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Shma2022:
You're being moved by too much amour propre, and it's becoming nuisancical.

Nairobi CBD is filled up. we are building new CBDs, and they are growing at a rate that SAn cities can't near. Westlands & upper hill has a development progress that is unmatched by any city in SA. They are growing to a standard of first world countries.

We agreed on specifics. Not Your entirely aggravating submission.

Our population is on a downward trajectory; how do you expect to catch up with kenya? By 2025, we will be at an equal rate in terms of pp growth. So forget catching up!

Gaddamit! It's either Ghana is more developed than Kenya, or Not. Stop these cheap stunts to sound holier than thou. Understand the topic! Don't just answer like a madman. Anyways, my point regarding this specific paragraph is; Don't use city development trying to compare with a village or other deserted regions.
Heck! Is Lagos better than Ghana as a whole, simply because they have bigger GDP than her? I will wait for this answer.

- the irony in this statement ;DI'm not the one comparing Nairobi with Johannesburg.... If anything it's your own amour propre driving you to nonsensical comparisons.

- Do you really want to go there?? Must we compare the values of South Africas new urban developments to Kenya's?? ..... Must we go there.... Because I really want to you are a one city state my bru....we have several that are beyond Nairobi.

- you said you agree... Not me

- Are you retarded?? Can you not read your own source?? Not only is Kenya growing faster than SA but SAs growth rate is in an even steeper decline.

-muppet who's talking about GDP?..... It was one of many indexes I used when comparing Joburg to kenya.... Now you are fixated on it...and it depends on what development you are talking about, hdi and QOL Ghana leads infrastructure its Kenya

Mkenya2019:
There is hardly any road in Nairobi that is unpaved...just very few in slums. I don't understand how joburg can have more roads than Nairobi. That is assuming both are the same size.Gauteng yes..Nairobi metro its equivalent still has majority of roads unpaved Murram.Nairobi is completely built up...what is happening the last two decades is destruction of old low rises for high rise...the Nairobi metro still has spaces for those who want suburban living

Joburg has nearly the road network length as Kenya bru, as in your entire country ... Talk less of Nairobi.... You don't understand it because your brain can't comprehend the sheer magnitude of Johannesburg

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Shma2022:
Again, common sense!

yes... Something you clearly lack

Kazikazi:
I know you are in pain,but unfortunately that is the truth according to International football federation for history and statistics (IFFHS), and we were usually at position 8 few years in a row,and now we climbed to 5,then we will be competing with Egypt for a first sport.

Competing with Egypt in soccer or something else?

jl115:
- the irony in this statement ;DI'm not the one comparing Nairobi with Johannesburg.... If anything it's your own amour propre driving you to nonsensical comparisons.

- Do you really want to go there?? Must we compare the values of South Africas new urban developments to Kenya's?? ..... Must we go there.... Because I really want to you are a one city state my bru....we have several that are beyond Nairobi.

- you said you agree... Not me

- Are you retarded?? Can you not read your own source?? Not only is Kenya growing faster than SA but SAs growth rate is in an even steeper decline.

-muppet who's talking about GDP?..... It was one of many indexes I used when comparing Joburg to kenya.... Now you are fixated on it...and it depends on what development you are talking about, hdi and QOL Ghana leads infrastructure its Kenya

Are you high on adulterated coc@in? You're just responding without comprehending.
The amour propre driving you roots from how you're laying out your answers " joburg is bigger than Kenya and BluhBluhBlu." that's how buffoons and Ego driven brigades bahave. Bring joburg to the table and compare it one on one with Nairobi. Let's check the magnitude of differences between the two basing on the facets you mentioned. That will help us weigh the possibility of Nai catching up, Bozo!

YES. Let's do that. And lest dementia hits you, lemme retract you to the topic. We're not saying the value of new projects in Nairobi surpasses that of Joburg. The point is no new development in Joburg can come close to those in wetlands and upperhill.

I hope you dont have glaucoma. Not sure if English is slapping your brain. I said I agree with NEARLY everything you said. Nearly ≠ Entirely.

What the hell is going on with you? Don't be a f*ckin ret@rd. I gave you our data, and the rate for Kenya was clearly on a downward trajectory, SA is flactuating year in year out. Kenya is showing resilience in decline.


Again, understand the context. Don't argue blindly. I gave out an example to prove how dumb your logic was. Heck! You haven't answered the question, smh.

jl115:
yes... Something you clearly lack

It's the other way around. Stop being shallow-minded.

