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Baddestguyp:
if you could refuse a duel, what was the point of accepting it only to try to stop him from making it to the venue?

Abi no be you ask this question again.

If you already know he can't refuse, then why you dey ask this question?

NaijaMemes:
Fast X aka Fast and furious 10. 6/10.

The only thing going for the movie franchise now is the car chase scenes and the banter between tyrese and ludacris.

And guess what? It is a 2 part film. 2 hours plus!!!

The action doesn't disappoint. Also, yet another dead character is miraculously revived!!

This is one annoying thing I dislike in the franchise. They need to stop because it's getting ridiculous. They'd just stick to the insane car skills and chases and leave that resssurecrion of dead characters alone.

MetroLane:
Abi no be you ask this question again.

If you already know he can't refuse, then why you dey ask this question?

I asked a rhetorical question because you said he didn't refuse the duel out of arrogance...

Beorn:
This is one annoying thing I dislike in the franchise. They need to stop because it's getting ridiculous. They'd just stick to the insane car skills and chases and leave that resssurecrion of dead characters alone.

y'all said we shouldn't criticize anything about it's plot or story because it's supposed to be pure action and no sense....

So why are you criticizing bringing back dead characters?

Let them bring back all the dead characters or turn them to aliens...afterall it's supposed to be a dûmb fun movie...so we cannot say it makes no sense

Baddestguyp:
I asked a rhetorical question because you said he didn't refuse the duel out of arrogance...

Wow this Guy......

You've already asked this question before I made mention of Arrogance....And even the arrogance I was referring to wasn't about him accepting.

This your lie no work abeg.........

jikins:
That's because you are only looking at it from one way.

You seem to have forgotten what John told Winston before he brought up the Duel. He's plans were to kill the Marquis and every member of the high table. Dude will just go on picking them off one by one. In the end the 100% guaranteed success won't be anything more than - 1%. Accepting the duel was how the Marquis could have full control of the outcome. The alternative was open to wider array of uncertainty. And it was a sound plan. That did work in the end. If only he had shown more restraint. The high table would have been licking his ass now.

and Winston too knew it was a dûmb idea that would obviously fail and John Wick would die...that's why he told Wick about the duel

So yeah...it's more of a 100% chance that Wick would be killed without the duel...same way killing the Marquis normally would have changed nothing just like killing the Elder changed nothing



Now wait...what are you all jumping around?
First you guys said the Marquis had a choice, later you said he didn't have a choice...now again, he had a choice to accept or refuse the duel?


Which is it exactly?

MetroLane:
Wow this Guy......

You've already asked this question before I made mention of Arrogance....

This your lie no work abeg.........

it's still a rhetorical question...

My stance has never changed on whether he could refuse the duel...

You're the one who keeps changing stance every minute...
Before you said he could refuse but didn't refuse cos of arrogance...
Now you're saying he couldn't refuse

GloriousGbola:
i thought he was going to propose mouth to watermelon

You need to repent

Baddestguyp:
and Winston too knew it was a dûmb idea that would obviously fail and John Wick would die...that's why he told Wick about the duel

So yeah...it's more of a 100% chance that Wick would be killed without the duel...same way killing the Marquis normally would have changed nothing just like killing the Elder changed nothing



Now wait...what are you all jumping around?
First you guys said the Marquis had a choice, later you said he didn't have a choice...now again, he had a choice to accept or refuse the duel?


Which is it exactly?

You need to know how to differentiate who you are talking with.

And I am not talking about the outcome for John. I am talking about the reasoning of the Marquis. Its not that hard. He doesn't want to risk dieing. Because that's what would have 100% happened if he refused the duel. Accepting the duel was his way to control the outcome.

Baddestguyp:
it's still a rhetorical question...

My stance has never changed on whether he could refuse the duel...

You're the one who keeps changing stance every minute...
Before you said he could refuse but didn't refuse cos of arrogance...
Now you're saying he couldn't refuse

shebi you say you ask rhetorical question?

Ehn this one sef na rhetorical answer.....


You think say na only you Sabi twist words.

You asked a question that's very useless when placed side by side with the original plot of the movie. I catch you, you dey tell me say na rhetorical question.

jikins:
You need to know how to differentiate who you are talking with.

