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Re: How Ndigbo Can Get Their Country Peacefully by Nobody: 4:54pm On Jul 18, 2023
Fake people. You want independence but want to fight to rule our country at the same time. Fools
Re: How Ndigbo Can Get Their Country Peacefully by DeadCountry: 4:58pm On Jul 18, 2023
tundein18:
Fake people. You want independence but want to fight to rule our country at the same time. Fools
Who want to fight to rule over your cesspit called nigeria? I guess only mad people.
Re: How Ndigbo Can Get Their Country Peacefully by Nobody: 4:59pm On Jul 18, 2023
DeadCountry:
Who want to fight to rile over your cesspit called nigeria? I guess only mad people.
I hope you’re not a hoebi supporter then
Re: How Ndigbo Can Get Their Country Peacefully by lawani(m): 5:00pm On Jul 18, 2023
DeadCountry:
Any one that think getting Biafra is not through violence should have his ewedu, gbegiri and amala skull mining head examined. We are going to get Biafra restored by fire by force and it have already started.
In this modern world no one would allow you murder people over such an issue
Re: How Ndigbo Can Get Their Country Peacefully by DeadCountry: 5:07pm On Jul 18, 2023
tundein18:
I hope you’re not a hoebi supporter then
Your cesspit called nigeria is down and destroyed already. Why should i think of your cesspit's politics and who participates in it?
Re: How Ndigbo Can Get Their Country Peacefully by DeadCountry: 5:09pm On Jul 18, 2023
lawani:
In this modern world no one would allow you murder people over such an issue
You terrorists are already murdering millions of Biafrans to keep your cesspit called nigeria one, why do you think there will not be any retaliation? Are you drunk on some fura de nunu shit or something?
Re: How Ndigbo Can Get Their Country Peacefully by Nobody: 5:09pm On Jul 18, 2023
DeadCountry:
Your cesspit called nigeria is down and destroyed already. Why should i think of your cesspit's politics and who participates in it?
Clearly not if you’re still in pain grin
Re: How Ndigbo Can Get Their Country Peacefully by plaindealer: 5:16pm On Jul 18, 2023
You that cannot survive or obtain your daily bread without Japa to the SW for survival dey shout referendum and moving back to SE.

As much as I hope and pray that all of you vacate the SW and go back to your villages, I know it's impossible because many of you are not stupid enough to hand over your investments, safety and security to some rag tag illiterate ipob terrorists.


I mean, do you think the average ibo man or woman living and making his money peacefully in the SW or the North is ready to give all that up just to go and become a sit at home slave with his business burnt and destroyed or even get beheaded.