Shma2022:
Fastest growth based on population, not development.

Not just population growth
Many factors can make one city grow faster than another. But the economy, housing and job market are almost always part of the equation. Beneath this umbrella are variables like population growth, unemployment rates, new business ventures, household income, taxes and affordable housing

Shma2022:
It's the other way around. Stop being shallow-minded.

again...the irony

Appisko:
Not just population growth
Many factors can make one city grow faster than another. But the economy, housing and job market are almost always part of the equation. Beneath this umbrella are variables like population growth, unemployment rates, new business ventures, household income, taxes and affordable housing

Anything UN & projection is population and population alone. I can guarantee you that the projection you posted was based on population growth rate.

Do you mind sharing the link?

jl115:
again...the irony

The other way around, BoZo!

Africa top bussines cities 2023
Ghana really doing well considering we just 30m in population

Shma2022:
Are you high on adulterated coc@in? You're just responding without comprehending.
The amour propre driving you roots from how you're laying out your answers " joburg is bigger than Kenya and BluhBluhBlu." that's how buffoons and Ego driven brigades bahave. Bring joburg to the table and compare it one on one with Nairobi. Let's check the magnitude of differences between the two basing on the facets you mentioned. That will help us weigh the possibility of Nai catching up, Bozo!

YES. Let's do that. And lest dementia hits you, lemme retract you to the topic. We're not saying the value of new projects in Nairobi surpasses that of Joburg. The point is no new development in Joburg can come close to those in wetlands and upperhill.

I hope you dont have glaucoma. Not sure if English is slapping your brain. I said I agree with NEARLY everything you said. Nearly ≠ Entirely.

What the hell is going on with you? Don't be a f*ckin ret@rd. I gave you our data, and the rate for Kenya was clearly on a downward trajectory, SA is flactuating year in year out. Kenya is showing resilience in decline.


Again, understand the context. Don't argue blindly. I gave out an example to prove how dumb your logic was. Heck! You haven't answered the question, smh.

- I'm simply quoting fact my bru ....actual facts that you can research for yourself, You are here stating Nairobi will overtake Joburg in 5 years and Kenya will overtake SA in 10 years when in reality there isn't a single shred of evidence that suggest any of this, see the difference? and fyi I have posted the actual figures wrt, road network, rail network, retail space, housing market, sporting facilities, schools, universities ect ect on this thread before for all to see.

- nahhh bru you said Kenya not Nairobi, we going to compare SAs new urban developments to that of Kenya

- I didn't say you agreed with everything?? you sure you have don't demen

- Must we post population projection of SA and Kenya in 2050?? Just to prove how ret@rded you are?

Shma2022:
The other way around, BoZo!

scream it at the top of your lungs my bru maybe it will come true

jl115:
- I'm simply quoting fact my bru ....actual facts that you can research for yourself, You are here stating Nairobi will overtake Joburg in 5 years and Kenya will overtake SA in 10 years when in reality there isn't a single shred of evidence that suggest any of this, see the difference? and fyi I have posted the actual figures wrt, road network, rail network, retail space, housing market, sporting facilities, schools, universities ect ect on this thread before for all to see.

- nahhh bru you said Kenya not Nairobi, we going to compare SAs new urban developments to that of Kenya

- I didn't say you agreed with everything?? you sure you have don't demen

- Must we post population projection of SA and Kenya in 2050?? Just to prove how ret@rded you are?

Don't bring up things I didn't say. I never said Kenya needs 5, 10, 100 or 1000yrs to catch up. That is not what I'm debating. But 5 yrs is pretty much enough for anything anywhere to happen. So yeah, might be true or not, considering the dynamics of the circumstance.

My fidelity is to facts and logic. If I say mango is better than orange, challenge me on that ground. Don't tell me mango is better than every fruit you have. That is bull cr@p & Childishness - rooted in complacency syndrome.

Correct!

Post current population trend from the world bank or IMF. Don't post fantasies and dream. So yeah, help me post both Kenya and SA population growth trajectories. Thanks in advance!

jl115:
scream it at the top of your lungs my bru maybe it will come true

Sounds like I've aroused your intense feelings. Don't be a touchy-feely dopey.

Shma2022:
Sounds like I've aroused your intense feelings. Don't be a touchy-feely dopey.

that's the conclusion you got from my reply? I thought you said you have common sense

jl115:
that's the conclusion you got from my reply? I thought you said you have common sense

Maybe spoon feeding will suffice.

