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jl115:
It's not just PWC, it's also the IMF, WB and other major financial organisations that don't support what you are suggesting.

But yeah should've just made a RVP2023

linear projections will never see economic miracles like they never saw many.In 2035 you'll be reading of kenya economic miracles by same Imf and pwc . Now watch Vietnam,Bangladesh and India.South Africa is very sick...not even the most optimistic see 2 percent growth in the medium term.kenya will soon move from 6 percent comfort zone to 10 percent.

Mkenya2019:
linear projections will never see economic miracles like they never saw many.In 2035 you'll be reading of kenya economic miracles by same Imf and pwc . Now watch Vietnam,Bangladesh and India.South Africa is very sick...

only Kenyans that's probably why you also believe the earth is flat and that unicorns exist

jl115:
only Kenyans that's probably why you also believe the earth is flat and that unicorns exist

Rwanda too

jl115:
only Kenyans that's probably why you also believe the earth is flat and that unicorns exist

You must be dumber than flat earthers for you to engage one. l will never find myself engaging a flat-earther.


Anyway, 80% of the magnificent building you see here were done in 2016 -2017.

Shma2022:
So you're picking Quotes that I posted last year? How desperate are you?

Go back and trace the ground of my argument. I said "" Nairobi two CBDs(Westland and upper Hill) have more new developments than any Joburg CBD, and its growing at a faster rate than any south African CiTies. Nairobi CBD is filled up Already; it was empty a decade ago when joburg was pretty much full.

You're so dafts. I said perhaps - perhaps is a likelihood, more of a speculation. Perhaps, you're terrible at listening skills( you might be or might not) The rest like lack of comprehending skills is what you posses, that submission was plain and simple, you don't need quantum physician to decompound for you.

Again, I gave you WB data. Kenya is growing at a slower rate, on the grand scheme of things. Yes, faster than SA but the trajectory is moving down while SA is flactuating.

I know you want to annoy me by bringing a Negative vibe to cover a simple "yes, I agree Kenya is growing faster than SA"
Upper middle-income economies are growing, but SA is stagnant, why? Being slightly ahead in development doesn't mean you're there. Accept the fact that you're dead and rotting. You're Not moving forward like other proper middle incomes. So don't bring development that was done in the apartheid era, where gold was an ingredient.

2080 is 57 years.

Simple maths:

Kenya
$120B(1 +0.06) ^ 57
$3324B --- $3T
SA
$419B(1 + 0.01) ^ 57
$738B --- $0.7T

Let's try 30yrs:

Kenya
$120B (1 + 0.06) ^ 30
$689B
SA
$419B(1 + 0.01) ^ 30
$564B

In per capita, you're just 3 times Kenya, just like your GDP. Don't be happy.

Joburg has $76B -- bigger than any city in SA. Joburg is Alpha city , the only one in Africa, more developed than anything in SA. Joburg is twice Naorobi CBD, SA is three times Kenya's GDP. Meaning, Nairobi and Kenya are not moving at the same pace. Again, use your brain. The contention is between Nairobi and Joburg. No one brought Kenya into the mix. Joburg can't match Kenya, how do you expect Kenya to overtake Joburg? Don't shift goalposts with this submission.

Good, any source or link to prove Joburg is $103B -- I honestly need this.
Heck! Joburg's GDP in 2011 was $113B --- how come it's a mere $76B in 2014? Might be way lower in 2023, who knows? Just drop the link.

The bolded is your typical imaginary submission to supplement your far-fetched detected write-up. No one said Nairobi is competing with Joburg, or Kenya is competing with SA. That's you who is trying really hard to bring that up. Our point is: we will soon overtake! We've given you maths and trajectories. Don't tense, I know you're not happy with the statement KENYA WILL OVERTAKE! it's a simple algorithm, not ego contest.

Yes, projections are never real. Projection is guesswork. I asked for real data from IMF or WB for instance. From 2010 to maybe 2022. I know 2023 data is yet to be out.

- last year as in less than 2 months ago.....and you say I have amnesia??....

