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TenQ:
I did not ask you of any explanation: the scripture has already judged you?

Will God wipe away tears where none exists?

Revelation 7:17 knocked out your GIBBERISH.

Janosky:
Will God wipe away tears where none exists?

Revelation 7:17 knocked out your GIBBERISH.

And the Deceived feel it means literal tears where God will use a white holy handkerchief to rub their eyes!?

When Satan succeeds over a person, he drags his intelligence and comprehension down to sub zero

Janosky:
■ Christ Jesus is a spirit,1 Corinthians 15:45, he's not going to stand on any earthly mountain with the 144,000 co-rulers of his Father's kingdom.
■Mount Zion is heaven.

Oga, you have the right to choose a contrary belief.

1. Jesus Christ who left this planet fully clothed in human flesh is a spirit?

2. When was Mount zion relocated to Heaven?

sagenaija:
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In order to muddle the waters you bring up different unrelated things and hope that you're being 'clever' by so doing.

Such as in Revelation 7:9-10,17?
In Revelation is the Father and the Lamb related in heaven?

Oga, you are not honest.

sagenaija:
Do you remember that I mentioned "context"? Now, go to Revelation 4:1. What does it tell you? When John was told "Come up here", where is the " up here"?
Also, do you find multitudes there? I know that you will need a magnifying glass here.

According to your logic,@ Revelation chapter 4,is the new earth Jesus referenced in Revelation is "up here"?

@ Revelation chapters 4 to 7,in your Bible were the Multitude referenced as rulers?

Revelation 5:9-10,You think that going to heaven is for jamboree?

sagenaija:
Did John see a throne when he was asked to "come up"? Was the throne where he was asked to come up to? In chapter 7 did that throne change location?

I know you guys work from your dogma to interpret the Bible. That is why no matter how clearly a thing is presented to you unless it agrees with what your Governing Board says, you will never accept it. Your brains are that skewed. We now know who is deluded and trying to get others to be the same.

By the way, if I say " I talked directly with Mr. Z" do you know what will determine whether it was via phone or in-person meeting? Let me help you - CONTEXT. I hope you're getting sense small, small.

@ Revelation chapters 4 to 7,in your Bible were the Multitude referenced as rulers,kings/priests?

Digest Revelation 5:9-10, Revelation 14:1-3 very well & spot the difference in Revelation 7:9-10.

sagenaija:
By the way, if I say " I talked directly with Mr. Z" do you know what will determine whether it was via phone or in-person meeting? Let me help you - CONTEXT. I hope you're getting sense small, small.

Off point!

. "Come up here" doesn't mean Revelation 6:4-8 happened in heaven.
Therefore,Every event in Revelation did NOT occur in heaven, including Revelation 7:9-10.

Revelation 4:4, the 24 elders (spirits) had thrones for sitting, same as the 144,000 were kings/priests, Revelation 14:1-3, Revelation 5:9-10, Rev 1:5-6.

What about the Multitude?
Revelation 7:9-10, None!
Earth dwelling Multitude standing before the throne (heaven)- Isaiah 66:1

Janosky:
John W ,Carry your Mumu WAILING komot from this forum.

Ecclesiastes 7:6
For as the crackling of thorns under a pot, so is the laughter of the fool



lost fraud jw janosky

all you have is your continually repeated nonsense talk oh dum dum
and of course your forever loving to lie and blaspheme God:



Joh 8:44 You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, that is his natural way of speaking, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

Mat 12:31 Therefore I say unto you, Every sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men; but the blasphemy against the Holy Spirit shall not be forgiven.

calling the Father and Son and Holy Spirit: "3 gods"

Janosky:
John W ,Carry your Mumu WAILING komot from this forum.

Ecclesiastes 7:6
For as the crackling of thorns under a pot, so is the laughter of the fool



lost fraud jw janosky

of course you believe that someone being against your blasphemy and habitual lying and nonsense talk
and mocking the Holy Spirit is " mumu wailing" and your satan the devil would agree with you:

Joh 8:44 You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, that is his natural way of speaking, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

Mat 12:31 Therefore I say unto you, Every sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men; but the blasphemy against the Holy Spirit shall not be forgiven.

johnw47:
forever loving to post the same nonsense lies
and call the Christian Father and Son and Holy Spirit of the Bible: "3 gods"
and of course loving to mock the Holy Spirit

Janosky:
Will God wipe away tears where none exists?
Revelation 7:17 knocked out your GIBBERISH.

