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If FCT Is A State, Why Did They Not Hold A Governorship Election On March 18? by Penguin2: 10:06am On Jul 22, 2023
I told some guys here about a week ago that the section 299 that Tinubu lawyers and supporters are hinging on to argue that the FCT is just another state in Nigeria, only referred to the administration of the territory and did not preclude the place of the FCT as one of the provisions that must be satisfied before a presidential candidate is declared.

They argued with me then, but I’m happy to see my argument incorporated by Obi lawyers in their written address in response to Tinubu and Shettima at the tribunal.

Questions for determination:

1) If the FCT is a state (in the sense canvassed for by Tinubu lawyers and supporters) why was there no governorship election in the territory on March 18, 2023 when the rest of Nigerian states had their gubernatorial elections except for those whose election have been staggered?

2) In the 1979 constitution, the condition that a presidential candidate must satisfy before being declared a winner was to “get highest number of votes cast and 25% in 2/3 of the states of the federation.” No mention was made of the FCT which was Lagos then. The question therefore is, if it was not intended that a presidential candidate must score 25% in the FCT, why was that provision attached in the 1999 constitution? Why didn’t the requirement just end with “… and score 25% of votes cast in 2/3 of the states of federation as it was in the 1979 constitution?

3) Because the FCT has no elected governor or mayor, the president appoints a minister who administers the territory on his behalf. Does it not make sense therefore, that man who will appoint the administrator for this territory MUST have at least 25% approval of indigenes and residents of the territory?

The truth is that like is popularly said, the law is a bitch. It cares not about your sentiments and biases, it will serve justice by letters and spirit of the law.

Tinubu did not satisfy the constitutional provision to be declared a winner which makes his declaration null and void.

Fergie001
Lotanna2/Garfield1
Ejimatic et al (if una like sha)

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Re: If FCT Is A State, Why Did They Not Hold A Governorship Election On March 18? by Nobody: 10:07am On Jul 22, 2023
For the nth time, agbado children are not to be taken seriously. No need for all this.

Look at one of them below. Is that the kind of swine you want to cast your pearls to?

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Re: If FCT Is A State, Why Did They Not Hold A Governorship Election On March 18? by PPIA: 10:12am On Jul 22, 2023
Peter Obi declared sit-at-home in FCT 🤣😂🤣😂


IP🐽B

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Re: If FCT Is A State, Why Did They Not Hold A Governorship Election On March 18? by Stenewiser: 10:14am On Jul 22, 2023
And why do think individuals living in Abuja are so special to decide for the whole nation base on their choice of candidate.

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Re: If FCT Is A State, Why Did They Not Hold A Governorship Election On March 18? by Qadaffi2idiamin: 10:19am On Jul 22, 2023
PPIA:
Peter Obi declared sit-at-home in FCT 🤣😂🤣😂


IP🐽B
swine

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Re: If FCT Is A State, Why Did They Not Hold A Governorship Election On March 18? by Curse777: 10:22am On Jul 22, 2023
cool


Abuja is a subnational, like other 36 states

Having Governors doesn't define a state

All State had Administrator under Military rule



.

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Re: If FCT Is A State, Why Did They Not Hold A Governorship Election On March 18? by lexylaw09: 10:22am On Jul 22, 2023
The people living in Abuja are more equal than other Nigerians in fact they have golden heads, dick, and fingers unlike other normal people across across the world. In fact they come with two heads

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Re: If FCT Is A State, Why Did They Not Hold A Governorship Election On March 18? by joseph032: 10:25am On Jul 22, 2023
The president is the Governor of FCT(like State) and Control all it Affairs.

That's Why the 1977 Constitution was Ammended, that Statement "And FCT" wasn't there.

Not like the People there are Special But at least,
Let thier Governor( The President) Get 25% That's the Only way the Law is fair on Them
lexylaw09:
The people living in Abuja are more equal than other Nigerians in fact the have a golden head dick and fingers unlike other normal people across across the world. In fact the come with two heads

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Re: If FCT Is A State, Why Did They Not Hold A Governorship Election On March 18? by Lotanna2: 10:25am On Jul 22, 2023
Penguin2:
I told some guys here about a week ago that the section 299 that Tinubu lawyers and supporters are hinging on to argue that the FCT is just another state in Nigeria, only referred to the administration of the territory and did not preclude the place of the FCT as one of the provisions that must be satisfied before a presidential candidate is declared.

