gidgiddy:


That to show how low Nigeria the standard of Nigeria is

Can anyone imagine if it were UK, US, Japan that some who had a drug forfeiture case were to put himself up to be President?

It would have been an insult

By the way the US embassy is not the criminal justice department of the United states.

There is a reason Joe Biden didn't congratulate the drug baron

IDENNAA:


Not necessarily true. A forfeiture may happen after a defendant had been charged, which will make it a fine.

It's like bargaining for a jail sentence and prison. That's how America works...if you have a lot of money you can bargain with the prosecutors and go free. Tinubu paid the fine to get out of jail time.

If he was innocent and didn't operate a criminal account used to hide money for drug barons say the money was deposited to his account without his knowledge he wouldn't have bargained for the fine

Keep arguing blindly go and research about civic forfeiture

US Law enforcement agencies can seize your assets with civic forfeiture without charging you for any crimes.

But after the seizure you can go and challenge it at the court, so if you later go to court to challenge the seizure does that mean the law enforcement agencies have charged you for any crimes ?

Read my post again slowly.

Most of you Obedients believe US law enforcement agencies can't confiscate your property without charging you for any crimes.

Oga my thinking is different from yours firstly you can't "outrigg" a very popular candidate secondly the difference between the three major contenders as you can see was between a few Million"s" to over half a million votes difference. This I knew before the election. Finally majority is always wrong that is also my opinion. Like I said earlier in a post even though am biased towards Peter obi the system is Just not right and as you can see majority carried the day. Am I making any sense.

IDENNAA:


Its disappointing to hear a person say they stayed away from election. I dont take people like you seriously. So who do you expect to fix Nigeria?

Workch:
Even if he's civil forteiture, he's still criminal.
Civil forteiture is for criminals who don't reside bythr united States or cannot be reached by thr government as at the time when the legal process was happening hence the property will be the defendant instead of the person. So he remains a criminal that cannot be accessed

How can he be a criminal if he was never charged for any crime ?

who told you civic forfeiture is for criminals who don't reside in the US?

Did you read my post and the various example of civic forfeiture cases listed there ? lol

He was a criminal but the US Government only seized 460,000$ out of 1.4 million dollars ?


why would they let him got half of the money if he was truly guilty ?

Because Tinubu have nuke like Russia and China ?

helinues:


It's time to clear the ignorance of that baseless discussion.

Tinubu wasn't even involved directly in the drug case, as at that time, he was more like an exchanger. Naira to USD, USD to Naira. Anybody can be your clients, how they source their money is none of your business.

The money forfeited was for the drug money deposited into Tinubu's account as an exchanger which was meant for a client.

According to Festus Keyamo, Tinubu was living in the same flat with the drug baron but did not know their occupation.

From your account, Tinubu was not just living in the same flat with them but assisted them in changing currency .

A matured man cannot be living in the same room with a lady yet claiming he is not sleeping with her.

Tinubu cannot be living in the same flat with drug barons and exchanging currency for them yet claiming he is not into drug business.

Meaning Atiku has stepped down for Peter obi after defeating Peter obi with over half a million votes. Oga how old are you?

blacksam01:


Atiku and obi are together..they deliberately shared the prayers aat court...atiku which has all the PU results will challenge the election unit by unit then obi goes for the fundamentals.....

Atiku is aiming to prove that obi won also...

Elemosho478:


How can he be a criminal if he was never charged for any crime ?

who told you civic forfeiture is for criminals who don't reside in the US?

Did you read my post and the various example of civic forfeiture cases listed there ? lol

He was a criminal but the US Government only seized 460,000$ out of 1.4 million dollars ?


why would they let him got half of the money if he was truly guilty ?

Because Tinubu have nuke like Russia and China ?

do you have issues reading the picture that I posted?

Parachoko:
There's nothing to take to court

I'm just stating the facts.

Asiwaju Lawyers will state the facts too and Obi case will be thrown inside the dustbin

The facts indeed.

Were you not the one who claimed SeniorWriter scammed you?

dis thread don strong!
nah lawyers & barristers full hia now...

I better find my level!

Parachoko:
The US embassy have made it clear Asiwaju was never found guilty of any drug related case in the USA.

Asiwaju court case in the US happened more than 25 years ago and is not within the jurisdiction of Nigeria.

The tribunal go throw away this particular case.

25 years or 50 years is not relevant
The key issue is was he convicted yes or no
I have not YET seen evidence of conviction maybe that will come when case opens

Parachoko:
In the USA, if there's enough evidence a person is a drug dealer, Jail term and losing almost everything one is acquired is sure.

