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Wizzzzmike:
You Zoogerians do u guy look at yourselves before you talk? Common election is a problem for you ppl lol

We're far better than you foools. Way ahead of your shanty zoooo

Kazikazi:
Here is a link son,unfortunately it's upside down

https://www.smartcitiesdive.com/ex/sustainablecitiescollective/african-cities-fastest-growing-world/248936/

The usual reportiore of links however updated that show TZ in some light

Mkenya2019:
In 5yrs kenya gdp will rise from 120b dollars now to 200B growing at 6-7 percent annual growth rate. South Africa economy will be stuck btw 350-400B depending on rand/dollar rate with 0-1 percent growth. Then btw 2028 to 2032 kenya economy will start it take off as total fertility rate will drop to 2 percent ,gdp per capita will hit 4000 around 2030 to become upper middle class country and economy will grow by double digit doubling to 400b before 2035.South Africa will continue to be hobbled by middle class trap because they cannot transition to high income with poorly educated black majority. Kenya will accelerate from 2035 to become developed country by 2050.The big difference will be down to educational outcomes of kenya and South Africa. South Africa has got where it is due to enormous minerals and small educated minority ...and has hit diminishimg marginal utility since 2010.For them to move forward they must address human capital.Human capital of 90 percent majority blacks.kenya right now has education outcome or levels of upper middle class while South africa has lower middle class education levels...South africa need to fix that..ANC or Eskom is not the problem. ANC grew the economy rapidly from 1994 to 2010...infact in less than decade from 2002 to 2010 ANC almost trippled the economy from 180 to 430B..then it was over.The economy need to be reconfigured and restructured from natural resources to knowledge based economy. You need way above basic literacy.

cool story bro.........To bad its only you and your fellow delusional Keyan friends RVP and Shma that believe this crap.

Also FYI minerals/mining only contribute 6% to SAs GDP.......maybe do some research before spewing nonsense

jl115:
cool story bro.........To bad its only you and your fellow delusional Keyan friends RVP and Shma that believe this crap.

Also FYI minerals/mining only contribute 6% to SAs GDP.......maybe do some research before spewing nonsense

Maybe one day they'll realize they have a long way to go,

jl115:
cool story bro.........To bad its only you and your fellow delusional Keyan friends RVP and Shma that believe this crap.

Also FYI minerals/mining only contribute 6% to SAs GDP.......maybe do some research before spewing nonsense

I mean they speaking of Nairobi getting BRT while we have it in small towns even townships

jl115:
- you said it is confirmation bais when I said Kenya is not overtaking Kenya by 2030....dont go changing your story

- how does this contradiction even make sense Also what are your reasons? And why aren't they supported by any legitimate economists and analysts?

- the fact that you think Malema even has a chance to be elected when the EFF can barely get 10 % of the vote makes me wonder if you really understand what you are talking about.

- it's not just a step away, that's the fvcking point, how can Nairobi be a step away when Kenya as a whole is barely at Joburg level of development?.... And 45 malls is nothing when Joburg alone has over 300

- those are world bank projections like you asked for...you just having another stroke from being e-whipped once again.

Never talked about confirmation bias - this is Chronic amnesia at it again! I never said Kenya will overtake SA by 2030. Read to understand, not to waste words.
I know I've rendered you with no choice but to pull out imaginations that can supplement your "confirmation bias," like you said. You have literally made zero counter argument from what I told you.
Thus say, Kenya overtaking SA by 2030 is possible with varying circumstances and impossible if all factors remains constant. (don't ignore the bolded )

There is no contradiction in that statement; unless you're extremely obtuse not to see. I can juxtapose different opinions, that's not contradiction.
You should embolden every statement supporting the claim, instead of displaying selective amnesia.
"Kenya will certainly not overtake SA anytime soon if all factors remains static!"

"Kenya will without doubt overtake SA in 10yrs if circumstances that I consider will happen happens."