And I am not talking about the outcome for John. I am talking about the reasoning of the Marquis. Its not that hard. He doesn't want to risk dieing. Because that's what would have 100% happened if he refused the duel. Accepting the duel was his was to control the situation.

I disagree...

John Wick was more likely to die than the Marquis...
He had thousands of assassins ready to kill Wick...
He kept increasing the bounty...
In fact Wick would have died if not for help from Caine and Mr Nobody...
Wick would have died on his way to the venue

MetroLane:
shebi you say you ask rhetorical question?

Ehn this one sef na rhetorical answer.....


You think say na only you Sabi twist words.

You asked a question that's very useless when placed side by side with the original plot of the movie. I catch you, you dey tell me say na rhetorical question.

the question by it's wording was clearly rhetorical...

You're the only one switching up and down

Baddestguyp:
I disagree...

John Wick was more likely to die than the Marquis...
He had thousands of assassins ready to kill Wick...
He kept increasing the bounty...
In fact Wick would have died if not for help from Caine and Mr Nobody...
Wick would have died on his way to the venue

Exactly thats the point of him accepting the duel. I mean its not rocket science. Accepting the duel gave the many assassins location and the exact time he will be there.

Increasing the chances of success as opposed to blindly looking for him. Or waiting for John to come for him. Take a breath and think it over. Its not hard.

jikins:
Exactly thats the point of him accepting the duel. I mean its not rocket science. Accepting the duel gave the many assassins location and the exact time he will be there.

Increasing the chances of success as opposed to blindly looking for him. Or waiting for John to come for him. Take a breath and think it over. Its not hard.

I think I've established that they never had a problem finding John Wick's whereabouts...

Baddestguyp:
I think I've established that they never had a problem finding John Wick's whereabouts...

Yet the Marquis offered Mr Nobody 23 million to find him after Osaka. Why do you think he rescinded his offer after the duel was agreed on only to offer it again when it seems his assassins would fail?

Baddestguyp:
The same Ruska Roma was referred to as a second-rate seat by the Marquis

The Marquis assassinating John Wick cannot lead to a war with the high table...
If so...then why did the Marquis send people to kill Wick on his way to the venue of the duel?

The High Table is actively against John Wick for his crimes...being under the protection of one family does not stop them from assassinating him

That's why i said accepting the duel will draw him out and refusing would risk Wick going to the Roma and being protected by them

The Roma gave John the ability to challenge for a duel and accepted him into their fold despite him being excommunicado was a crime by High Table rules

The fact that the Roma accepted Wick back despite their member being punished in part 3(the lady whose hands were impaled by zero) for giving audience to Wick, meant that the Roma were willing to face the High table

John had to leave the protection of the Roma to take part in the duel and the Roma had agreed to John risking his life in the duel. It would be a different prospect if John ran back to the Roma and they came to kill him in their territory

jikins:
Yet the Marquis offered Mr Nobody 23 million to find him after Osaka. Why do you think he rescinded his offer after the duel was agreed on only to offer it again when it seems his assassins would fail?

plot convenience?
They had no problem finding Wick in Chapter 3...
They had no problem tracking Wick to the Osaka Continental

They had thousands or even millions of assassins all over the world, on literally every street looking for John Wick...
John Wick made no effort to hide his face...

I don't think Mr Nobody was needed at all...his entire existence in the movie is pointless

Beorn:
This is one annoying thing I dislike in the franchise. They need to stop because it's getting ridiculous. They'd just stick to the insane car skills and chases and leave that resssurecrion of dead characters alone.

Have you seen the movie? It's annoying.

Han clearly died in Tokyo drift. But came back in part 6.

Now another person that clearly died came back again.


However, the action will leave you speechless.

Baddestguyp:
I disagree...

John Wick was more likely to die than the Marquis...
He had thousands of assassins ready to kill Wick...
He kept increasing the bounty...
In fact Wick would have died if not for help from Caine and Mr Nobody...
Wick would have died on his way to the venue

Exactly, he would have died if not for Caine and nobody because the route John would have to take was known and it was lined up with assassins

Baddestguyp:
plot convenience?
They had no problem finding Wick in Chapter 3...
They had no problem tracking Wick to the Osaka Continental

They had thousands or even millions of assassins all over the world, on literally every street looking for John Wick...
John Wick made no effort to hide his face...

