

BlueMann:

This una Boehly Na Pablo Richie ooo...
He’s ready to buy all the players available

Ballzproblem2:
all of you barking Enzo is not worth that amount,we know, but we want to address Midfield issue,If we ignore am now same idiots we be barking like dogs ,the money no dey affect you ,my happiness is jorginho is finally leaving,no more hiding for that fraud

No be so you dey shout say Kukuruku and Fofana money is worth it to address problem at leftback and centreback? You done start another shout

Rational people believe if you spend £105m on DM, other areas will suffer,or you will need £2bln to complete a full team. DM job is to keep you competitive in the game, not to win you the game. There are many DMs that will keep you competitive for £30m

Well, it seems Boehly has come up with a convincing scheme to deceive UEFA that Chelsea are within FFP boundaries while splashing £1bln on players. Make we dey watch

Bohley na money miss road.

That guy is ready to sign Ronaldo for 300m

Ibime:
No be so you dey shout say Kukuruku and Fofana money is worth it to address problem at leftback and centreback? You done start another shout

Rational people believe if you spend £105m on DM, other areas will suffer,or you will need £2bln to complete a full team. DM job is to keep you competitive in the game, not to win you the game. There are many DMs that will keep you competitive for £30m

Well, it seems Boehly has come up with a convincing scheme to deceive UEFA that Chelsea are within FFP boundaries while splashing £1bln on players. Make we dey watch

I'm not saying he is worth it, I'm saying we need Midfielders like now ,hence desperate times calls for desperate measures,and if it is to trigger Enzo Fernandez clause,so be it ,see as casemeiro change man U Midfield set up ,is it worth paying that amount for a 30 years old? no ,is it necessary yes

andrewbaba44:
The guy is a proven seria A player ,he has good from his hellas Verona days ,any team that get him will be lucky

Most said same about our very own CSO!

raumdeuter:
How many of Chelsea CMs have more goals than Renato this season

You should ask how many CMs in other teams in the farmers league, have more goals than the useless Renato that never assisted anyone this season.

airmark:
You should ask how many CMs in other teams in the farmers league, have more goals than the useless Renato that never assisted anyone this season.

How many CM in your own team have more goals than Renato

Answer on a poster

swiz123:
I don't know why I think you are using cost to hide your concerns that Enzo's versatility could mean Jorgiboy continues as a DM for Chelsea.

Like I said before, Enzo will come and learn from Jorginho himself and perhaps take over from him soon.

You are projecting your insecurities on me and hoping Chelsea sign a CM to play alongside Jogginghoe rather than a DM to kick him out after 5 years without competition for his spot

Am I mad to agree with Chelsea paying £105m for a DM? You no know me before?

Ballzproblem2:
I'm not saying he is worth it, I'm saying we need Midfielders like now ,hence desperate times calls for desperate measures,and if it is to trigger Enzo Fernandez clause,so be it ,see as casemeiro change man U Midfield set up ,is it worth paying that amount for a 30 years old? no ,is it necessary yes

There is necessary spending and then there is just exorbitant insane spending. I am sure we can all come up with 50 reasons why it is 'necessary' to spend £300m on Mbappe but it doesn't mean you do it.

The likes of us were wondering why we spent over £130m on Fofana and Cucu in the summer when we have Levi Cowill, Dujon Sterling and Chalobah that can do a job. See where we are now.

And then you go on a tirade of calling those asking for responsible spending stupid and foolish.

Good player but why is it necessary to spend over £100m on Enzo when there are a ton of options?

donstan18:
Most Chelsea fans no dey reason atall.

Easily deceived.