Lemme explain the second point:
SA are championing for land repossesion. ANC are pro - boers, equality and whatnot. The other group with an upper hand, are anti - land grabbers(boers). Once they take in power, boers will go through hell. They will start tracing their root in Europe like "the year of return by Ghanian." That approach alone will see SA industrial sector collapsing, sports dying, infrastructure going into tetedemmalion, economy melting down and pretty much everything crumbling. SA will have to start afresh and bear the consequences of post independence. Kenya will be moving at a faster rate, then.

ANC with all the load shedding, voltage reduction, economy recession, zero progress will win? That will be a recipe for war this time around. ANC is terrible, but electing them will to some point; compared to the other party retain the state of normality - Key words: TO SOME POINT.

Because Nairobi is way ahead of Kenya! Nairobi accounts for 30% of Kenya GDP. Nairobi has more skyscrapers than Kenya. If we start comparing Nairobi with Kenya, Nairobi will win in most parts. Capital cities holds primary status of a country - Joburg has no competitor in SA notwithstanding her Crime rate. Again, we came with Nairobi, challenge Nairobi. If you're the fattest person in your family, and you want to compare yourself with your fat cousin; you don't go ahead and say your cousin is fatter than the whole village, how can he compare himself with me, when you're the 2nd, 3rd, or 5th most fat in your entire village, that is irrational thinking blended with amour propre.

Are you talking about Joburg CBD or what? Where do you get 300? HAHAHA!
Joburg has less than 50 malls, FYI. Lie to the stupid fella, not here.

TF, I asked for REAL DATA from WB(2010 --2023.) Am I speaking in Chinese or what? Do you by any way suffer from neurasthenia?

jl115:
bru....you making 0 sense, but continue, you are great entertainment

You good at Clutching at straws. I give you that 💯

jl115:
cool story bro.........To bad its only you and your fellow delusional Keyan friends RVP and Shma that believe this crap.

Also FYI minerals/mining only contribute 6% to SAs GDP.......maybe do some research before spewing nonsense

When I first made that projection in 2016..Kenya gdp was 60B..now 120B..South africa is stuck in middle class trap.Kenya will take off economically in 2030 due to many reasons..africa best hci/tfr of 2/infrastructure.Countries now taking off are India,Bangladesh and Vietnam. Economic growth is not linear..it like a plane taking off...it initially very slow and burn a lot of fuel...then it take off.South Africa took off in 2000s rising from 150 to 450B in a decade.Then it predictably stalled because HCI..Malawi type of 40. Minning is not just mineral but all the multiplier effects..Joburg was built by gold..not literally..but mining support manufacturing and service.South Africa until it focuses on human capital..right from improving its terrible basic education is going NOWHERE.It will remain stuck where it is.You took off to 10,000 feets but never reached 40,000 feets so you cruise on auto pilot. Kenya is still on runway taxi.. it needs 5/7yrs to be ready for take off..Nigeria plane is still in parking lot undergoing major repairs .Bankrupt Ghana plane was seized by creditors and will be out of business for 15yrs.

jl115:
cool story bro.........To bad its only you and your fellow delusional Keyan friends RVP and Shma that believe this crap.

Also FYI minerals/mining only contribute 6% to SAs GDP.......maybe do some research before spewing nonsense

Mathematically, Kenya will be $515B economy in 25 , if all factors remains constant. $214B in 10yrs.

SA we know will be $300B or $400B. 10yrs ago, SA was 10 times Kenyan GDP. In 2023, SA is only 2 times Kenyan GDP. Kenya is still showing resilient growth.

Shma2022:
Never talked about confirmation bias - this is Chronic amnesia at it again! I never said Kenya will overtake SA by 2030. Read to understand, not to waste words.
I know I've rendered you with no choice but to pull out imaginations that can supplement your "confirmation bias," like you said. You have literally made zero counter argument from what I told you.
Thus say, Kenya overtaking SA by 2030 is possible with varying circumstances and impossible if all factors remains constant. (don't ignore the bolded )

There is no contradiction in that statement; unless you're extremely obtuse not to see. I can juxtapose different opinions, that's not contradiction.
You should embolden every statement supporting the claim, instead of displaying selective amnesia.
"Kenya will certainly not overtake SA anytime soon if all factors remains static!"

