coogar:

and it's only a hypersensitive imbēcile that would conclude a striker with 3 goals in 6 games would flop!

dayokanu:
A striker who has 3 goals in 6 games in a league topping club where he is an undisputed starter is a FAILURE and if we look at his antecedents in the same club. We can see that its nothing new, its just an extension of his prior seasons form

coogar:

3 goals in 6 games isn't failure - if he plays in all the 38 games in a season, he would score 19 league goals(pure goals). if he can add 6 in other competitions then he would have scored 25 goals this season! so a 25-goal per season striker is a flop? dayo, lets be honest - you are a doofus!

coogar: dayo, lets be honest - you are a doofus!

dayokanu:
Coogar truth be told you are a oaf

lalaboi: I dont remember Nateevs line up but i'm sure it didnt have no Oscar in it. or having Mikel and Ramires TOgether. . . Ramires and Oscar in the middle made us a little bit stronger cos these 2 hustle and make tackles to win back the ball. . .



Is it just me or Oscar need to hit the Gym for some Upper Body strength .. . . He'll get bullied when it comes to the physicality in the premier league.

nateevs:


I am very certain that RDM is very intelligent and along with the experience of his CL triumph, he's learned a lot from the catastrophe that surrounded the AVB era. 4-1-4-1 may be some very interesting setup to salivate over, it however could be a double edged that'll kick our backside in defence.

I believe RDM is an attacking manager but with a slightly conservative mind-set than AVB. Therefore, we definitely will see 4-2-3-1. There are loads of peops on the internet confirming that Oscar can play in a deep role, therefore allowing Mata/Hazard to play ahead in the hole.


Mikel Oscar
Hazard Mata Marin
Torres

That's an insanely creative line up. Defensively speaking though, it could be a burden on defenders.

Mikel Lampa
Hazard Oscar Mata
Sturridge

That's another option.

Mikel Ramires
Hazard Lampard Sturridge
Lukaku

If there's a need to get down dirty and ugly.


RDM has a lot to worry about. Most of all, how to keep Lampard happy. If we do have KDB, Oscar, Mata, Hazard all capable of playing in the middle, Lamps will not get as many games.

FBS: @nateevs, FT gave the ball away more than any other player on the pitch and he single handedly messed up lots of promsing attacks. That was woeful.
That said, he scored a good goal and ran like a crazy man with a minute left, closing down opponents. I personally cannot fault that so, well done to him. Ain't complaining.

Ibime: Hehehe. Nice win boys. Torres actually won quite few headers today even against Vermaelen although still giving the ball away.

U Seem to be laffing now and not saying something IB -- The last time we had an argument it was On whether Ramires would fare well playing in the Pivot with Mikel, and if am to recall vividly u were of the Opinion that Ramy aint a Good CM not in a Lifetime, but Lately it seem all like RDM is Goin' with my View that Ramy cant penetrate through the wings nicely anymore thereby deploying him to the Pivot which has been working perfectly Fine.

The selection of Ramires at the Pivot, starting for the Second time in 8 days, suggests that di Matteo is looking for pace, energy and a lot of off-the-ball movement from his midfield, and i guess u've seen more of that in the Stoke and Arsenal games.

Our Wing Play is now more like a Mobile Stuff -- A Delight to watch. Eden Hazard, Oscar and Juan Mata lined up in the attacking band behind Fernando Torres: Hazard on the left, Oscar down the middle and Mata on the right. With the trio rotating across the attacking third like three cups under the spell of a magician determined to hide the location that elusive ball.

Whatcha ya Gon Say to that?

El Guapo:

U Seem to be laffing now and not saying something IB -- The last time we had an argument it was On whether Ramires would fare well playing in the Pivot with Mikel, and if am to recall vividly u were of the Opinion that Ramy aint a Good CM not in a Lifetime, but Lately it seem all like RDM is Goin' with my View that Ramy cant penetrate through the wings nicely anymore thereby deploying him to the Pivot which has been working perfectly Fine.

The selection of Ramires at the Pivot, starting for the Second time in 8 days, suggests that di Matteo is looking for pace, energy and a lot of off-the-ball movement from his midfield, and i guess u've seen more of that in the Stoke and Arsenal games.

Our Wing Play is now more like a Mobile Stuff -- A Delight to watch. Eden Hazard, Oscar and Juan Mata lined up in the attacking band behind Fernando Torres: Hazard on the left, Oscar down the middle and Mata on the right. With the trio rotating across the attacking third like three cups under the spell of a magician determined to hide the location that elusive ball.

