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Re: God And Jesus Are Not The Same Or Equal. by tctrills: 10:25am On Jan 21, 2023

TruthHurts100:
You refused to acknowledge the scripture I quoted sir.

But I will respond to yours. Everlasting father. Hmmmm, Adam was supposed to earn that title but he failed. Jesus is the new Adam, the one that always obey his creator. So, Jesus is our Everlasting father, who was created also by God, who he said is greater than he is.

How far?

That scripture you quoter also referred to Jesus as the Mighty Father. Mighty father and Almighty Father are not the same. And nowhere in the Bible was Jesus referred to as Almighty. Never.

He was created, so, he can never be equal to his creator. Àbi? Table and carpenter na equal?

1. I asked you to explain why you think your translation is correct.

2. It's clearly your opinion that Adam was to be the Everlasting Father. The Bible never indicated such.

3. An Everlasting being has no beginning or end. Or how else would you define everlasting?

Re: God And Jesus Are Not The Same Or Equal. by MaxInDHouse(m): 2:01pm On Jan 21, 2023

Ken4Christ:
What is second death?

Lake of Fire! Revelations 20:14

Re: God And Jesus Are Not The Same Or Equal. by TruthHurts100(op): 2:14pm On Jan 21, 2023

tctrills:
1. I asked you to explain why you think your translation is correct.

2. It's clearly your opinion that Adam was to be the Everlasting Father. The Bible never indicated such.

3. An Everlasting being has no beginning or end. Or how else would you define everlasting?

It's not my translation but other translationS. The translationS I use don't contradict.

Jesus was referred to as everlasting or eternal father for this reason. A father brings a child to life or we can say gives life to a child. Adam was our eternal father, but instead of giving us life, he gave us sin, sickness and death. Jesus is the Last Adam 1 Corinthians 15:45. He is the one that has given us life by given up his own for us. And the life he's given us will give us the opportunity to live eternally.

To your third point, Him being an everlasting father doesn't mean he has no beginning, it means he's a life giving spirit that cannot have an end. And it's only his father that has given him all these powers and privileges.

Re: God And Jesus Are Not The Same Or Equal. by tctrills: 2:38pm On Jan 21, 2023

TruthHurts100:
It's not my translation but other translationS. The translationS I use don't contradict.

Jesus was referred to as everlasting or eternal father for this reason. A father brings a child to life or we can say gives life to a child. Adam was our eternal father, but instead of giving us life, he gave us sin, sickness and death. Jesus is the Last Adam 1 Corinthians 15:45. He is the one that has given us life by given up his own for us. And the life he's given us will give us the opportunity to live eternally.

To your third point, Him being an everlasting father doesn't mean he has no beginning, it means he's a life giving spirit that cannot have an end. And it's only his father that has given him all these powers and privileges.

1. You still have not proved that you are using the right translation.

2. Oga you said Adam is your eternal father? Please explain what made Adam an eternal father. Who is an eternal Father.

3. Yes we know Jesus Christ is the Last Adam but still explain how Adam was your eternal father.
5. Yes a father gives you life or brings you to life, but what is the difference between a father and an eternal father.

6. Oga please anything that is everlasting has no beginning or end.

7. I am still waiting for you to use the bible and not your own opinion to show that Adam was our eternal father.

Re: God And Jesus Are Not The Same Or Equal. by Ken4Christ: 4:12pm On Jan 21, 2023

MaxInDHouse:
Lake of Fire! Revelations 20:14

You scored F9. You need to enroll in a proper Bible study program. Not the one you got from JW aka professional liars.

Re: God And Jesus Are Not The Same Or Equal. by TruthHurts100(op): 5:03pm On Jan 21, 2023

tctrills:
1. You still have not proved that you are using the right translation.

2. Oga you said Adam is your eternal father? Please explain what made Adam an eternal father. Who is an eternal Father.

3. Yes we know Jesus Christ is the Last Adam but still explain how Adam was your eternal father.
5. Yes a father gives you life or brings you to life, but what is the difference between a father and an eternal father.

6. Oga please anything that is everlasting has no beginning or end.

7. I am still waiting for you to use the bible and not your own opinion to show that Adam was our eternal father.

I can't waste my time. Everything you're asking is what I've explained. If that is not enough, you don't need to accept anything from me.