I don't think Mr Nobody was needed at all...his entire existence in the movie is pointless

They tracked him in Osaka after involving Caine. Who knew John and his friends. Thats not hard to figure out. If they didn't have a problem why will Mr Nobody offer such a large amount and why will the Marquis waste his time meeting him?

Baddestguyp:
cost him his life because he didn't want to kill Caine.

He knew about a rule that could literally set him free but ignored it because he suspected it was a mere myth .... Wow

Even aside Winston, everyone seemed to suddenly know about the rules....even Mr Nobody suddenly knew about it...

But somehow, the manager of Osaka Continental did not know about the ancient rule?


This is the same rule that random members of the family that John Wick joined all knew about.

This is what we call "peak plot convenience"
When you write your character into a corner and you make an àsspull to get your character out of it

You like to dribble alot whenever hard fact is shoved down your throat. How did Mr Nobody know about the rule? Wasn't it the same Mr Nobody that tried to kill John but stopped because John Wick saved his dog?

How did everyone know about the rule, didn't you watch were the head of the Ruska Roma (the woman) didn't even know about High Table duels until the priest explained it to her? And you're here saying everybody knows about the rule.

John Wick have heard of High Table duels but thought it a myth until Winston told him it's a fact. If Winston had not told him about it and how to go about it, would he have known what to do.

Stop this nonsense you always like to do in this thread. I'm getting convinced you just watch movies for nothing more than peesun peesun and to argue blindly.

ShaqFu:
You like to dribble alot whenever hard fact is shoved down your throat. How did Mr Nobody know about the rule? Wasn't it the same Mr Nobody that tried to kill John but stopped because John Wick saved his dog?

How did everyone know about the rule, didn't you watch were the head of the Ruska Roma (the woman) didn't even know about High Table duels until the priest explained it to her? And you're here saying everybody knows about the rule.

John Wick have heard of High Table duels but thought it a myth until Winston told him it's a fact. If Winston had not told him about it and how to go about it, would he have known what to do.

Stop this nonsense you always like to do in this thread. I'm getting convinced you just watch movies for nothing more than peesun peesun and to argue blindly.

Octopusssy:
Shaq!! 😂

alright I'll add a bottle of red wine. But, we will drink from the same wine glass. 😉

IMEI:
That's why i said accepting the duel will draw him out and refusing would risk Wick going to the Roma and being protected by them

The Roma gave John the ability to challenge for a duel and accepted him into their fold despite him being excommunicado was a crime by High Table rules

The fact that the Roma accepted Wick back despite their member being punished in part 3(the lady whose hands were impaled by zero) for giving audience to Wick, meant that the Roma were willing to face the High table

John had to leave the protection of the Roma to take part in the duel and the Roma had agreed to John risking his life in the duel. It would be a different prospect if John ran back to the Roma and they came to kill him in their territory

I don't see how the "second rate seat" could protect Wick from the High Table and the Marquis

If we recall, didn't they state that the 12 members of the High Table delegated power to the Marquis?

I think you're overestimating the Roma family.
They admitted they were still under the table.


The Marquis also killed Pyotor and they could do nothing to him...

So what makes you think they could protect John Wick?

If youve not watched this series you are missing out...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9By6UgP6VkQ

ShaqFu:
You like to dribble alot whenever hard fact is shoved down your throat. How did Mr Nobody know about the rule? Wasn't it the same Mr Nobody that tried to kill John but stopped because John Wick saved his dog?

How did everyone know about the rule, didn't you watch were the head of the Ruska Roma (the woman) didn't even know about High Table duels until the priest explained it to her? And you're here saying everybody knows about the rule.

John Wick have heard of High Table duels but thought it a myth until Winston told him it's a fact. If Winston had not told him about it and how to go about it, would he have known what to do.

Stop this nonsense you always like to do in this thread. I'm getting convinced you just watch movies for nothing more than peesun peesun and to argue blindly.

you have not answered why the manager of the Osaka Continental knew about the rule

Or how Mr Nobody knew about it. What does John Wick saving Mr Nobody's dog have to do with him knowing about the rule?

Or answered why John Wick knew about a rule that could save him, while running around like a headless chicken...but despite his connections, he ignored it without confirming it and thought it was a myth?
What?

Instead of running around like a headless chicken, why didn't John Wick use his connections to find out if the rule was true...since he has heard about it...and he was looking for a way out?

