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b4ball:
Today the EU is a defacto military alliance. It is the economic arm of NATO. It has and is still pulling resources together from member states to buy ammunitions for Ukraine. It has also helped lead the economic assault on Russia on behalf of NATO/US. Wars are fought and won on many fronts namely; economics, media, alliances, and real combat. The EU has led the economic front on the side of Ukraine as well as arming Ukraine.

Same goes for BRICS, it has also fought on the side of Russia on the economic side. This is the reason the EU/US economic assault and isolation failed. Russia was able to diversify its economics from the EU to BRICS, mostly India and China. They funded Russia by becoming the largest buyers of their energy and taking over economic activities vacated by the west. This ensures Russia continues to fund the war and run its economics effectively. So the economic assault failed thanks to BRICS, same as the isolation war.

Now NATO is the undisputed largest military alliance. CSTO is dwarfed in terms of budget, geography, logistics and will be routed in a conventional confrontation. But will there ever be a direct confrontation between even Russia and NATO? The answer is a resounding NO!

The best NATO will ever dare against a country like Russia is proxy war, because there is a doctrine called MAD! A direct confrontation will be nuclear because Russia does not stand a conventional chance. Trust me, no NATO nation, not even the US will risk a nuclear exchange. NATO will not even dare India directly because it’s nuclear armed.

Ask yourself why despite being a 30 member alliance, it refrained from sending troops, but was quick to do so in Yugoslavia and Libya? Was NATO attacked first via article 5 by these nations? Because they understand that Russia will be flattened, but so will be Washington, New York, London and all of Western Europe!

Lol... so nobody wan die.

I will prefer almost every country has nuke, so countries will be respecting each other...

People seem to forget the fact that the risk is both ways. For example, two people pointing a gun at each other bears the same risk of being shot. So Finland joining Nato doesn't endanger Russiaś's security, it also endangers Finlandś's security. It's mirroring.

Secondly, it's not about the country joining nato, it's about the realistic scenario in the event of war. Finland joining nato poses not many security issues for Russia, because in the unlikely event of a war, where will Finland invade from?

Even though Finland shares over 1300km of land border with Russia, the area is mostly frozen arctic wasteland. Invasion can never come from there. It's almost impossible to stage an invasive force there.

It is also a reason why Russia didn't care when the three baltic states (Latvia, Estonia, Lithuania) joined nato even if they share a border with Russia. Simply because the terrain, geography, population, etc makes them useless in the bloc.

Apart from funding nato, buying US weapons, and political rallying, these baltic and Balkan countries in Nato are no threat at all. Check out the ´´suwalki gap´´. In the event of a war, Russia would blockade it, and the baltic states will just be cut off from the EU landmass, making them irrelevant.

But the case of Ukraine is very different. In fact, Ukraine is the jackpot and the biggest insult to Russia. Ukraine is heavily populated and has no natural barriers to Russia. For example, the past invasions from Napoleon France, to Hitler Germany all came through Ukraine.

If Ukraine is in Nato, then the stage is set for Russia to be invaded again, and this time may be defeated since your enemies have planned with past failures. This is the reality on the ground.

So Russia will take all the beating now, because if Ukraine joined Nato, then the consequence will be worse. Sanctions are temporary, but to be defeated and to seize existence as a country is permanent. For example, missiles shot from Ukraine will leave Russia no time to respond.

And judging US behavior of always stationing nuclear weapons in Nato countries, it's obvious if Ukraine joins Nato, it will host US nuclear weapons. And guess who will be the target, Russia of course.

One thing that is priceless is your autonomy, your sovereignty, and your independence. Pay any price to secure it, otherwise, you do not exist at all.

pansophist:
People seem to forget the fact that the risk is both ways. For example, two people pointing a gun at each other bears the same risk of being shot. So Finland joining Nato doesn't endanger Russiaś's security, it also endangers Finlandś's security. It's mirroring.

Secondly, it's not about the country joining nato, it's about the realistic scenario in the event of war. Finland joining nato poses not many security issues for Russia, because in the unlikely event of a war, where will Finland invade from?

Even though Finland shares over 1300km of land border with Russia, the area is mostly frozen arctic wasteland. Invasion can never come from there. It's almost impossible to stage an invasive force there.

It is also a reason why Russia didn't care when the three baltic states (Latvia, Estonia, Lithuania) joined nato even if they share a border with Russia. Simply because the terrain, geography, population, etc makes them useless in the bloc.

Apart from funding nato, buying US weapons, and political rallying, these baltic and Balkan countries in Nato are no threat at all. Check out the ´´suwalki gap´´. In the event of a war, Russia would blockade it, and the baltic states will just be cut off from the EU landmass, making them irrelevant.