But your eternal father said on uncountable times that he has a father that is greater than he is. This nullifies any idea of equality between a creation and his creator.

Selah.

Re: God And Jesus Are Not The Same Or Equal. by tctrills: 5:17pm On Jan 21, 2023

TruthHurts100:
I can't waste my time. Everything you're asking is what I've explained. If that is not enough, you don't need to accept anything from me.

But your eternal father said on uncountable times that he has a father that is greater than he is. This nullifies any idea of equality between a creation and his creator.

Selah.

Boss please with the bible, show that Adam used to be our Eternal father.
I love guys like you on Nairaland. You start like you have all the answers and you know everything. You ended your post with "bring it on" like a boastful wrestler.
I was hoping you would have at least a few answer.
Most of you on Nairaland are the same, you post a talking point from your pastor and you get offended when you meet people with different opinions.
Mind you, I believe that the Father is greater than the son.

Re: God And Jesus Are Not The Same Or Equal. by TruthHurts100(op): 5:23pm On Jan 21, 2023

tctrills:
Boss please with the bible, show that Adam used to be our Eternal father.
I love guys like you on Nairaland. You start like you have all the answers and you know everything. You ended your post with "bring it on" like a boastful wrestler.
I was hoping you would have at least a few answer.
Most of you on Nairaland are the same, you post a talking point from your pastor and you get offended when you meet people with different opinions.
Mind you, I believe that the Father is greater than the son.

Sir, refer to all my responses, I've taken time to explain, I don't know if you are pretending not to see.

It's even a waste of time. You said your own eternal father was not created but he has a father abi? Abeg sir, I no get time.

Re: God And Jesus Are Not The Same Or Equal. by tctrills: 5:31pm On Jan 21, 2023

TruthHurts100:
Sir, refer to all my responses, I've taken time to explain, I don't know if you are pretending not to see.

It's even a waste of time. You said your own eternal father was not created but he has a father abi? Abeg sir, I no get time.

Oga let's be honest, you never answered any of my questions. It this is what you meant by bring it on, then anyone can post anything and claim he has answered all questions.

Rather than answer my questions you made claims you could not defend.
1. You said your bible translation is the correct one. I am still waiting for you to prove that.
2. You called Adam the dethroned everlasting Father. I asked how you came about that and you can't answer.
It's easy to type anything when you don't have to defend it.
I can as well tell you that heaven is in the Sahara desert.

Re: God And Jesus Are Not The Same Or Equal. by TruthHurts100(op): 6:04pm On Jan 21, 2023

tctrills:
Oga let's be honest, you never answered any of my questions. It this is what you meant by bring it on, then anyone can post anything and claim he has answered all questions.

Rather than answer my questions you made claims you could not defend.
1. You said your bible translation is the correct one. I am still waiting for you to prove that.
2. You called Adam the dethroned everlasting Father. I asked how you came about that and you can't answer.
It's easy to type anything when you don't have to defend it.
I can as well tell you that heaven is in the Sahara desert.

Re: God And Jesus Are Not The Same Or Equal. by MaxInDHouse(m): 6:38pm On Jan 21, 2023

Hell is Grave and Lake of Fire means SECOND DEATH!

Ken4Christ:
You scored F9. You need to enroll in a proper Bible study program. Not the one you got from JW aka professional liars.

Re: God And Jesus Are Not The Same Or Equal. by Ken4Christ: 11:11pm On Jan 21, 2023

MaxInDHouse:
Hell is Grave and Lake of Fire means SECOND DEATH!

But the beast and the false prophet that were cast in are still there after over 1,000 years.

Death is not a cessation of existence. The soul lives on after death. You have been brainwashed to believe that the moment you are dead, you are unconscious till resurrection day.

Jonah died but he could narrate what happened to him when his lifeless body was in the fish belly. His soul went to hell.

Jesus died but his soul went to hell. He defeated Satan and collected the keys of hell and death from him.

The rich man who despised Lazarus died and went to hell.

Abraham is physically dead but he saw the ministry of Jesus because he is alive in the realm of the spirit.

Abel was killed by Cain but his blood was still crying vengeance because he is alive in the realm of the spirit.

