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Re: How Ndigbo Can Get Their Country Peacefully by EsomahJD: 9:17pm On Jul 14, 2023
The only group fixated on Ibos are yourubas. Op is not far from there.
Re: How Ndigbo Can Get Their Country Peacefully by truthhurtsnaira: 9:25pm On Jul 14, 2023
Odibembem:
The truth is that majority of Igbos are sympathetic to IPOB and d quest for Biafra. Their elites may not be but the likes of Peter Obi have enough sympathy for them. And no one should deny a people what they genuinely yearn for. The demerits of a Biafra republic is not for the rest of Nigeria to force on Ndigbo, if that's what their hearts wants then the rest of Nigeria should make the process of achieving it less cumbersome for them.

Nations secede either through wars or legal secession. We have seen what happened in 1966, Ndigbo cannot use war to have their country, God forbid there be another war cos it's not worth it. So the war option is ruled out. The second option is referendum. This is the best option. But it has to be legal meaning the national assembly has to pass a resolution to that effect and even amend d constitution. Would they agree? Not ordinarily except d Igbos do something to indicate that d best option for both sides is for Igbos to go. So how do Igbos prove their readiness? Let me lay out what I think

1. Massive relocation of Igbos and their businesses to the SE such that other regions would feel d impact. Lagos would be empty, Kano, Kaduna, Benin, Port Harcourt and Abuja would all be empty.
2. Energizing the SE economy and integrating it economically and politically. Have uniform economic agenda, setting up functional intergovt agencies and setting up a SE parliament who can make inputs almost similar to laws for d entire SE.
3. SE governors gradually cede powers to a Governing Council of the entire SE
4. Members of individual State Houses of Assembly move motions for a referendum for an independent state. This of course is not binding but it sets everything in motion, it energizes the SE caucus in the National Assembly
4. Categorically define the geographical boundaries of the intending country and do not lay claim to any territory outside the SE. Allow the Igbos in the SS outside d SE or NC as claimed my MNK to make such claims themselves of any intention to join the SE in their Biafra. They have their Senators, House of Reps and House of Assembly members. Let them speak for themselves rather than d people of d SE speaking for d so called Igbos outside their region.
5. Study the trajectory of secession in Africa and the rest of the world, no magic or miracle will make their case different. Up till today, Abiyei province is yet to join South Sudan even though the legendary John Garang was from there. Donesk Region is still part of Ukraine even though it has ethnic Russians and Russia is a super power. Despite letting of blood for decades, Northern Ireland though overwhelmingly majority Irish peoplele have not united with the Republic of Ireland but still part of the UK. The SE for the sake of their Biafra that would bring them eldorado should make sacrifices, u can't be rigid in a negotiation while expecting the other party to shift their position.

Perhaps with the above, the rest of Nigeria would finally let the SE go and do it peacefully and they have the country that would be different from the present SE and different from d rest of Africa.

If however they cannot follow this part, please and please, stop the noise, stop indoctrinating your children negatively and let us all work for a better Nigeria knowing we have no other country of birth.
Very good…but unfortunately only on paper. Black people in general world wide need to change their fundamental way of thinking so that there can be communal progress…. With all the hip hop, afrobeats, celebrity gossip, weaves and wigs, g-wagon, EPL, Hennessy, pastors, NYASH, e go hard for them to minimize PLEASURES and do the needful…

We shall see..
Re: How Ndigbo Can Get Their Country Peacefully by iSense247: 9:34pm On Jul 14, 2023
Odibembem:
1. Massive relocation of Igbos and their businesses to the SE such that other regions would feel d impact. Lagos would be empty, Kano, Kaduna, Benin, Port Harcourt and Abuja would all be empty.
I agree with everything you wrote except your first point. That's not necessary for separation/succession.
Re: How Ndigbo Can Get Their Country Peacefully by LOVEALAIGBO: 2:35am On Jul 15, 2023
Odibembem:
Yawnnnn!!!
So after this your long incoherent epistle, you still have no pathway to achieving your goal. To u everyone is evil, u had d chance at d last elections to elect Biafra centric candidates into d legislature and u indeed did so as u shouted Elupee and terrorized anyone in d SE who dared to vote against Elupee. The NASS results shows that they are indeed your representatives so don't pretend they are not. IREV u are holding as ur holy grail for d phantom Obi presidency didn't fail with d NASS elections so don't disown your men, let them speak for Biafra. But as I earlier said, u don't really want Biafra, u want to use it as a negotiating tool to get d presidency, that's why u guys would never take any concrete step to achieve ur referendum. So in d absence of u making a move, d rest of Nigeria will continue to ignore u as u kill and suffer ur own people in wasted sit at homes. Oh, d video of those little kids, pupils in school uniforms and their teacher, perhaps a mother being flogged by IPOB, d monsters u all groomed, an eternal scar to Ndigbo
It took just one post of mine to strip away that thin veneer of 'detached and neutral analyst' you're using to try and disguise your intense bigotry and hate! This is what someone wanting to give Ndigbo 'advice' said:
Did u just say Ndigbo has massive hydrocarbon? Where exactly? Why do u like to appropriate what's not yours? Tomoro u will say people hate Igbos, it's cos of this coveteous attitude u guys have. Don't know if they teach u from d cradle but it seems to be a cultural problem.......
Dude, take that your poisoined and unsolicited advice and firmly shove it where the sun don't shine! The day Ndigbo start taking advice from a cretinous bigot like you is the day i'll recommend they all go see a shrink!