- I then replied and said we are building new cities as our current ones can't be expanded, you also said Kenya's new urban developments are expanding at a faster rate than SAs... Thus I asked you should we compare the value of new urban development projects.

- let me teach you something, in debates you don't use your imagination and your own speculation about the topic, you use the facts, if you say Kenya will overtake SA in 10 years then you back it up with actual sources, you do not say things like "variables circumstances" and "perhaps"..... The world might end within 10 years and that would mean Kenya will never catch up however that is not how debates work.

- I also gave you WB projections, which clearly show your population eclipsing SAs and its pretty common knowledge that SA has one of the slowest growth rates in Africa even slower than Kenya as per your own source

- When you say thing like Nairobi will overtake Joburg in 5/10 years then you are 100% comparing it to Joburg... Or don't you know how comparisons work?

- South Africa's problems aren't structural, they are political, in theory SA could be growing by 3-4% by 2026 and 5%+ after that....even Eskom can be sorted pretty quickly through privatisation. We aren't in a middle income trap like you call it, we were in an ANC trap or rather a Zuma trap

- Really? You are going to post this stup1ty? So you assuming SA will grow by 1% every year and Kenya by 6% every for 57 years?? Are you good bru? Must I go post the 2050 largest economies again?

- I though you weren't comparing Nairobi and Joburg? But anyway if Joburg can't match Kenya then way does it have an economy nearly the size of kenya, why does it have a rail and road network nearly the size of kenya, why does it have more sports facilities than Kenya, why does it have more retail space than Kenya? Should I go on? And FYI it doesn't matter if Kenya and Nairobi grow at different rates, its irrelevant to the comparison.

- here: https://www.c40.org/cities/johannesburg/

- Again if you say Nairobi will overtake Joburg in 5/10/15/20 years then you are comparing.... Also thumb suck figures and made up math equations arent a source, you need to back up that claim with reputable sources like the IMF, WB, pwc ect ect your made up figures aren't a source.

-OK my question again, must I travel in time to 2050 to get you real population data for 2050?.....or are you saying the WB is completely wrong with there projections and that Shma2022 is more accurate wrt population projections?

Shma2022:
Yes, from 10times, to 3 times in 2022, not 2 times.

So yeah, thanks for provkng the point.

so you were wrong... Again?

Shma2022:
You must be dumber than flat earthers for you to engage one. l will never find myself engaging a flat-earther.


Anyway, 80% of the magnificent building you see here were done in 2016 -2017.

The boer has been told by no less than jllc and Knight Frank that Nairobi is on fire but he is deaf and blind..by time Nairobi is world 4th most dynamic city..that should ring bells...and it just started..now everywhere I see instead four fours minimum is now 10 floors

popizaino:
Clearly an oversight on the emboldened right ?

yes should be SA, just a typo

Shma2022:
The irony

good one

Mkenya2019:
Rwanda too

OK

Shma2022:
You must be dumber than flat earthers for you to engage one. l will never find myself engaging a flat-earther.


Anyway, 80% of the magnificent building you see here were done in 2016 -2017.

you have... On many occasions, as recently as 3 days ago

jl115:
you have... On many occasions, as recently as 3 days ago

🤣 🤣

jl115:
- last year as in less than 2 months ago.....and you say I have amnesia??....

- I then replied and said we are building new cities as our current ones can't be expanded, you also said Kenya's new urban developments are expanding at a faster rate than SAs... Thus I asked you should we compare the value of new urban development projects.

- let me teach you something, in debates you don't use your imagination and your own speculation about the topic, you use the facts, if you say Kenya will overtake SA in 10 years then you back it up with actual sources, you do not say things like "variables circumstances" and "perhaps"..... The world might end within 10 years and that would mean Kenya will never catch up however that is not how debates work.

- I also gave you WB projections, which clearly show your population eclipsing SAs and its pretty common knowledge that SA has one of the slowest growth rates in Africa even slower than Kenya as per your own source

- When you say thing like Nairobi will overtake Joburg in 5/10 years then you are 100% comparing it to Joburg... Or don't you know how comparisons work?

