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Nwoke aka wiseman, are u disputing d fact that Jesus Christ is d Son of God?

Jimmythewise:
While your own history is displayed before your very eyes, you choose to still drag the history of the Israelites and their gods into this. Continue wallowing in your slave mind.

richie240:
Nwoke aka wiseman, are u disputing d fact that Jesus Christ is d Son of God?

What will your forefathers 300 years ago say this? Keep putting your neck on the line in the name of Jesus for Jihadists to cut through with their sword.

1. Browse your statistics and tell me the percentage of christians in Israel as of today.


2. Tell me the history of your own people dating 2000years back.

Maxxim:
How do you guys comes up with this shit, your unrealistic moves to twist history to your narrative is just too obvious.
Facts is just same way the macedonia defeats the egyptian, does that mean they are now the natives and original settlers ?
The Benin's are external force who only defeated the yoruba natives so they could keep them under their jurisdiction for taxes and trades, if the Benin's actually owns Lagos we should have different towns and homes in isale eko with Benin's title isn't it?

When the British took over Lagos, Lagos was flooded with migrants, mostly local fugitive slaves and foreign freed slaves like the Brazilian slaves.
What happened to Lagos is just like what happened to some Arabian countries with small population in which the number of migrant workers is now more than twice the number of aboriginals.
I repeat and I do so with proof, Lagos was part of Benin. Benin in the 1400's was very different from today. It was a large multilingual country whose capital was named "Benin city" by the European visitors on their maps.
Benin was civilised and had great architecture and military, it was a real powerful country.
You can look at precolonial maps and texts to see what our region looked like hundreds of years ago.
There is a reason why the body of water is called Bight of Benin, that was the precolonial reality.

The problem with many people like you is that you lack the ability to do historical research and you believe that what you see today will necessarily tell you what you had hundreds of years ago. That is not how history works.
European explorers have had this same logical problem, they visited a city in medieval America, then some other European explorers came back to the same site hundreds of years later and found no city, they then concluded that the earlier explorers were lying.
But in reality (as it was discovered 1 hundred years later), the people of the city died of diseases in great numbers and the remanants migrated elsewhere and then vegetation outgrew the city, you had to use scientific means to see signs of the city. The world is not static, looking at a place today won't tell you it's past, you have to actually do the efforts and do competent research, which I did.

Maxxim:
How do you guys comes up with this shit, your unrealistic moves to twist history to your narrative is just too obvious.
Facts is just same way the macedonia defeats the egyptian, does that mean they are now the natives and original settlers ?
The Benin's are external force who only defeated the yoruba natives so they could keep them under their jurisdiction for taxes and trades, if the Benin's actually owns Lagos we should have different towns and homes in isale eko with Benin's title isn't it?

Was also thinking if truly the binis owned Lagos,considering the distance between them, Binis influence should have been more profound between ondo,Ogun and other Lagos neighboring SW states


Cause those days, empires tend to spread their influence around an already conquered territory, just as Xerxes of Persia and Alexander the great did their across Asia minors, Europe and Egypt

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DevilsEqual:
Was also thinking if truly the binis owned Lagos,considering the distance between them, Binis influence should have been more profound between ondo,Ogun and other Lagos neighboring SW states


Cause those days, empires tend to spread their influence around an already conquered territory, just as Xerxes of Persia and Alexander the great did their across Asia minors, Europe and Egypt

I literally showed a precolonial map which shows Lagos and it's environs were part of Benin.
Also even ondo monarchs admit their domain was part of Benin. You guys just chose to blind yourselves like fanatics.

Ghostwon82221:
When the British took over Lagos, Lagos was flooded with migrants, mostly local fugitive slaves and foreign freed slaves like the Brazilian slaves.
What happened to Lagos is just like what happened to some Arabian countries with small population in which the number of migrant workers is now more than twice the number of aboriginals.
I repeat and I do so with proof, Lagos was part of Benin. Benin in the 1400's was very different from today. It was a large multilingual country whose capital was named "Benin city" by the European visitors on their maps.
Benin was civilised and had great architecture and military, it was a real powerful country.
You can look at precolonial maps and texts to see what our region looked like hundreds of years ago.
There is a reason why the body of water is called Bight of Benin, that was the precolonial reality.