Why are you so intent on finding out IPOBs 'pathway to achieving their goal'? Like i asked before....how TF is that any of your business? As a 'one Nigerianist' shouldn't you rather be bothered about the daily preventable deaths and murders occuring all over your country.....coupled with its sinking socio-economic fortunes and the widening schisms between its component parts?

Not 'everyone' is evil....just you and your sort!

Its a bit rich...a vile Tinubu minion having the temerity to accuse others of 'terrorising voters in the south-east who dared to vote against elupee'! Can you cite instances where and when this happened? I'd likewise provide video and corroborated instances where you Tinubu minions acted true to your thuggish type in the run-up and during the last round of elections!

You talk as if any Igbo had alternative to the last elections! The alternative some of us are seeking....you've sworn to do everything, even spill blood, to ensure that alternative is not given a voice! A similar situation would be you arguing that Nigerians PRESENTLY have an alternative to the Fulani imposed 1999 'constitution'! Working with the status-quo forced on you doesn't necessarily mean you endorse it!

What proof or logical argument can you put forward to support your daft assertion that 'IPOB were flogging pupils, teachers...and possibly mothers'? When i talk of red lines Ndigbo don't cross, this is a good example of such! Dude, i put it to you that those bastards engaged in that despicable and dehumanising act, recording it and uploading to social-media for anti-IPOB propaganda purposes and for you to jerk off to...THEY ARE NOT IGBO! Their actions are reminiscent of the Fulani python dance soldiers who dehumanised innocent young agitators by asking them to lie down in mud while they took pics to upload on social-media! Your kind cheered them on and asked for more!

Finally, you are yet to tell us your own ethnicity! I'm Igbo....from Rivers state, so lets know where you're from in your response!
Re: How Ndigbo Can Get Their Country Peacefully by Emergingnation(m): 6:16am On Jul 15, 2023
Roger3D:
Not ever gonna happen. You can continue to agitate with your terrorism for all the rest of us care
Says low IQ unity begging stunts, that can never imagine his life without Ndigbo.. It will happen in your life time...

Typical Yoruba Muslim !
Re: How Ndigbo Can Get Their Country Peacefully by Emergingnation(m): 6:46am On Jul 15, 2023
flokii:
That's a pipe dream really.. Where will biafura get money and resources to function?. Or you didn't know the South East relies solely on monies generated from SW, SS and North paid to them as allocations for survival??.

Go and follow the civil war stories and check what gave Igbo kids and adults kwashiorkor at the time.. Nigeria stopped supplying them food. Like they were fighting Nigeria and still hoping on same Nigeria to feed them. That's crass fo0lishness if you ask me.
Says misformed Yoruba Muslim, that is afraid of standing alone without Ndigbo in Nigeria, cos their skull mining region relied 99% on Nigeria for surviver.. grin once imminent disintegration of this shithole takes place, they'll as a matter of fact go into Oblivion.

The largest gas deposits in Africa is domicile in SE.... So it is going to be use in development of Biafra republic..

The actualisation of sovereign state of Biafra is a tasks that must be accomplished..

Vid vid Biafra

Re: How Ndigbo Can Get Their Country Peacefully by lawani(m): 6:27pm On Jul 17, 2023
The idea that Igbos are most dispersed in Nigeria is wrong but they may be the ones to feel more relaxed in other places. Here that I am in Ilesa the two non Yorubas with shops on this street are two ladies. One from Akwa Ibom and one from Nassarawa. Before you see Igbos you will get to center of the town but I have also met a bus driver and an okada rider. Oba Yoruba say 500k Yorubas are in Anambra alone which is almost ten percent of the population and he might be right. Not to talk of PH. Aside all that the break-up of Nigeria does not mean that anybody will relocate or even lose their jobs at all. They will continue working or doing business wherever they are. Break up is mainly for security reasons to be more orderly promote your culture and etc. There can even be an arrangement to share the oil money but I think the oil should be taken by the UN
Re: How Ndigbo Can Get Their Country Peacefully by oyatz(m): 8:02pm On Jul 17, 2023
Cooly100:
You are childish...these rubbish will NEVER work..

You are simply putting the cart before the horse.

You want one country yet you share power with yourself...giving others no sense of belonging...