They argued with me then, but I’m happy to see my argument incorporated by Obi lawyers in their written address in response to Tinubu and Shettima at the tribunal.

Questions for determination:

1) If the FCT is a state (in the sense canvassed for by Tinubu lawyers and supporters) why was there no governorship election in the territory on March 18, 2023 when the rest of Nigerian states had their gubernatorial elections except for those whose election have been staggered?

2) In the 1979 constitution, the condition that a presidential candidate must satisfy before being declared a winner was to “get highest number of votes cast and 25% in 2/3 of the states of the federation.” No mention was made of the FCT which was Lagos then. The question therefore is, if it was not intended that a presidential candidate must score 25% in the FCT, why was that provision attached in the 1999 constitution? Why didn’t the requirement just end with “… and score 25% of votes cast in 2/3 of the states of federation as it was in the 1979 constitution?

3) Because the FCT has no elected governor or mayor, the president appoints a minister who administers the territory on his behalf. Does it not make sense therefore, that man who will appoint the administrator for this territory MUST have at least 25% approval of indigenes and residents of the territory?

The truth is that like is popularly said, the law is a bitch. It cares not about your sentiments and biases, it will serve justice by letters and spirit of the law.

Tinubu did not satisfy the constitutional provision to be declared a winner which makes his declaration null and void.

Fergie001
Lotanna2/Garfield1
Ejimatic et al (if una like sha)

The argument is inferior to wole's argument.if 25% is needed in fct,then even in a runoff 25% will be needed.it will not stand

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Re: If FCT Is A State, Why Did They Not Hold A Governorship Election On March 18? by joseph032: 10:26am On Jul 22, 2023
The president is the Governor of FCT(like State) and Control all it Affairs.

That's Why the 1977 Constitution was Ammended, that Statement "And FCT" wasn't there.

Not like the People there are Special But at least,
Let thier Governor( The President) Get 25% That's the Only way the Law is fair on Them
Stenewiser:
And why do think individuals living in Abuja are so special to decide for the whole nation base on their choice of candidate.

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Re: If FCT Is A State, Why Did They Not Hold A Governorship Election On March 18? by joseph032: 10:27am On Jul 22, 2023
No.
In a rerun the highest winst
Lotanna2:


The argument is inferior to wole's argument.if 25% is needed in fct,then even in a runoff 25% will be needed.it will not stand
Re: If FCT Is A State, Why Did They Not Hold A Governorship Election On March 18? by Penguin2: 10:27am On Jul 22, 2023
Curse777:
cool


Abuja is a subnational

Having Governors doesn't define a state

All State had Administrator under Military rule



.
Military Administrators were pre-1999 constitution.

Can you name any Military Administrator in any state since 1999?

Again, if having a governor doesn’t define a state, what does?

And can you give example of another ‘state’ (like you guys are referring to FCT) that doesn’t have a governor?

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Re: If FCT Is A State, Why Did They Not Hold A Governorship Election On March 18? by Lotanna2: 10:28am On Jul 22, 2023
joseph032:
The president is the Governor of FCT(like State) and Control all it Affairs.

That's Why the 1977 Constitution was Ammended, that Statement "And FCT" wasn't there.

Not like the People there are Special But at least,
Let thier Governor( The President) Get 25% That's the Only way the Law is fair on Them

And fct is a phrase sir to inculcate fct.uf the constitution wanted fct to be mandatory,they would have stated so clearly..the requirement for winning is 1) highest votes 2) two third spread.if fct was special,they would have added it as 3

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Re: If FCT Is A State, Why Did They Not Hold A Governorship Election On March 18? by SpatialKing(m): 10:29am On Jul 22, 2023
lexylaw09:
The people living in Abuja are more equal than other Nigerians in fact the have a golden head dick and fingers unlike other normal people across across the world. In fact the come with two heads
Agreed
But the fct status as seat of power makes it special
Re: If FCT Is A State, Why Did They Not Hold A Governorship Election On March 18? by Lotanna2: 10:32am On Jul 22, 2023
joseph032:
No.
In a rerun the highest winst

No,25% is needed
Re: If FCT Is A State, Why Did They Not Hold A Governorship Election On March 18? by Curse777: 10:32am On Jul 22, 2023
Penguin2:

Military Administrators were pre-1999 constitution.