- South Africa's problems aren't structural, they are political, in theory SA could be growing by 3-4% by 2026 and 5%+ after that....even Eskom can be sorted pretty quickly through privatisation. We aren't in a middle income trap like you call it, we were in an ANC trap or rather a Zuma trap

- Really? You are going to post this stup1ty? So you assuming SA will grow by 1% every year and Kenya by 6% every for 57 years?? Are you good bru? Must I go post the 2050 largest economies again?

- I though you weren't comparing Nairobi and Joburg? But anyway if Joburg can't match Kenya then way does it have an economy nearly the size of kenya, why does it have a rail and road network nearly the size of kenya, why does it have more sports facilities than Kenya, why does it have more retail space than Kenya? Should I go on? And FYI it doesn't matter if Kenya and Nairobi grow at different rates, its irrelevant to the comparison.

- here: https://www.c40.org/cities/johannesburg/

- Again if you say Nairobi will overtake Joburg in 5/10/15/20 years then you are comparing.... Also thumb suck figures and made up math equations arent a source, you need to back up that claim with reputable sources like the IMF, WB, pwc ect ect your made up figures aren't a source.

-OK my question again, must I travel in time to 2050 to get you real population data for 2050?.....or are you saying the WB is completely wrong with there projections and that Shma2022 is more accurate wrt population projections?

- it doent matter, ague what you were challenged on. Don't pull outdated conversation.
Yes, I said you have selective amnesia.

- And that is absolutely ok, though the bone of contention is Jobug vs Nai. I don't care if you're expanding other places.
Value of new urban development in both countries was never our argument. but you suggested it because I whipped you on the main debate, that's cool

- correct. Sober debate needs logic and facts.
Logic is when I bring reality of circumstance. Eg, the rise of anti-boers. Or, failed government like ANC.
Facts is when I use reputable data, eg WB, IMF etc to trace the trends in growth or say things as they are using proof. Then common sense applies thereafter. For instance; if Kenya's GDP has been showing a consistent decline or stagnation for like 5 yrs or a decade. Then there is the likelihood of zero growth in the next same variation.

- I don't need projections, I need real data. I can use my common sense to predict.

- context! Come on! The common sense in you is definitely lacking. Yes, I agree Comparison is a monolithic term, and what I said is definitely it. Now go and learn the differences between comparing and contrasting.

- Correct. I know it's political . 3% to 4% is a fallacy. Let's scrutinize you GDP growth rate from 2010.

- The rest are repetition. Not worth my time.

Mkenya2019:
The boer has been told by no less than jllc and Knight Frank that Nairobi is on fire but he is deaf and blind..by time Nairobi is world 4th most dynamic city..that should ring bells...and it just started..now everywhere I see instead four fours minimum is now 10 floors

True. He's in denial.

jl115:
you have... On many occasions, as recently as 3 days ago

Is English the problem?

"Will" expresses the future tense. I didn't say "I have never. "

Read to understand.

For clarity, I will never engage flat-earthers on their specific ideology.

jl115:
so you were wrong... Again?

Technical mistake, but the message is home, right?

jl115:
only Kenyans that's probably why you also believe the earth is flat and that unicorns exist

Ok Mr. Hunter, I think you should relax. We draw the line at unicorns!!

Shma2022:
- it doent matter, ague what you were challenged on. Don't pull outdated conversation.
Yes, I said you have selective amnesia.

- And that is absolutely ok, though the bone of contention is Jobug vs Nai. I don't care if you're expanding other places.
Value of new urban development in both countries was never our argument. but you suggested it because I whipped you on the main debate, that's cool

- correct. Sober debate needs logic and facts.
Logic is when I bring reality of circumstance. Eg, the rise of anti-boers. Or, failed government like ANC.
Facts is when I use reputable data, eg WB, IMF etc to trace the trends in growth or say things as they are using proof. Then common sense applies thereafter. For instance; if Kenya's GDP has been showing a consistent decline or stagnation for like 5 yrs or a decade. Then there is the likelihood of zero growth in the next same variation.

- I don't need projections, I need real data. I can use my common sense to predict.