You want one country when the president only trust members of his tribe.?

Nigeria has been together since 1914...and instead of cementing the gaps..the gaps are widening with intensity...
The topic is NOT about one Nigeria but how Igbos can get Biafra peacefully.

Getting Biafra will solve all the problems the Igbos claim to they are having in Nigeria.
Re: How Ndigbo Can Get Their Country Peacefully by oyatz(m): 8:04pm On Jul 17, 2023
mrvitalis:
The funny thing is most of you don't read, you don't do research

Yes IPOB want Biafra.. But has never asked for Biafra.. Only ikpea is saying give us Biafra

IPOB position is, give the people of the old eastern Region referendum to decide if they want to stay in Nigeria or Biafra

After that we can sit to draw the map of people who wants to go with Biafra
Old Eastern Region has ceased to exist.

Nobody gives IPOB any mandate to be making any demand.
Re: How Ndigbo Can Get Their Country Peacefully by Nobody: 8:25pm On Jul 17, 2023
Best way for them to secede. By now most Nigerians wish they can really get their secession though.
Re: How Ndigbo Can Get Their Country Peacefully by Nobody: 8:29pm On Jul 17, 2023
9japride:
South east is the pride of Nigeria. If north or south west says they want to leave nobody will hold them back.
Oil/gas is one of the sweetest thing in this world.
Niger Delta oil has been feeding Nigeria and still feeding Nigeria till tomorrow, that is South South, emanating from old Bendel state. Nobody is holding you back, you need to do your referendum, first Igbo parliamentarians in national assembly should ask for secession clause to be added to our laws, start from there, then do your referendum. Stop saying allow us to go, or do referendum for us, it sounds ignorant. In house of assembly Igbo lawmakers are there enjoying Nigeria's money none is doing the needful. Why will Nigeria love you so much, you that is so problematic.

I don't know if it's ignorance or just trying to feel important, Mr man nobody wants you.
Re: How Ndigbo Can Get Their Country Peacefully by blaqoracle:
Kenneth4u205:
Inequality is what gave rise to Biafra quest.treat every tribe equally and you won't hear any Igbo mention Biafra again
has Igbo even treated Igbo well? Why is there still osu in Igbo land? Igbos are not ready to go anywhere because they are actually benefitting from Nigeria more than any other ethnii group through blackmail and subtle threat.
Re: How Ndigbo Can Get Their Country Peacefully by 9japride(m): 8:38am On Jul 18, 2023
FacilitatorLekk:
Niger Delta oil has been feeding Nigeria and still feeding Nigeria till tomorrow, that is South South, emanating from old Bendel state. Nobody is holding you back, you need to do your referendum, first Igbo parliamentarians in national assembly should ask for secession clause to be added to our laws, start from there, then do your referendum. Stop saying allow us to go, or do referendum for us, it sounds ignorant. In house of assembly Igbo lawmakers are there enjoying Nigeria's money none is doing the needful. Why will Nigeria love you so much, you that is so problematic.

I don't know if it's ignorance or just trying to feel important, Mr man nobody wants you.
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You are funny. Your state politicians and all 9ja political cabals know the importance of South East to Nigeria survival.
They can't imagine south east leaving the country. You better go and study the south east and get informed.
Re: How Ndigbo Can Get Their Country Peacefully by 9japride(m): 8:40am On Jul 18, 2023
Odibembem:
You don't just say u want to leave without taking the necessary steps rather u are killing your own people and economy. This write up has outlined the step by step means u can use to secede peacefully. If u follow these steps, I assure u d rest of Nigeria won't hold u back
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If you say so, the day south east will leave Nigeria will be the most happiest day in the entire world. The celebration will last for more than one month.
South eastern Nigeria mindset and ideology of life is totally different from the other zones. It's just because of greed for oil/gas from the political class and also the over sabi personal ambition of Azikiwe that makes it difficult for east to leave.
Re: How Ndigbo Can Get Their Country Peacefully by Nobody: 9:06am On Jul 18, 2023
9japride:
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You are funny. Your state politicians and all 9ja political cabals know the importance of South East to Nigeria survival.
They can't imagine south east leaving the country. You better go and study the south east and get informed.
In your delusional mind. Look into your house of representatives task them to push a bill for secession to be added to the constitution. Nobody send you oga, una problem too much. Why will anyone like to be with problematic people?

