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Re: Forex Trade Alerts: Season 23 by meshpips(m): 3:32am On Feb 18, 2023 |
HumbleTrader: Okay sir I have heard your recommendation. Well, I got on the USDJPY and here is what it is looking like right now. Talk is cheap. I need traders that can show me real trades. Maybe you think I have been playing these past 16 years that I have been trading.
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Re: Forex Trade Alerts: Season 23 by meshpips(m): 3:53am On Feb 18, 2023 |
Let's try to re-orient the mind of a few traders in this space that are ready to listen and learn. It is well known that 90% of traders will lose 90% of their trading capital within 90 trading days. Why do you think there is such a high rate of failure in this industry? Which profession can we call the most difficult? Now check the failure rate of that profession. Let's talk about Medicine . . . the graduation rate in US schools has a lower band of around 81% (meaning less than 20% fail to graduate in Medical Schools in the US). A screenshot is attached to substantiate this fact. Now compare 20% failure rate to what we see in the financial markets. I hope we all can clearly see that something is very terribly wrong with the FX industry. I am very aware that people that are not cerebral will not want to come anywhere near the FX market. Most traders I have met are very intelligent people. It is needless to say that I finished with straight "A"s in secondary school. I finished as the Senior Prefect (Head Boy) in my set. i went on to get a degree in Mechanical Engineering yet the market showed me shege for many years. Our dear @gabsonfx also known as @pipsbasketing is a first class graduate of Engineering. He attempted to trade solely for a living and relocated to Nigeria from Canada. The market showed him shege! I can go on and on with stories of very erudite people that the market has shown shege. Now think about this . . . if they have been telling us the truth about the market from the start why then do so many people fail? So I went on a journey of doing the reverse of what they instruct us. I turned the trend lines in the opposite way, checked the inverse of price quotes and did all sorts of things to see where the truth could be. Let me not make this post too lengthy. I will post another shortly on how I started using volume. 3 Likes
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Re: Forex Trade Alerts: Season 23 by meshpips(m): 4:11am On Feb 18, 2023 |
Alright, let's continue this "real" talk with meshpips. I tried my hands on just about anything and everything you can think of in this market (maybe with the exception of a very few things). I never studied too much about Elliot Wave, Point and Figure and Renko but just about any other method of technical analysis that you can think of, I have very well grounded and deep knowledge yet the market was still using my white designers shirt to wipe yansh! One day, I thought to myself 'what if volume is where the answer to the market lies" what if they told us that it is useless because they don't want us to know the truth? My people, professional traders the world over use VWAP (Volume Weighted Average Price). See the bolded? Volume abi? So @humbletrader never even sabi anything yet. He posted a message with good intention but he is very ignorant of the truth. What about market profile? There is volume profile used by professional traders and it is one of the subject to study in the CME scheme of work. Volume Spread Analysis (VSA) is another method used by many professional traders. Tom William's book "Master The Market" dwells on this extensively. Other volume studies like Ord volume exist. I was particularly intrigued by VSA (Volume Spread Analysis) because the approach was something I could relate with - a cause and effect relationship. They looked at volume and then the spread or (range = high - low) of the candle. When big volume is seen but a small range/spread they know something is happening just like the converse where there is little volume but the candle's spread/range is wide. May God bless Tom Williams of blessed memory for his work in writing that book. This is getting rather lengthy. Hmmnnnn . . . let me stop again. 5 Likes |
Re: Forex Trade Alerts: Season 23 by meshpips(m): 4:32am On Feb 18, 2023 |
