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Baddestguyp:
how did they track him throughout Chapter 3?

And if they had Caine and Mr Nobody to keep tracking him what was the point of accepting the duel?

I can't speak to chapter 3 as I have forgotten what happened there. But in chapter 4 its very clear how they found him at Osaka. Cain didn't know about the bowery king. I am guessing base on how the movie went so no, Cain won't have been able to locate him after Osaka. Only Mr Nobody could track him somehow, how though he never said.

Mr Nobody didn't always know where John was. To claim otherwise is just a total disregard as to what you just watched. By extension same can be said of the Marquis. I don't like repeating myself. I have already established why the Marquis agreed to the duel. Go back and challenges the points there or lets move on.

Baddestguyp:
so Mr Nobody chose to let Wick walk free and ignored over $26m after spending months tracking Wick...because Wick saved his dog from the same situation he led his dog to?

Quite ironical since even after his dog was saved, he kept pushing the Marquis to increase the bounty...which put John Wick in even more trouble than before...

If you're so grateful to someone for saving your dog that you'd walk away from over $20m...
Then why do you keep pushing for his bounty to be increased so that even more bounty hunters will be after him?

Thank you for opening another can of worms

Where did you watch the bolded from

Baddestguyp:
why should the High Table have an issue declaring the entire Roma family excommunicado?

The Marquis they appointed killed Pyotr and nothing happened...they were even powerless to retailiate until John Wick did...

So why should the Marquis have problem with them?

John Wick alone had the High Table on edge, John now with the Roma and potentially the bowery king and his soldiers?

I can see why the High Table wouldn't want that

Baddestguyp:
If you're so grateful to someone for saving your dog that you'd walk away from over $20m...
Then why do you keep pushing for his bounty to be increased so that even more bounty hunters will be after him?

Thank you for opening another can of worms

Oga stop twisting the story to suit your narrative.

He had already asked for more before John saved his dog

Why una too like to dey lie for film wey everybody watch sef......

It's not hard to see why he had a change of heart, letting the Marquis live by killing John will only result in him being the puppet, and Mr Nobody is a freelancer who doesn't owe loyalty to anybody.

Even Caine told him that taking a deal with the High Table isn't worth it.

Which other explanation you dey find.

jikins:
I can't speak to chapter 3 as I have forgotten what happened there. But in chapter 4 its very clear how they found him at Osaka. Cain didn't know about the bowery king. I am guessing base on how the movie went so no, Cain won't have been able to locate him after Osaka. Only Mr Nobody could track him somehow, how though he never said.

Mr Nobody didn't always know where John was. To claim otherwise is just a total disregard as to what you just watched. By extension same can be said of the Marquis. I don't like repeating myself. I have already established why the Marquis agreed to the duel. Go back and challenges the points there or lets move on.

I also don't remember too much of chapter 3 but I recall they had no problem tracking Wick

how did Mr Nobody track John Wick?
There seems to be no confirmed sequel...so what is the answer?

Are we back to Mr Nobody being a mere plot convenience?

1. Mr Nobody tracks Wick but refuses to kill him and instead saves him cos his bounty is too small

2. Mr Nobody was threatened by the Marquis to kill John Wick....and he has no choice but to kill Wick

3. Mr Nobody then competed with Killa and Caine in a Poker game for the right to kill John Wick.

4. Next thing he's actively saving John Wick again.

5. Then he tries to kill John Wick again, but Wick defeats him but saves his dog...and Mr Nobody is grateful

6. Then he later chooses to save Wick and not kill him because Wick earlier saved his dog


Mr Nobody is a prime example of a confused character that serves no purpose except as a plot convenience...
He motives are constantly changing to a point he's practically comical as a character

Baddestguyp:
you have not answered why the manager of the Osaka Continental knew about the rule

how would the manager of the Osaka continental know about the rule? He didn't know or even bother to know. If he knew how would the rule favour him. He stood for his friend/brother, that's what matters.

Or how Mr Nobody knew about it. What does John Wick saving Mr Nobody's dog have to do with him knowing about the rule?

Mr Nobody didn't know about the rule. He was trying to kill John Wick and anybody who will stop him from collecting the bounty on John wick's head. In helping John Wick he got to the church and know what was happening.