One can't just get an easy judgement in a drug related case in the USA

https://www.google.com/amp/s/sunnewsonline.com/letter-exonerating-tinubu-from-drug-cases-in-us-resurfaces/%3famp

Tinubu was never prosecuted for a drug related issue in the USA neither has he been found guilty of commiting any crime in the USA.

it wasn't like that then, Involvement was never denied, I believe u did ur research very well on this case, it's a very strong one

gidgiddy:


That to show how low Nigeria the standard of Nigeria is

Can anyone imagine if it were UK, US, Japan that some who had a drug forfeiture case were to put himself up to be President?

It would have been an insult

But you can make the argument without the UK ,US reference showing inferiority complex
Trump was no saint
,neither was Bill Clinton.
There is no nation of saints
We have had scandals with world leaders Kohl,Sarkozy in Japan and Israel etc
If Tinubu is unqualified we can and should sort it
Referencing those countries is ignorant
They are not cleaner than us
For years Abacha loot keeps coming out could it have been there without their knowledge
Atiku was not clean. He had scandals in the US too but Obi was happy to be his running mate
Obi himself has Pandora issues

The same principle should apply to all of them
Let the courts decide

Workch:
Even if he's civil forteiture, he's still criminal.
Civil forteiture is for criminals who don't reside bythr united States or cannot be reached by thr government as at the time when the legal process was happening hence the property will be the defendant instead of the person. So he remains a criminal that cannot be accessed

You are the one not reading my post

You think Tinubu not being in USA would stop US government from filing a criminal charge against him if they have strong evidence to prove it?

and you think they would let him get more than half of his money back from the Civic forfeiture if they have enough evidence to nailed and confiscate the whole 1.4 million dollars? You think they would let him get 1$ out of the total funds of 1.4million seized if he was really guilty ? . You think US government is that generous and benevolent ?

You guys are lost cause

Parachoko:
What happen in the USA is none of Nigeria business.

Is that so?

Why then is Fatade Olamilekan who last travelled willfully to Nigeria is now in the US?

Some of the things you put out here seem to come off the wrong end of your alimentary canal

Elemosho478:

You think they would let him get more than half of his money back from the Civic forfeiture if they have enough evidence to nailed and confiscate the whole 1.4 million dollars.

Please explain in clear terms, what would make an innocent man forfeit his hard -earned funds?

Elemosho478:



You are the one not reading my post

You think Tinubu not being in USA would stop US government from filing a criminal charge against him if they have strong evidence to prove it?

and you think they would let him get more than half of his money back from the Civic forfeiture if they have enough evidence to nailed and confiscate the whole 1.4 million dollars? You think they would let him get 1$ out of the total funds of 1.4million seized if he was really guilty ? . You think US government is that generous and benevolent ?

You guys are lost cause

he remains a criminals that Connot be accessed hence civil forfeiture

DesChyko:


Please explain in clear terms, what would make an innocent man forfeit his hard -earned funds?

Go and read about civic forfeiture in the United States

The problem with you guys is you have been brainwashed to believe US have a perfect Judicial system

Police abuse of civil asset forfeiture laws has shaken our nation’s conscience. Civil forfeiture allows police to seize — and then keep or sell — any property they allege is involved in a crime. Owners need not ever be arrested or convicted of a crime for their cash, cars, or even real estate to be taken away permanently by the government.

https://www.aclu.org/issues/criminal-law-reform/reforming-police/asset-forfeiture-abuse

Workch:
he remains a criminals that Connot be accessed hence civil forfeiture

How can you call him a criminal when he was never charge for any crime ?

Keep grasping at straws

Police abuse of civil asset forfeiture laws has shaken our nation’s conscience. Civil forfeiture allows police to seize — and then keep or sell — any property they allege is involved in a crime. Owners need not ever be arrested or convicted of a crime for their cash, cars, or even real estate to be taken away permanently by the government.
https://www.aclu.org/issues/criminal-law-reform/reforming-police/asset-forfeiture-abuse

Workch:
he remains a criminals that Connot be accessed hence civil forfeiture

His absence from the United state won't stop them from filing charges against him if they have enough evidence to.

They can use civic forfeiture against his assets and still file charges against him as a criminal if they have the evidence, even if he is not available in the US.

skj1377:
But atiku came second. How does this case help Obi become president

u no jst get sense...as if u didnt knw the figures were all manipulated...ozuoh!

Forfeiture plus vital info cut him a slack. There was an Agreement and they probably gave him their word.


The dude simply Rat, that is why he is here now.
If you know, You know. DEA will not help cos of the Agreements. There is no case here best believe that, it’s a grey area.

Elemosho478:

Civil forfeiture allows police to seize — and then keep or sell — any property they allege is involved in a crime. Owners need not ever be arrested or convicted of a crime for their cash, cars, or even real estate to be taken away permanently by the government.