Go ask Nnamdi Azikiwe and our founding fathers why they signed the declaration, stop trying to feed your fragile ego. Nobody is holding you back. If you use violence the state will react. Stop feeding your fragile ego with bullshit. Niger Delta, south South is the golden goose. If you go do business in other parts of Nigeria, that is for your own benefits and profit, your business you do, the money is for your pocket. Everyone gets paid in Nigeria, nobody feeds anyone. Nobody loves you or want you, we all came and saw ourselves in this contraption. Niger Delta freedom fighter Isaac Adaka Boro was the first freedom fighter in Nigeria, he faced the Nigerian state, even before ojukwu declared Biafra, he was confronted by Nigerian army, so did MEND and the militant factions, it's normal for government to fight back and refuse violent secession, stop feeding your fragile ego...or you are not aware of the struggles between Niger Delta South South freedom fighters and FG?
Re: How Ndigbo Can Get Their Country Peacefully by 9japride(m): 10:03am On Jul 18, 2023
FacilitatorLekk:
In your delusional mind. Look into your house of representatives task them to push a bill for secession to be added to the constitution. Nobody send you oga, una problem too much. Why will anyone like to be with problematic people?

Go ask Nnamdi Azikiwe and our founding fathers why they signed the declaration, stop trying to feed your fragile ego. Nobody is holding you back. If you use violence the state will react. Stop feeding your fragile ego with bullshit. Niger Delta, south South is the golden goose. If you go do business in other parts of Nigeria, that is for your own benefits and profit, your business you do, the money is for your pocket. Everyone gets paid in Nigeria, nobody feeds anyone. Nobody loves you or want you, we all came and saw ourselves in this contraption. Niger Delta freedom fighter Isaac Adaka Boro was the first freedom fighter in Nigeria, he faced the Nigerian state, even before ojukwu declared Biafra, he was confronted by Nigerian army, so did MEND and the militant factions, it's normal for government to fight back and refuse violent secession, stop feeding your fragile ego...or you are not aware of the struggles between Niger Delta South South freedom fighters and FG?
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I don't want to argue with you. You think south is happy being with people who don't value hard work rather benefiting from quota system?
The oil/gas, human resources, tourists sites, agricultural Lands, solid minerals etc are enough for the south eastern part of Nigeria.
The hatred most regions have towards south east is mainly out of envy. Na Africa we dey and we all understand the mindset of majority of people. So forgot this long talk. I am very sure in future things will work out fine. It will be nice you guys control your zones and south east controls theirs.
Normally, south eastern politicians are taking advantage of Abuja connection obstruct to south east having their own country. The political structure is so messed and it will be very difficult for the country to catch up with developed countries.
Re: How Ndigbo Can Get Their Country Peacefully by Nobody: 10:07am On Jul 18, 2023
9japride:
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I don't want to argue with you. You think south is happy being with people who don't value hard work rather benefiting from quota system?
The oil/gas, human resources, tourists sites, agricultural Lands, solid minerals etc are enough for the south eastern part of Nigeria.
The hatred most regions have towards south east is mainly out of envy. Na Africa we dey and we all understand the mindset of majority of people. So forgot this long talk. I am very sure in future things will work out fine. It will be nice you guys control your zones and south east controls theirs.
Normally, south eastern politicians are taking advantage of Abuja connection obstruct to south east having their own country. The political structure is so messed and it will be very difficult for the country to catch up with developed countries.
Go and sleep, the Op gave you practical steps to get your secession, follow it and go... nobody wants or need you.
Re: How Ndigbo Can Get Their Country Peacefully by lawani(m): 10:23am On Jul 18, 2023
9japride:
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I don't want to argue with you. You think south is happy being with people who don't value hard work rather benefiting from quota system?
The oil/gas, human resources, tourists sites, agricultural Lands, solid minerals etc are enough for the south eastern part of Nigeria.
The hatred most regions have towards south east is mainly out of envy. Na Africa we dey and we all understand the mindset of majority of people. So forgot this long talk. I am very sure in future things will work out fine. It will be nice you guys control your zones and south east controls theirs.
Normally, south eastern politicians are taking advantage of Abuja connection obstruct to south east having their own country. The political structure is so messed and it will be very difficult for the country to catch up with developed countries.
Why are you saying people envy you when nothing shows you are better than them? It is insultive if you don't know. All groups control their land and over seventy percent of real estate therein as well as SMEs, industries and etc. As a person you can be better through self development and as a group it is only by developing the land under your control so there is no reason to say any group is envying another but all group should continue improving themselves as there is always room for improvement. Why should Hausa envy Igbo or vice versa? And etc
Re: How Ndigbo Can Get Their Country Peacefully by 9japride(m): 10:38am On Jul 18, 2023
lawani:
Why are you saying people envy you when nothing shows you are better than them? It is insultive if you don't know. All groups control their land and over seventy percent of real estate therein as well as SMEs, industries and etc. As a person you can be better through self development and as a group it is only by developing the land under your control so there is no reason to say any group is envying another but all group should continue improving themselves as there is always room for improvement. Why should Hausa envy Igbo or vice versa? And etc