Or answered why John Wick knew about a rule that could save him, while running around like a headless chicken...but despite his connections, he ignored it without confirming it and thought it was a myth?
What?

Dude, do you have stone or bricks inside your head? I told you John Wick have heard of High Table duels but considered it a myth. It's there in the movie, or did you watch the John Wick chapter 4 on camrip?

Instead of running around like a headless chicken, why didn't John Wick use his connections to find out if the rule was true...since he has heard about it...and he was looking for a way out?

I ask again, which version of John Wick chapter 4 did you watch?

You didn't watch where he went to ask Winston who owned the crest in the suit of the men he killed, and when Wisnton told him, he turned round to go and kill the Marquis until Winston asked him to what end? That if he kills the Marquis, he will be replaced sooner than later...

Bro when you watch movies, please try and listen to the dialogue, don't just focus on peesun peesun alone.

IMEI:
John Wick alone had the High Table on edge, John now with the Roma and potentially the bowery king and his soldiers?

I can see why the High Table wouldn't want that

why didn't Roma do anything after Pyotr was killed?

They were toothless and quiet

So why would the High Table fear them

MetroLane:
Oga stop twisting the story to suit your narrative.

He had already asked for more before John saved his dog

Why una too like to dey lie for film wey everybody watch sef......

It's not hard to see why he had a change of heart, letting the Marquis live by killing John will only result in him being the puppet, and Mr Nobody is a freelancer who doesn't owe loyalty to anybody.

Even Caine told him that taking a deal with the High Table isn't worth it.

Which other explanation you dey find.

after he was blackmailed and threatened by the Marquis, he had no choice but to kill Wick...

He even competed in a game of Poker for the right to kill Wick...
But still chose to keep saving Wick...

What a confused Character

ShaqFu:
how would the manager of the Osaka continental know about the rule? He didn't know or even bother to know. If he knew how would the rule favour him. He stood for his friend/brother, that's what matters.

Mr Nobody didn't know about the rule. He was trying to kill John Wick and anybody who will stop him from collecting the bounty on John wick's head. In helping John Wick he got to the church and know what was happening.

Dude, do you have stone or bricks inside your head? I told you John Wick have heard of High Table duels but considered it a myth. It's there in the movie, or did you watch the John Wick chapter 4 on camrip?

I ask again, which version of John Wick chapter 4 did you watch?

You didn't watch where he went to ask Winston who owned the crest in the suit of the men he killed, and when Wisnton told him, he turned round to go and kill the Marquis until Winston asked him to what end? That if he kills the Marquis, he will be replaced sooner than later...

Bro when you watch movies, please try and listen to the dialogue, don't just focus on peesun peesun alone.

1. John Wick clearly knew about the rule...but he thought it was a mere rumour...
And he didn't bother to try to confirm a rule that could literally save his life...

2. Mr Nobody is present in literally all the situations...he certainly seemed to know about it...that's how he knew John would contact the Roma family to make use of the rule

Baddestguyp:
I also don't remember too much of chapter 3 but I recall they had no problem tracking Wick

how did Mr Nobody track John Wick?
There seems to be no confirmed sequel...so what is the answer?

Are we back to Mr Nobody being a mere plot convenience?

Mr Nobody was threatened by the Marquis to kill John Wick....

Mr Nobody then competed with Killa and Caine in a Poker game for the right to kill John Wick. Next thing he's actively saving John Wick again.

Then he tries to kill John Wick again, but Wick defeats him but saves his dog...and Mr Nobody is grateful

Then Mr Nobody actively helps to increase John Wick's bounty...only to later choose to save Wick and not kill him because Wick earlier saved his dog


Mr Nobody is a prime example of a confused character that serves no purpose except as a plot convenience...
He motives are constantly changing to a point he's practically comical as a character

I believed I stated it clearly that he never said how he tracked John? If he did maybe I wasn't paying attention

Mr Nobody wasn't threatened by the Marquis to kill John. Marquis told him if he wanted to get paid, kill John. Mr Nobody didnt go in wanting to kill John. Rather since he is a good tracker he wanted to take advantage of the situation to get paid without actually having to kill John. Thats what he offered the Marquis. After the Marquis forced his hand, he almost killed John in Berlin but Cain stopped him. After the duel was agreed his services were no longer needed so he made sure his services would be needed and did what every right thinking business man will do at that point raise the price.