Real Talk With meshpips part 3 I was privileged to get sponsored to take SMB capital's course in stocks some 10 years ago. A course that was worth about $6,000 as at that time. We learnt a lot. I had been hearing about the "tape" but never really knew what it was. Well after taking the course and in the process of being trained I saw it first hand on the DAS trader (our execution software). Charting was done on TC2000 by Worden brothers. A part of the DAS trader always showed the VWAP (Volume Weighted Average Price) for the stock being traded at any time. I got curious about VWAP and started studying about it. I broke it down and studied it from first principles like we do in Engineering. I noticed a big error they were making (not exactly an error but something that will greatly reduce the accuracy of VWAP values). They used the typical price (HLC/3) as the average price point for each candle. I could tell that this was a very big mistake. So I went on a journey into using other method to get something which in my opinion will be more accurate. This was how I started my journey into my mathematical technique called VAP (Volume Adjusted Price). I will be honest with you guys, the logic behind VAP were God-given instructions. Only my wife knows this first hand because she was with me that first night as God (by His Spirit) gave me the instructions on what to do. Volume as given on metatrader is useless EXCEPT you can distinguish between buy and sell volume in any given period. Every candlestick has buyers and sellers in it. Some are 100% buy or sell. If you don't know how to sort out buy from sell volume in a candle, you won't get proper result when using volume. Sorting out this buy/sell volume will let you know what the NET (or effective) volume is and aggregating this value as each period passes is the building block of my VAP method. It has been six years since I have been working on the VAP technique and it keeps getting better and more robust with each passing day. In closing I will say, there exists three (3) variables on the price chart: 1. Price 2. Time and 3. Volume (or quantity traded) Price is nothing without volume!!!! I rest my case. 4 Likes |
Re: Forex Trade Alerts: Season 23 by meshpips(m): 5:16am On Feb 18, 2023 |
I talked about traders being highly cerebral people (very intelligent people). 1Corinthians 8 [1] Now as touching things offered unto idols, we know that we all have knowledge. Knowledge puffeth up, but charity edifieth. [2] And if any man think that he knoweth anything, he knoweth nothing yet as he ought to know. Now see the same verses in the amplified translation Now about food sacrificed to idols, we know that we all have knowledge [concerning this]. Knowledge [alone] makes [people self-righteously] arrogant, but love [that unselfishly seeks the best for others] builds up and encourages others to grow [in wisdom]. 2 If anyone imagines that he knows and understands anything [of divine matters, without love], he has not yet known as he ought to know. Once I see a proud trader, I have seen one with whom the market still needs to process even further. Pride needs to leave before you will start achieving anything in this market. See how humble boss @infofirst is? That is a man that has graduated from the school of hard knocks. A very well refined gentleman. 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Forex Trade Alerts: Season 23 by HumbleTrader: 5:29am On Feb 18, 2023 |
meshpips:It's not a competition, I have nothing to gain from your success or failure, I'm just trying to help. 1. Stock Exchange market is different from Foreign Exchange. 2. Volume is useless in Foreign Exchange because the volume is based on your broker, different broker, different volume, expect you can gain access to the volume of all the traders on earth you're decieving yourself with that thing on your phone. 4. You do not need a volume Indicators to know the overall direction of the market and that's because. 3. Volume isn't everything, market makers might make you think there's a lot of buy power only for you to buy, and they cancel their order and enter a sell trade, hitting your stop loss as they profit from your bias. 2 Likes |
Re: Forex Trade Alerts: Season 23 by Piptocoin: 6:16am On Feb 18, 2023 |
HumbleTrader: You know nothing about volume. Nothing. |
Re: Forex Trade Alerts: Season 23 by meshpips(m): 6:17am On Feb 18, 2023 |
HumbleTrader: My brother, lower the microphone or just kuku off am. Sincerely, you are simply ignorant of the truth. I know that you have good intent but you are ignorant. Please try to learn in silence. Think am, no insult intended . . . If a fool keeps mute, he may be considered to be wise but once he speaks, we don confirm say na fool. Just try to learn in silence okay? 1 Like |
Re: Forex Trade Alerts: Season 23 by HumbleTrader: 6:23am On Feb 18, 2023 |
Piptocoin:If you have a counter argument let's hear it, otherwise you're just being rude. This is an interactive platform, where traders come and discuss, I see no reason for being hostile. 3 Likes
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Re: Forex Trade Alerts: Season 23 by HumbleTrader: 6:42am On Feb 18, 2023 |