- context! Come on! The common sense in you is definitely lacking. Yes, I agree Comparison is a monolithic term, and what I said is definitely it. Now go and learn the differences between comparing and contrasting.

- Correct. I know it's political . 3% to 4% is a fallacy. Let's scrutinize you GDP growth rate from 2010.

- The rest are repetition. Not worth my time.

- It's not my fault you are a hypocrite and contradict your own arguments my bru, and that conversation is 100% relevant since it shows exactly what you claimed you never said.

- I said let Kenya catch up to Joburg before we compare it with Nairobi, that's what I said....Is Nairobi closing the gap? yes, will it overtake Joburg...probably not in our lifetime.

- That's not factual or logical since there are 0 facts to suggest that what you are claiming will happen will actually happen
- Then why don't you go and look at WB and IMF projections yourself instead of thumb sucking random figures?

- So according to you WB and IMF projections are nonsense and your "common sense" trumps the projections of organisations with millions of dollars in research funding?........... is that what you are saying?

- When you say something is in contrast to something else then you are still comparing....YOU compared Nairobi to Joburg, there is no disputing this.

- scrutinise it, there is no denying Zuma has screwed SA for more than a decade.

gallivant:
Ok Mr. Hunter, I think you should relax. We draw the line at unicorns!!

what about shapeshifting reptilians though?

Shma2022:
Technical mistake, but the message is home, right?

No not really I tend to stick with actual projections from reputable organisations instead of a Kenyan with such a fragile ego about his country that he will make up is own figures on GDP

Shma2022:
Is English the problem?

"Will" expresses the future tense. I didn't say "I have never. "

Read to understand.

For clarity, I will never engage flat-earthers on their specific ideology.

ahhh ok, so does that mean you aint talking to your boy Saddam anymore?

jl115:
- It's not my fault you are a hypocrite and contradict your own arguments my bru, and that conversation is 100% relevant since it shows exactly what you claimed you never said.

- I said let Kenya catch up to Joburg before we compare it with Nairobi, that's what I said....Is Nairobi closing the gap? yes, will it overtake Joburg...probably not in our lifetime.

- That's not factual or logical since there are 0 facts to suggest that what you are claiming will happen will actually happen
- Then why don't you go and look at WB and IMF projections yourself instead of thumb sucking random figures?

- So according to you WB and IMF projections are nonsense and your "common sense" trumps the projections of organisations with millions of dollars in research funding?........... is that what you are saying?

- When you say something is in contrast to something else then you are still comparing....YOU compared Nairobi to Joburg, there is no disputing this.

- scrutinise it, there is no denying Zuma has screwed SA for more than a decade.

That's cool.

jl115:
ahhh ok, so does that mean you aint talking to your boy Saddam anymore?

I clarified, read well.

jl115:
No not really I tend to stick with actual projections from reputable organisations instead of a Kenyan with such a fragile ego about his country that he will make up is own figures on GDP

That's cool.

vaxx:
forget botswana, gabrone is not better than takoradi.....


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lbfwqdcq9uk

Wei de3 me ne wo nnye adwen
Gaborone is ahead of Takoradi in many areas

vaxx:
forget botswana, gabrone is not better than takoradi.....


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lbfwqdcq9uk

This Nungua interchange is not looking bad at all

vankelvin:
This Nungua interchange is not looking bad at all

no this is some construction going on takoradi not the nungua in Accra

vankelvin:
Wei de3 me ne wo nnye adwen
Gaborone is ahead of Takoradi in many areas

gabrone lacks electricity, the most important life sustainer of humanity. Apart from abundant cows which I consider very good , I bet you Ghana is so advance than bostwana . Despite it's small population she is note even peaceful than Ghana.

I [b]am even suprised Ghana is not even among. Nigeria, I am proud of you.[/b]likewise tanzania.

Shma2022:
That's cool.

yeah.... Facts are cool man

vaxx:
I [b]am even suprised Ghana is not even among. Nigeria, I am proud of you.[/b]likewise tanzania.

Bullshit

Shma2022:
I clarified, read well.

Yeah so you giving me sh1t when you have done exactly the same.... How does that logic work?