"Kenya will without doubt overtake SA in 10yrs if circumstances that I consider will happen happens."

Lemme explain the second point:
SA are championing for land repossesion. ANC are pro - boers, equality and whatnot. The other group with an upper hand, are anti - land grabbers(boers). Once they take in power, boers will go through hell. They will start tracing their root in Europe like "the year of return by Ghanian." That approach alone will see SA industrial sector collapsing, sports dying, infrastructure going into tetedemmalion, economy melting down and pretty much everything crumbling. SA will have to start afresh and bear the consequences of post independence. Kenya will be moving at a faster rate, then.

ANC with all the load shedding, voltage reduction, economy recession, zero progress will win? That will be a recipe for war this time around. ANC is terrible, but electing them will to some point; compared to the other party retain the state of normality - Key words: TO SOME POINT.

Because Nairobi is way ahead of Kenya! Nairobi accounts for 30% of Kenya GDP. Nairobi has more skyscrapers than Kenya. If we start comparing Nairobi with Kenya, Nairobi will win in most parts. Capital cities holds primary status of a country - Joburg has no competitor in SA notwithstanding her Crime rate. Again, we came with Nairobi, challenge Nairobi. If you're the fattest person in your family, and you want to compare yourself with your fat cousin; you don't go ahead and say your cousin is fatter than the whole village, how can he compare himself with me, when you're the 2nd, 3rd, or 5th most fat in your entire village, that is irrational thinking blended with amour propre.

Are you talking about Joburg CBD or what? Where do you get 300? HAHAHA!
Joburg has less than 50 malls, FYI. Lie to the stupid fella, not here.

TF, I asked for REAL DATA from WB(2010 --2023.) Am I speaking in Chinese or what? Do you by any way suffer from neurasthenia?

- You did....Must I post a screenshot and embarrass you once again?

- I've posted road network lengths, rail network length, retail space, number of sport facilities, number of schools, economic indexes ect ect and I've backed every one with a reputable source.....You have provided almost 0 sources and those you have, like your WB growth projection actually further prove my argument.

- It's also possible South Africa can become a global power by your same logic, however we base projections on current information.

- Again I could say SA could become a super power in 10 years, or Kenya could collapse in 5 years...fvck I could say what ever I want and just put " varying circumstances" as confirmation of my point using your logic.

- less than 1% of SAns think that land is actually a problem in SA........Job creation, Crime, Eskom ect ect are all factors SAns feel are pressing problems, land isn't one of them. Land repossession is a political scape goat that's all, even with 2/3rds majority the ANC has concede that it will not change the constitution to allow EWC and will rather pursue other avenues....secondly not even the worlds largest super power was able to drive the Boers of the land, you think the ANC or the even smaller EFF can?....also fyi out of all the ethnic groups and tribes the Afrikaner population has been the group with the lowest immigration rates, out every 10 people that leave SA 8 are none white and of that 2 only 5% are of Afrikaner decent so in a nutshell out of the 915000 people that have emigrated from SA(2015 -2020) only 9000 have been Boers....Also interesting to not that although the white population is decreasing in SA the Afrikaner population is having a small boom in population growth.

- My bru we have some of the fairest elections in the world, we have one of the best constitutions in the world, hell we even jail a former president...something Kenya will never do in our lifetime. The ANC will lose 2024 and a DA led coalition will take over, the ANC will accept and probably split in to 2 or more smaller parties, by 2029 ActionSA , DA and the ANC(or ANC break away) will be the 3 largest parties.

- Nairobi can't be ahead of Kenya when it's part of Kenya you muppet, my statistics didn't exclude Nairobi when I was comparing Joburg to Kenya....my point is as a whole(As in together) Kenya(including Nairobi and all other cities) are still barely on par with Joburg wrt to the sheer magnitude of infrastructure and economic size. Joburg has nearly the same rail and road network length as the entire Kenya(as in Nairobi and all other cities and towns combined), it has more shopping centres than what Kenya has(inc Nairobi and all other cities and towns combined), same with sporting facilities, Joburg alone has a GDP of 76 billion....that's 70% of your entire country........do you see the point im making now?