Those who were beheaded in the book of Revelation cried to God for vengeance. How could they cry if they were unconscious? It was their spirit that cried to God;

Revelation 6:9-12
9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the SOULS OF THEM THAT WERE SLAIN for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:

10 AND THEY CRIED WITH A LOUD VOICE, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?

11 AND WHITE ROBES WERE GIVEN UNTO EVERY ONE OF THEM; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.

The passage above affirms that the souls of those who died still lives on. And they are even clothed in white robes.

Re: God And Jesus Are Not The Same Or Equal. by MaxInDHouse(m): 6:36am On Jan 22, 2023

God told Adam that if he eats of the forbidden fruit he will die {Genesis 2:17} DEATH is the opposite of LIFE at death everything goes to oblivion {Ecclesiastes 9:5-10} nothing survives a living creature after death {Ecclesiastes 3:19-20} that's why it's reasonable to conclude that the terms used in the Bible book of Revelation aren't literal but symbolic.

Ken4Christ:
But the beast and the false prophet that were cast in are still there after over 1,000 years.

Death is not a cessation of existence. The soul lives on after death. You have been brainwashed to believe that the moment you are dead, you are unconscious till resurrection day.

Jonah died but he could narrate what happened to him when his lifeless body was in the fish belly. His soul went to hell.

Jesus died but his soul went to hell. He defeated Satan and collected the keys of hell and death from him.

The rich man who despised Lazarus died and went to hell.

Abraham is physically dead but he saw the ministry of Jesus because he is alive in the realm of the spirit.

Abel was killed by Cain but his blood was still crying vengeance because he is alive in the realm of the spirit.

Those who were beheaded in the book of Revelation cried to God for vengeance. How could they cry if they were unconscious? It was their spirit that cried to God;

Revelation 6:9-12
9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the SOULS OF THEM THAT WERE SLAIN for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:

10 AND THEY CRIED WITH A LOUD VOICE, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?

11 AND WHITE ROBES WERE GIVEN UNTO EVERY ONE OF THEM; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.

The passage above affirms that the souls of those who died still lives on. And they are even clothed in white robes.

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Re: God And Jesus Are Not The Same Or Equal. by orisa37: 11:17am On Jan 22, 2023

IN THE DAY AND WHEN AT WORK, THEY ARE DIFFERENT.
IN THE MORNING THAT'S AT DAWN AND IN THE EVENING AT REST AND HAVEST, THEY ARE ONE AND ONLY ONE.

Re: God And Jesus Are Not The Same Or Equal. by sonmvayina(m): 2:20pm On Jan 22, 2023

List 52 verses God is NOT a Man

1)Exod 20:2-3 "...NO OTHER gods..."
2)Num 23:19 "G-d is NOT a man..."
3)Dt 4:12 "...saw NO form, ONLY heard a voice"
4)Dt 4:35 "...there is NO OTHER besides Him"
5)Dt 4:39 "...there is NO OTHER"
6)Dt 6:13-14 "...(do not swear by the name of jesus)...
7)Dt 32:39 "...there is NO god with me..."
cool

1 Sam 2:2 "...there is NONE besides You..."
9)1 Sam 15:29 "...He is NOT a MAN..."
10)1 Ki 8:27 "Would G-d DWELL on the EARTH?..."
11)1 Ki 8:60 "...there IS no one else"
12)2 Ki 19:19 "...you are the L-rd G-d, You ONLY"
13)Isa 40:18 "...(G-d will not allow Himself a human likeness)..."
14)Isa 40:25 "...that I should be ANYones equal..."
15)Isa 42:8 "...My Glory I will NOT share..."
16)Isa 43:10-11 "...no one before OR AFTER Me..."
17)Isa 44:6 "...I Am the First and Last, besides me there IS no other"
18)Isa 44:24 "...(jesus was NOT in the beginning with G-d)..."
19)Isa 45:5-6 "...no god besides Me..."
20)Isa 45:18 "...I Am The L-rd and there IS no one else"
21)Isa 45:21-22 "...(again, no room for jesus in the beginning).."
22)Isa 46:5 "...(jesus is not a human form of G-d)..."
23)Isa 46:9 "...there IS NO-ONE like Me"
24)Isa 48:11 "...I will NOT give my glory to another"
25)Isa 48:12 "...(again, no mention of jesus)..."
26)Hos 13:4 "...there IS no Savior besides Me"
27)Joel 2:27 "...(only G-d, no partner)..."
28)Psa 73:25 "...(King David declaring G-d is G-d ALONE)..."
29)Psa 146:3 "Do NOT put your trust in princes or the son of man..."
30)Neh 9:6 "...(no mention of a helper)..."
31)1 Chr 17:20 "...NO other G-d..."
32) Ex 34:14 "...(bow to NO-ONE but G-d!)..."
33) Deu 32:12 "...(no way jesus was there!)..."
34) Deu 33:26 "...(NO one like G-d)..."
35) Deu 5:7 "...(put NO one OR MIGHTY one before G-d)..."
36) Deu 7:4 "...(WARNING against others like jsus/demi-gods)..."
37) 2Sa 7:22 "...(there is NO G-d but G-d ALONE)..."
38) Psa 18:31 "...(G-d is the ONLY Rock)..."
39) Psa 83:18 "...(ONLY G-d! No room for jesus here)..."
40) Psa 86:8 "...(NO one like G-d)..."
41) Psa 89:6 "...(G-d HAS no equal)...
42) Psa 89:8 "...(NO one is MIGHTY like G-d)..."
43) Psa 100:3 "...(ONLY G-d was from the beginning)..."
44) Isa 12:2 "...(G-d alone is my deliverer. No other "savior" wink