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The issue of envy is real. The country needs to come to a round table and everyone should voice out their mind. Nigeria could have been a very powerful country if not for tribalism and religious influences. You need to go to other social medias and see what fellow countrymen are posting about Igbos. The young Igbo people should be cautious when dealing with people who don't wish them well.
Those always saying Igbos will never be president are capable of causing bodily harm to a south Easterner if given the opportunity. Such evil minded people if given political power can create policies to limit the growth of Eastern Nigeria. You should understand that we are all humans and every human is capable of anything especially wickedness.
The constant attack of south east in nairaland is not normal. Must it always be about the Igbos? Envy is the driving force.
Go to Abuja and Lagos especially on Sundays and see the beautiful Igbos and their nice cars going their normal business, but such sight creates resentment.
I really wonder what goes in the mind of those creating hateful topics in nairaland everyday? If they are not getting paid for such childish acts, then it should be a normal wicked and hateful behaviour.
Some will say they are just joking and no one should take it to heart, that's a big lie. Why can't nairaland be a place where we all can relate with each in a positive manner?
Re: How Ndigbo Can Get Their Country Peacefully by 9japride(m): 10:42am On Jul 18, 2023
FacilitatorLekk:
Go and sleep, the Op gave you practical steps to get your secession, follow it and go... nobody wants or need you.
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We don't need you either. We all can be happy in our various regions as an independent entity. Let this matter rest.
Re: How Ndigbo Can Get Their Country Peacefully by lawani(m): 10:48am On Jul 18, 2023
9japride:
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The issue of envy is real. The country needs to come to a round table and everyone should voice out their mind. Nigeria could have been a very powerful country if not for tribalism and religious influences. You need to go to other social medias and see what fellow countrymen are posting about Igbos. The young Igbo people should be cautious when dealing with people who don't wish them well.
Those always saying Igbos will never be president are capable of causing bodily harm to a south Easterner if given the opportunity. Such evil minded people if given political power can create policies to limit the growth of Eastern Nigeria. You should understand that we are all humans and every human is capable of anything especially wickedness.
The constant attack of south east in nairaland is not normal. Must it always be about the Igbos? Envy is the driving force.
Go to Abuja and Lagos especially on Sundays and see the beautiful Igbos and their nice cars going their normal business, but such sight creates resentment.
I really wonder what goes in the mind of those creating hateful topics in nairaland everyday? If they are not getting paid for such childish acts, then it should be a normal wicked and hateful behaviour.
Some will say they are just joking and no one should take it to heart, that's a big lie. Why can't nairaland be a place where we all can relate with each in a positive manner?
The envy is in your mind. Most Igbos are struggling both in Lagos and in the SE. What do Igbos have for people to envy them? and nobody has ever attacked them in Lagos but the ones that feel people don't like them should relocate to other places where people like them. Even if they have which they don't, not every body is moved by material things. On this naira land, what you will find are Igbos creating threads and making statements to cause non existent division among Yorubas far more than Yorubas doing the same thing to Igbos. What you accuse others of is what you are guilty of.
Re: How Ndigbo Can Get Their Country Peacefully by 9japride(m): 11:10am On Jul 18, 2023
lawani:
The envy is in your mind. Most Igbos are struggling both in Lagos and in the SE. What do Igbos have for people to envy them? and nobody has ever attacked them in Lagos but the ones that feel people don't like them should relocate to other places where people like them. Even if they have which they don't, not every body is moved by material things. On this naira land, what you will find are Igbos creating threads and making statements to cause non existent division among Yorubas far more than Yorubas doing the same thing to Igbos. What you accuse others of is what you are guilty of.
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Though, I have already said my own. Nobody should be deceived by statement that the envy and hate is not real. The enemy usually creates a sense of calm then he/she will attack the victim unaware.
The present times in this our generation is full of funny characters and politics gives a lot of people opportunities to carry out their personal or group bad intentions towards those they hate.
Those people from south east who do create funny topics too, I believe is mostly in response to those attacking them with mischievous posts.
For example, a northern will prefer to associate with those from Chad, Niger republic etc rather than a fellow southern Nigerian. Is that nice?
Or is it the west that will rather work for the north rather than it's fellow southern brother?
Oppression, insincerity and injustice usually create bad blood among people. If we let those greedy politicians from all regions to use the people for the own selfish gains, then no one is to blame.
For example, what the south west did by having the president doesn't show good brotherly love. They where once in the seat of the president, it could have been morally right to support the south east especially to have it this time. But due to normal 'chancing' ways of the average man, they can take everything and others can go to hell.
That's not how to build a nation. Same thing usually happens in the education institutes regarding SUG elections and also oppression from cultist.
They eventually carry such oppressive mindset to the national level.
Our society needs serious brain resetting.
Re: How Ndigbo Can Get Their Country Peacefully by lawani(m): 11:31am On Jul 18, 2023
