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So daily groceries - they can't - they have to wait for make or break monthly shopping. Look like your road network and your economy vibrancy needs lot of work.

jl115:
Yes I'm serious, there might be small tuck shops and convenience stores but not places where you can legit do a months shopping

rvp2018:
1. As for long argument - just go back to Kenya 10yrs ago - South Africa 10yrs ago - you answer lies there. Dont engage in maths your protein lacking body cannot digest. You rather hunt for wild pigs.

2.Anyway, economies grow fast when they figure out how to make people more productive. Literally the velocity of money is directly related to mobility directly related to growth in gdp.

3.You may want your rural population moving a lot faster and a lot more than they are doing so they can contribute. Economy is about exchanging money very fast. That is the trick. It's about efficiency and productivity. Produce more and efficiently exchange.

1. Not how growth projections work...but what ever makes you sleep at night

2. OK and? Some countries use more motorcycles than others, others use more public transport... Very simple

3. People live like that out of choice, those that don't move to the city

1) There is no formulae for any projection or prediction. Nobody can predict tomorrow. Tomorrow kenya might discover some crazy minerals and become very rich. And so may South Africa.

2) It goes without saying that motor cycles are more efficient than any public transport - at least as last mile. That is why they are catching fire in east africa and are crazy in Asia.

3) No they dont choose to be poor. They would love to own custom made sprinter like you and go everywhere anywhere.

South Africa gov has failed its poor by promoting elitist model of development. You're okay driving BMW 500C motor bike with your 5000CC SUV hunting. They are not okay.

And they will resort to killing, maiming, raping and robing you.

It upon you to realize you cannot continue like this - leaving millions poor and destitute - and declaring Malema a mad man.

jl115:
1. Not how growth projections work...but what ever makes you sleep at night

2. OK and? Some countries use more motorcycles than others, others use more public transport... Very simple

3. People live like that out of choice, those that don't move to the city

rvp2018:
So daily groceries - they can't - they have to wait for make or break monthly shopping. Look like your road network and your economy vibrancy needs lot of work.

Yes, and nothing to do with the road network, the fact that paved roads exists in such remote places is testament to our transport infrastructure which is ranked 33rd in the world.

My bru there are Kenyans that still need to hunt for food to survive that's how far away they are from any infrastructure in your country ....and you want to say that only being able to go to the shop once a month means our transport efficency needs work? You good bro?

I am telling your motor bikes have been revolution in kenya even amongst the few hunters and gatherers. That is why their numbers have shot from mere 6,000 in 2008 to now 2,500,000. What kind of growth is that. From 6K to 2.5m. EXPONENTIAL? Last year we added 0.35m bikes. This year I bet 0.4m. These motor bikes are transforming people lives..especially the poor.

In another two years - we will be adding a million annually - and hopefully we can get to even 15 million motor bikes - meaning at leasy one in every family by 2030.

jl115:
Yes, and nothing to do with the road network, the fact that paved roads exists in such remote places is testament to our transport infrastructure which is ranked 33rd in the world.

My bru there are Kenyans that still need to hunt for food to survive that's how far away they are from any infrastructure in your country ....and you want to say that only being able to go to the shop once a month means our transport efficency needs work? You good bro?

rvp2018:
1) There is no formulae for any projection or prediction. Nobody can predict tomorrow. Tomorrow kenya might discover some crazy minerals and become very rich. And so may South Africa.

2) It goes without saying that motor cycles are more efficient than any public transport - at least as last mile. That is why they are catching fire in east africa and are crazy in Asia.

3) No they dont choose to be poor. They would love to own custom made sprinter like you and go everywhere anywhere.

4. South Africa gov has failed its poor by promoting elitist model of development. You're okay driving BMW 500C motor bike with your 5000CC SUV hunting. They are not okay.

5. And they will resort to killing, maiming, raping and robing you.

6. It upon you to realize you cannot continue like this - leaving millions poor and destitute - and declaring Malema a mad man.

1. Another monumentally hypocritical statement from you, first you say Kenya Will overtake SA by 2030 100% now you say nobody can predict the future? So what is it then? How come you can predict the future but the IMF, WB, PWC can't?

2. They are also astronomically more dangerous, also no data to back up that claim wrt South Africa

3. Of course they would, I would love to own a bugatti.... Unfortunately the world don't work like that.

4. Cheap bikes are readily available, nobody is stopping people from buying them.

5. Cool story bru....

6. What's Kenya's excuse?

rvp2018:
I am telling your motor bikes have been revolution in kenya even amongst the few hunters and gatherers. That is why their numbers have shot from mere 6,000 in 2008 to now 2,500,000. What kind of growth is that. From 6K to 2.5m. EXPONENTIAL? Last year we added 0.35m bikes. This year I bet 0.4m. These motor bikes are transforming people lives..especially the poor.