Enzo is not worth that fee anyday anytime but that’s his buyout clause
Benfica chairman said they won’t sell him at all so the only option buyers have is activating his buyout clause

The same thing happened with Neymar when pSG activated his buy out clause ;Barca had no chance than to sell

Enzo is good but not worth that fee

Now I dare you to name 2 young CM who are better than him at that age without putting the price into consideration and are also in the shopping window

Ballzproblem2:
I'm not saying he is worth it, I'm saying we need Midfielders like now ,hence desperate times calls for desperate measures,and if it is to trigger Enzo Fernandez clause,so be it ,see as casemeiro change man U Midfield set up ,is it worth paying that amount for a 30 years old? no ,is it necessary yes

Copying other clubs spending obscene amount because it worked for them is no guarantee it will work out well for you

That's how VVD success convinced Manure to spend same money on Maguire, and Bayern to mumu themaelf for Hernandez, while Allison success convinced us to mumu ourself for Kepa. Same for Dembele, Coutinho, Griezmann, Joao Felix and Lukaku. The hardest mistake to undo is big mistake. It's best you try to scout well within reasonable sums than make big mistake. Spending £100m is no guarantee of success anymore than £40m, infact the failure rate is higher at the larger sums. Those are sums that wreck clubs for years. See dead Barka for example

Benfica chairman said they won’t sell Enzo at all this January so the only option of getting him is activating his buyout clause which in reality he is not worth

Enzo should be worth max 70 M and that would be due to his boosted performance at the WC

Many people here don’t seem to understand the meaning of buyout clause

nateevs:
I echo Ibime's view on this. Though I never followed him before the world cup, you need only 20 mins to know if someone has it or not for midfield play. The guy was a standout technical player, without being a world cup star.

Not sure if you saw this 50m recovery sprint to stop Mbappe against France. That for me was yet another moment that just highlighted his recovery pace and intelligence.

Ibime never followed him, you never did, certainly I did not. Not sure if anyone did.
As per Ibime's theory - never sign a player from the World Cup - James Rodriguez comes to mind.

Amrabaat is energetic, committed and I watched his 50m recovery run- I like that but he also gave the ball away in dangerous areas.

My concern is this - are you guys proposing the club buy this guy because he is on a cheap or because he is good enough. Is he the long term solution or a quick fix?

Forget all those half turns megedefegede Ibime mentioned, strikers have way better half turns, that's how they are sometimes able to beat their markers in tight spaces.

Ibime:
Copying other clubs spending obscene amount because it worked for them is no guarantee it will work out well for you

That's how VVD success convinced Manure to spend same money on Maguire, and Bayern to mumu themaelf for Hernandez, while Allison success convinced us to mumu ourself for Kepa. Same for Dembele, Coutinho, Griezmann, Joao Felix and Lukaku. The hardest mistake to undo is big mistake. It's best you try to scout well within reasonable sums than make big mistake. Spending £100m is no guarantee of success anymore than £40m, infact the failure rate is higher at the larger sums. Those are sums that wreck clubs for years. See dead Barka for example

is not about copying other clubs*sigh*, anyway make we see, don't think we will buy him,with ffp breathing down our neck, unless benfica agrees to other terms of payment if not

rejected by Newcastle, truly truly jorginho is finished,yet his foolish fans will tell you "football is not about scoring and assisting",then what does he do ,"he calm games". SMH

Enzo for $120million? Say what

nateevs:
There is necessary spending and then there is just exorbitant insane spending. I am sure we can all come up with 50 reasons why it is 'necessary' to spend £300m on Mbappe but it doesn't mean you do it.

The likes of us were wondering why we spent over £130m on Fofana and Cucu in the summer when we have Levi Cowill, Dujon Sterling and Chalobah that can do a job. See where we are now.

And then you go on a tirade of calling those asking for responsible spending stupid and foolish.

Good player but why is it necessary to spend over £100m on Enzo when there are a ton of options?

I agree with you on this one and I still don't understand how?
What was Tuchel and his crew smoking?

FBS:
Ibime never followed him, you never did, certainly I did not. Not sure if anyone did.
As per Ibime's theory - never sign a player from the World Cup - James Rodriguez comes to mind.

Amrabaat is energetic, committed and I watched his 50m recovery run- I like that but he also gave the ball away in dangerous areas.

My concern is this - are you guys proposing the club buy this guy because he is on a cheap or because he is good enough. Is he the long term solution or a quick fix?