Whatcha ya Gon Say to that?

nateevs:
Sorry mate, it had Oscar in it. . . Twice sef. This is my post from months ago. When I talked about line-up, I was talking about the midfield/attacking line-up, hence the reference to the latter part of my post that read, "they asked me who will defend".

In one of my permutations, I did put Ramires in the double pivot. Yes, together with Mikel. Talk about forward thinking. . I was going to put Ramires in DM in the same line up that had Oscar, Hazard, Mata and then exclude Lamapard but I had to satisfy the gods of this thread. . . . However, in-spite of my generosity, guess what the yobs came back with? It's there for you to read.

El Guapo:

U Seem to be laffing now and not saying something IB -- The last time we had an argument it was On whether Ramires would fare well playing in the Pivot with Mikel, and if am to recall vividly u were of the Opinion that Ramy aint a Good CM not in a Lifetime, but Lately it seem all like RDM is Goin' with my View that Ramy cant penetrate through the wings nicely anymore thereby deploying him to the Pivot which has been working perfectly Fine.

The selection of Ramires at the Pivot, starting for the Second time in 8 days, suggests that di Matteo is looking for pace, energy and a lot of off-the-ball movement from his midfield, and i guess u've seen more of that in the Stoke and Arsenal games.

Our Wing Play is now more like a Mobile Stuff -- A Delight to watch. Eden Hazard, Oscar and Juan Mata lined up in the attacking band behind Fernando Torres: Hazard on the left, Oscar down the middle and Mata on the right. With the trio rotating across the attacking third like three cups under the spell of a magician determined to hide the location that elusive ball.

Whatcha ya Gon Say to that?

nateevs:


Oh I didn't deny that Torres messed up a lot of attacking moves. You called it right. I just added more things I wanted to say and I didn't want to post twice.


That said, I will not complain if Torres continues to score yet messes up build up play. When I consistently brought the same issues up about Drogba breaking up attacking play and conceding possession to the opposition, many directed abuse at me claiming that if he scores, it doesn't matter.

Many of those people include Dayo and you FBS. . . Now Dayo highlights a minute-by-minute account of what Torres does and is in a haste of posting when Torres concedes possession. Even last season, Dayo never posts, then waits for a goal from Lamps or Drogba and says the old guards to the rescue again continually turning a blind eye to performance.

My point is, maybe it's a good thing to remain consistent and never call for the head of Torres when he loses the ball. . . Caveat - As long as he score.

Ibime:
No matter how this thing is twisted, Ramires drafting in was as a result of lack of pace in the DM position, not due to "Lamps bombing forward" which I've debunked and which positional charts show us is wrong. You have lost an argument, but managed to twist yourself into a winning position.

FBS:
Read carefully: I said that since he scored, I won't complain but hey, DD remains one of the GREATEST strikers EVER to play for Chelsea so, please be kind enough to send Mr Torress a quick SMS or MMS if you will, to step it up -Scoring goals I mean.
PS: DD also won the ball back in dangerous places and as we all know defended quite well. So, no basis for comparisons here. And since you couldn't condone Drogba "giving" the ball away and "breaking" down attacks why do you accept it now from FT?

Ibime:

Sure, it works to cover a slow central midfield, but do you see Ramires as your DM going forward? I certainly dont. If I was RDM, I would be requesting a new DM on January 1st.

I am against Ramires in ma midfield fullstop, but anything to "protect Mikel" is fine by me for now, till we reach January.





Your main two formations there show Mikel/Lamps and Mikel/Oscar.

One had Mikel/Oscar plus Marin, Mata and Hazard which is the so-called "fantasy football"..

You had Mikel/Lamps/Ramires "if we need to get down and dirty", meaning Barcelona not Stoke and Arsenal.

Your "most defensive formation" is our template formation, and you didnt even envisage Ramires as the deepest midfielder, so leave matter.

This is nowhere near "the same exact formation" you envisaged as Chelseas template formation.

You told us Mikels pace was not a problem, but it is, hence Ramires.

No matter how this thing is twisted, Ramires drafting in was as a result of lack of pace in the DM position, not due to "Lamps bombing forward" which I've debunked and which positional charts show us is wrong. You have lost an argument, but managed to twist yourself into a winning position.

Lamps missed training most of last week with a foot injury so lets watch developments.

I would make no comment because Mikel is not doing anything Lampard doesnt do better as the more advanced of the two, except shielding players with his nyash (which he does very well).

