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Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by Obaaderemi2: 9:28am On Jan 02, 2023
rvp2018:
Show started as Celtel Africa Challenge in 2007 - The inaugural Celtel Africa Challenge ended in a photo finish with Egerton University beating Kenyatta - both are kenyan universities
2008 - kenya won - all kenyan final
Zain (Kuwait telcom) bought Celtel from the Sudan-Briton Mo Ibraham.
2009 - Ibandan won - with kenya second
2010 - kenya won - all kenyan final

Bharti Airtel (india) buys Zain Africa - and stop the shows in 2011 .

It was really embarrassing for 16 africa teams to always have kenya teams from quartes - all kenya quarters/ semi finals/ finals.

The gulf btw kenya education and Sub Sahara Africa is HUGE
Ibadan never took part until 2009 when they came to Kenya and won it on Kenyan soil with your students left holding the empty bag. 720 to 610 is a big margin. The following year Ibadan relaxed and didn't do well. After that the show didn't go on. If it had continued where would you have been?
Besides it was more or less a show for Kenyans. It was hosted in Kenya and the moderator throughout the years was a Kenyan. grin
Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by rvp2018: 9:31am On Jan 02, 2023
Typical Nigerian. Lame excuse after lame excuse.
Obaaderemi2:
Ibadan never took part until 2009 when they came to Kenya and won it on Kenyan soil with your students left holding the empty bag. 720 to 610 is a big margin. The following year Ibadan relaxed and didn't do well. After that the show didn't go on. If it had continued where would you have been?
Besides it was more or less a show for Kenyans. It was hosted in Kenya and the moderator throughout the years was a Kenyan. grin
Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by Just30: 9:37am On Jan 02, 2023
rvp2018:
https://www.kensap.org/harvard-college

KenSAP helps high-achieving, low-income Kenyan high school graduates gain admission to the most selective colleges and universities in North America, all with full financial aid. Since its founding in 2004, the organization has placed 259 students at the institutions listed below.

259 ADMISSIONS
Harvard (25), Yale (16), Princeton (13), U. Penn (13), Brown (11), Middlebury (11), Amherst (9), Cornell (9), Dartmouth (cool, Williams (cool, Bowdoin (6), Tufts (6), Wesleyan (6), Lehigh (6), MIT (6), Smith (6), Stanford (6), Colby (5), Hamilton (5), Northwestern (5), Brandeis (4), Duke (4), Bates (4), Davidson (4), Bryn Mawr (3), Columbia (3), U. Toronto (3), Barnard (2), Haverford (2), Kenyon (2), Mt. Holyoke (2), Pomona (2), St. Lawrence (2), Swarthmore (2), Vassar (2), Carleton (1), Connecticut Col. (1), Gettysburg (1), Johns Hopkins (1), Macalester (1), McGill (1), Michigan State (1), NYU (1), Oberlin (1), Rhodes (1), Rice (1), U. Chicago (1), U. Rochester (1), U. Wisconsin (1), Vanderbilt (1), Wellesley (1), Wooster (1)
so this is all you could send in the last 18years?
That will be like a single year admission from Ghana.

I'm more interested in the courses they studied
If it was to go and do Athletic, dance and music like all these Kenyans you listed, like Ghana will not waste time and money on those schools grin grin

The US embassy issued 7,000 student visas to Ghanaians in 2022 compare to 4916 in 2021.. 1,150 were for ivy league schools in 2022
Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by Obaaderemi2: 9:37am On Jan 02, 2023
rvp2018:
What is the basis of this claim?
The basis is what I'm going to destroy you with next. grin

Nigeria too is quite wanting in terms of science education when put on the international stage but Kenya is virtually and literally non-existent.
Let me give you records from the International Mathematics Olympiad, the oldest of the science olympiads...


Nigeria 5 bronze medals..(poor) 16 honourable Mentions


Kenya 0 bronze medal ( shameful) 0 honourable Mentions

Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by Just30: 9:37am On Jan 02, 2023
Obaaderemi2:
grin
Kenyans are not good at science subjects.
definitely not grin grin
Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by Obaaderemi2:
rvp2018:
Typical Nigerian. Lame excuse after lame excuse.
Is it false? For example there's a reason why FIFA would never let a French referee officiate a match between France and Germany. wink And for the same reason the international science olympiads are hosted by a different country each year.

In spite of that Ibadan still beat you along with your home advantage and your countryman moderator.

All of una alupo. grin
Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by Obaaderemi2: 9:52am On Jan 02, 2023
Just30:
definitely not grin grin
Kenyans study stuff like sociology and African dance abroad. grin
Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by Just30: 10:09am On Jan 02, 2023
Obaaderemi2:
Kenyans study stuff like sociology and African dance abroad. grin
grin grin

The most useless thing to pay money to go and study, worse of all, going to university for just sports.
Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by vaxx: 10:53am On Jan 02, 2023
rvp2018:
You and fellow madman keep ranting on and on. What sold you out is the allegation s/he was doing medicine in harvard as undergrad.