Your common sense is your natural ability to make good judgments and to behave in a practical and sensible way

Good?

Shma2022:
Don't bring up things I didn't say. I never said Kenya needs 5, 10, 100 or 1000yrs to catch up. That is not what I'm debating. But 5 yrs is pretty much enough for anything anywhere to happen. So yeah, might be true or not, considering the dynamics of the circumstance.

My fidelity is to facts and logic. If I say mango is better than orange, challenge me on that ground. Don't tell me mango is better than every fruit you have. That is bull cr@p & Childishness - rooted in complacency syndrome.

Correct!

Post current population trend from the world bank or IMF. Don't post fantasies and dream. So yeah, help me post both Kenya and SA population growth trajectories. Thanks in advance!

- Well your mate Rvp says it everyday and you decide to weigh in on that debate every single time, you even said my response was "confirmation bais" when I said to rvp that Kenya will not be close to catching SA GDP wise in 2030 ,and if I bothered I would probably find a post of yours where you have said it yourself.... So don't fool yourself my bru

- a lot can happen in 5 years but a lot can't as well, our judicial, constitution and financial systems are to strong for SA to collapse like a Zimbabwe, the ANC will be long gone before a total collapse could ever happen, in fact we are one of Africas most stable countries, Kenya for example as it is now is closer to total collapse than SA ever will be....and that's says a lot considering SAs current problems.

- the point I'm making is that you are comparing cities that are in entirely different leagues, and to further prove my point i use Joburg vs Kenya as an example as to how nonsensical that comparison is....ive provided the fact here before wrt to Joburg vs Kenya/Nairobi...yet you and rvp have amnesia because we have this exact same debate every couple of months

- Kenya population 2050 : 85 million
South Africa population 2050 : 73 million

Source: World Bank

Shma2022:
Maybe spoon feeding will suffice.

Your common sense is your natural ability to make good judgments and to behave in a practical and sensible way

Good?

you should really read what you posted my bru instead of just copy and pasting from the internet without comprehending what you post

Shma2022:
Fastest growth based on population, not development.

I'm referring to observable development term and not population... Has no relation to the UN thing posted here

jl115:
- Well your mate Rvp says it everyday and you decide to weigh in on that debate every single time, you even said my response was "confirmation bais" when I said to rvp that Kenya will not be close to catching SA GDP wise in 2030 ,and if I bothered I would probably find a post of yours where you have said it yourself.... So don't fool yourself my bru

- a lot can happen in 5 years but a lot can't as well, our judicial, constitution and financial systems are to strong for SA to collapse like a Zimbabwe, the ANC will be long gone before a total collapse could ever happen, in fact we are one of Africas most stable countries, Kenya for example as it is now is closer to total collapse than SA ever will be....and that's says a lot considering SAs current problems.

- the point I'm making is that you are comparing cities that are in entirely different leagues, and to further prove my point i use Joburg vs Kenya as an example as to how nonsensical that comparison is....ive provided the fact here before wrt to Joburg vs Kenya/Nairobi...yet you and rvp have amnesia because we have this exact same debate every couple of months

- Kenya population 2050 : 85 million
South Africa population 2050 : 73 million

Source: World Bank

Rvp said, I didn't. Another proof that you suffer from chronic Amnesia ; perhaps blended with glaucoma.
Kenya catching up with SA will certainly take years, pretty much 40+, if we base it of with the current GDP growth. That was not the point though. And yeah, I already gave you my take on why Kenya will surpass SA economy in 10yrs to come. My point is entirely different from that of RVP and it remains static.

Yes, that's why I told you not to be so certain about the impossibility of Kenya overtaking SA on anything anytime soon - 4,510--- 40yrs. That's beside our upward trajectory vs your downward both on economy and other development aspects. Heck! the end of ANC can mean catastrophe to your economy. Just don't elect Malema, cos my instinct toward that line is not playing with my mind.

Agreed. But Joburg is just a step away from Nairobi - not the way you're putting it. Nairobi has more than 45 shopping malls, bridging the gap on skyscrapers, fixing horizontal infrastructure to a first world standard, universal electricity connection (zero load shedding). Joburg is Alpha, Nairobi just a step down in Gamma category - of course with the likes of cape town, Casablanca... So yeah, joburg is ahead but not extremely like you're putting it. Nairobi is growing faster than Joburg, that's without doubt. The debate is "moving to catch up " --- not; "Nairobi can compete Joburg. " Again, read to understand, not to reply.