Baddestguyp:
I don't see how the "second rate seat" could protect Wick from the High Table and the Marquis

If we recall, didn't they state that the 12 members of the High Table delegated power to the Marquis?

I think you're overestimating the Roma family.
They admitted they were still under the table.


The Marquis also killed Pyotor and they could do nothing to him...

So what makes you think they could protect John Wick?

Pyotr was killed in retaliation for John killing the Elder. John killed Killa, the killer of Pyotr as revenge and to allow John challenge and kill the Marquis via a duel by allowing him rejoin them

Clearly, the Roma are defiant and are willing to risk the face-off with the High Table

The Roma are under the Table, but it is a whole lot complicated with Wick being an official member, as that would mean declaring the entire Roma excommunicado for re-accepting Wick if the duel is refused

jikins:
They tracked him in Osaka after involving Caine. Who knew John and his friends. Thats not hard to figure out. If they didn't have a problem why will Mr Nobody offer such a large amount and why will the Marquis waste his time meeting him?

how did they track him throughout Chapter 3?

And if they had Caine and Mr Nobody to keep tracking him what was the point of accepting the duel?

Baddestguyp:
I don't think Mr Nobody was needed at all...his entire existence in the movie is pointless

Well I look at it from this perspective.

Mr Nobody doesn't want to kill John Wick because the price is not yet right, and he also wants to prevent anyone from Killing John Wick for a lesser price.

He doesn't owe his allegiance to anyone, money is his only motivation. Marquis made him swear his loyalty with the knife and all, but when the time came, he still asked for more money.

I think Mr Nobody's purpose is to prevent John from dying, to him he might be waiting for when the price is right, but by doing so, he was keeping John Alive long enough for him to face off with the Marquis.

It would've been ridiculous for John to survive that road fight all by himself, I think that's where Mr Nobody comes in.

And John had the opportunity to kill Mr Nobody, but chose to save his dog, Mr Nobody has no personal beef with John, so at that point, it's fair for him to stop trying to kill John.

You might not see it, but Mr Nobody's purpose was to keep John Alive long enough, and I'm not sure he even realized that that's what he was doing.

IMEI:
Exactly, he would have died if not for Caine and nobody because the route John would have to take was known and it was lined up with assassins

John Wick would have died even if there was no duel...

The duel was his last hope for survival

IMEI:
Pyotr was killed in retaliation for John killing the Elder. John killed Killa, the killer of Pyotr as revenge and to allow John challenge and kill the Marquis via a duel by allowing him rejoin them

Clearly, the Roma are defiant and are willing to risk the face-off with the High Table

The Roma are under the Table, but it is a whole lot complicated with Wick being an official member, as that would mean declaring the entire Roma excommunicado for re-accepting Wick if the duel is refused

why should the High Table have an issue declaring the entire Roma family excommunicado?

The Marquis they appointed killed Pyotr and nothing happened...they were even powerless to retailiate until John Wick did...

So why should the Marquis have problem with them?

MetroLane:
Well I look at it from this perspective.

Mr Nobody doesn't want to kill John Wick because the price is not yet right, and he also wants to prevent anyone from Killing John Wick for a lesser price.

He doesn't owe his allegiance to anyone, money is his only motivation. Marquis made him swear his loyalty with the knife and all, but when the time came, he still asked for more money.

I think Mr Nobody's purpose is to prevent John from dying, to him he might be waiting for when the price is right, but by doing so, he was keeping John Alive long enough for him to face off with the Marquis.

It would've been ridiculous for John to survive that road fight all by himself, I think that's where Mr Nobody comes in.

And John had the opportunity to kill Mr Nobody, but chose to save his dog, Mr Nobody has no personal beef with John, so at that point, it's fair for him to stop trying to kill John.

You might not see it, but Mr Nobody's purpose was to keep John Alive long enough, and I'm not sure he even realized that that's what he was doing.

so Mr Nobody chose to let Wick walk free and ignored over $26m after spending months tracking Wick...because Wick saved his dog from the same situation he led his dog to?

Quite ironical since even after his dog was saved, he kept pushing the Marquis to increase the bounty...which put John Wick in even more trouble than before...

If you're so grateful to someone for saving your dog that you'd walk away from over $20m...
Then why do you keep pushing for his bounty to be increased so that even more bounty hunters will be after him?

Thank you for opening another can of worms