But the case of Ukraine is very different. In fact, Ukraine is the jackpot and the biggest insult to Russia. Ukraine is heavily populated and has no natural barriers to Russia. For example, the past invasions from Napoleon France, to Hitler Germany all came through Ukraine.

If Ukraine is in Nato, then the stage is set for Russia to be invaded again, and this time may be defeated since your enemies have planned with past failures. This is the reality on the ground.

So Russia will take all the beating now, because if Ukraine joined Nato, then the consequence will be worse. Sanctions are temporary, but to be defeated and to seize existence as a country is permanent. For example, missiles shot from Ukraine will leave Russia no time to respond.

And judging US behavior of always stationing nuclear weapons in Nato countries, it's obvious if Ukraine joins Nato, it will host US nuclear weapons. And guess who will be the target, Russia of course.

One thing that is priceless is your autonomy, your sovereignty, and your independence. Pay any price to secure it, otherwise, you do not exist at all.

I think Ukraine is technically in NATO. Russia is technically a China domain. Russia is already running a war economy..NATO has not spent 5% of her budget in Ukraine. China is benefiting from the war more..A weakened Russia is good China as a partner. You cannot have 2 masters in a boat. If China doesn't take drastic steps to stop the war, the whole world would burn..Wars benefit no one.

Jokerman:
Lol... so nobody wan die.

I will prefer almost every country has nuke, so countries will be respecting each other...

Having nuke in this modern era is like having a very powerful army, no nation with it's right thinking sense would want to attack you.

Sevenworldpower:
I think Ukraine is technically in NATO. Russia is technically a China domain. Russia is already running a war economy..NATO has not spent 5% of her budget in Ukraine. China is benefiting from the war more..A weakened Russia is good China as a partner. You cannot have 2 masters in a boat. If China doesn't take drastic steps to stop the war, the whole world would burn..Wars benefit no one.

That is the American/western narrative. China should help stop the war because they already sense defeat in Ukraine? China is not looking for a master slave relationship. Both China and Russia are against US hegemony and it’s the US that fears this tag team happening, hence the narrative that Russia will be a junior partner in it.

As for the war? Ukraine is destroyed. As for rebuilding, ask Iraqis how far theirs have gone. Russia is not yet running a war economy either because they did not order general mobilization of its men and industries, something Ukraine has totally expended.

Lastly, there is nothing like technically in NATO, (does NATO/Russia council also mean Russia is technically in NATO? NATO will never boldly intervene. This proxy is the best even if the war goes on forever. It was a defeat for NATO in Ukraine, to avoid total humiliation, they want china to broker peace so that it doesn’t look like it was initiated by them. Get used to it, NATO lost. And there will never be a conventional confrontation between Russia and NATO.

The next offensive by Ukraine will be its last. It has done 4 full mobilizations, expended all its legions and conscripted even disabled. After the next offensive which even the US estimates will not give it victory, we would have arrived at the last Ukrainian. Because even if you were to give them weapons, there will be no one to man them.

b4ball:
That is the American/western narrative. China should help stop the war because they already sense defeat in Ukraine? China is not looking for a master slave relationship. Both China and Russia are against US hegemony and it’s the US that fears this tag team happening, hence the narrative that Russia will be a junior partner in it.

As for the war? Ukraine is destroyed. As for rebuilding, ask Iraqis how far theirs have gone. Russia is not yet running a war economy either because they did not order general mobilization of its men and industries, something Ukraine has totally expended.

Lastly, there is nothing like technically in NATO, (does NATO/Russia council also mean Russia is technically in NATO? NATO will never boldly intervene. This proxy is the best even if the war goes on forever. It was a defeat for NATO in Ukraine, to avoid total humiliation, they want china to broker peace so that it doesn’t look like it was initiated by them. Get used to it, NATO lost. And there will never be a conventional confrontation between Russia and NATO.

The next offensive by Ukraine will be its last. It has done 4 full mobilizations, expended all its legions and conscripted even disabled. After the next offensive which even the US estimates will not give it victory, we would have arrived at the last Ukrainian. Because even if you were to give them weapons, there will be no one to man them.

Yes daddy

Sevenworldpower:
Yes daddy

Good boy😂!

mysticwarrior:
Having nuke in this modern era is like having a very powerful army, no nation with it's right thinking sense would want to attack you.

Yes, and there will be peace....

mysticwarrior:
Having nuke in this modern era is like having a very powerful army, no nation with it's right thinking sense would want to attack you.

Exactly. No one attacks a nuclear power directly. Even Russia would not have dared Ukraine if it was still nuclear armed. Nukes are the surest guarantee for peace and stability.