When discussing with misinformed Churchgoers i always manage not to laugh at their stupidity just imagine someone saying:

TenQ:
I did not ask you of any explanation: the scripture has already judged you?

How on earth could the scriptures (unexplained) be the judge?
Even Jesus (God's Son) knew very well that in the absence of thorough explanation to reach the earth of listeners no one could be judged simply by reading out scriptures.
The thief executed alongside Jesus was a Jew yet he lived as a criminal, why didn't the scriptures judge him at least all Jews knew through the Mosaic that God forbids stealing?

Ọmọ i don't bother myself with misinformed Churchgoers if they're ready for real deal let them present the group practicing what they're preaching because that's what will prove they're doing the work of preaching and TEACHING to reach the heart of listers not just quoting scriptures out of context without thorough explanation!

MaxInDHouse:
When discussing with misinformed Churchgoers i always manage not to laugh at their stupidity just imagine someone saying:



How on earth could the scriptures (unexplained) be the judge?
Even Jesus (God's Son) knew very well that in the absence of thorough explanation to reach the earth of listeners no one could be judged simply by reading out scriptures.
The thief executed alongside Jesus was a Jew yet he lived as a criminal, why didn't the scriptures judge him at least all Jews knew through the Mosaic that God forbids stealing?

Ọmọ i don't bother myself with misinformed Churchgoers if they're ready for real deal let them present the group practicing what they're preaching because that's what will prove they're doing the work of preaching and TEACHING to reach the heart of listers not just quoting scriptures out of context without thorough explanation!

I didn't ask you further questions did I?

The scripture has dealt with you sir as your grammar is in vain.

Didn't you get that?

TenQ:
I didn't ask you further questions did I?
The scripture has dealt with you sir as your grammar is in vain. Didn't you get that?

Ọmọ i've heard you it's just that there can't be judgment without thorough explanation of what is written in the scriptures that's why Jesus told his disciples to go PREACHING and TEACHING! Matthew 28:20

MaxInDHouse:
Ọmọ i've heard you it's just that there can't be judgment without thorough explanation of what is written in the scriptures that's why Jesus told his disciples to go PREACHING and TEACHING! Matthew 28:20

Your case is concluded dear by the scriptures.
Struggle all you want, it doesn't change anything

TenQ:
Your case is concluded dear by the scriptures.
Struggle all you want, it doesn't change anything

OK nah!

MaxInDHouse:
OK nah!

As reminder


You fake doctrine cannot withstand any iota of inquisition or questioning: can you see how simple bible truths turn you into jellyfish?


Doesn't the scripture tell us exactly where this THRONE is

Rev 4:2:
"And immediately I was in the Spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne."


Rev 16:17:
"And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done."


Since Gods presence is EVERYWHERE and by your JW doctrine the Throne is NOT literal, where did you come up with the idea that only the 144,000 will be (specifically) in heaven?

Standing before God's throne in that context means standing in God's presence!

TenQ:
As reminder
You fake doctrine cannot withstand any iota of inquisition or questioning: can you see how simple bible truths turn you into jellyfish?
Doesn't the scripture tell us exactly where this THRONE is
Rev 4:2:
"And immediately I was in the Spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne."

Rev 16:17:
"And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done."
Since Gods presence is EVERYWHERE and by your JW doctrine the Throne is NOT literal, where did you come up with the idea that only the 144,000 will be (specifically) in heaven?

MaxInDHouse:
Standing before God's throne in that context means standing in God's presence!

Standing in God's presence In heaven!

I'm sure you avoided reading it as usual


As reminder
Rev4:2 and Rev16:17
Of course, you read a different bible!

You fake doctrine cannot withstand any iota of inquisition or questioning: can you see how simple bible truths turn you into jellyfish?


Doesn't the scripture tell us exactly where this THRONE is

Rev 4:2:
"And immediately I was in the Spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne."


Rev 16:17:
"And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done."


Since Gods presence is EVERYWHERE and by your JW doctrine the Throne is NOT literal, where did you come up with the idea that only the 144,000 will be (specifically) in heaven?