Jokes..
Re: How Ndigbo Can Get Their Country Peacefully by 9japride(m): 6:21pm On Jul 18, 2023
Odibembem:
What exactly did we miss in not electing Obi as u said? I was transferred to work in Onitsha July 2003 when Ngige was still governor and worked there till 2007 before I left for Enugu. There was nothing spectacular that Obi did. Ngige's roads were more solid than his, Obi did not introduce modern transportation to that state, all through his tenure it's was rickety buses and okada. No agency like LASTMA to control traffic, no Waste Mgt agency like LAWMA, Onitsha remained dirty, no towns that he recaimed from d massive erosion to ravaged d state or any new city he built. He did not introduce a healthcare scheme that was revolutionary, he did not provide pipe borne water, he did not reform tax collection to make Anambra less dependant on FAAC, in fsct between him and Ngige and Obiano, he performed d less in growing IGR. Politically he did not allow govt at d grassroots level, he refused to conduct local govt elections till his final year meaning he confiscated their allocation all through. And in d end he made himself godfather as he railroaded an Obiano who was Executive Director in a bank he had major interest, Fidelity Bank. Without Obi, Obiano would never even contest for house of assembly so Obi was guilty of everything Tinubu was accused of when it comes to godfatherism just that he was not a successful one as Obiano dethroned him in a few years. My question is what was d Anambra template Obi was expected to translate to Nigeriahuh
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What I know presently, Peter Obi has the zeal to effect change in this country. Things have really changed and presently due to much awareness, Peter Obi was willing to make use of the intelligent youths in he's government.
He may not have done perfectly well, but he created the foundation for good governance in Anambra. If Anambra state had the kind of money Lagos state had, the state could have developed rapidly.
The Obidients people are all hard working guys and not thugs like other political parties supporters that love stomach infrastructure.
Re: How Ndigbo Can Get Their Country Peacefully by lawani(m): 6:23pm On Jul 18, 2023
9japride:
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What I know presently, Peter Obi has the zeal to effect change in this country. Things have really changed and presently due to much awareness, Peter Obi was willing to make use of the intelligent youths in he's government.
He may not have done perfectly well, but he created the foundation for good governance in Anambra. If Anambra state had the kind of money Lagos state had, the state could have developed rapidly.
The Obidients people are all hard working guys and not thugs like other political parties supporters that love stomach infrastructure.
Anambra has more than one quarter of Lagos population and can make more than one third of Lagos IGR
Re: How Ndigbo Can Get Their Country Peacefully by 9japride(m): 6:25pm On Jul 18, 2023
lawani:
Somebody contesting elections should have answered clearly that question posed on air by Reuben Abati.
Yes there is a big market in Anambra but I may also be able to list ten multi million dollar industries in Osun that are much larger than what can be found in that sector in Anambra. That is the beauty of specialization. There is money to be made everywhere.
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Yes that's true, money can be made from anywhere. For me I envy northern region. Those guys are so blessed. They have a lot of tourism sites like wild life, sandy desert like those found in United Arab Emirates and in addition to solid mineral resources and so on.
Though the bad blood among the major tribes in the country is mainly caused by politicians. They are just fighting for survival especially when they all depend on national cake.
Outside government, they are empty.
Re: How Ndigbo Can Get Their Country Peacefully by lawani(m): 6:28pm On Jul 18, 2023
9japride:
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Yes that's true, money can be made from anywhere. For me I envy northern region. Those guys are so blessed. They have a lot of tourism sites like wild life, sandy desert like those found in United Arab Emirates and so on.
Though the bad blood among the major tribes in the country is mainly caused by politicians. They are just fighting for survival especially when they all depend on national cake.
Outside government, they are empty.
Don't envy anywhere because everywhere has advantage. Yoruba have two maize seasons in a year but they have one reducing their land by half as far maize is concerned then cheapest staple which is cassava is produced in the south etc etc
Re: How Ndigbo Can Get Their Country Peacefully by 9japride(m): 6:33pm On Jul 18, 2023
lawani:
Anambra has more than one quarter of Lagos population and can make more than one third of Lagos IGR
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I don't think so. Lagos state population is too much. Due to the various facilities in Lagos state a lot of Nigerians are going there steadily. Anambra state has population, but Lagos na baba. In government can connect railway line from major sea ports to eastern region, things will be good. But due to the fear of the progressive nature of the Igbos, bigots who found themselves in power will not let the east to develop.
If you check the map of Lagos state, you will pity the state. It's just too tiny to accommodate everyone. We are not even talking of other African countries citizens hustling in Lagos. Eh go choke one day.
If the federal government where wise they would have spread infrastructures to other southern states close to the e Atlantic Ocean such as Ondo, Delta, Rivers, Edo etc.
That mentality of winner takes it all kind of politics will not help anyone.
Re: How Ndigbo Can Get Their Country Peacefully by 9japride(m): 6:39pm On Jul 18, 2023
lawani:
Don't envy anywhere because everywhere has advantage. Yoruba have two maize seasons in a year but they have one reducing their land by half as far maize is concerned then cheapest staple which is cassava is produced in the south etc etc
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Though government could have supported each region massively.
I heard in those days before oil, cocoa was the main thing then in the west. I the eastern and south region, they have palm oil.
I was only referring to the massive untapped wealth in the north.
Oil/gas have a lot of people lazy. Other countries are doing fine with oil/gas.
Re: How Ndigbo Can Get Their Country Peacefully by lawani(m): 8:14pm On Jul 18, 2023
9japride:
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I don't think so. Lagos state population is too much. Due to the various facilities in Lagos state a lot of Nigerians are going there steadily. Anambra state has population, but Lagos na baba. In government can connect railway line from major sea ports to eastern region, things will be good. But due to the fear of the progressive nature of the Igbos, bigots who found themselves in power will not let the east to develop.
If you check the map of Lagos state, you will pity the state. It's just too tiny to accommodate everyone. We are not even talking of other African countries citizens hustling in Lagos. Eh go choke one day.
If the federal government where wise they would have spread infrastructures to other southern states close to the e Atlantic Ocean such as Ondo, Delta, Rivers, Edo etc.
That mentality of winner takes it all kind of politics will not help anyone.
Things happen how they are destined to happen. It is not easy to explain what caused the population explosion in Lagos because not the ports as Cotonou is the busiest in West Africa and Cotonou is not up to Ogbomosho in population. However one thing is crowd attracts crowd and once you kick off a city then it will keep growing on auto like a living thing throughout it's life span. With conscious effort and plan you can build a five million population city in Kwara state or Kogi state easily within ten years. One thing that may have caused the situation in Lagos maybe the seriousness of the LASG and their revenue. They have 500k civil servants. If any state have a big spender government they should also be able to attract crowd.
Re: How Ndigbo Can Get Their Country Peacefully by lawani(m): 8:22pm On Jul 18, 2023
9japride:
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Though government could have supported each region massively.
I heard in those days before oil, cocoa was the main thing then in the west. I the eastern and south region, they have palm oil.
I was only referring to the massive untapped wealth in the north.
Oil/gas have a lot of people lazy. Other countries are doing fine with oil/gas.
West African Produce board was buying cocoa and etc from farmers to sell abroad at a profit then give farmers a predetermined portion of negotiated price and the gain for government was a major source of revenue but there was also a taxable minimum wage and investments by their WNDC that became Oodua group. I don't know their revenue profile but there was head tax, personal income tax, produce board revenue, dividends from WNDC and etc. The population was not more than around ten million
Re: How Ndigbo Can Get Their Country Peacefully by 9japride(m): 8:49pm On Jul 18, 2023
lawani:
West African Produce board was buying cocoa and etc from farmers to sell abroad at a profit then give farmers a predetermined portion of negotiated price and the gain for government was a major source of revenue but there was also a taxable minimum wage and investments by their WNDC that became Oodua group. I don't know their revenue profile but there was head tax, personal income tax, produce board revenue, dividends from WNDC and etc. The population was not more than around ten million
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OK cool, though the government could have continued with Agricultural products. But the discovery of oil changed everything.
In foreign countries, if you see the way they package our agricultural products, you will think the stuff originated from them.
The issue with Nigeria is that there is so much financial leakages.
Re: How Ndigbo Can Get Their Country Peacefully by 9japride(m): 8:59pm On Jul 18, 2023
lawani:
Things happen how they are destined to happen. It is not easy to explain what caused the population explosion in Lagos because not the ports as Cotonou is the busiest in West Africa and Cotonou is not up to Ogbomosho in population. However one thing is crowd attracts crowd and once you kick off a city then it will keep growing on auto like a living thing throughout it's life span. With conscious effort and plan you can build a five million population city in Kwara state or Kogi state easily within ten years. One thing that may have caused the situation in Lagos maybe the seriousness of the LASG and their revenue. They have 500k civil servants. If any state have a big spender government they should also be able to attract crowd.
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Though being former capital help also, but I can't really say what made Lagos so great like that.
The state just too tiny. That's what they call small but might. I didn't know Lagos have that amount of civil servants. Anyway, they are capable. The state is just too rich, but I belive a lot money is being wasted too.
Re: How Ndigbo Can Get Their Country Peacefully by Odibembem(op):
9japride:
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What I know presently, Peter Obi has the zeal to effect change in this country. Things have really changed and presently due to much awareness, Peter Obi was willing to make use of the intelligent youths in he's government.
He may not have done perfectly well, but he created the foundation for good governance in Anambra. If Anambra state had the kind of money Lagos state had, the state could have developed rapidly.
The Obidients people are all hard working guys and not thugs like other political parties supporters that love stomach infrastructure.
So your basis of wanting Obi is not that he performed wonders in Anambra? What foundation did he create in Anambra? Before him Ngige had already set the standard in Anambra in just three years. Anambra has Nnewi, Awka and Onitsha and if he was d star u all pretended he was he would had turned these cities to shinning examples and competed with Lagos in revenue generation such that they won't be so dependent on d FAAC allocation. Anambra is about d most erosion ravaged state in Nigeria, tell us if he was able to reciam any part of d state. When u talk about those who set standards in d SE, u talk of Sullivan Chime and Dave Umahi. The basis of choosing a leader is his track record, not lies and propaganda and empty promises; talk is cheap and anyone can promise, what matters is action, what u were able to do. Obi was mediocre, pls, thank God he never became president and he will never be
Re: How Ndigbo Can Get Their Country Peacefully by Rossikk(m): 5:54am On Jul 19, 2023
Odibembem:
The truth is that majority of Igbos are sympathetic to IPOB and d quest for Biafra. Their elites may not be but the likes of Peter Obi have enough sympathy for them. And no one should deny a people what they genuinely yearn for. The demerits of a Biafra republic is not for the rest of Nigeria to force on Ndigbo, if that's what their hearts wants then the rest of Nigeria should make the process of achieving it less cumbersome for them.