You're talking about civil forfeiture abuse, not civil forfeiture per se. I take it you made a mistake up there but that"s by the way. We could even talk about the different proofs required by 'US States' leading to forfeiture, Illinois in particular and if this was met. We could also talk about plea bargain deals and how publicised they could be.

Are you saying it for a fact (with evidence) that Tinubu is a victim of civil forfeiture abuse in the drug case?

skj1377:
But atiku came second. How does this case help Obi become president

If a fresh election is conducted without Tinubu on the ballot (as Obi is asking for), He will likely defeat Atiku as he is poised to clear SS, SE, SW and NC, while Atiku and Kwankwanso will drag NE and NW






We learn everyday.

skj1377:
But atiku came second. How does this case help Obi become president

even atiku went to court asking that obi be declared the winner , everyone knows who won and it ain't tinubu

Parachoko:
The US embassy have made it clear Asiwaju was never found guilty of any drug related case in the USA.

Asiwaju court case in the US happened more than 25 years ago and is not within the jurisdiction of Nigeria.

The tribunal go throw away this particular case.

I wonder what always excites these obidient folks. They read the law and give it an interpretation that suits them thinking that the law runs with emotions. Tinubu was indicted and not convicted neither was he fined. Legally, there’s a different between an indictment and a conviction. In the case in question, after the indictment, parties decided to settle out of court and agreed that the sum of 450,000 dollars found in his account be forfeited.

Forfeiture is different from a fine. A fine arises after a conviction whereby the court can ask the accused to pay as an option for a term sentence. A fine can only be imposed after a trial is completed in which the accused was declared guilty.

Someone should show us the judgement where the term “conviction” or “sentence” was used in the case against Tinubu.

So the section cited doesn’t apply to Tinubu

Elemosho478:




You guys are so ignorant lol

goggle about civic forfeiture in the United States

Na your papa be ignorant

Workch:
I suspect that too however, the second part says any court. It didn't specify whether it should be a court in Nigeria

read the whole article you posted, you will see your answer

pafra:


Before you make opinion public think very well. You can answer this question. He has intellectual working with him.

Remember USA are yet to congratulate BAT. Interesting days ahead.

Modify

I have just carefully gone through this Peter Obi’s election petition and I have come to the conclusion that Peter Obi is the most dangerous man in this here country called Nigeria.

Not only is he challenging the fraud for an election, but he is putting the entire country on trial for allowing a drug baron qualify to run and thereafter proceeded to rig the election.

Tinubu has for the longest refused to address his drug past and because of that, he refused to attend unscripted interviews and INEC and the Nigerian courts refused to disqualify him even when it was obvious that he has a drug past. The storm is now gathering!

Fast forward to “GO TO COURT”.. Peter Obi has now placed Tinubu’s drug records front and center of his petition by front loading the certified true copies of his drug related asset forfeiture as required by the evidence act and stating that Tinubu ought not to have been qualified to stand for the election.

The twist is that since PO is not the author of the said document, someone from the US justice department must be subpoenaed to be led in evidence to present the document in court and I am 1000% sure that the US department of Justice has assured PO’s lawyers that with a subpoena, they will fly in DEA special Agent Moss to come authenticate the Tinubu’s drug related forfeiture court documents.

Perhaps Nigeria is about to be jolted on an international level embarrassment that will be beamed worldwide. This was avoidable if Nigerian courts had done the needful by disqualifying Tinubu!

APC members of this forum should get ready to watch the DEA special agent Moss who arrested Tinubu testify in the tribunal about Tinubu’s drug past and we will assess how the criminal minded Nigerian judges will surmount that embarrassment and still rule that Tinubu is qualified.

OBI FANS AND SELF DECEPTION, KAI.

MikeofAfrica:


According to Festus Keyamo, Tinubu was living in the same flat with the drug baron but did not know their occupation.

From your account, Tinubu was not just living in the same flat with them but assisted them in changing currency .

A matured man cannot be living in the same room with a lady yet claiming he is not sleeping with her.

Tinubu cannot be living in the same flat with drug barons and exchanging currency for them yet claiming he is not into drug business.

not the same room,
He said the same address

helinues:


It's time to clear the ignorance of that baseless discussion.

Tinubu wasn't even involved directly in the drug case, as at that time, he was more like an exchanger. Naira to USD, USD to Naira. Anybody can be your clients, how they source their money is none of your business.

The money forfeited was for the drug money deposited into Tinubu's account as an exchanger which was meant for a client.

It's d same thing na . He is involved.. y dint dey deposit the money in my account den? Be a honest person for once in ur life