“The outcry against Sodʹom and Go·morʹrah is indeed great, and their sin is very heavy. I will go down to see whether they are acting according to the outcry that has reached me. And if not, I can get to know it.” Genesis 18:20-21

God's presence is not everywhere for now but after Satan, demons, false prophets and faithless generation of people are no more God will turn His attention to mankind in general, that's why John saw the multitude standing in God's presence (before God's throne)

TenQ:
Gods presence is EVERYWHERE

MaxInDHouse:
“The outcry against Sodʹom and Go·morʹrah is indeed great, and their sin is very heavy. I will go down to see whether they are acting according to the outcry that has reached me. And if not, I can get to know it.” Genesis 18:20-21

God's presence is not everywhere for now but after Satan, demons, false prophets and faithless generation of people are no more God will turn His attention to mankind in general, that's why John saw the multitude standing in God's presence (before God's throne)

Your case is closed dear.
I just gave you the scripture again as a judge against you. It is in black and white my dear!

Have a nice day

BTW:
This was what you should have responded to but, you must change the narrative to suit your purpose

TenQ:
Standing in God's presence In heaven!

I'm sure you avoided reading it as usual


As reminder
Rev4:2 and Rev16:17
Of course, you read a different bible!

You fake doctrine cannot withstand any iota of inquisition or questioning: can you see how simple bible truths turn you into jellyfish?


Doesn't the scripture tell us exactly where this THRONE is

Rev 4:2:
"And immediately I was in the Spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne."


Rev 16:17:
"And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done."


Since Gods presence is EVERYWHERE and by your JW doctrine the Throne is NOT literal, where did you come up with the idea that only the 144,000 will be (specifically) in heaven?

OK nah!

TenQ:
Your case is closed.

Janosky:
Such as in Revelation 7:9-10,17?
In Revelation is the Father and the Lamb related in heaven?
Oga, you are not honest.
According to your logic,@ Revelation chapter 4,is the new earth Jesus referenced in Revelation is "up here"?
@ Revelation chapters 4 to 7,in your Bible were the Multitude referenced as rulers?
Revelation 5:9-10,You think that going to heaven is for jamboree?

@ Revelation chapters 4 to 7,in your Bible were the Multitude referenced as rulers,kings/priests?
Digest Revelation 5:9-10, Revelation 14:1-3 very well & spot the difference in Revelation 7:9-10.


Off point!
[b]
. "Come up here" doesn't mean Revelation 6:4-8 happened in heaven.
Therefore,Every event in Revelation did NOT occur in heaven, including Revelation 7:9-10.

Revelation 4:4, the 24 elders (spirits) had thrones for sitting, same as the 144,000 were kings/priests, Revelation 14:1-3, Revelation 5:9-10, Rev 1:5-6.
What about the Multitude?
Revelation 7:9-10, None!
Earth dwelling Multitude standing before the throne (heaven)- Isaiah 66:1
[/b]

According to your logic too, the angels standing around the throne in Rev. 7:11 were not doing so in heaven. Abi?

When I repeatedly say context, context, context, it seems your puny brain refuses to trigger a reasoning mode.

Were angels created to live on planet earth?

The earth was created for humans to inhabit {Psalms 115:16} angels were created to inhabit heaven {Matthew 18:10} so when Jesus wanted his disciples to know what will happen regarding everlasting life he made it clear:

“Happy are those conscious of their spiritual need, since the Kingdom of the heavens belongs to them" Matthew 5:3

The Kingdom (government) of God belongs to these limited number {Luke 12:32} so they're going to heaven with the King (Christ) as his co-rulers! John 14:1-4

“Happy are the mild-tempered, since they will inherit the earth" Matthew 5:5

The subjects of God's Kingdom will live forever on planet earth because they have already humbled themselves after understanding God's plan for salvation {Psalms 37:29} their humility and subjection to righteous rule Jesus established will save them {Zephaniah 2:2-3} when Jesus order his attendants (angels) to exterminate all those opposing his system of rule! Luke 19:27

Jesus said those going to heaven must become angels {Luke 20:34-36} because flesh and blood don't live in heaven! 1Corinthians 15:50

sagenaija:
According to your logic too, the angels standing around the throne in Rev. 7:11 were not doing so in heaven. Abi?

When I repeatedly say context, context, context, it seems your puny brain refuses to trigger a reasoning mode.

Flesh and blood does not live in Heaven yet Jesus Christ went up to Heaven packing flesh and blood?

Kobojunkie:
Flesh and blood does not live in Heaven yet Jesus Christ went up to Heaven packing flesh and blood?