..."
45) Isa 33:22 "...(ONLY G-d can save us.)..."
46) Isa 37:20 "...(ONLY G-d)..."
47) Isa 41:4 "...(NO room for jesus)..."
48) Isa 43:15 "...(no jesus)..."
49) Isa 44:8 "...(NO Rock but G-d alone)..."
50) Isa 45:15 "...(G-d ALONE)..."
51) Isa 63:16 "...(G-d is our redeemer, not jesus)..."
52) Hos 1:7 "...(Salvation is ONLY through G-d)..."

Re: God And Jesus Are Not The Same Or Equal. by Ken4Christ: 7:54pm On Jan 22, 2023

MaxInDHouse:
God told Adam that if he eats of the forbidden fruit he will die {Genesis 2:17} DEATH is the opposite of LIFE at death everything goes to oblivion {Ecclesiastes 9:5-10} nothing survives a living creature after death {Ecclesiastes 3:19-20} that's why it's reasonable to conclude that the terms used in the Bible book of Revelation aren't literal but symbolic.

The usual pattern of Jehovah Witness. You make reference to scripture that seems to support your pre conceived opinions and turn blind eyes to many others that clearly contradicts them.

You have no defense against the reference I quoted that the souls of the slain cried to God for vengeance.

So, how could their soul cry if they are unconscious?

I know you don't have answer to hit.

You will keep on arguing until you enter the pit of hell. May the demons give you the torture of your life for being so foolish and hardened.

Re: God And Jesus Are Not The Same Or Equal. by MaxInDHouse(m): 8:52pm On Jan 22, 2023

Your madness don get grade! embarassed

I quoted scripture that you can't explain while i explained what you're quoting with scriptures that Jesus spoke in symbolic terms but your madness and stupidity won't allow you think.
Hell means Grave!

Ken4Christ:
The usual pattern of Jehovah Witness. You make reference to scripture that seems to support your pre conceived opinions and turn blind eyes to many others that clearly contradicts them.

You have no defense against the reference I quoted that the souls of the slain cried to God for vengeance.

So, how could their soul cry if they are unconscious?

I know you don't have answer to hit.

You will keep on arguing until you enter the pit of hell. May the demons give you the torture of your life for being so foolish and hardened.

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Re: God And Jesus Are Not The Same Or Equal. by Ken4Christ: 9:11pm On Jan 22, 2023

MaxInDHouse:
Your madness don get grade!
I quoted scripture that you can't explain while i explained what you're quoting with scriptures that Jesus spoke in symbolic terms but your madness and stupidity won't allow you think.
Hell means Grave!

Don't worry, you will become a symbol of stupidity of the highest order when you land in hell. Son of perdition.

Re: God And Jesus Are Not The Same Or Equal. by MaxInDHouse(m): 9:21pm On Jan 22, 2023

Wèrè, hell simply means GRAVE!

Ken4Christ:
Don't worry, you will become a symbol of stupidity of the highest order when you land in hell. Son of perdition.

Re: God And Jesus Are Not The Same Or Equal. by Ken4Christ: 6:22am On Jan 23, 2023

MaxInDHouse:
Wèrè, hell simply means GRAVE!