FBS:
Read carefully: I said that since he scored, I won't complain but hey, DD remains one of the GREATEST strikers EVER to play for Chelsea so, please be kind enough to send Mr Torress a quick SMS or MMS if you will, to step it up -Scoring goals I mean.
PS: DD also won the ball back in dangerous places and as we all know defended quite well. So, no basis for comparisons here. And since you couldn't condone Drogba "giving" the ball away and "breaking" down attacks why do you accept it now from FT?

nateevs:
Please man. Now you are calling the drafting of Ramires into DM a cover for the slow Mikel rather than the expunging of the lethargic Lampard. If Mikel is that crap, why not field Lampard alongside Ramires and drop Mikel. Everyone sees this except you. Go siddon. You slowly trying to make this stick.

nateevs:
Let's debunk your crap. Against Arsenal and Stoke, we never pressured them on a high line and as such never had cause to retrieve the ball dropped beyond our back four. Hence there was no need for pace running backwards. For that reason, you cannot suggest that the inclusion of Ramires was cover the slow Mikel. No! Stop the bollocks.

nateevs:
Stop mixing up issues. RDM realised that to go into those two games with a Lamps - Mikel partnership is suicide. [/b]

nateevs:
Dude, Mikel did not take Lamps position. Ramires did. He (Mikel), doesn't have to do what Lamps does. He just needs to be Mikel and defend. Na only you dey see this rubbish.

nateevs:
Good observation El Guapo. You won't get a response from Ibime though. According to him, it's one of RDM's best tactical decisions of last season. Undoing AVB's bullsh1t of playing Ramires in the middle and playing him on the wings where, if he loses the ball, it doesn't affect the team.

Are we now saying RDM's undoing his own best decision or Ibime didn't know know what he was saying and will be forced to change his mind. . . again?

debosky:

Interesting - did this 'lack of pace in the DM position' start today or has it gone on for a while? Nateevs did ask a very good question - is RDM negating one of his 'achievements' in drafting Ramires to the wing by placing him in the 'double pivot'?

debosky:
What happened to Ramires protecting Ivanovic by being an auxiliary RB?

Ibime:
I spoke about Ramires covering Davi Alves, and you are here spewing nonsense to muddy the waters.

Knowing RDM's tactical nature and his instinct for never giving away any opportunity[b] (as evidenced by patching Ramires and Bertrand to provide defensive balance)[/b], RDM can never go into a season thinking that the current defensive midfielders will provide adequate cover for defence-deserters like Marin, Hazard, Torres and Mata.

Ibime:

Eerm. . . the reason why RDM has NEVER played Ramires in central midfield. . . Emenalo bought him as a central midfielder, sees him as a central midfielder, and like I said, signed all these wingers with the thought that Ramires is a central midfielder. . . RDM sees him as a winger, another proof of his insight and another proof that Emenalo is behind signing policy.

debosky:

Did Ramires only play against Dani Alves in all the CL games last season? Or did RDM forget to move Ramires after playing Barca?

Who was he playing ahead of? Was it the LB or the RB?

Who said the following?



Who are the 'defensive balance' guys 'patching'?

A few weeks ago you were trumpeting the 'fact' that RDM had 'never' played him in midfield is because he didn't see him as a DM.



The fat charlatan is exposed again.

"Even at 34, Frank Lampard continues to be a force in the Chelsea midfield. He ran further than all of Chelsea teammates last weekend, clocking up 6.31 miles. His nearest rival for distance covered on the day, Eden Hazard, is 13 years his junior."

Another lie from the pit of hell.

You have not always pointed out anything. According to you, Mikel-Lamps partnership was stable at the start of the season and your preferred formation out of the three.

And according to thus, who is in Mikel's position?

Like I said,, Ramires is playing Mikel's position and Mikel is playing Lampard's position.

The DM is inept in open space, and thats why he has someone is tracking the runs for him.

As for your nonsense chat about "we were not open to counterattack", how come Ivanovic and Cole average position is in the opposition half?

There is no problem with Lampard "bombing forward" as you can see. Last season, both Lamps and Mikel were beasts in the DM position as proven in the UCL. The difference this season is that the team plays further up the pitch so someone quick is needed.

nateevs:
How do the bloody damn pics reveal that Ramires takes Mikel positions and Mikel subsequently, Lampard's? Am I missing something?

nateevs:
Where did I say "we were not open to counter-attack"? Your knack for inventing the unsaid is becoming terminal. You better visit a shrink.

nateevs:
He does a job but he is not "as important" as you make it seem. Ramires does not play in DM. If he did, you'd wish he never wears a Chelsea shirt again.

Ramires is what he is - hard working. Going forward though, he is a massive liability. He cannot keep the ball, his off-the-ball movement is below par, his passing is horrendous, his overall positional discipline is woeful and his first touch has lost so many goals that could have been scored.

With his pace, other players will set fear in the minds of the opposition. Ramires is occupying that position because we don't have another CM. If we transferred Modric to Chelsea, would you rather line up like this. .