Never asked for fantasies and dream. Post real world bank figures. Let's see the trajectory for both. I want to show you something.

jl115:
you should really read what you posted my bru instead of just copy and pasting from the internet without comprehending what you post

I presumed you would say exactly this. I posted in that comment and deleted it just to see how it goes. So I can now conclude without a doubt that your cognitive ceiling is wallowing at a shallow point// Average and its surrounding, or perhaps you're high on expired viagra today.

ProblemChild1:
Ghana be typical village. No be me talk am oo Lagos alone is more developed than that your tiny hellhole

You Zoogerians do u guy look at yourselves before you talk? Common election is a problem for you ppl lol

Shma2022:
Rvp said, I didn't. Another proof that you suffer from chronic Amnesia ; perhaps blended with glaucoma.
Kenya catching up with SA will certainly take years, pretty much 40+, if we base it of with the current GDP growth. That was not the point though. And yeah, I already gave you my take on why Kenya will surpass SA economy in 10yrs to come. My point is entirely different from that of RVP and it remains static.

Yes, that's why I told you not to be so certain about the impossibility of Kenya overtaking SA on anything anytime soon - 4,510--- 40yrs. That's beside our upward trajectory vs your downward both on economy and other development aspects. Heck! the end of ANC can mean catastrophe to your economy. Just don't elect Malema, cos my instinct toward that line is not playing with my mind.

Agreed. But Joburg is just a step away from Nairobi - not the way you're putting it. Nairobi has more than 45 shopping malls, bridging the gap on skyscrapers, fixing horizontal infrastructure to a first world standard, universal electricity connection (zero load shedding). Joburg is Alpha, Nairobi just a step down in Gamma category - of course with the likes of cape town, Casablanca... So yeah, joburg is ahead but not extremely like you're putting it. Nairobi is growing faster than Joburg, that's without doubt. The debate is "moving to catch up " --- not; "Nairobi can compete Joburg. " Again, read to understand, not to reply.

Never asked for fantasies and dream. Post real world bank figures. Let's see the trajectory for both. I want to show you something.

- you said it is confirmation bais when I said Kenya is not overtaking Kenya by 2030....dont go changing your story

- how does this contradiction even make sense Also what are your reasons? And why aren't they supported by any legitimate economists and analysts?

- the fact that you think Malema even has a chance to be elected when the EFF can barely get 10 % of the vote makes me wonder if you really understand what you are talking about.

- it's not just a step away, that's the fvcking point, how can Nairobi be a step away when Kenya as a whole is barely at Joburg level of development?.... And 45 malls is nothing when Joburg alone has over 300

- those are world bank projections like you asked for...you just having another stroke from being e-whipped once again.

Shma2022:
I presumed you would say exactly this. I posted in that comment and deleted it just to see how it goes. So I can now conclude without a doubt that your cognitive ceiling is wallowing at a shallow point// Average and its surrounding, or perhaps you're high on expired viagra today.

bru....you making 0 sense, but continue, you are great entertainment

In 5yrs kenya gdp will rise from 120b dollars now to 200B growing at 6-7 percent annual growth rate. South Africa economy will be stuck btw 350-400B depending on rand/dollar rate with 0-1 percent growth. Then btw 2028 to 2032 kenya economy will start it take off as total fertility rate will drop to 2 percent ,gdp per capita will hit 4000 around 2030 to become upper middle class country and economy will grow by double digit doubling to 400b before 2035.South Africa will continue to be hobbled by middle class trap because they cannot transition to high income with poorly educated black majority. Kenya will accelerate from 2035 to become developed country by 2050.The big difference will be down to educational outcomes of kenya and South Africa. South Africa has got where it is due to enormous minerals and small educated minority ...and has hit diminishimg marginal utility since 2010.For them to move forward they must address human capital.Human capital of 90 percent majority blacks.kenya right now has education outcome or levels of upper middle class while South africa has lower middle class education levels...South africa need to fix that..ANC or Eskom is not the problem. ANC grew the economy rapidly from 1994 to 2010...infact in less than decade from 2002 to 2010 ANC almost trippled the economy from 180 to 430B..then it was over.The economy need to be reconfigured and restructured from natural resources to knowledge based economy. You need way above basic literacy.

Actually btw 2002 to 2011 South Africa gdp grew from 120B to 450B..almost four times. Economic growth is not linear and projections cannot be linear