In another two years - we will be adding a million annually - and hopefully we can get to even 15 million motor bikes - meaning at leasy one in every family by 2030.

that's all very nice

I always use the latin phrase ceteris paribus in my prediction.
South Africa have to think about it's income inequality beyond useless ANC BEE - or Malema dangerous rhetorics.
Motorbikes I insist is one such policy that should encourage south africa poor to become mobile.

Personally, I don't know how to drive a motorcycle - I ride bicycles sometimes - but I know the poor love them.

South Africa and other africa gov have to PRIORITIZE PRO POOR policies - from transport to finance to tourism to name it

jl115:
1. Another monumentally hypocritical statement from you, first you say Kenya Will overtake SA by 2030 100% now you say nobody can predict the future? So what is it then? How come you can predict the future but the IMF, WB, PWC can't?

2. They are also astronomically more dangerous, also no data to back up that claim wrt South Africa

3. Of course they wood, I would love to own a bugatti.... Unfortunately the world don't work like that.

4. Cheap bikes are readily available, nobody is stopping people from buying them.

5. Cool story bru....

6. What's Kenya's excuse?

rvp2018:
I always use the latin phrase ceteris paribus in my prediction.
South Africa have to think about it's income inequality beyond useless ANC BEE - or Malema dangerous rhetorics.
Motorbikes I insist is one such policy that should encourage south africa poor to become mobile.

Personally, I don't know how to drive a motorcycle - I ride bicycles sometimes - but I know the poor love them.

South Africa and other africa gov have to PRIORITIZE PRO POOR policies - from transport to finance to tourism to name it

I don't care about Latin America or how its similar to SA... I'm asking how can you say no one can predict the future except for you?

Bru... You are to fixated on motorcycle at the moment... There is absolutely 0 evidence to suggest that more motorcycles would make any difference in the SAn economy.

We don't need more pro poor policies, we need policies that create economic growth and job creation supported by a strong education system ... Very simple concept that most politicians don't understand

rvp2018:
Lot of wasted money here like Nigeria obundu ranch or even more ridiculous one in Calabr - with mono rail and all that.
Please dont create a zoo.
The nature has given you everything you need.
You cannot sustain a fake thing - with fake animals.

Ghana should focus it tourism along shores of altantic and then river volta.
The nature will sustain itself.

I lived in Uganda - and they are doing great job in tourims - building tourism resorts along the nile.

Not trying to create a fake river, fake animals.

Museveni simply invited foreign investors to build resorts along river nile ....they create things around existing .

For like 40kms of both banks of river nile in Jinja are resorts - and activities - build around existing ecosystem - dont try to create a fake ecosystem - it very expensive to recreate nature


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvwxGOic9i8


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SqBx85pvzb0


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8cQCB6uYSo&t=108s

Why are you screaming?

How did real animals become fake ? They have an entire valley to themselves surrounded by mountain ranges.

Ghana Tourism is mostly Cultural tourism, Eco tourism and Entertainment base. Beaching and things are almost free here
The Volta already has too many facilities around it

No wonder we make more from it than you guys

Do you consider the a million or a half million jobs created by motorcycle riders in kenya transporting people and goods economic growth and jobs?
https://metropoltv.co.ke/2022/03/14/how-greatly-boda-boda-riders-have-contributed-to-kenyas-gdp/

Or what is your idea of jobs. These motor cycle riders makes at average 10 dollars per day...that is 250 dollar a month if they work 25 days a month..

Most factory jobs dont pay 250 dollars a month. In Ethiopia they pay even 50 dollars a month - in some places - even 25 dollars.

And ask yourself how long will it take to create a million factory jobs ? Maybe 20yrs.

jl115:
I don't care about Latin America or how its similar to SA... I'm asking how can you say no one can predict the future except for you?

Bru... You are to fixated on motorcycle at the moment... There is absolutely 0 evidence to suggest that more motorcycles would make any difference in the SAn economy.

We don't need more pro poor policies, we need policies that create economic growth and job creation supported by a strong education system ... Very simple concept that most politicians don't understand

jl115:
That why I included a link...everything you want to know including how the rankings were formulated are on the link

Also facts don't care about your feelings

What part of a “legitimate description on their fact collecting method along with the algorithm they choose to run them through”. don’t you understand Troglodyte? You know I hate repeating myself.

Absolutely none of the requirements I asked for was in the link you provided clown try again; but this time without your clown nose please.

rvp2018:
I am telling your motor bikes have been revolution in kenya even amongst the few hunters and gatherers. That is why their numbers have shot from mere 6,000 in 2008 to now 2,500,000. What kind of growth is that. From 6K to 2.5m. EXPONENTIAL? Last year we added 0.35m bikes. This year I bet 0.4m. These motor bikes are transforming people lives..especially the poor.