- I literally asked you if I must post 2050 populations projections and you said yes, but you said it must be form the WB or IMF............I did and now you are crying??

Shma2022:
Mathematically, Kenya will be $515B economy in 25 , if all factors remains constant. $214B in 10yrs.

SA we know will be $300B or $400B. 10yrs ago, SA was 10 times Kenyan GDP. In 2023, SA is only 2 times Kenyan GDP. Kenya is still showing resilient growth.

Must be nice to be so stup1d that one could thumb suck any figures you like then whole heartedly believe those figures and use them in an argument

Shma2022:
You good at Clutching at straws. I give you that 💯

Again....the irony

Mkenya2019:
When I first made that projection in 2016..Kenya gdp was 60B..now 120B..South africa is stuck in middle class trap.Kenya will take off economically in 2030 due to many reasons..africa best hci/tfr of 2/infrastructure.Countries now taking off are India,Bangladesh and Vietnam. Economic growth is not linear..it like a plane taking off...it initially very slow and burn a lot of fuel...then it take off.South Africa took off in 2000s rising from 150 to 450B in a decade.Then it predictably stalled because HCI..Malawi type of 40. Minning is not just mineral but all the multiplier effects..Joburg was built by gold..not literally..but mining support manufacturing and service.South Africa until it focuses on human capital..right from improving its terrible basic education is going NOWHERE.It will remain stuck where it is.You took off to 10,000 feets but never reached 40,000 feets so you cruise on auto pilot. Kenya is still on runway taxi.. it needs 5/7yrs to be ready for take off..Nigeria plane is still in parking lot undergoing major repairs .Bankrupt Ghana plane was seized by creditors and will be out of business for 15yrs.

I understand now what's up RVP.... Why arent you using your original monikers to spew your nonsense?

Also why is it that not a single organisation like the WB, IMF, PWC, CIA with billions in R& funding don't even have Kenya close to SA until at least 2080 but ret@rded Kenyas on Nairaland are certain that Kenya will overtake SA in 2030...or 2040( Shma2022 )...... Do you see now why nobody takes you seriously?

jl115:
- You did....Must I post a screenshot and embarrass you once again?

- I've posted road network lengths, rail network length, retail space, number of sport facilities, number of schools, economic indexes ect ect and I've backed every one with a reputable source.....You have provided almost 0 sources and those you have, like your WB growth projection actually further prove my argument.

- It's also possible South Africa can become a global power by your same logic, however we base projections on current information.

- Again I could say SA could become a super power in 10 years, or Kenya could collapse in 5 years...fvck I could say what ever I want and just put " varying circumstances" as confirmation of my point using your logic.

- less than 1% of SAns think that land is actually a problem in SA........Job creation, Crime, Eskom ect ect are all factors SAns feel are pressing problems, land isn't one of them. Land repossession is a political scape goat that's all, even with 2/3rds majority the ANC has concede that it will not change the constitution to allow EWC and will rather pursue other avenues....secondly not even the worlds largest super power was able to drive the Boers of the land, you think the ANC or the even smaller EFF can?....also fyi out of all the ethnic groups and tribes the Afrikaner population has been the group with the lowest immigration rates, out every 10 people that leave SA 8 are none white and of that 2 only 5% are of Afrikaner decent so in a nutshell out of the 915000 people that have emigrated from SA(2015 -2020) only 9000 have been Boers....Also interesting to not that although the white population is decreasing in SA the Afrikaner population is having a small boom in population growth.

- My bru we have some of the fairest elections in the world, we have one of the best constitutions in the world, hell we even jail a former president...something Kenya will never do in our lifetime. The ANC will lose 2024 and a DA led coalition will take over, the ANC will accept and probably split in to 2 or more smaller parties, by 2029 ActionSA , DA and the ANC(or ANC break away) will be the 3 largest parties.