If you want to learn ask direct question and we will TEACH you even though you don't want to subject yourself to any form of teaching but setting your own standard that doesn't mean we shouldn't come to your aid when you need help with the understanding of the scriptures.

The body Jesus died with has been taken away by the angels who were there to take away the sacrifice which is his flesh and blood offered for the sin of mankind, that body doesn't belong to him again because it was borrowed at birth to serve as the sacrificial lamb.

So after Jesus' resurrection he returned to his former life and body before coming to earth which is a spiritual body but how can his friends who can't understand what was happening be assured that Jesus is now alive as a person? That's why he put on a materialized body just as he did when visiting Abraham as God's representative {Genesis 18:1-2} they ate physical food in that body {Genesis 18:8} but they don't sleep because that body is not subjected to tiredness needing sleep. That's why Paul admonished his Christian brothers to continue being hospitable because by doing so Abraham unknowingly entertained angels! Hebrews 13:2

So Jesus never returned to heaven with physical body of flesh and blood {1Corinthians 15:45} he only put on a form of body so that his followers may be prepared for the preaching of the good news that resurrection has been stamped for righteous people.

May you have PEACE!

In a vision, Daniel reports of having seen one who looked very much like a human being in Heaven coming down from Heaven.

11 “I kept on looking because the little horn was bragging. I kept watching until finally the fourth animal was killed. Its body was destroyed, and it was thrown into the burning fire.
12 The authority and rule of the other animals had been taken from them. But they were permitted to live for a certain period of time.
13 “In my vision at night I looked, and there in front of me was someone who looked like a human being. He was coming on the clouds in the sky. He came up to the Ancient King, and the King’s servants brought him before the King.
14 “The one who looked like a human being was given authority, glory, and complete ruling power. People from every nation and language group will serve him. His rule will last forever. His kingdom will continue forever. It will never be destroyed. - Daniel 7 vs 11 - 14

And about 2000 years ago, Scripture records that Jesus Christ ascended into the Heavens clothed in flesh and blood.
■ So, where in the world does this lie that no flesh and blood can enter into Heaven come from abeg?
■ And when exactly did Jesus Christ, who went up into Heaven as flesh and blood shed His human body to become only of spirit matter?

Kobojunkie:
In a vision, Daniel reports of having seen one who looked very much like a human being in Heaven coming down from Heaven.
And about 2000 years ago, Scripture records that Jesus Christ ascended into the Heavens clothed in flesh and blood. So, where in the world does this lie that no flesh and blood can enter into Heaven come from abeg? And when exactly did Jesus Christ, who went up into Heaven as flesh and blood shed His human body to become only of spirit matter?

Daniel saw this in a vision and the reason why the spirit person {Michael) was seen as a son of man is because that's the first time an angel will be born as a child in the midst of humans {Isaiah 9:6} as for Jesus' body it's the SACRIFICE for sin it's not retrievable after he offered the sacrifice, only spirit beings live in the spirit realms that's why Jesus told his disciples that those going to heaven will become like angels! Luke 20:34-36

CHHEEZZUUUSSS!

See delusion abeg!

Apart from your personal opinion what is not delusion to you?

Kobojunkie:
CHHEEZZUUUSSS!
See delusion abeg!

lost fraud jw janosky

when persons from diffrent denominations say diffrently,
that's from them, of course any descrepancy in what they say
is not from the Holy Spirit

but you love to use the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit continually in your low life
nonsense talk, lies, and mocking:

johnw47:
because two say different things doesn't mean that the Holy Spirit is conflicting,
many people talk from their ego's and not from the Holy Spirit

Janosky:
John W ,Carry your Mumu WAILING komot from this forum.

i said it's the persons and not the Holy Spirit that are conflicting and you said that's "mumu wailing".
see, lost false jw how you love to continue to blame the Christian Holy Spirit of the Bible for conflicting doctrine:

Joh 8:44 You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, that is his natural way of speaking, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

Mat 12:31 Therefore I say unto you, Every sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men; but the blasphemy against the Holy Spirit shall not be forgiven.