It will actually surprise you to know that Romeu is a far better player at tackling.
Ramires, for a CM possesses way less ability. I know he is 23 but I do not know if he can be better.

Ramires is not entirely useless. However, for Chelsea to move to the next level, Ramires will need to take a back seat.

nateevs:
I am sorry Dude. You may be blind but I will show you there is a problem with Lamps bombing forward. The problem is him. Why? Because 9 times out of 10, he won't get that goal but he does not have the pace to cover up the ground he's left exposed behind. Especially as one of full-backs may have been involved in the attacking move, it leaves only one full back, two CBs and the slow Mikel to cope with a counter-attack. Also consider that JT is perhaps even slower than Mikel, you begin the get the consequences of Lamps bombing forward. .

OMO IBO:
I'd like to read nateev's response to this.

I know he is 23 but I do not know if he can be better

Ibime:
A troglodyte chatting nonsense.

We were speaking about Brazil and how Ramires covers Dani Alves runs forward by filling in and you are here chatting about Barcelona.

RDM has managed 35-odd games for Chelsea, and played Ramires in central midfield twice when it became obvious that Mikel and Lamps are too slow for that position, and that is supposed to mean Ramires is RDM's idea of a good central midfielder?

According to RDM "I deployed Ramires because we needed pace in the deeper positions to stop Arsenal".

Its as simple as that.

Ramires is Chelseas only central midfielder with pace. Thats all, not all this reh reh reh that RDM has never seen a midfielder as good as Ramires.

debosky:

(1.) I thunk RDM had NEVER used Ramires as a CM? Were those not your words?

(2.) A few weeks ago you claimed RDM didn't even see Ramires as a CM (apparently only Emenalo did according to the phat phool), now he is the only CM with pace. Confuzzled twit.

Ibime:
(1.) Had rdm ever used Ramirez in central midfield? If so tell us which game.

(2.) someone asked why rdm never used Ramirez in central midfield and I said obviously he doesn't see him as a central midfielder that's why he's never used him there in 8 months.

None of these facts is contradictory or disputable yet you keep trolling like someone who is in dire need of congi.

Is rdms reluctance to play Ramirez in midfield a big secret? Nateevs has told you why in his quote above.

Please if congi dey hook you, go have a one night stand with your right hand.

debosky:
Your dislike of Ramires is clear for all to see - and just like you accuse nateevs, you keep inventing stoopid rationales for him not playing.

nateevs:
Good observation El Guapo. You won't get a response from Ibime though. According to him, it's one of RDM's best tactical decisions of last season. Undoing AVB's bullsh1t of playing Ramires in the middle and playing him on the wings where, if he loses the ball, it doesn't affect the team.

Are we now saying RDM's undoing his own best decision or Ibime didn't know know what he was saying and will be forced to change his mind. . . again?

nateevs:
He does a job but he is not "as important" as you make it seem. Ramires does not play in DM. If he did, you'd wish he never wears a Chelsea shirt again.

Ramires is what he is - hard working. Going forward though, he is a massive liability. He cannot keep the ball, his off-the-ball movement is below par, his passing is horrendous, his overall positional discipline is woeful and his first touch has lost so many goals that could have been scored.

With his pace, other players will set fear in the minds of the opposition. Ramires is occupying that position because we don't have another CM. If we transferred Modric to Chelsea, would you rather line up like this. .

It will actually surprise you to know that Romeu is a far better player at tackling.
Ramires, for a CM possesses way less ability. I know he is 23 but I do not know if he can be better.

Ramires is not entirely useless. However, for Chelsea to move to the next level, Ramires will need to take a back seat.

nateevs:
Regarding Ramires. I give you this.

nateevs:
I know he is 23 but I do not know if he can be better

Guess what? He became better. End of.

Ibime:

You mean stupid rationales like these:

http://www.carefreechronicles.com/2012/08/ramires-talks-strengths-and-weaknesses.html

http://www.weaintgotnohistory.com/2012/8/24/3265546/ramires-best-position-chelsea

http://www.carefreechronicles.com/2012/09/some-thoughts-and-analysis-on-chelsea-1.html


This is a non-story by congi-craving cretinous cockmuncher

coogar: debosky, he should take lessons from bluediva and omo ibo(passive posters) - all they get to say these days are "up chelsea" when chelsea win or "torres is a dud" when chelsea fail to secure 3 points! such comments don't need to be pulled apart by football analysts!

coogar: i know fat frank is a legend. he's been a great servant to chelsea but he's living off past glory now - he's in the category of giggs/scholes....."has beens"