- Nairobi can't be ahead of Kenya when it's part of Kenya you muppet, my statistics didn't exclude Nairobi when I was comparing Joburg to Kenya....my point is as a whole(As in together) Kenya(including Nairobi and all other cities) are still barely on par with Joburg wrt to the sheer magnitude of infrastructure and economic size. Joburg has nearly the same rail and road network length as the entire Kenya(as in Nairobi and all other cities and towns combined), it has more shopping centres than what Kenya has(inc Nairobi and all other cities and towns combined), same with sporting facilities, Joburg alone has a GDP of 76 billion....that's 70% of your entire country........do you see the point im making now?

- I literally asked you if I must post 2050 populations projections and you said yes, but you said it must be form the WB or IMF............I did and now you are crying??

Yes please, do that. You're just about to embarrass yourself.

Again, this is not what we're talking about. Don't bring your imagination to supplement your far fetched submission. I told you react to what I am telling you. I was not debating in the line of what I've emboldened. Yet again, chronic amnesia at it! Comprehension skills is lacking. Buffoonery, poor reading skills and perhaps terrible listening skills at it. If you're not high on expired viagra, then you must be suffering from mental break down.

Correct. But we need to factor all spark plugs of same. Eg, at what rate are you growing? How is your trajectory in terms of population, infrastructure, economy, etc? Kenya is without a doubt growing faster than SA. That's why we came up with Kenya catching up theorem.

Correct! With varying circumstances, Kenya can become a superpower so does SA. The point Is, don't overlook the nitty gritty. Also, don't ignore the obvious. So yeah, you have said nothing regarding this specific paragraph. Woohoo, you just cemented my point.

You can lie to the dogs. 1% owns the world. The government can be 1% but it's impact is significant.
That is not to say everywhere on twitter is boer and stolen land. It's everywhere. In every space; tweets and submission coming from Black south Africans, it's either racism or land. The movement is mounting. Prepare for a hullabaloo... Soon!

I was about to put that as a pressumption; boom! It has come to pass. I can read your mind like a professional psychologist. I know Nairobi is inside Kenya, but the point I made clearly few over your puny brain. I said that to say this:

Nairobi dominates pretty much everything in Kenya. That's how a capital city should be. Joburg on the other hand dominates nearly everything in SA. So all those cities makes huge percent of development. joburg being ahead of Nairobi, it's certainly ahead of Kenya in many aspects. If Nairobi was in Ghana, it will be pretty much ahead of Kenya in many things. That's how it is. So don't get confused with basic logic.

And just to clarify a thing. If your joburg doesn't much don't bring it to the equation. It's either entirely or nothing. Don't say joburg nearly matches Kenya in this and that, the hell! You're just proving every moment how dumb you are. And maybe you forgot this part.

If you're the fattest person in your family, and you want to compare yourself with your fat cousin; you don't go ahead and say your cousin is fatter than the whole village, how can he compare himself with me, when you're the 2nd, 3rd, or 5th most fat in your entire village. that is irrational thinking blended with amour propre.. ---- this is without a doubt a matter of amnesia. So I'm basically dealing with a demented.

Now that you've brought Joburg GDP, prepare for more brutal reality.:
Joburg was $110B economy in 2011. Nairobi was doing $11B thereabouts. That is a whopping 10times.
Nairobi is doing around $32B while Joburg had depreciated to $76B - in 2014. Thats is just twice as much. You're going down while we're heading up.


comprehension, BOZo! I said yes to real data. I asked you to help me post real data.

jl115:
Must be nice to be so stup1d that one could thumb suck any figures you like then whole heartedly believe those figures and use them in an argument

Don't be vulnerable to facts.

I gave you facts.


You were 10times bigger than Kenya 10years ago. Now you're only twice. I know it pains.

Anyway, Prepare for a hullaballoo. History will be rewritten soon.

jl115:
Again....the irony

I can simply copy past this nothingness and flow with it until you get sense.