meshpips:You are gradually becoming what you complain about, always try to stay positive. meshpips: 1 Like |
Re: Forex Trade Alerts: Season 23 by Piptocoin: 7:02am On Feb 18, 2023 |
HumbleTrader: There are hundreds and hundreds of traders who trade using only volume indicator like I do. Wyckoff and Tom Williams are some of the people who intorduced the use of volume to the markets. The late Tom Williams of blessed memory was the father of Volume Spread Analysis. He always said that tick volume can be used in the absence of regular volume. Have you heard names like Sebastian Mamby. Anna Coulling, Todd Kreuger and Adrian Manz? They are good traders who use volume in their trading. At forexfactory you will find people like HiddenGap, Malcolmb14, Pres78, Anotan, Cyberforex, who trade forex using the tick volume indicator. At Traderslaboratory forum you will find threads dedicated to using volume as a trading tool. That you cannot use it does not make it a tool resulting from manufacturer's error. 4 Likes |
Re: Forex Trade Alerts: Season 23 by PrinceofWallstr(m): 7:13am On Feb 18, 2023 |
HumbleTrader:Wisdom is profitable, there is no right or wrong in trading, as a matter of fact the man that got the highest payout from FTMO ($500k) uses Volume, Macd,COT and other tech indicators , these are trading tools you guys criticize alot. My good friend I met on Reddit uses Vwap, this is someone that is managing investors fund ranging from $1m to $2m. You should learn to respect people's ways/styles of trading, if you have your holy grail strategy you shouldn't have been here begging for funding. 8 Likes |
Re: Forex Trade Alerts: Season 23 by kendoschurrle(m): 7:14am On Feb 18, 2023 |
HumbleTrader: you get point but you dey miss something. the bolded part na true BUT the calculation and results wey you go arrive at na roughly the same just like support and resistance or pivot zones dey different by a few pips for some platforms but the movement dey be the same still las las make everybody use wetin dey work for them 1 Like |
Re: Forex Trade Alerts: Season 23 by kendoschurrle(m): 7:19am On Feb 18, 2023 |
PrinceofWallstr: omo if you see the simple strategy people dey use make money for this thing you go come dey wonder why you dey break ya head since 4 Likes |
Re: Forex Trade Alerts: Season 23 by HumbleTrader: 7:21am On Feb 18, 2023 |
Piptocoin: Read this blog post from mql5. https://www.mql5.com/en/blogs/post/741311 1. The volume Indicator differs from brokers to brokers, this will lead to false analysis. 2. I'm not saying don't use volume, but use only market makers volume, as they have access to the overall volume in Foreign Exchange 1 Like |
Re: Forex Trade Alerts: Season 23 by meshpips(m): 7:29am On Feb 18, 2023 |
Let me give a simple (but extreme) example of the importance of volume (or quantity traded). I bought 100 units of share XYZ at $30 per unit Then added an extra 1,000 units at $100 per share. How much is the AVERAGE cost per unit ? Now see the same question if I discard volume (quantity). I bought share XYZ at $30 then again at $100. How much is my average cost per share? Work out the answer and let's talk a bit more. |
Re: Forex Trade Alerts: Season 23 by HumbleTrader: 7:31am On Feb 18, 2023 |
PrinceofWallstr:I make use of an EA to trade, as my trading technique only bring in small profit, so more fund, more profit. I get your point, but what's the purpose of the thread if we can't have discussions like these. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Forex Trade Alerts: Season 23 by BrightFuture48: 7:35am On Feb 18, 2023 |
UrVillagePpl:That's essence of joining their discord channel in the first place. You will have enough information you need. Go to competition server you will more than enough info. Modified: #1. No any other requirements other registering on the website which you have done. #2. Previous context is on mt4 2 Likes |
Re: Forex Trade Alerts: Season 23 by TradingGod: 8:10am On Feb 18, 2023 |
HumbleTrader: The same EA that have sent so many people to trenches? we are here to make money together, it doesn't matter the strategy you use, as long as it gives you an edge in the market, you are good to go 👍 Some proffesional traders only uses simple support and resistance line to trade and they still made it big in the forex market So you see that the strategy doesn't matter, but what is really important in trading the forex market is your consistency in sticking to your rules while risking little. May the market continue to favour us all in Lord Jesus Name 🙏 6 Likes |
Re: Forex Trade Alerts: Season 23 by HumbleTrader: 8:32am On Feb 18, 2023 |