9japride:
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Though, I have already said my own. Nobody should be deceived by statement that the envy and hate is not real. The enemy usually creates a sense of calm then he/she will attack the victim unaware.
The present times in this our generation is full of funny characters and politics gives a lot of people opportunities to carry out their personal or group bad intentions towards those they hate.
Those people from south east who do create funny topics too, I believe is mostly in response to those attacking them with mischievous posts.
For example, a northern will prefer to associate with those from Chad, Niger republic etc rather than a fellow southern Nigerian. Is that nice?
Or is it the west that will rather work for the north rather than it's fellow southern brother?
Oppression, insincerity and injustice usually create bad blood among people. If we let those greedy politicians from all regions to use the people for the own selfish gains, then no one is to blame.
For example, what the south west did by having the president doesn't show good brotherly love. They where once in the seat of the president, it could have been morally right to support the south east especially to have it this time. But due to normal 'chancing' ways of the average man, they can take everything and others can go to hell.
That's not how to build a nation. Same thing usually happens in the education institutes regarding SUG elections and also oppression from cultist.
They eventually carry such oppressive mindset to the national level.
Our society needs serious brain resetting.
Problem is who are they going to support among Igbos is the issue and if you check all indices then most successful politician in this 4th republic is Tinubu though I have my own reservations against him but Lagos is the most successful and numbers don't lie and if your state is depending on allocations then you are not a successful governor. Then if you are Yoruba or Hausa can you vote for Peter Obi who is hobnobbing with Nnamdi Kanu given what Nnamdi Kanu broadcasts on his radio Biafra?. If any Igbo politician distinguishes self then the person will be irresistible but no one so far. Then if every group is in charge of their security and economy who cares who is President but if not, you have to watch it carefully. If they want Nigeria to work then free all minorites from oppression, give state on demand, allow state police and let there be a proper federation with states remitting to the center and representation allocated by tax contribution to the center. Any other thing is oppression.
Re: How Ndigbo Can Get Their Country Peacefully by 9japride(m): 11:45am On Jul 18, 2023
lawani:
Problem is who are they going to support among Igbos is the issue and if you check all indices then most successful politician in this 4th republic is Tinubu though I have my own reservations against him but Lagos is the most successful and numbers don't lie and if your state is depending on allocations then you are not a successful governor. Then if you are Yoruba or Hausa can you vote for Peter Obi who is hobnobbing with Nnamdi Kanu given what Nnamdi Kanu broadcasts on his radio Biafra?. If any Igbo politician distinguishes self then the person will be irresistible but no one so far. Then if every group is in charge of their security and economy who cares who is President but if not, you have to watch it carefully. If they want Nigeria to work then free all minorites from oppression, give state on demand, allow state police and let there be a proper federation with states remitting to the center and representation allocated by tax contribution to the center. Any other thing is oppression.
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Buhari that try to defend those boko haram people in addition to programmes created for repented BH guys was still respected. What are boko haram really fighting for?
The present security challenges in south is just political motivated. An average Igbo man will always prefer to have he's own country. Peter was the better candidate among all other contestants. Though, he's not a saint but he relates well with the common man and he's a business man. Majority of those our politicians eating from government money. Such people can never never make a good leader. Lagos is well positioned in a way that even a dummy will perform well.
Everyone should continue with their selfish goals, such acts can never make a country great. Anywhere that has a high percentage of injustice is never always peaceful or progressive. That's just the truth. People still carry grudges of 1966 coup and the war too in their mind, such unsettled matters can negatively affect the peace and unity among the people. We all should all learn to apologize and also forgive one another. I am patiently waiting for the north to criticize Tinubu government. They never made any statement when Buhari was just ruling the country anyhow.
No one should listen to them, since the mindset of 'we can take everything and others can go to hell' is what everyone likes.
Re: How Ndigbo Can Get Their Country Peacefully by lawani(m): 11:57am On Jul 18, 2023
9japride:
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Buhari that try to defend those boko haram people in addition to programmes created for repented BH guys was still respected. What are boko haram really fighting for?
The present security challenges in south is just political motivated. An average Igbo man will always prefer to have he's own country. Peter was the better candidate among all other contestants. Though, he's not a saint but he relates well with the common man and he's a business man. Majority of those our politicians eating from government money. Such people can never never make a good leader. Lagos is well positioned in a way that even a dummy will perform well.
Everyone should continue with their selfish goals, such acts can never make a country great. Anywhere that has a high percentage of injustice is never always peaceful or progressive. That's just the truth. People still carry grudges of 1966 coup and the war too in their mind, such unsettled matters can negatively affect the peace and unity among the people. We all should all learn to apologize and also forgive one another. I am patiently waiting for the north to criticize Tinubu government. They never made any statement when Buhari was just ruling the country anyhow.