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jl115:
I understand now what's up RVP.... Why arent you using your original monikers to spew your nonsense?

Also why is it that not a single organisation like the WB, IMF, PWC, CIA with billions in R& funding don't even have Kenya close to SA until at least 2080 but ret@rded Kenyas on Nairaland are certain that Kenya will overtake SA in 2030...or 2040( Shma2022 )...... Do you see now why nobody takes you seriously?

I use many to evade the bots here but Idon't think we are here merely to regurgitate what PWC says.Again economic growth is not linear.You need to understand deeply the dynamics that faces each country. FACT is kenya has sub Sahara highest hci..that has majorly been responsible for the growth the last 20yrs from 12b dollars economy to now 120B.20 more years..we are talking a trillion and 200 billion economy. Fundamentals.

Dr. Ofori Sarpong’s house at East Legon in Accra.


Check those darling babies

Shma2022:
Yes please, do that. You're just about to embarrass yourself.

Again, this is not what we're talking about. Don't bring your imagination to supplement your far fetched submission. I told you react to what I am telling you. I was not debating in the line of what I've emboldened. Yet again, chronic amnesia at it! Comprehension skills is lacking. Buffoonery, poor reading skills and perhaps terrible listening skills at it. If you're not high on expired viagra, then you must be suffering from mental break down.

Correct. But we need to factor all spark plugs of same. Eg, at what rate are you growing? How is your trajectory in terms of population, infrastructure, economy, etc? Kenya is without a doubt growing faster than SA. That's why we came up with Kenya catching up theorem.

Correct! With varying circumstances, Kenya can become a superpower so does SA. The point Is, don't overlook the nitty gritty. Also, don't ignore the obvious. So yeah, you have said nothing regarding this specific paragraph. Woohoo, you just cemented my point.

You can lie to the dogs. 1% owns the world. The government can be 1% but it's impact is significant.
That is not to say everywhere on twitter is boer and stolen land. It's everywhere. In every space; tweets and submission coming from Black south Africans, it's either racism or land. The movement is mounting. Prepare for a hullabaloo... Soon!

I was about to put that as a pressumption; boom! It has come to pass. I can read your mind like a professional psychologist. I know Nairobi is inside Kenya, but the point I made clearly few over your puny brain. I said that to say this:

Nairobi dominates pretty much everything in Kenya. That's how a capital city should be. Joburg on the other hand dominates nearly everything in SA. So all those cities makes huge percent of development. joburg being ahead of Nairobi, it's certainly ahead of Kenya in many aspects. If Nairobi was in Ghana, it will be pretty much ahead of Kenya in many things. That's how it is. So don't get confused with basic logic.

And just to clarify a thing. If your joburg doesn't much don't bring it to the equation. It's either entirely or nothing. Don't say joburg nearly matches Kenya in this and that, the hell! You're just proving every moment how dumb you are. And maybe you forgot this part.

If you're the fattest person in your family, and you want to compare yourself with your fat cousin; you don't go ahead and say your cousin is fatter than the whole village, how can he compare himself with me, when you're the 2nd, 3rd, or 5th most fat in your entire village. that is irrational thinking blended with amour propre.. ---- this is without a doubt a matter of amnesia. So I'm basically dealing with a demented.

Now that you've brought Joburg GDP, prepare for more brutal reality.:
Joburg was $110B economy in 2011. Nairobi was doing $11B thereabouts. That is a whopping 10times.
Nairobi is doing around $32B while Joburg had depreciated to $76B - in 2014. Thats is just twice as much. You're going down while we're heading up.


comprehension, BOZo! I said yes to real data. I asked you to help me post real data.