Nations secede either through wars or legal secession. We have seen what happened in 1966, Ndigbo cannot use war to have their country, God forbid there be another war cos it's not worth it. So the war option is ruled out. The second option is referendum. This is the best option. But it has to be legal meaning the national assembly has to pass a resolution to that effect and even amend d constitution. Would they agree? Not ordinarily except d Igbos do something to indicate that d best option for both sides is for Igbos to go. So how do Igbos prove their readiness? Let me lay out what I think

1. Massive relocation of Igbos and their businesses to the SE such that other regions would feel d impact. Lagos would be empty, Kano, Kaduna, Benin, Port Harcourt and Abuja would all be empty.
2. Energizing the SE economy and integrating it economically and politically. Have uniform economic agenda, setting up functional intergovt agencies and setting up a SE parliament who can make inputs almost similar to laws for d entire SE.
3. SE governors gradually cede powers to a Governing Council of the entire SE
4. Members of individual State Houses of Assembly move motions for a referendum for an independent state. This of course is not binding but it sets everything in motion, it energizes the SE caucus in the National Assembly
4. Categorically define the geographical boundaries of the intending country and do not lay claim to any territory outside the SE. Allow the Igbos in the SS outside d SE or NC as claimed my MNK to make such claims themselves of any intention to join the SE in their Biafra. They have their Senators, House of Reps and House of Assembly members. Let them speak for themselves rather than d people of d SE speaking for d so called Igbos outside their region.
5. Study the trajectory of secession in Africa and the rest of the world, no magic or miracle will make their case different. Up till today, Abiyei province is yet to join South Sudan even though the legendary John Garang was from there. Donesk Region is still part of Ukraine even though it has ethnic Russians and Russia is a super power. Despite letting of blood for decades, Northern Ireland though overwhelmingly majority Irish peoplele have not united with the Republic of Ireland but still part of the UK. The SE for the sake of their Biafra that would bring them eldorado should make sacrifices, u can't be rigid in a negotiation while expecting the other party to shift their position.

Perhaps with the above, the rest of Nigeria would finally let the SE go and do it peacefully and they have the country that would be different from the present SE and different from d rest of Africa.

If however they cannot follow this part, please and please, stop the noise, stop indoctrinating your children negatively and let us all work for a better Nigeria knowing we have no other country of birth.
What is all this LONG GRAMMAR?

Dude, Kanu was offered the 5 Igbo states to go and start his Biafra in 2017 while he was in prison in Abuja, and he rejected the FG offer, saying he must also have Rivers state and Benue state etc.

https://www.premiumtimesng.com/news/more-news/237582-i-rejected-offer-biafra-five-igbo-states-nnamdi-kanu.html

NOBODY IS STOPPING IGBOS FROM LEAVING NIGERIA.