For the dog thing, its not something you will understand if you dont have a pet you really like. Heck it was the death of John's dog that started this whole madness. So with that as a precedence I see no reason why he wont let John live because of that one act of kindness. Also factoring the fact he could have killed Mr Nobody there too but instead saved his dog. And if you watched closely on the stairs Mr Nobody was still conflicted, it was his dog's face that pushed him over the edge to let John be.

Baddestguyp:
after he was blackmailed and threatened by the Marquis, he had no choice but to kill Wick...

He even competed in a game of Poker for the right to kill Wick...
But still chose to keep saving Wick...

What a confused Character

Can we talk about how you twisted the story to suit your narrative?

You think I'll let that slide for the second time?

jikins:
I believed I stated it clearly that he never said how he tracked John? If he did maybe I wasn't paying attention

Mr Nobody wasn't threatened by the Marquis to kill John. Marquis told him if he wanted to get paid, kill John. Mr Nobody didnt go in wanting to kill John. Rather since he is a good tracker he wanted to take advantage of the situation to get paid without actually having to kill John. Thats what he offered the Marquis. After the Marquis forced his hand, he almost killed John in Berlin but Cain stopped him. After the duel was agreed his services were no longer needed so he made sure his services would be needed and did what every right thinking business man will do at that point raise the price.

For the dog thing, its not something you will understand if you dont have a pet you really like. Heck it was the death of John's dog that started this whole madness. So with that has a precedence I see no reason why he wont let John live because of that one act of kindness. Also factoring the fact he could have killed Mr Nobody there too but instead saved his dog. And if you watched closely on the stairs Mr Nobody was still conflicted, it was his dog's face that pushed him over the edge to let John be.

I've actually edited what you quoted to add and rearrange stuff

@bolded---- Mr Nobody was threatened...
That is fact

Proof below:

Baddestguyp:
I've actually edited what you quoted to add and rearrange stuff

@bolded---- Mr Nobody was threatened...
That is fact

Proof below:

Thats fine doesn't really change my whole point does it?

MetroLane:
Can we talk about how you twisted the story to suit your narrative?

You think I'll let that slide for the second time?

what twist?

Mr Nobody had no choice but to kill Wick after he was threatened...
But yet during the poker game he kept saving Wick

He even saved Wick during the journey to the duel venue to increase his bounty?
Then later decided to kill Wick
Then he chose to save Wick again after Wick saved his dog from the situation he put the dog in

Baddestguyp:
what twist?

Mr Nobody had no choice but to kill Wick after he was threatened...
But yet during the poker game he kept saving Wick

He even saved Wick during the journey to the duel venue to increase his bounty?
Then later decided to kill Wick
Then he chose to save Wick again after Wick saved his dog from the situation he put the dog in

Aren't you leaving out the part where Mr Nobody told Marquis to increase the bounty price after John saved his dog?

Abi no be you talk am before?

jikins:
Thats fine doesn't really change my whole point does it?

So let's talk about how exactly did Mr Nobody track Wick?

The movie never answered that...yet it's supposedly the final movie...
This clearly supports my statement that Mr Nobody is a mere plot convenience


As for the dog, you made that a subjective thing as I'm looking at things objectively.

MetroLane:
Aren't you leaving out the part where Mr Nobody told Marquis to increase the bounty price after John saved his dog?

Abi no be you talk am before?

that was an error on my part. And I edited it moments later...

Unlike you that won't admit your errors even when I bring proof


It still doesn't change the fact that Mr Nobody is a mere plot convenience...

The writers didn't even bother to reveal how he tracked John Wick...

Although clearly, John Wick was easy to track since they were always tracking him in Chapter 3

But Me Nobody's special method was never revealed

Again...a can of worms

Baddestguyp:
So let's talk about how exactly did Mr Nobody track Wick?

The movie never answered that...yet it's supposedly the final movie...
This clearly supports my statement that Mr Nobody is a mere plot convenience


As for the dog, you made that a subjective thing as I'm looking at things objectively.

Looking at things from your perspective there wont be a John Wick 1. Its as simple as that.