Forget all those half turns megedefegede Ibime mentioned, strikers have way better half turns, that's how they are sometimes able to beat their markers in tight spaces.

Let the scouts go and their job having been given introduction at World Cup

The best way to scout a CM/DM is type in "their name vs" in YouTube and watch all their touches in a particular set of matches. This will tell you if they have the required technique. I did this for Amrabat vs Juventus and was satisfied. Following Bimffos set of posts, I will go and review more.

That's how you scout central midfielders as a layman rather than highlight reels which do not identify weaknesses. Using this method is how I saw Bakayoko was a fugazi and a danger to his own team, when everyone was hyping him here. A good central midfielder is summarized by the absence of his weaknesses, both technical, physical and positioning, and watching all actions in a game should give clearer picture.

Ballzproblem2:
rejected by Newcastle, truly truly jorginho is finished,yet his foolish fans will tell you "football is not about scoring and assisting",then what does he do ,"he calm games". SMH

"He doesn't have the mobility" to play in Newcastle midfield. What a whole Chelsea have been carrying for the last 5 years.

Ibime:
Let the scouts go and their job having been given introduction at World Cup

The best way to scout a CM/DM is type in "their name vs" in YouTube and watch all their touches in a particular set of matches. This will tell you if they have the required technique. I did this for Amrabat vs Juventus and was satisfied. Following Bimffos set of posts, I will go and review more.

That's how you scout central midfielders as a layman rather than highlight reels which do not identify weaknesses. Using this method is how I saw Bakayoko was a fugazi and a danger to his own team, when everyone was hyping him here. A good central midfielder is summarized by the absence of his weaknesses, both technical, physical and positioning, and watching all actions in a game should give clearer picture.

lol @fugazi but OK I get your point.
My question to you is this - would you sign a player solely based on youtube videos? Really?
I don't want the club to sign a DM who is just run run run (and I'm not saying Amrabaat is like that) but also with a great deal of finesse. That is what we are lacking right now.
imo we need 2 players in that position, not one.

Ibime:
"He doesn't have the mobility" to play in Newcastle midfield. What a whole Chelsea have been carrying for the last 5 years.

Kante has been shielding the fraud for long ,Kante go injury everything bust open , boehly and his group of analyst being wise knew that the dirty Brazilian is contributing absolutely nothing,God if no be from I for no take about frello, instead,Enzo.

But this Haaland na alien o. 20 goals in 14 matches!

How do we stop this guy from scoring against Chelsea?

FBS:
Ibime never followed him, you never did, certainly I did not. Not sure if anyone did.
As per Ibime's theory - never sign a player from the World Cup - James Rodriguez comes to mind.

Amrabaat is energetic, committed and I watched his 50m recovery run- I like that but he also gave the ball away in dangerous areas.

My concern is this - are you guys proposing the club buy this guy because he is on a cheap or because he is good enough. Is he the long term solution or a quick fix?

Forget all those half turns megedefegede Ibime mentioned, strikers have way better half turns, that's how they are sometimes able to beat their markers in tight spaces.

I am proposing him because in my opinion, he is good enough. All what Bimfo is putting together is highlights. 'He gave the ball away in dangerous positions' is highlighted arguments. How did this happen and in what circumstance?

Everybody gives the ball away. But what did he do after? This is absent from the analysis. Now that's what I want to see from my DM. Imagine what will happen if Jorghinho gave the ball away to Mbappe on the half way line against PSG?

The way I see it, Morocco did well at the WC but still had a team with some average (but well drilled) athletes who had tendencies to put their team mates in positions that led to giving the ball away. For me, what Amrabat showed was technique, positional awareness, creative advancement of play, recovery pace and solid defensive awareness. That's what I need from my DM.

Does the price play a part? Yes it does. Like I say, the focus has always got to be strategic squad building with strength in depth. £100m on Enzo and Jorginho as back up is not strength in depth. It's just stupid spending.

NinjaXmetahuman:
Chelsea fans long throa.ting for shining new thing.

What else is new?


Who spends 105 million on 21years old player?

How many 21years old player with that kind of price tag has actually done amazingly well?