In another two years - we will be adding a million annually - and hopefully we can get to even 15 million motor bikes - meaning at leasy one in every family by 2030.

same way south Africa has added over 7 million new cars over the same period since 2008

AfriqueDuZuid:
same way south Africa has added over 7 million new cars over the same period since 2008

That roughy translate to double or twice while Kenya motorcycle industry has grown by 400 times.

Just30:
Why are you screaming?

How did real animals become fake ? They have an entire valley to themselves surrounded by mountain ranges.

Ghana Tourism is mostly Cultural tourism, Eco tourism and Entertainment base. Beaching and things are almost free here
The Volta already has too many facilities around it

No wonder we make more from it than you guys

They imported animals that don't live in their natural habitat. You certainly don't make more than Kenya... maybe you need to check your methodology of valuing tourism..every country has its own way.Most west African tourism are diaspora returning to visit home annually

https://www.worlddata.info/africa/ghana/tourism.php Ghana count every visit of non resident of more than a night as tourist while in Kenya you have to indicate you're tourist in arrival form and actually sleep in a hotel.We excluded those coming for business or say conferences or etc.https://www.worlddata.info/africa/kenya/tourism.php Ghana end up counting mostly it's returning diaspora as tourist. The real tourists are very very few just like Nigeria... seeing a typical white tourist in both countries is rare

rvp2018:
Do you consider the a million or a half million jobs created by motorcycle riders in kenya transporting people and goods economic growth and jobs?
https://metropoltv.co.ke/2022/03/14/how-greatly-boda-boda-riders-have-contributed-to-kenyas-gdp/

Or what is your idea of jobs. These motor cycle riders makes at average 10 dollars per day...that is 250 dollar a month if they work 25 days a month..

Most factory jobs dont pay 250 dollars a month. In Ethiopia they pay even 50 dollars a month - in some places - even 25 dollars.

And ask yourself how long will it take to create a million factory jobs ? Maybe 20yrs.

why are you avoiding answering my questions?

And again, there is no evidence that motorcycles will increase economic activity in a country such as SA with a huge road network and massive public transport industry.

rvp20182:
That roughy translate to double or twice while Kenya motorcycle industry has grown by 400 times.

That's is new cars to the roads, supporting of our own automative industry.

We build, we buy.

Cars, taxis and buses are backbone of the economy.... While mining is decline.... Services are on the rise

AskiaHarem:
What part of a “legitimate description on their fact collecting method along with the algorithm they choose to run them through”. don’t you understand Troglodyte? You know I hate repeating myself.

Absolutely none of the requirements I asked for was in the link you provided clown try again; but this time without your clown nose please.

then you never even clicked on the link...besides the economist impact is a well known and reputable organisation on the subject, I don't have to post their collecting methods, the onus is on you to do so if you disagree with their ranking.

The above is just you Typically trying to dismiss the facts because it hurts your feelings

AfriqueDuZuid:
That's is new cars to the roads, supporting of our own automative industry.

We build, we buy.

Cars, taxis and buses are backbone of the economy.... While mining is decline.... Services are on the rise

it's impressive but you didn't get argument.Motor bikes compliment.Its doesn't replace cars. It serves a market you currently don't serve...well.14 million cars in country of 60m...is middle class.. developed countries do 3 times..you do half million sales..they do 1.5m..you need at short term to also build motorcycle industry to serve the underserved

jl115:
why are you avoiding answering my questions?

And again, there is no evidence that motorcycles will increase economic activity in a country such as SA with a huge road network and massive public transport industry.

You need a peer reviewed academic paper demonstrating the obvious benefits of vehicles.You may have roads but you don't have enough vehicles for them.. enough to serve your transportation needs..if you did..you won't be trapped in middle class but would be accelerating to becoming a developed country

rvp20182:
You need a peer reviewed academic paper demonstrating the obvious benefits of vehicles.You may have roads but you don't have enough vehicles for them.. enough to serve your transportation needs..if you did..you won't be trapped in middle class but would be accelerating to becoming a developed country

where is your evidence that our economy is not growing because we don't have motorcycles?........ We just going to ignore the real problem which is corruption and Eskom?

rvp20182:
it's impressive but you didn't get argument.Motor bikes compliment.Its doesn't replace cars. It serves a market you currently don't serve...well.14 million cars in country of 60m...is middle class.. developed countries do 3 times..you do half million sales..they do 1.5m..you need at short term to also build motorcycle industry to serve the underserved

Where do you get that SA has 14 million cars? Which year?

What's your source?

South Africa is a newly industrialised nation, its not a developed nor is it a developing, who you comparing SA to when you say they do 1.5m cars.