I am not arguing plot convenience with you. And I have said it was never mentioned how Mr Nobody tracked Wick multiple times. So what else do you want to talk about? Was I in the writer's room or I am not understanding. My point was to explain why the Marquis agreed to the duel. I believe I have established that any other point I leave it to the house.

Baddestguyp:
1. John Wick clearly knew about the rule...but he thought it was a mere rumour...
And he didn't bother to try to confirm a rule that could literally save his life...

John Wick is being hunted by every or almost all the assassin under the table and you want him to go around trying to confirm a myth?

2. Mr Nobody is present in literally all the situations...he certainly seemed to know about it...that's how he knew John would contact the Roma family to make use of the rule

Mr Nobody is clearly a tracker. That scrap book of his is what he uses to track John Wick, period.

jikins:
Looking at things from your perspective there wont be a John Wick 1. Its as simple as that.

I am not arguing plot convenience with you. And I have said it was never mentioned how Mr Nobody tracked Wick multiple times. So what else do you want to talk about? Was I in the writer's room or I am not understanding. My point was to explain why the Marquis agreed to the duel. I believe I have established that any other point I leave it to the house.

honestly I'm responding to so many people that I can't keep track of what you said about the duel...

I have no idea what you said

ShaqFu:
John Wick is being hunted by every or almost all the assassin under the table and you want him to go around trying to confirm a myth?

Mr Nobody is clearly a tracker. That scrap book of his is what he uses to track John Wick, period.

1. He had contacts that he had no issues meeting even while being hunted...
So being hunted is no excuse...in fact it's a very compelling reason to try to confirm every possible way to achieve his freedom


So he tracked John Wick with scribbles in a book?
Wow...peak writing here
Maybe the book has the "God's eye" from fast and furious

Baddestguyp:
honestly I'm responding to so many people that I can't keep track of what you said about the duel...

I have no idea what you said

Lol no wahala, you can always scroll up

Baddestguyp:
why didn't Roma do anything after Pyotr was killed?

They were toothless and quiet

So why would the High Table fear them

They did when the opportunity came through John Wick and that's the point. They have bite now with John Wick and John's more formidable with an army

IMEI:
They did when the opportunity came through John Wick and that's the point. They have bite now with John Wick and John's more formidable with an army

if they were as powerful as you claimed. Why didn't they do anything before?

Baddestguyp:
if they were as powerful as you claimed. Why didn't they do anything before?

I never claimed they were powerful, i said they were defiant and with John Wick in their fold, a quandary

Baddestguyp:
1. He had contacts that he had no issues meeting even while being hunted...
So being hunted is no excuse...in fact it's a very compelling reason to try to confirm every possible way to achieve his freedom


So he tracked John Wick with scribbles in a book?
Wow...peak writing here
Maybe the book has the "God's eye" from fast and furious

why does the action hero always triumph in action film in the end and the villain always go down? Isnt that unrealistic? In the real world, its the reverse. Villains wreak havoc before heroes rise.

IMEI:
I never claimed they were powerful, i said they were defiant and with John Wick in their fold, a quandary

you literally said the High Table and the Marquis couldn't go against Roma if they hid John Wick...cos it would lead to war they were scared of

That means they are powerful

potland:
why does the action hero always triumph in action film in the end and the villain always go down? Isnt that unrealistic? In the real world, its the reverse. Villains wreak havoc before heroes rise.

two wrongs don't make a right

Baddestguyp:
you literally said the High Table and the Marquis couldn't go against Roma if they hid John Wick...cos it would lead to war they were scared of

That means they are powerful

I said the stakes are higher with John being a Roma again and more complicated for the High Table to kill John while in their custody

They don't make Greek Gods movies no more

Baddestguyp:
two wrongs don't make a right

is there a way they can make a movie where the hero starts on a good note and ends up on the losing side. Make it a bit real and unpredictable. Not this one that jackie chan beating everybody, walk through fire and come out unscathed or the hero or the victim gets captured and some delay is introduced till he finds a way out. All these makes the villains look weak. No element of realism

bugatti453:
Person way dn die already for the 4

I wonder oo the franchise don end nothing to write again moreover they have exhausted all villains unless they bring in Jason Statham and I don't think he can play villain. The part 4 was underwhelming to me only had some few moments.