THE PROBLEM IS THAT THEY WANT TO STEAL non-Igbo NIGERIAN TERRITORY, INCLUDING THE OIL AND GAS FIELDS OF THE SOUTH-SOUTH, WHICH THEY CONSIDER AS ''RIGHTFULLY THEIRS''.

THE SOUTH-SOUTH PEOPLE WILL BE GENOCIDED BY IGBOS IF THEY EVER JOIN THEM TO FORM A 'BIAFRA'.

'BIAFRA' is resource-grab SCAM THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ''IGBO FREEDOM''.

OP, KNOW THIS AND HAVE SENSE!
Re: How Ndigbo Can Get Their Country Peacefully by lawani(m): 6:15am On Jul 19, 2023
9japride:
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Though being former capital help also, but I can't really say what made Lagos so great like that.
The state just too tiny. That's what they call small but might. I didn't know Lagos have that amount of civil servants. Anyway, they are capable. The state is just too rich, but I belive a lot money is being wasted too.
After reflection, I think it is IGR. A government becomes powerful with IGR and power attracts everything. Any state could have done it
Re: How Ndigbo Can Get Their Country Peacefully by Odibembem(op): 6:18am On Jul 19, 2023
Rossikk:
What is all this LONG GRAMMAR?

Dude, Kanu was offered the 5 Igbo states to go and start his Biafra in 2017 while he was in prison in Abuja, and he rejected the FG offer, saying he must also have Rivers state and Benue state etc.

https://www.premiumtimesng.com/news/more-news/237582-i-rejected-offer-biafra-five-igbo-states-nnamdi-kanu.html

NOBODY IS STOPPING IGBOS FROM LEAVING NIGERIA.

THE PROBLEM IS THAT THEY WANT TO STEAL non-Igbo NIGERIAN TERRITORY, INCLUDING THE OIL AND GAS FIELDS OF THE SOUTH-SOUTH, WHICH THEY CONSIDER AS ''RIGHTFULLY THEIRS''.

THE SOUTH-SOUTH PEOPLE WILL BE GENOCIDED BY IGBOS IF THEY EVER JOIN THEM TO FORM A 'BIAFRA'.

'BIAFRA' is resource-grab SCAM THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ''IGBO FREEDOM''.

OP, KNOW THIS AND HAVE SENSE!
While I agree with u that d Igbos are only grandstanding in demanding Biafra, never u believe d outlandish claims of the fringe lunatic called Nnamdi Kanu. So cos he claimed he was told to go with d 5 SE states, u really believe? Who offered him d 5 states? Who has d power to give Nnamdi Kanu 5 federating states out of Nigeria? That's high treason which even a president dare not commit. Not even d President then (Buhari) or any president has such powers. Nnamdi Kanu granted an interview after taking d white thing he normally takes and then started bragging he was given 5 states and u believe him. No one offered him shishi, it's his usual propaganda to look bigger than he really is before his akamu brain followers
Re: How Ndigbo Can Get Their Country Peacefully by lawani(m): 7:50am On Jul 19, 2023
Odibembem:
While I agree with u that d Igbos are only grandstanding in demanding Biafra, never u believe d outlandish claims of the fringe lunatic called Nnamdi Kanu. So cos he claimed he was told to go with d 5 SE states, u really believe? Who offered him d 5 states? Who has d power to give Nnamdi Kanu 5 federating states out of Nigeria? That's high treason which even a president dare not commit. Not even d President then (Buhari) or any president has such powers. Nnamdi Kanu granted an interview after taking d white thing he normally takes and then started bragging he was given 5 states and u believe him. No one offered him shishi, it's his usual propaganda to look bigger than he really is before his akamu brain followers
If Nigeria is not broken up then the only structure that can work and guarantee prosperity for all will be an EU like structure with more nations coming in later and people given states on demand and with states free to merge. Of course such an arrangement will also have a chairman or President
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