Can you name any Military Administrator in any state since 1999?

Again, if having a governor doesn’t define a state, what does?

And can you give example of another ‘state’ (like you guys are referring to FCT) that doesn’t have a governor?


There is nothing like "pre 1999"

1999 Constitution is a compilation of 1979 constitution and military decree till constitutional conference of 1998 under Abacha


In cases of emergency a Military Administrator takes over power

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Re: If FCT Is A State, Why Did They Not Hold A Governorship Election On March 18? by Penguin2: 10:33am On Jul 22, 2023
Lotanna2:


The argument is inferior to wole's argument.if 25% is needed in fct,then even in a runoff 25% will be needed.it will not stand
If you look at it that way, then spread would also be needed in a run-off. Right?

You are not wiser than the framers of our constitution that have provided for virtually all eventualities.

In their wisdom, they provided for spread and 25% in the FCT in the first round of election, and provided for simple majority in a run-off election.

Those are the letters of the constitution. No conjectures, no extrapolations.

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Re: If FCT Is A State, Why Did They Not Hold A Governorship Election On March 18? by ORIENTATION101: 10:34am On Jul 22, 2023
Penguin2:
I told some guys here about a week ago that the section 299 that Tinubu lawyers and supporters are hinging on to argue that the FCT is just another state in Nigeria, only referred to the administration of the territory and did not preclude the place of the FCT as one of the provisions that must be satisfied before a presidential candidate is declared.

They argued with me then, but I’m happy to see my argument incorporated by Obi lawyers in their written address in response to Tinubu and Shettima at the tribunal.

Questions for determination:

1) If the FCT is a state (in the sense canvassed for by Tinubu lawyers and supporters) why was there no governorship election in the territory on March 18, 2023 when the rest of Nigerian states had their gubernatorial elections except for those whose election have been staggered?

2) In the 1979 constitution, the condition that a presidential candidate must satisfy before being declared a winner was to “get highest number of votes cast and 25% in 2/3 of the states of the federation.” No mention was made of the FCT which was Lagos then. The question therefore is, if it was not intended that a presidential candidate must score 25% in the FCT, why was that provision attached in the 1999 constitution? Why didn’t the requirement just end with “… and score 25% of votes cast in 2/3 of the states of federation as it was in the 1979 constitution?

3) Because the FCT has no elected governor or mayor, the president appoints a minister who administers the territory on his behalf. Does it not make sense therefore, that man who will appoint the administrator for this territory MUST have at least 25% approval of indigenes and residents of the territory?

The truth is that like is popularly said, the law is a bitch. It cares not about your sentiments and biases, it will serve justice by letters and spirit of the law.

Tinubu did not satisfy the constitutional provision to be declared a winner which makes his declaration null and void.

Fergie001
Lotanna2/Garfield1
Ejimatic et al (if una like sha)
Obidient if Nigeria constitution wanted FCT to be mandatory, they would have simply created another subsection for it to stand out from the state during president election.

Despite two different subsection in the consultation stating clear that fct can be liken to state, Obidient are still looking for compulsory 25%😂😂😂

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Re: If FCT Is A State, Why Did They Not Hold A Governorship Election On March 18? by joseph032: 10:35am On Jul 22, 2023
If they had a Governor I would have agree with you. But

You want to Governor a Capital (like State) and you can't Get 25% Vote of the People they. And you think it is fair and Right.

That's Wickedness on the People of that State if You/Law think that way
Lotanna2:


And fct is a phrase sir to inculcate fct.uf the constitution wanted fct to be mandatory,they would have stated so clearly..the requirement for winning is 1) highest votes 2) two third spread.if fct was special,they would have added it as 3
Re: If FCT Is A State, Why Did They Not Hold A Governorship Election On March 18? by SalamRushdie: 10:36am On Jul 22, 2023
If FCT is a state show us their governor and State assembly, the constitution is very clear on what a state is , a state among many other things must first have a state assembly

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Re: If FCT Is A State, Why Did They Not Hold A Governorship Election On March 18? by joseph032: 10:37am On Jul 22, 2023
Baba go and read the rule for a rerun before quoting that's my problem with you People always defending blindly
Lotanna2:


No,25% is needed
Re: If FCT Is A State, Why Did They Not Hold A Governorship Election On March 18? by Sharpsharp00123: 10:39am On Jul 22, 2023
joseph032:
The president is the Governor of FCT(like State) and Control all it Affairs.