- Alright then

- OK bru then what are we talking about if we are not talking about infrastructure, development, economy ect ect? Then in what exactly will Nairobi surpass Joburg?... Also FYI we ain't sending voice notes, listenings skills ain't really relevant #commonsense

- Yes Kenya is 100 percent growing faster than SA, you are far less developed and have a faster growing population, nobody disputes that, what I'm disputing is your nonsensical conclusion that Kenya will overtake SA in 10/20/30(changes every day) years when in reality Kenya will only achieve this feat in 2080/90...yet in terms of GDP per capita you are not catching SA in our lifetime

- No actual not cementing your argument at all, in fact I'm exposing it for being Idiotic, actual scientific projections use real world data, not speculation of things that you imagine could happen, the data we have to our disposal does not show Kenya catching SA within the next 50 years.

-firstly Joburg isn't a capital city, secondly my point again is let Kenya as a whole catch up to Joburg before making nonsense comparisons stating Nairobi will overtake Joburg in 5/10/20 years(changes every week).

- The point I'm making is that it's a much closer and fairer comparison to compare Kenya as a whole to Joburg than to compare Nairobi to Joburg, this is because in terms of economic indexes and infrastructure indexes like road and rail network lengths, retail space, sports facilities ect ect Joburg not just comes close to Kenya but in facts leads Kenya in some if not most aspects.

- the 76 million figure is out dated, its from 2014, in 2019 it was 103 billion, probably around the same now post covid

- so the data from the world bank isn't real? or do you want me to time travel to 2050, get the actual figures, and then post them here?

jl115:
I understand now what's up RVP.... Why arent you using your original monikers to spew your nonsense?

Also why is it that not a single organisation like the WB, IMF, PWC, CIA with billions in R& funding don't even have Kenya close to SA until at least 2080 but ret@rded Kenyas on Nairaland are certain that Kenya will overtake SA in 2030...or 2040( Shma2022 )...... Do you see now why nobody takes you seriously?

🤣😂

Shma2022:
Don't be vulnerable to facts.

I gave you facts.


You were 10times bigger than Kenya 10years ago. Now you're only twice. I know it pains.

Anyway, Prepare for a hullaballoo. History will be rewritten soon.

this is what you call facts bru:

Now do the math...

Rest of your post isn't even worth a response

Mkenya2019:
I use many to evade the bots here but Idon't think we are here merely to regurgitate what PWC says.Again economic growth is not linear.You need to understand deeply the dynamics that faces each country. FACT is kenya has sub Sahara highest hci..that has majorly been responsible for the growth the last 20yrs from 12b dollars economy to now 120B.20 more years..we are talking a trillion and 200 billion economy. Fundamentals.

It's not just PWC, it's also the IMF, WB and other major financial organisations that don't support what you are suggesting.

But yeah should've just made a RVP2023

Shma2022:
I can simply copy past this nothingness and flow with it until you get sense.


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You could, besides this particular debate as you stated above is filled with nothingness and drivil...no reason for me to respond to a debate which has no intellectual value... Besides we got a good one going anyway

At last, we win.


The Permanent Court of Arbitration (PCA) in The Hague, The Netherlands, has dismissed a $55 million judgment debt against Ghana which was being sought by a Chinese company over a traffic management project.

Caf has done it again

vankelvin:
Caf has done it again

I am not surprised of kenya , but cape verde amazed me.

vaxx:
I am not surprised of kenya , but cape verde amazed me.

Same thing I said when I saw Cape Verde and Botswana in the list

jl115:
- Alright then

- OK bru then what are we talking about if we are not talking about infrastructure, development, economy ect ect? Then in what exactly will Nairobi surpass Joburg?... Also FYI we ain't sending voice notes, listenings skills ain't really relevant #commonsense

- Yes Kenya is 100 percent growing faster than SA, you are far less developed and have a faster growing population, nobody disputes that, what I'm disputing is your nonsensical conclusion that Kenya will overtake SA in 10/20/30(changes every day) years when in reality Kenya will only achieve this feat in 2080/90...yet in terms of GDP per capita you are not catching SA in our lifetime

-firstly Joburg isn't a capital city, secondly my point again is let Kenya as a whole catch up to Joburg before making nonsense comparisons stating Nairobi will overtake Joburg in 5/10/20 years(changes every week).