If he or she is in harvard - cant be studying anything pre-med or med before s/he get a first degree

https://extension.harvard.edu/academics/programs/premedical-program/#content-1
You are eligible to apply if you meet the following criteria:

Have completed a bachelor’s degree from an accredited institution.
Are a US citizen or permanent resident.
Have English language proficiency.
You are a scumbag , dishonesty is affecting you. Where have I mentioned that the girl is undergoing an undergraduate medicine program in USA. I only mentioned that she was admitted to run premedic program, the fastest possible way of gaining full admission into medicine program in the usa. She actually don't need an undergraduate related degree like biological sciences or chemistry as you are insinuating absurdly.
Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by Mkenya2019: 10:54am On Jan 02, 2023
Nigeria started participating in 2006; Kenya 2016; how can you compare the two?
Obaaderemi2:
The basis is what I'm going to destroy you with next. grin

Nigeria too is quite wanting in terms of science education when put on the international stage but Kenya is virtually and literally non-existent.
Let me give you records from the International Mathematics Olympiad, the oldest of the science olympiads...


Nigeria 5 bronze medals..(poor) 16 honourable Mentions


Kenya 0 bronze medal ( shameful) 0 honourable Mentions
Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by Mkenya2019: 10:56am On Jan 02, 2023
You're still lying. Pre-med in US can only happen after she get a bachelors. All she has done is pre-foundation - communication 101 - to improve her Ghana horrible writting skills - before she begin her bachelors. If she want to do medicine - she will start with degree in biology or chemistry.
vaxx:
You are a scumbag , dishonesty is affecting you. Where have I mentioned that the girl is undergoing am undergraduate medicine program in USA. I only mentioned that she was admitted to run premedic program, the fastest possible way of gaining full admission into medicine program in the usa. She actually don't need an undergraduate related degree like biological sciences or chemistry as you are insinuating absurdly.
Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by Mkenya2019: 10:59am On Jan 02, 2023
Kenya use to do 7,000 kids per annum in 2002 - that 20yrs ago - but we have built 87 universities - and we only send to IVY league.


Number of Kenyan students in the US declines sharply over a decade
Trump administration said to have declined to approve visa applications.
In Summary
• From an all-time high of about 7,000 Kenyan students in 2002, the number now stood at 3,710 students in 2020.

• Nigeria tops in the African continent with a total of 13,762 students enrolled in US colleges and universities.
https://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2021-07-16-number-of-kenyan-students-in-the-us-declines-sharply-over-a-decade/

Now madcow - please show a single evidence that you have send 1,150 ivy league kids in the USA. China and India would kill for such numbers.

Just30:
so this is all you could send in the last 18years?
That will be like a single year admission from Ghana.

I'm more interested in the courses they studied
If it was to go and do Athletic, dance and music like all these Kenyans you listed, like Ghana will not waste time and money on those schools grin grin

The US embassy issued 7,000 student visas to Ghanaians in 2022 compare to 4916 in 2021.. 1,150 were for ivy league schools in 2022
Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by vaxx: 10:59am On Jan 02, 2023
rvp2018:
Kenya has 87 universities. Again Nigeria the main zoo represent the small zoo in west africa. Stop struggling to compete with big countries.

Kenya public sector education.

Ruto said that there are 32,594 primary schools, 10,482 secondary schools, 12 national polytechnics, 259 technical and vocational training institutions and 87 universities which shows progress in improving academic standards in the country.
what are you saying ? Times higher education ( the leading university ranking institution) ranks UCC ( Ghana) ahead of any kenya unis. When we run per head differences, Ghana has more universities than kenya ( when we include private institution at tertiary level
Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by Mkenya2019: 11:00am On Jan 02, 2023
Small country shenagians. I am sure we will see that random Times Higher education story for next 10yrs. The Top 10 ranking in Africa amongst many rankings - doesnt include any in Ghana. Nairobi sits normally at no 9 - in Africa - with 5 solids south african universities, Cairo, Makerere and such.

vaxx:
what are you saying ? Times higher education ( the leading university ranking institution) ranks UCC ( Ghana) ahead of any kenya unis. When we run per head differences, Ghana has more universities than kenya ( when we include private institution at tertiary level
Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by Mkenya2019: 11:03am On Jan 02, 2023
Then you relaxed in 2010. Continue relaxing.
Obaaderemi2:
Is it false? For example there's a reason why FIFA would never let a French referee officiate a match between France and Germany. wink And for the same reason the international science olympiads are hosted by a different country each year.