No one should listen to them, since the mindset of 'we can take everything and others can go to hell' is what everyone likes.
Even this Peter Obi you are talking about was asked on Arise tv by Reuben Abati how he became a billionaire and he was not able to say anything! Can such a man make a good leader? Can such a man rise in any serious society?. The only advantage Lagos have is population and if you have a quarter of Lagos population which many states have and you use your advantage of land which Lagos does not have then you will beat Lagos. After all all foods consumed in Lagos are imported from other states. For me any governor of five million population state that is waiting for allocation can not be the President that will change Nigeria. States have power over income tax and that is all they need to change their state. Kaduna's economy is almost as big as Lagos because they registered 100k WAEC students when Lagos did 140k and the next was around 70k or over. If a governor of Kaduna can't change Kaduna then how can the person inspire others to change Nigeria?. Once again I am not in support of Tinubu for personal reasons but only quota system can put Peter Obi ahead of him.
Re: How Ndigbo Can Get Their Country Peacefully by 9japride(m): 1:57pm On Jul 18, 2023
lawani:
Even this Peter Obi you are talking about was asked on Arise tv by Reuben Abati how he became a billionaire and he was not able to say anything! Can such a man make a good leader? Can such a man rise in any serious society?. The only advantage Lagos have is population and if you have a quarter of Lagos population which many states have and you use your advantage of land which Lagos does not have then you will beat Lagos. After all all foods consumed in Lagos are imported from other states. For me any governor of five million population state that is waiting for allocation can not be the President that will change Nigeria. States have power over income tax and that is all they need to change their state. Kaduna's economy is almost as big as Lagos because they registered 100k WAEC students when Lagos did 140k and the next was around 70k or over. If a governor of Kaduna can't change Kaduna then how can the person inspire others to change Nigeria?. Once again I am not in support of Tinubu for personal reasons but only quota system can put Peter Obi ahead of him.
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Peter Obi comes from a wealthy family. Majority of the traders in Onitsha are very wealthy and you need to travel to their various villages and see the massive buildings they all have. Them no dey depend on government or civil service money.
It's unfortunate we missed the opportunity to have someone like Peter Obi.
1999/2000 era of 9ja politics was terrible and now they are all regrouping to come back to government. Is that how a nation can grow? Even if Peter Obi was directly sent from heaven a lot of bigots will never vote for him because of the hatred they have towards south east.
Lagos is the smallest state in Nigeria, yet they want to choke it with a lot of infrastructure. More people will keep trooping in to Lagos.
Kaduna state has more federal government presence than most south eastern states combined due to northern politics.
Africa is still the way it is due to funny way of reasoning. How can political leaders be moving comfortable in dusty and archaic looking communities?
Don't they travel abroad and see how a modern society should look like. Having a responsible leader goes a long way in changing any society positively. Nigerians should continuing based on tribes and religion. But when it comes to oil money they are friends to those they hate.
Re: How Ndigbo Can Get Their Country Peacefully by lawani(m): 2:11pm On Jul 18, 2023
9japride:
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Peter Obi comes from a wealthy family. Majority of the traders in Onitsha are very wealthy and you need to travel to their various villages and see the massive buildings they all have. Them no dey depend on government or civil service money.
It's unfortunate we missed the opportunity to have someone like Peter Obi.
1999/2000 era of 9ja politics was terrible and now they are all regrouping to come back to government. Is that how a nation can grow? Even if Peter Obi was directly sent from heaven a lot of bigots will never vote for him because of the hatred they have towards south east.
Lagos is the smallest state in Nigeria, yet they want to choke it with a lot of infrastructure. More people will keep trooping in to Lagos.
Kaduna state has more federal government presence than most south eastern states combined due to northern politics.
Africa is still the way it is due to funny way of reasoning. How can political leaders be moving comfortable in dusty and archaic looking communities?
Don't they travel abroad and see how a modern society should look like. Having a responsible leader goes a long way in changing any society positively. Nigerians should continuing based on tribes and religion. But when it comes to oil money they are friends to those they hate.
If he got seed capital from his family, why not say so on TV or what is the big deal in that?. Trading is competitive and the margin is always very low. Real wealth is made from production and in Onitsha, mass producers of clothes and etc will be among the most well to do and those ones are not doing buying and selling, they are adding value. Traders will see one hundred million with 500k profit inside it while a farmer will see 5 million with 4.7 million profit inside. As Anambra has big markets, the place is not richer than Osun state of a similar population
Re: How Ndigbo Can Get Their Country Peacefully by 9japride(m): 4:17pm On Jul 18, 2023
lawani:
If he got seed capital from his family, why not say so on TV or what is the big deal in that?. Trading is competitive and the margin is always very low. Real wealth is made from production and in Onitsha, mass producers of clothes and etc will be among the most well to do and those ones are not doing buying and selling, they are adding value. Traders will see one hundred million with 500k profit inside it while a farmer will see 5 million with 4.7 million profit inside. As Anambra has big markets, the place is not richer than Osun state of a similar population