- The point I'm making is that it's a much closer and fairer comparison to compare Kenya as a whole to Joburg than to compare Nairobi to Joburg, this is because in terms of economic indexes and infrastructure indexes like road and rail network lengths, retail space, sports facilities ect ect Joburg not just comes close to Kenya but in facts leads Kenya in some if not most aspects.

- the 76 million figure is out dated, its from 2014, in 2019 it was 103 billion, probably around the same now post covid

- so the data from the world bank isn't real? or do you want me to time travel to 2050, get the actual figures, and then post them here?

So you're picking Quotes that I posted last year? How desperate are you?

Go back and trace the ground of my argument. I said "" Nairobi two CBDs(Westland and upper Hill) have more new developments than any Joburg CBD, and its growing at a faster rate than any south African CiTies. Nairobi CBD is filled up Already; it was empty a decade ago when joburg was pretty much full.

You're so dafts. I said perhaps - perhaps is a likelihood, more of a speculation. Perhaps, you're terrible at listening skills( you might be or might not) The rest like lack of comprehending skills is what you posses, that submission was plain and simple, you don't need quantum physician to decompound for you.

Again, I gave you WB data. Kenya is growing at a slower rate, on the grand scheme of things. Yes, faster than SA but the trajectory is moving down while SA is flactuating.

I know you want to annoy me by bringing a Negative vibe to cover a simple "yes, I agree Kenya is growing faster than SA"
Upper middle-income economies are growing, but SA is stagnant, why? Being slightly ahead in development doesn't mean you're there. Accept the fact that you're dead and rotting. You're Not moving forward like other proper middle incomes. So don't bring development that was done in the apartheid era, where gold was an ingredient.

2080 is 57 years.

Simple maths:

Kenya
$120B(1 +0.06) ^ 57
$3324B --- $3T
SA
$419B(1 + 0.01) ^ 57
$738B --- $0.7T

Let's try 30yrs:

Kenya
$120B (1 + 0.06) ^ 30
$689B
SA
$419B(1 + 0.01) ^ 30
$564B

In per capita, you're just 3 times Kenya, just like your GDP. Don't be happy.

Joburg has $76B -- bigger than any city in SA. Joburg is Alpha city , the only one in Africa, more developed than anything in SA. Joburg is twice Naorobi CBD, SA is three times Kenya's GDP. Meaning, Nairobi and Kenya are not moving at the same pace. Again, use your brain. The contention is between Nairobi and Joburg. No one brought Kenya into the mix. Joburg can't match Kenya, how do you expect Kenya to overtake Joburg? Don't shift goalposts with this submission.

Good, any source or link to prove Joburg is $103B -- I honestly need this.
Heck! Joburg's GDP in 2011 was $113B --- how come it's a mere $76B in 2014? Might be way lower in 2023, who knows? Just drop the link.

The bolded is your typical imaginary submission to supplement your far-fetched detected write-up. No one said Nairobi is competing with Joburg, or Kenya is competing with SA. That's you who is trying really hard to bring that up. Our point is: we will soon overtake! We've given you maths and trajectories. Don't tense, I know you're not happy with the statement KENYA WILL OVERTAKE! it's a simple algorithm, not ego contest.

Yes, projections are never real. Projection is guesswork. I asked for real data from IMF or WB for instance. From 2010 to maybe 2022. I know 2023 data is yet to be out.

vankelvin:
Same thing I said when I saw Cape Verde and Botswana in the list

forget botswana, gabrone is not better than takoradi.....


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lbfwqdcq9uk

jl115:
this is what you call facts bru:

Now do the math...

Rest of your post isn't even worth a response

Yes, from 10times, to 3 times in 2022, not 2 times.

So yeah, thanks for provkng the point.

jl115:
- you said it is confirmation bais when I said[b] Kenya is not overtaking Kenya by 2030[/b]....dont go changing your story

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Clearly an oversight on the emboldened right ?

jl115:
You could, besides this particular debate as you stated above is filled with nothingness and drivil...no reason for me to respond to a debate which has no intellectual value... Besides we got a good one going anyway

The irony