Agent of darkness. Continue to work for the devil.

Re: God And Jesus Are Not The Same Or Equal. by MaxInDHouse(m): 7:43am On Jan 23, 2023

Agent of Satan your own don finish there's no more free money from gullible people due to threats of your imaginary hell! cheesy

Ken4Christ:
Agent of darkness. Continue to work for the devil.

Re: God And Jesus Are Not The Same Or Equal. by Ken4Christ: 11:15am On Jan 23, 2023

MaxInDHouse:
Agent of Satan your own don finish there's no more free money from gullible people due to threats of your imaginary hell!

No problem. Russell and Rutherford are waiting for you to join them in the unbearable torture.

They brought their own translation where they have changed so many things to keep you blinded and deluded.

Keep propagating your lies.

Re: God And Jesus Are Not The Same Or Equal. by MaxInDHouse(m): 12:03pm On Jan 23, 2023

All your pastors know they're not going anywhere all what they want is your money just as you're dreaming of extorting money from other gullible mugus around you. cheesy

Ken4Christ:
No problem. Russell and Rutherford are waiting for you to join them in the unbearable torture. They brought their own translation where they have changed so many things to keep you blinded and deluded. Keep propagating your lies.

Re: God And Jesus Are Not The Same Or Equal. by Ken4Christ: 1:12pm On Jan 23, 2023

MaxInDHouse:
All your pastors know they're not going anywhere all what they want is your money just as you're dreaming of extorting money from other gullible mugus around you.

Lost soul

Re: God And Jesus Are Not The Same Or Equal. by MaxInDHouse(m): 1:17pm On Jan 23, 2023

Satan's agent!

Ken4Christ:
Lost soul

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Re: God And Jesus Are Not The Same Or Equal. by Ken4Christ: 2:37pm On Jan 23, 2023

MaxInDHouse:
Satan's agent!

Don't worry. I am coming up with a book that will expose all your false doctrines very soon. And the whole world will know how crooked your organization is.

Re: God And Jesus Are Not The Same Or Equal. by MaxInDHouse(m): 3:14pm On Jan 23, 2023

Na today?

Your great grandfathers in falsehood tried everything they know yet faithful people like me still recognized God's organization out of thousands of false religions. So go and sleep nothing can stop right thinking people from knowing the truth!

Ken4Christ:
Don't worry. I am coming up with a book that will expose all your false doctrines very soon. And the whole world will know how crooked your organization is.

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Re: God And Jesus Are Not The Same Or Equal. by Ken4Christ: 3:32pm On Jan 23, 2023

MaxInDHouse:
Na today?

Your great grandfathers in falsehood tried everything they know yet faithful people like me still recognized God's organization out of thousands of false religions. So go and sleep nothing can stop right thinking people from knowing the truth!

Only those who are perishing join your evil organization. And you are one of them.

Re: God And Jesus Are Not The Same Or Equal. by MaxInDHouse(m): 4:46pm On Jan 23, 2023

Let's wait and see who will perish! cheesy

Ken4Christ:
Only those who are perishing join your evil organization. And you are one of them.

Re: God And Jesus Are Not The Same Or Equal. by Ken4Christ: 5:44pm On Jan 23, 2023

MaxInDHouse:
Let's wait and see who will perish!

Re: God And Jesus Are Not The Same Or Equal. by Janosky: 8:18pm On Jan 23, 2023

Ken4Christ:
Only those who are perishing join your evil organization. And you are one of them.

Ken4Christ:
Don't worry. I am coming up with a book that will expose all your false doctrines very soon. And the whole world will know how crooked your organization is.

Pastorpreneur got nothing to expose except his delusion.
Nah your usual format to milk your gullible sheeples of their hard earned money by peddling GIBBERISH.

You continue to type "PERISH", PERISHING", (means DESTRUCTION,2 Thessalonians 1:8-9) the word in your Bible conflicting with your hellfire perpetual torture GIBBERISH. grin

Re: God And Jesus Are Not The Same Or Equal. by Janosky: 8:19pm On Jan 23, 2023

Ken4Christ:
No problem. Russell and Rutherford are waiting for you to join them in the unbearable torture.

They brought their own translation where they have changed so many things to keep you blinded and deluded.

Keep propagating your lies.

This the prime evidence of your Pastorpreneur delusion.

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