The problem with many people like you is that you lack the ability to do historical research and you believe that what you see today will necessarily tell you what you had hundreds of years ago. That is not how history works.
European explorers have had this same logical problem, they visited a city in medieval America, then some other European explorers cane back to the same site hundreds of years later and found no city, they then concluded that the earlier explorers were lying.
But in reality (as it was discovered 1 hundred years later), the people of the city died of desease in great numbers and the remnants migrated elsewhere and then vegetation outgrew the city, you had to use scientific means to see signs of the city. The world is not static, looking at a place today won't tell you it's past, you have to actually do the efforts and do competent research, which I did.

It is very hard to understand why even after yorubas are given unrefutable proof they still maintain their disproved claim.

Like it or hate it, Lagos was part of Benin ! Deal with it.

Ghostwon82221:
I literally showed a precolonial map which shows Lagos and it's environs were part of Benin.
Also even ondo monarchs admit their domain was part of Benin. You guys just chose to blind yourselves like fanatics.

Drop the map and lets see how they annexed Lagos from Edo

By the way, I'm from ondo and u can't tell me about my history.... I may not know much about Lagos but then, having read many historical excerpts on ancient empires, I known it's impossible to own a place and not have a Trace of your influence there


Igbos influence is still well profound in Rivers and Delta

Hausa's and Fulani still have a stake in Niger and kwara

But nothing in any southwest state indicates the Benin's ever owned a place here..in fact, there is a town in Edo State called "Sabe"which is the closest place to any ondo village, yet not even the neighboring ondo villages there(imoru,ijagba) who shared same community sec schools with them speak their language



So i wonder how Benin would have owned Lagos yet no street, no cultural relations, nor language interrelations is been noticed there till date...not even in ondo which is closer to Benin,nor Ogun,which is closer to "owned Lagos"

Drop that map already... Just the map alone

Ghostwon82221:
It is very hard to understand why even after yorubas are given unrefutable proof they still maintain their disproved claim.

Like it or hate it, Lagos was part of Benin ! Deal with it.

How's Lagos my headache

Zoom into that map and cut out how Edo shared boundaries with Lagos cause I can't strain my eyes on ordinary online argument


Benin's must be so weak that they couldn't even leave any trace of their early conquest in Lagos... No town, no street,no royal titles in their names

Even the influence of the Fulani's and the Yorubas is still very much evident in kwara

Same as the influence of the Yorubas in itshekiri

Same as the igbos in Opobo and Asaba

Nwoke aka wiseman, sebi u go school nau.
I asked you "for ur name" you respond with "na akpu I chop ystdy"; abeg e rhyme?

I asked you a very simple question and u are telling me story. This na why students dey fail for their exam.

Once again, do you agree that Jesus Christ is the Son of God. It's a simple 'yes' or 'no' answer biko.

Jimmythewise:
What will your forefathers 300 years ago say this? Keep putting your neck on the line in the name of Jesus for Jihadists to cut through with their sword.

1. Browse your statistics and tell me the percentage of christians in Israel as of today.


2. Tell me the history of your own people dating 2000years back.

richie240:
Nwoke aka wiseman, sebi u go school nau.
I asked you "for ur name" you respond with "na akpu I chop ystdy"; abeg e rhyme?

I asked you a very simple question and u are telling me story. This na why students dey fail for their exam.

Once again, do you agree that Jesus Christ is the Son of God. It's a simple 'yes' or 'no' answer biko.

I expect you to answer me as well.

The answer is yes I agree that Jesus Christ is the son of Yahweh.

Glory to God say u blv.

My (fore) fathers 300-1000 yrs ago were idol worshipers......and so we're urs.

Jimmythewise:
I expect you to answer me as well.

The answer is yes I agree that Jesus Christ is the son of Yahweh.

DevilsEqual:
Drop the map and lets see how they annexed Lagos from Edo

https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b8595583b.r=Benin

Are you actually reading what I am telling you ?
Your reply suggests otherwise.
Benin was a large multilingual kingdom, one part of it is what we now call Lagos. Benin city is only the capital of Benin kingdom, just like Paris is the capital of France.
I can repeat what I already said if you want:

Ghostwon82221:
I literally showed a precolonial map which shows Lagos and it's environs were part of Benin.
Also even ondo monarchs admit their domain was part of Benin. You guys just chose to blind yourselves like fanatics.