In spite of that Ibadan still beat you along with your home advantage and your countryman moderator.

All of una alupo. grin
Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by Obaaderemi2: 11:05am On Jan 02, 2023
Mkenya2019:
Nigeria started participating in 2006; Kenya 2016; how can you compare the two?
You've participated about 6 times and have won nothing, not even a single honourable Mention. This is Ghana that participated for the first time in 2014...

Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by Mkenya2019: 11:15am On Jan 02, 2023
First who participate? It appears to be Kenya Form 4 kids versus Form six kids in Nigeria and Ghana. Kenya do 4yr degree program because 1st year is advanced secondary curriculum in our 8-4-4 system. Most of you are stuck in British system.

This why you need proper assessment like TIMSS, PISA, SACMEQ - not any crap you collect online then use it to compare countries.

Obaaderemi2:
You've participated about 6 times and have won nothing, not even a single honourable Mention. This is Ghana that participated for the first time in 2014...
Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by Obaaderemi2: 11:18am On Jan 02, 2023
Mkenya2019:
First who participate? It appears to be Kenya Form 4 kids versus Form six kids in Nigeria and Ghana. Kenya do 4yr degree program because 1st year is advanced secondary curriculum in our 8-4-4 system.

This why you need proper assessment like TIMSS, PISA, SACMEQ - not any crap you collect online then use it to compare countries.
International Mathematics Olympiad is crap? grin grin
Don't be an idiot. Those who qualified are those who represented the countries. If your form six kids do not qualify it proves what we've always said here. Kenyans are poor in education especially science. wink
Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by Mkenya2019: 11:19am On Jan 02, 2023
We dont have form six kids. We dont do senior high school.

If you're interested in real comparison - try something like TIMSS

IEA’s TIMSS 2019 is the seventh assessment cycle of TIMSS, the Trends in International Mathematics and Science Study. TIMSS 2019 was conducted at the fourth and eighth grades in 64 countries and 8 benchmarking systems. Inaugurated in 1995, TIMSS has been conducted every four years since, providing 24 years of trends in mathematics and science achievement.

Obaaderemi2:
Don't be an idiot. Those who qualified are those who represented the countries. If your form six kids do not qualify it proves what we've always said here. Kenyans are poor in education especially science. wink
Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by Just30: 11:23am On Jan 02, 2023
Mkenya2019:
You're still lying. Pre-med in US can only happen after she get a bachelors. All she has done is pre-foundation - communication 101 - to improve her Ghana horrible writting skills - before she begin her bachelors. If she want to do medicine - she will start with degree in biology or chemistry.
yet she gained admission for it just like all the other student at 15,16 and 17 years old kids who gain admission to it without a degree.

You seem to think certain things are cast in stone grin
Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by Mkenya2019: 11:24am On Jan 02, 2023
I think you're a mad man who invent facts on the way desperately trying to get ahead of online arguments.
Just30:
yet she gained admission for it just like all the other student at 15,16 and 17 years old kids who gain admission to it without a degree.

You seem to think certain things are cast in stone grin
Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by 68816419: 11:25am On Jan 02, 2023
Lagos Nigeria at Night + MMA2 New Terminal

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OcYbcT1Uv0M
Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by Just30: 11:27am On Jan 02, 2023
Mkenya2019:
Kenya use to do 7,000 kids per annum in 2002 - that 20yrs ago - but we have built 87 universities - and we only send to IVY league.


Number of Kenyan students in the US declines sharply over a decade
Trump administration said to have declined to approve visa applications.
In Summary
• From an all-time high of about 7,000 Kenyan students in 2002, the number now stood at 3,710 students in 2020.

• Nigeria tops in the African continent with a total of 13,762 students enrolled in US colleges and universities.
https://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2021-07-16-number-of-kenyan-students-in-the-us-declines-sharply-over-a-decade/

Now madcow - please show a single evidence that you have send 1,150 ivy league kids in the USA. China and India would kill for such numbers.
grin grin

As usual, dishonesty in argument.

Kenyans are just not rich enough to send their kids to prestigious unis to pursue top level programs and participate in global R & D.

Ghana comes third on the continent with the most students offered offered entry into the US to pursue their education.

The fact that Kenyan kids to have the brains to hack it doesn't mean everyone doesn't.
China and India have far more than that
Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by Obaaderemi2: 11:29am On Jan 02, 2023
Mkenya2019:
We dont have form six kids. We dont do senior high school.