TradingGod:I wrote the EA myself, it follows my own trading strategy. Also support and resistance is not that simple, there's stop loss hunt and trend misdirection by market makers, while all these is going on you may be thinking it's your fault you're losing trade. Anyone who wants to know more about volume should watch this video, it shows you not all volume Indicator are useful, and how to trade with the right volume Indicator. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRfPJ_HbaYE 1 Like |
Re: Forex Trade Alerts: Season 23 by TradingGod: 8:38am On Feb 18, 2023 |
HumbleTrader: Every strategy is not 100% full proof That is why you must use your brain to risk little just incase the trade didn't go the way you plan By the way it would have been better if you came here to enlighten us on how to use EA for our advantage rather than arguing over an indicator 1 Like |
Re: Forex Trade Alerts: Season 23 by HumbleTrader: 9:03am On Feb 18, 2023 |
TradingGod:A written script is needed, the script basically tells the EA when to buy, when to sell, when to take profit, when to stop loss. EAs can also be use with indicators, such as telling the EA to buy everytime the fast moving average crosses the slow moving average. There are more information on the internet, some of them with practical examples, but I believe having a profitable strategy is more important, the EA can come later. 1 Like |
Re: Forex Trade Alerts: Season 23 by Piptocoin: 9:10am On Feb 18, 2023 |
HumbleTrader: One thing is we learn everyday regardless of our length of time of exposure to knowledge. This issue has actually being flogged and over-flogged. If I engage in it it would be going round a circle. In the absence of regular volume, tick volume can be used. Here is an excerpt from the master himself, the father of VSA, Tom Williams, from his book, Master the Markets: 1 Like
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Re: Forex Trade Alerts: Season 23 by TradingGod: 9:16am On Feb 18, 2023 |
HumbleTrader:yea, I agree with you that having a profitable strategy is one of the most important thing in trading. EA is more like a side hustle in trading 1 Like |
Re: Forex Trade Alerts: Season 23 by Geovanni412(m): 10:24am On Feb 18, 2023 |
meshpips: I don't trade volume But it's pure stupidity for me to say that it is useless in forex market but useful in stock market That makes no sense...price action is about reading price at supply and demand zones (support and resistance) There cannot be a support and resistance zone without a buy or sell volume - that is just common sense. 2 Likes |
Re: Forex Trade Alerts: Season 23 by greatcheer(f): 10:47am On Feb 18, 2023 |
meshpips: please sir mesh can you help me with the link for the mff of 89 dollar thanks in advance |
Re: Forex Trade Alerts: Season 23 by meshpips(m): 10:54am On Feb 18, 2023 |
greatcheer: It is not mff. Kindly send me a DM |
Re: Forex Trade Alerts: Season 23 by HumbleTrader: 12:42pm On Feb 18, 2023 |
Geovanni412:You clearly didn't watch the video. 1. Don't use Volume Indicator. 2. Instead use Volume Oscillator. Calmly go through the article, videos and screenshots.
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Re: Forex Trade Alerts: Season 23 by Geovanni412(m): 1:02pm On Feb 18, 2023 |
HumbleTrader: Alright, I'll go through the vids you sent 1 Like |
Re: Forex Trade Alerts: Season 23 by meshpips(m): 3:38pm On Feb 18, 2023 |
Proverbs 25:2 It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter. In the FX market, a lot of things are concealed (veiled or hidden). Do you believe that you can reign as Kings do? If yes, get to work and start searching until you find the truth. When searching for a lost bunch of keys, you turn the whole apartment right upside abi? Do the same to everything you have been told and refuse to give up until you find!!! 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Forex Trade Alerts: Season 23 by Eagba(m): 3:44pm On Feb 18, 2023 |
Piptocoin:bros I'm a fool in fx. abeg teach me how to use volume please 1 Like |
Re: Forex Trade Alerts: Season 23 by phemite194(m): 6:14pm On Feb 18, 2023 |
pipfisher: You see, I will say you are right about the above, but then this is sth peculiar to all brokers, we know by 10pm due to the present timezone, the spread is always wide, it is advisable not to trade during those period, another time we have spread widening is during news event which brings me to one of my rules not to trade an hour before news release..... Slippage as well is common to all brokers...so if you ask me, I won't call those manipulations but it's ok if you call it manipulations.... The main message I was trying to pass is that me taking GBPUSD buy for instance and just because beyond all reasonable doubt I believe it to buy and for it to happen otherwise, I now call it manipulation... This is the reason why I said manipulation does not happen .. 1 Like |
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