Ghostwon82221:
When the British took over Lagos, Lagos was flooded with migrants, mostly local fugitive slaves and foreign freed slaves like the Brazilian slaves.
What happened to Lagos is just like what happened to some Arabian countries with small population in which the number of migrant workers is now more than twice the number of aboriginals.
I repeat and I do so with proof, Lagos was part of Benin. Benin in the 1400's was very different from today. It was a large multilingual country whose capital was named "Benin city" by the European visitors on their maps.
Benin was civilised and had great architecture and military, it was a real powerful country.
You can look at precolonial maps and texts to see what our region looked like hundreds of years ago.
There is a reason why the body of water is called Bight of Benin, that was the precolonial reality.

The problem with many people like you is that you lack the ability to do historical research and you believe that what you see today will necessarily tell you what you had hundreds of years ago. That is not how history works.
European explorers have had this same logical problem, they visited a city in medieval America, then some other European explorers cane back to the same site hundreds of years later and found no city, they then concluded that the earlier explorers were lying.
But in reality (as it was discovered 1 hundred years later), the people of the city died of desease in great numbers and the remnants migrated elsewhere and then vegetation outgrew the city, you had to use scientific means to see signs of the city. The world is not static, looking at a place today won't tell you it's past, you have to actually do the efforts and do competent research, which I did.

You have the map here and the website hosting it, you can do a very precise zooming and obtain any information you want, there are also many other precolonial maps.
Stop blinding yourself out of tribalism. Accept the truth and move on.

DevilsEqual:
By the way, I'm from ondo and u can't tell me about my history....

In Nigeria you guys have big educational problems.
What makes you think you know your "history" ?
Are you 1000 years old ? Do you have a time machine, or were you told stories started by people with vested interests ?
I tell British people their history, I tell French, German, Russian, Chinese their history, but you...oh you, you are special, I can't tell you your history, original Nigerian, full of arrogance but with no wisdom and no knowledge, just arrogance and delusion.

DevilsEqual:
Igbos influence is still well profound in Rivers and Delta

Delta was part of Benin !
It is weird that you didn't notice that all delta monarchs have the same ceremonial outfit as the Oba of Benin, yet you are the one talking abouting the fact remanants of culture should have been noticeable. You are not thinking objectively. You are blinded by your own bias and ethnic bigotry (like many Nigerians are).


Even Rivers people have close links with Benin.
As I said earlier and as you failed to hear, Benin was a large multilingual kingdom, Benin city is only the capital of Benin.
That is why Benin is the only kingdom in West Africa which has more than 30 billion dollars worth of artifacts spread across European and American museums.

When will you accept the fact that you know nothing about history and listen to the likes of me whom are much more educated than you ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wu4GSLI18s8

Ghostwon82221:
Delta was part of Benin !
It is weird that you didn't notice that all delta monarchs have the same ceremonial outfit as the Oba of Benin, yet you are the one talking abouting the fact remanants of culture should have been noticeable. You are not thinking objectively. You are blinded by your own bias and ethnic bigotry (like many Nigerians are).


Even Rivers people have close links with Benin.
As I said earlier and as you failed to hear, Benin was a large multilingual kingdom, Benin city is only the capital of Benin.
That is why Benin is the only kingdom in West Africa which has more than 30 billion dollars worth of artifacts spread across European and American museums.

When will you accept the fact that you know nothing about history and listen to the likes of me whom are much more educated than you ?

Bro, the influence of the Benin is still very evident in delta state, some Urhobos and even the so-called "Delta Igbos" still have some titles that are very synonymous to Benin and they are even culturally related....same as the ijaws and some fraction of River state.


But we can't say same about Ondo state which is the closest SW state to Benin....in fact, Ondo is closer to Benin than Rivers is to Benin yet these Benin people struggled to influence their Lagos conquest

It is strange that history is the one subject which is not taught in Nigerian schools, yet most Nigerians believe themselves to be experts in history ...
Imagine an illiterate believing he's the best writer in the world.
What stops you guys from admitting that you are not competent in history ? That is a fact !

DevilsEqual:
But we can't say same about Ondo state which is the closest SW state to Benin....in fact, Ondo is closer to Benin than Rivers is to Benin yet these Benin people struggled to influence their Lagos conquest

There is no proof of Benin ever conquering Lagos, and I am not making any such claim. What there is proof of, is Lagos being part of Benin until the British took it away.
I presented proof to you, but you keep trying to argue around the proof. Lagos was part of Benin, deal with it !
It may be painful for your ego and your tribalistic thoughts, but Lagos was part of Benin and then the British took it away.