Which report ever said Motobikes developed East Asian countries?

rvp20182:
They imported animals that don't live in their natural habitat. You certainly don't make more than Kenya... maybe you need to check your methodology of valuing tourism..every country has its own way.Most west African tourism are diaspora returning to visit home annually

so? They brought animals that can naturally adapt to the environment they are putting them in.

Yeah... When Kenya can't compete, the person method must be wrong.

There's just one definition for who a tourist is

This is the only things motorcycle should be used for and not for public transportation means.
#joyriding

Nigeria 2023 Federal budget of 50 billion Dollars

https://www.thisdaylive.com/index.php/2022/12/29/nassembly-passes-2023-budget-raises-proposed-spending-by-n1-32trn-to-n21-82trn/amp/

I know subliminally you blame the black ANC for South Africa mess. South Africa can grow as fast it did before but is that growth broad base; or you'll have 10% white population owning 90% of the country wealth.

We don't just need growth - we need a broad-based growth that lift many out of poverty by creating jobs and improving well-being of everyone including poor rural south africans who need motorbikes like yesterday.

Again refer to LATAM versus East Asia.

jl115:
where is your evidence that our economy is not growing because we don't have motorcycles?........ We just going to ignore the real problem which is corruption and Eskom?

Actually, it's less than that - maybe 13.5m now.
https://www.natis.gov.za/index.php/statistics/live-vehicle-population/live-vehicle-population-2021

Typical car ownership increase "rapidly" when GDP per capita hits 5,000usd.
Kenya is at least a decade from growing a motor vehicle industry.
For now Kenya should concentrate on motor cyles.

As for South Africa is upper middle class or simply middle class - indeed it's neither develop or developing - it can barely sell 0.5M car - Italy with same pop of 60m - does 1.5m cars annually. That difference btw middle-class country and high-income country.

My worry is South Africa income inequality - esp for blacks like you - 85% in rural areas dont own any car. 40% of all cars are in Gauteng. Your rural folks need motor bikes - because frankly - they cant afford cars. That is why again 85% of them cannot afford and relie on wheelbarrows.

Dont sneer at motor bikes - again.

AfriqueDuZuid:
Where do you get that SA has 14 million cars? Which year?

What's your source?

South Africa is a newly industrialised nation, its not a developed nor is it a developing, who you comparing SA to when you say they do 1.5m cars.

Which report ever said Motobikes developed East Asian countries?

New Lagos Airport Terminal.

They must be drunk from all the festivities of the end year; I suggest you move budget making to mid-year You already have debt servicing exceed revenues; naira has issues; economy is sick; and instead of reducing the budget; they've doubled it? What magic will they use to finance it.

Shaytun:
Nigeria 2023 Federal budget of 50 billion Dollars the highest til date.

https://www.thisdaylive.com/index.php/2022/12/29/nassembly-passes-2023-budget-raises-proposed-spending-by-n1-32trn-to-n21-82trn/amp/

rvp2018:
I know subliminally you blame the black ANC for South Africa mess. South Africa can grow as fast it did before but is that growth broad base; or you'll have 10% white population owning 90% of the country wealth.

We don't just need growth - we need a broad-based growth that lift many out of poverty by creating jobs and improving well-being of everyone including poor rural south africans who need motorbikes like yesterday.

Again refer to LATAM versus East Asia.

I don't subliminally blame "black" ANC.... I 100% fully blame the ANC.

No evidence that motorcycles would lift SAns out of poverty..... What will 100% lift SA out of poverty is fixing Eskom(and expansion of IPPs) and implementing policies that will grow the economy and create jobs... Simple.

There is only one pro poor policy that actually works and that is the policy that creates jobs.... Minimum wage, BEE, AA ect ect don't work.

rvp2018:
Actually, it's less than that - maybe 13.5m now.
https://www.natis.gov.za/index.php/statistics/live-vehicle-population/live-vehicle-population-2021

Typical car ownership increase "rapidly" when GDP per capita hits 5,000usd.
Kenya is at least a decade from growing a motor vehicle industry.
For now Kenya should concentrate on motor cyles.

As for South Africa is upper middle class or simply middle class - indeed it's neither develop or developing - it can barely sell 0.5M car - Italy with same pop of 60m - does 1.5m cars annually. That difference btw middle-class country and high-income country.

My worry is South Africa income inequality - esp for blacks like you - 85% in rural areas dont own any car. 40% of all cars are in Gauteng. Your rural folks need motor bikes - because frankly - they cant afford cars. That is why again 85% of them cannot afford and relie on wheelbarrows.

Dont sneer at motor bikes - again.

rural South Africans don't need motorcycle like I explained, it will be a waste of money