MaxInDHouse:
Were angels created to live on planet earth?
The earth was created for humans to inhabit {Psalms 115:16} angels were created to inhabit heaven {Matthew 18:10} so when Jesus wanted his disciples to know what will happen regarding everlasting life he made it clear:
“Happy are those conscious of their spiritual need, since the Kingdom of the heavens belongs to them" Matthew 5:3
The Kingdom (government) of God belongs to these limited number {Luke 12:32} so they're going to heaven with the King (Christ) as his co-rulers! John 14:1-4
“Happy are the mild-tempered, since they will inherit the earth" Matthew 5:5
The subjects of God's Kingdom will live forever on planet earth because they have already humbled themselves after understanding God's plan for salvation {Psalms 37:29} their humility and subjection to righteous rule Jesus established will save them {Zephaniah 2:2-3} when Jesus order his attendants (angels) to exterminate all those opposing his system of rule! Luke 19:27
Jesus said those going to heaven must become angels {Luke 20:34-36} because flesh and blood don't live in heaven! 1Corinthians 15:50

How has this answered my question to Janosky?
Follow my post. Don't second guess. What single word have I been mentioning?

sagenaija:
How has this answered my question to Janosky?
Follow my post. Don't second guess. What single word have I been mentioning?

Humans aren't going to heaven except those chosen and they will live there as spirits!

sagenaija:
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According to your logic too, the angels standing around the throne in Rev. 7:11 were not doing so in heaven. Abi?

When I repeatedly say context, context, context, it seems your puny brain refuses to trigger a reasoning mode.

Mumu post TWISTING the holy scriptures.
Lets ALLOW Revelation 7:9 (screenshots) to expose your fallacy.
"All the angels were standing round about the throne and the elders......."
Proof the angels in heaven formed a circle around the throne and also the circle was behind the elders....."

This Oga, TWISTING the holy scriptures under the guise of context, did your own Bible give that same description of verse 11 to the Multitude in verse 9?

No!

You are so dishonest hiding under the guise of context


[b]Did your own Bible @Revelation 7:9-10, say the Multitude are angels?
No !

@Revelation 7:9-10, were angels redeem with the blood of the Lamb?
No !
Revelation 7:11, kindergarten pupils know that these angels are spirits dwelling in heaven.

Verse 11 PROVEN that angels are NEVER co-rulers with Christ.




Revelations 7:9-10,The Multitudes are NOT co-rulers with Christ,they have no business in heaven.
Therefore, blessings of Revelation 21:3-5 is their portion for eternity.

Humans on earth are standing before God's throne, Isaiah 66:1= Revelation 7:9-10, IYKYK.

Oga, don't come here typing GIBBERISH.

Janosky:
Humans on earth are standing before God's throne, Isaiah 66:1= Revelation 7:9-10, IYKYK.

Oga, don't come here typing GIBBERISH.[/b]

Disingenuous Janosky!

According to Rev. 4:2, where was the throne with the 24 elders? On earth or in heaven?

Chapter 7 verse 9 started with "After this....." In other words, after the events he had just narrated. And he went on to talk about the throne.

So, Janosky, when did the throne that John saw "set in heaven" according to Rev. 4:2 come down to earth?

Do you see where CONTEXT comes in again?

sagenaija:
Disingenuous Janosky!
According to Rev. 4:2, where was the throne with the 24 elders? On earth or in heaven?
Chapter 7 verse 9 started with "After this....." In other words, after the events he had just narrated. And he went on to talk about the throne. So, Janosky, when did the throne that John saw "set in heaven" according to Rev. 4:2 come down to earth? Do you see where CONTEXT comes in again?

Revelations was written in parables because it's Jesus' own words that John was penning down! Revelations 1:1-2

So context doesn't count rather overview of the Bible's message which is Godly peace both in heaven (for the 144,000) and on earth (for the great crowd) because they're all standing in God's presence (before the throne of God)

MaxInDHouse:
Revelations was written in parables because it's Jesus' own words that John was penning down! Revelations 1:1-2

So context doesn't count rather overview of the Bible's message which is Godly peace both in heaven (for the 144,000) and on earth (for the great crowd) because they're all standing in God's presence (before the throne of God)

The level of comprehension of you guys is well known. It's easier for you guys to regurgitate what your Governing Board says than look at a simple passage and explain it.

When you make a statement such as the highlighted it simply exposes your level of cognition.

Again, if you guys can add what you will to the Bible and adjust whatever portion of it to suit your dogma, what else can you not do?

The Bible CLEARLY says the throne was set in heaven. But you now have a better understanding than the rest of us. So, you're now telling us that "context doesn't count" but what we should see is "rather overview of the Bible's message".

Please clap for yourself, wonderful Bible scholar.
Janosky your brother should also clap for you.