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Peter doesn't need to boost, he's a simple man. Just like late Ojukwu he's father was a very wealthy man. Traders are really making money.
For example those selling spare parts can never be poor because equipment/engines will always need services.
Don't say so, you need to travel to the east and see things for yourself. Nnewi is small China. They produce a lot of things there. Don't joke with those business men, these days most of the traders are graduate. After schooling they take over from their family business.
The west can take advantage of Lagos especially Ogun state to become a mega city. But our politicians are not serious.
Due to Lagos as former capital and the influence of businesses in Lagos, a lot South westerners became very rich.
Majority of people making it big from farming are those who got funds from government illegally through corruption and invested it in large scale farms. Using mechanised system of agriculture. The common man are still doing local farming.
The west I believe are making millions codely from agriculture.
If we can have a sincere leader that can encourage every zone to be useful, this country will be great.
Re: How Ndigbo Can Get Their Country Peacefully by lawani(m): 4:25pm On Jul 18, 2023
9japride:
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Peter doesn't need to boost, he's a simple man. Just like late Ojukwu he's father was a very wealthy man. Traders are really making money.
For example those selling spare parts can never be poor because equipment/engines will always need services.
Don't say so, you need to travel to the east and see things for yourself. Nnewi is small China. They produce a lot of things there. Don't joke with those business men, these days most of the traders are graduate. After schooling they take over from their family business.
The west can take advantage of Lagos especially Ogun state to become a mega city. But our politicians are not serious.
Due to Lagos as former capital and the influence of businesses in Lagos, a lot South westerners became very rich.
Majority of people making it big from farming are those who got funds from government illegally through corruption and invested it in large scale farms. Using mechanised system of agriculture. The common man are still doing local farming.
The west I believe are making millions codely from agriculture.
If we can have a sincere leader that can encourage every zone to be useful, this country will be great.
Somebody contesting elections should have answered clearly that question posed on air by Reuben Abati.
Yes there is a big market in Anambra but I may also be able to list ten multi million dollar industries in Osun that are much larger than what can be found in that sector in Anambra. That is the beauty of specialization. There is money to be made everywhere.
Re: How Ndigbo Can Get Their Country Peacefully by HitlerWasRight: 4:31pm On Jul 18, 2023
The only way is to adopt the 1966 northern approach that saw them running back to their yeast
Re: How Ndigbo Can Get Their Country Peacefully by Odibembem(op): 4:45pm On Jul 18, 2023
9japride:
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Peter Obi comes from a wealthy family. Majority of the traders in Onitsha are very wealthy and you need to travel to their various villages and see the massive buildings they all have. Them no dey depend on government or civil service money.
It's unfortunate we missed the opportunity to have someone like Peter Obi.
1999/2000 era of 9ja politics was terrible and now they are all regrouping to come back to government. Is that how a nation can grow? Even if Peter Obi was directly sent from heaven a lot of bigots will never vote for him because of the hatred they have towards south east.
Lagos is the smallest state in Nigeria, yet they want to choke it with a lot of infrastructure. More people will keep trooping in to Lagos.
Kaduna state has more federal government presence than most south eastern states combined due to northern politics.
Africa is still the way it is due to funny way of reasoning. How can political leaders be moving comfortable in dusty and archaic looking communities?
Don't they travel abroad and see how a modern society should look like. Having a responsible leader goes a long way in changing any society positively. Nigerians should continuing based on tribes and religion. But when it comes to oil money they are friends to those they hate.
What exactly did we miss in not electing Obi as u said? I was transferred to work in Onitsha July 2003 when Ngige was still governor and worked there till 2007 before I left for Enugu. There was nothing spectacular that Obi did. Ngige's roads were more solid than his, Obi did not introduce modern transportation to that state, all through his tenure it's was rickety buses and okada. No agency like LASTMA to control traffic, no Waste Mgt agency like LAWMA, Onitsha remained dirty, no towns that he recaimed from d massive erosion to ravaged d state or any new city he built. He did not introduce a healthcare scheme that was revolutionary, he did not provide pipe borne water, he did not reform tax collection to make Anambra less dependant on FAAC, in fsct between him and Ngige and Obiano, he performed d less in growing IGR. Politically he did not allow govt at d grassroots level, he refused to conduct local govt elections till his final year meaning he confiscated their allocation all through. And in d end he made himself godfather as he railroaded an Obiano who was Executive Director in a bank he had major interest, Fidelity Bank. Without Obi, Obiano would never even contest for house of assembly so Obi was guilty of everything Tinubu was accused of when it comes to godfatherism just that he was not a successful one as Obiano dethroned him in a few years. My question is what was d Anambra template Obi was expected to translate to Nigeriahuh
Re: How Ndigbo Can Get Their Country Peacefully by DeadCountry: 4:53pm On Jul 18, 2023
Any one that think getting Biafra is not through violence should have his ewedu, gbegiri and amala skull mining head examined. We are going to get Biafra restored by fire by force and it have already started.
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