If you're interested in real comparison - try something like TIMSS

IEA’s TIMSS 2019 is the seventh assessment cycle of TIMSS, the Trends in International Mathematics and Science Study. TIMSS 2019 was conducted at the fourth and eighth grades in 64 countries and 8 benchmarking systems. Inaugurated in 1995, TIMSS has been conducted every four years since, providing 24 years of trends in mathematics and science achievement.
Don't be silly. Your form 4 is equivalent to form 6 in Nigeria. You spend 8 years in primary school. We spend 6. grin

You people are poor in science. Period. grin
Show us Kenya's results from TIMMS, let's see.
Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by vaxx: 11:29am On Jan 02, 2023
Mkenya2019:
You're still lying. Pre-med in US can only happen after she get a bachelors. All she has done is pre-foundation - communication 101 - to improve her Ghana horrible writting skills - before she begin her bachelors. If she want to do medicine - she will start with degree in biology or chemistry.
You be mumu, medicine program in the usa at graduate level doesn't necessarily need to be related with the undergraduate program. Infact a business administration graduate can apply. But once you are admitted to run pre medic program , you have chosen a shorter part .

Listen for the last time, she was admitted to run pre medic program to qualify for her to get a direct admission into usa medicine degree program,assumption is incorrect. She is in pre-med program, deemed a prestigious pathway for students definitive about medicine. Now . she is assured of transitioning directly into Harvard medical school. Thru pre-med programs, She will be given opportunities to take classes and research at the medical school.
Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by Just30: 11:30am On Jan 02, 2023
Mkenya2019:
I think you're a mad man who invent facts on the way desperately trying to get ahead of online arguments.
lunatic at it again

These are all well documented things easily verified.

When you lose an arguments you start acting like a KG kid with no boundaries grin

If you want I can show you evidence of it... I thought these were public knowledge that should be easy for you to find
Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by Obaaderemi2: 11:31am On Jan 02, 2023
International Physics Olympiad

Nigeria 3 bronze medals. Honourable Mentions 5


Kenya zero. zero. zero. as usual grin grin grin

Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by vaxx: 11:32am On Jan 02, 2023
Mkenya2019:
Small country shenagians. I am sure we will see that random Times Higher education story for next 10yrs. The Top 10 ranking in Africa amongst many rankings - doesnt include any in Ghana. Nairobi sits normally at no 9 - in Africa - with 5 solids south african universities, Cairo, Makerere and such.
You are an idiot , Uni of Ghana was sitting at 7 position in some years back and many other notable institution have been ranking UG and other Ghanaian institution higher.
Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by Mkenya2019: 11:40am On Jan 02, 2023
She wasn't exempted from learning communication 101 and introduction to calculus 101 but somehow will be exempted to study pre-med.
Medicine degree in the US is not a joke.

1.Complete an undergraduate education:
Unlike Uk medicine study, USA medical studies require completion of four years of undergraduate study. The study includes a pre-medical school course and obtaining a bachelor’s degree in in a relevant subject. For example, a degree in Biology, Chemistry or Neuroscienceز

2. Pass the MCAT examination:
MCAT is a standardized and multiple-choice exam for students assessing their likelihood of success in their program. In order to start your medical career in the US, you must register with the Medical College Admission for the MCAT test. Common subjects in this exam are chemistry, biological studies, physics, and human genetics.


3. Apply to medical school:
Students can apply to US medical school during the summer after their junior year in college. You can take a year off before applying if you want. Most medical schools in the US use the application processing service (AMCAS) of the American Medical Colleges. International students choose their preferred medical schools and submit a single application to AMCAS, which distributes it to each institution.

4. Complete training at medical school:
The medical school in the US includes classroom-based instruction in the sciences and clinical rotations. It is a full-time study that takes 4 years duration besides the bachelor’s degree.

5. Pass parts I & II of the United States Medical Licensing Examination (UNMLE):
vaxx:
You be mumu, medicine program in the usa at graduate level doesn't necessarily need to be related with the undergraduate program. Infact a business administration graduate can apply. But once you are admitted to run pre medic program , you have chosen a shorter part .

Listen for the last time, she was admitted to run pre medic program to qualify for her to get a direct admission into usa medicine degree program,assumption is incorrect. She is in pre-med program, deemed a prestigious pathway for students definitive about medicine. Now . she is assured of transitioning directly into Harvard medical school. Thru pre-med programs, She will be given opportunities to take classes and research at the medical school.
Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by Mkenya2019: 11:42am On Jan 02, 2023
One random rank one random year- small country shenanigans.
vaxx:
You are an idiot , Uni of Ghana was sitting at 7 position in some years back and many other notable institution have been ranking UG and other Ghanaian institution higher.
Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by Just30: 11:44am On Jan 02, 2023
vaxx:
You are an idiot , Uni of Ghana was sitting at 7 position in some years back and many other notable institution have been ranking UG and other Ghanaian institution higher.
you're wasting your time
He should read how the research done at UCC influence global development

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