They’ll never learn.

Fofana, Cucu, Fraudvertz and so on.

Smh!

raumdeuter:
How many CM in your own team have more goals than Renato

Answer on a poster

Are they playing in the same farmers league with the Psg's bibs washer?

Ibime:
Comparing Jorgjnho vs Bournemouth or Zagreb vs a Moroccan midfielder vs possession heavy teams like Portugal, Spain and Croatia is the height of comparing apples with oranges

Secondly learn to differentiate between being dispossessed and pass not finding opponent. The way you kept quoting "Amrabat lost possession 9 times" as if 9 of Jorginho passes do not go astray per game. You then used poetic licence to frame it as "losing possession" in dangerous areas, even if he attempted a long pass and it got cut out

Amrabat was dispossessed 0.4 times per game in the World Cup on average, similar to Jorginho stats in EPL

Secondly in Serie A, Amrabat attempts more passes for Fiorentina than Jogginghoe does for Chelsea

We don't need a DM at 10/10 in passing. 8/10 is OK, while the other parts of his game are also 7-8/10

Unlike Jogginghoe whose passing is 10/10 against small teams, 5/10 against mid-teams and belleface back to sender against big teams with no risk taken at all. While Jogginghoes physical attributes are 1/10.

How many times did Amrabat attempt long passes in the world cup that he is losing 9-11 passes in a match?

I watched him in 3 matches in the World cup and this guy was losing the ball at delicate areas. Opponents might not be able to disposes him, but he helps them by losing the ball. And Yes Nateevs was talking about what he does after losing the ball, but why are you losing the ball in a build up play. (When we are light at the back)

BTW, He doesn't attempt long passes in a match like Jorginho. So we can conclude that most of his lost passes are within short range.

I am not even arguing that with you, but another thing is I won't compare Seria A to EPL. It's worlds apart at the moment. That was how CSO deceived me that he shits on Rudiger statistically, until Aaronson started turning the weyrey like Amala.

The quality at the world cup can still be compared to the EPL. Not that nonsensical league called Seria A.

Seria A wey be sey we teach their champions lesson home and away.

Jorginho is washed and its a fact. But Amrabat is not the person to replace him.

nateevs:
I am proposing him because in my opinion, he is good enough. All what Bimfo is putting together is highlights. 'He gave the ball away in dangerous positions' is highlighted arguments. How did this happen and in what circumstance?
Everybody gives the ball away. But what did he do after? This is absent from the analysis. Now that's what I want to see from my DM. Imagine what will happen if Jorghinho gave the ball away to Mbappe on the half way line against PSG?

Agreed. I never access a player based on highlights or youtube vids and that's why I'm a little surprised.
The good highlights - like the 50m recovery run has been mentioned 50 times already. Question is what else did he do of note?
We can all (save 1 or 2 people) agree that Jogginhoe is a no no.

nateevs:
The way I see it, Morocco did well at the WC but still had a team with some average (but well drilled) athletes who had tendencies to put their team mates in positions that led to giving the ball away. For me, what Amrabat showed was technique, positional awareness, creative advancement of play, recovery pace and solid defensive awareness. That's what I need from my DM.

100%. I was very impressed with Morocco's performance and it's no fluke they came 4th. With a little bit of self-belief and skill, they might have even gone further. Based on the matches that I watched, yes Amrabaat has got recovery pace, what I am not yet convinced of is as you call it, creative advancement of play. I want to see some finesse in that aspect.

nateevs:
Does the price play a part? Yes it does. Like I say, the focus has always got to be strategic squad building with strength in depth. £100m on Enzo and Jorginho as back up is not strength in depth. It's just stupid spending.

The club is not going to spend £100m on Enzo unless there is something else to it.
Surely there has to be quality DMs, CMs, CDMs out there.
If it is going to be Amrabaat then we need 1 more player. Jogginhoe is not even good for backup. He is good enough if and when we are up by 5 goals which rarely happens so....

airmark:
Are they playing in the same farmers league with the Psg's bibs washer?

How many of your CM will start for PSG?