Ghostwon82221:
In Nigeria you guys have big educational problems.
What makes you think you know your "history" ?
Are you 1000 years old ? Do you have a time machine, or were you told stories started by people with vested interests ?
I tell British people their history, I tell French, German, Russian, Chinese their history, but you...oh you, you are special, I can't tell you your history, original Nigerian, full of arrogance but with no wisdom and no knowledge, just arrogance and delusion.

Full of ignorance and delusion,no knowledge??


Bro, I don't know you,I don't care about your age, but I'm sure I can comfortably school you in philosophy,biology, psychology, science, evolution,religion and that too,I'll do offhand


You think everyone you meet here are toddler who do not know jack about their immediately environment??


You even said I have no wisdom?

What brought about all these personal attack


In fact, that you had to resort to personal attack is a psychological weariness of losing an argument

If thats how you lecture people... I'm sorry, I won't go on with this

Take care

Accept that you are an illiterate when it comes to history. Once you have accepted that, half your education is done, then you can go on and actually learn objectively.
Learn these 2 non obvious things:

1) what is history
2) how do I research history

DevilsEqual:
Full of ignorance and delusion,no knowledge??


Bro, I don't know you,I don't care about your age, but I'm sure I can comfortably school you in philosophy,biology, psychology, science, evolution,religion and that too,I'll do offhand


You think everyone you meet here are toddler who do not know jack about their immediately environment??


You even said I have no wisdom?

What brought about all these personal attack


In fact, that you had to resort to personal attack is a psychological weariness of losing an argument

If thats how you lecture people... I'm sorry, I won't go on with this

Take care

I'm a mathematician in his 30's.
I went to school in Europe, the schools were of great quality and I loved learning.
I have particularly done some research (unrelated to mathematics) on historical events (as a hobby).
I get frustrated while talking to Nigerians like you who know nothing but are so full of arrogance and delusion.
For your information, I'm not name calling, I am staying a fact. Most Nigerians (you included) are total illiterates in history. It hurts, and it looks like an insult, but it is a fact !

I started my argument by deliberately talking about The King Xerxes conquest of Persia which extended to Ethiopia and the Alexander the great conquest which crosses down to Alexandria in Egypt yet one dullard who goes about reading the acts of old Benin monarchs thinks he knows more


Just sleep abeg

Well as a hobby, I wanted to learn about my ancestors, so I did some competent research with scientific rigour.

TheSourcerer:
Yes Until the British annexed lagos declaring Lagos Independent and In a message to the Oba of Benin that Lagos would no more pay tax to Binin King.
How Bini got to colonize Eko?

Well their early prince/king who happened to be one of the first sea explorers "founded" eko and installed a king who was only loyal to the Oba of Benin.

but all the woriror that fought that war with the British none of them is Benin

Dabronze:
but all the woriror that fought that war with the British none of them is Benin

They all were Benin, since Lagos was a part of Benin. As for which part of Benin they originated from, I really wonder how anyone could know that today with too much precision. We can only speculate unless we get some precolonial documents shedding some light.

Ghostwon82221:
https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b8595583b.r=Benin

Lagos was part of Benin, until the British colonized Lagos . Proof: precolonial map below.

Why do you and many of your Yoruba brothers keep trying to rewrite history ?
Why are you guys telling lies ?

Lol...after many years of beating you still want to get your ancestors disgraced ghostwon

Ghostwon82221:
No, you are a bloody liar or totally incompetent in history. So calm your name calling and try to educate yourself.

Like you ancestors were disgraced on this thread


https://www.nairaland.com/6314603/oni-chief-priest/10#97527580



We will teach you another lessson

Maybe the lieing Thesourcerer will come save you from this coming disgrace ghostwon

Balogunodua:
Lol...after many years of beating you still want to get your ancestors disgraced ghostwon

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wu4GSLI18s8
I'm here for history not for your childish display of stupidity. I happen to be more competent in history than almost all of you (I say almost because there might be some people whom I haven't met whom are more competent than me), so what I say is for those who come in with good faith. I'm not interested in hooligans drugged on tribalism who think they are fighting a war and who would rather die than follow logic.

Ghostwon82221:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wu4GSLI18s8

Should I tag your nemesis to the thread?