That's Why the 1977 Constitution was Ammended, that Statement "And FCT" wasn't there.

Not like the People there are Special But at least,
Let thier Governor( The President) Get 25% That's the Only way the Law is fair on Them
so that means u can lose 36 states n win only Abuja n b declared president?

Meaning a candidate can win all d states n lose only Abuja n will still not b declared president?

Then if that b d case y hold election in other states?
Then y not just hold election in Abuja n we have the winner as president?
Then what is d essence of other states votes?

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Re: If FCT Is A State, Why Did They Not Hold A Governorship Election On March 18? by helinues: 10:39am On Jul 22, 2023
This op should rest. Aren't you lots satisfied with chatGPT response, wait for the judges to decide without creating meaningless threads about FCT upadan

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Re: If FCT Is A State, Why Did They Not Hold A Governorship Election On March 18? by Ikaeniyan0: 10:40am On Jul 22, 2023
Penguin2:
I told some guys here about a week ago that the section 299 that Tinubu lawyers and supporters are hinging on to argue that the FCT is just another state in Nigeria, only referred to the administration of the territory and did not preclude the place of the FCT as one of the provisions that must be satisfied before a presidential candidate is declared.

They argued with me then, but I’m happy to see my argument incorporated by Obi lawyers in their written address in response to Tinubu and Shettima at the tribunal.

Questions for determination:

1) If the FCT is a state (in the sense canvassed for by Tinubu lawyers and supporters) why was there no governorship election in the territory on March 18, 2023 when the rest of Nigerian states had their gubernatorial elections except for those whose election have been staggered?

2) In the 1979 constitution, the condition that a presidential candidate must satisfy before being declared a winner was to “get highest number of votes cast and 25% in 2/3 of the states of the federation.” No mention was made of the FCT which was Lagos then. The question therefore is, if it was not intended that a presidential candidate must score 25% in the FCT, why was that provision attached in the 1999 constitution? Why didn’t the requirement just end with “… and score 25% of votes cast in 2/3 of the states of federation as it was in the 1979 constitution?

3) Because the FCT has no elected governor or mayor, the president appoints a minister who administers the territory on his behalf. Does it not make sense therefore, that man who will appoint the administrator for this territory MUST have at least 25% approval of indigenes and residents of the territory?

The truth is that like is popularly said, the law is a bitch. It cares not about your sentiments and biases, it will serve justice by letters and spirit of the law.

Tinubu did not satisfy the constitutional provision to be declared a winner which makes his declaration null and void.

Fergie001
Lotanna2/Garfield1
Ejimatic et al (if una like sha)
It's not a state but will be treated as one of the states in the presidential election

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Re: If FCT Is A State, Why Did They Not Hold A Governorship Election On March 18? by Penguin2: 10:41am On Jul 22, 2023
Curse777:



There is nothing like "pre 1999"

1999 Constitution is a compilation of 1979 constitution and military decree till constitutional conference of 1998 under Abacha


In cases of emergency a Military Administrator takes over power
Please go back to kindergarten.

Do you even know what “pre” means? It means “before”.

So, in my comment that you quoted I meant that Military Administrators were only possible “before 1999 Constitution.”

And you are here telling me that there’s nothing like “pre 1999”. Did Nigeria come into existence in 1999?

And which section of the constitution provides for military administrator takeover in the absence of a governor? What are deputy governors then elected for? Do you even have any idea about line of succession in the constitution?

Come, did you just write your WAEC? If yes, did you not do simple Civic Education?

All this hollowness just to defend Tinubu.

Goodness lord!

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Re: If FCT Is A State, Why Did They Not Hold A Governorship Election On March 18? by Lotanna2: 10:41am On Jul 22, 2023
Ikaeniyan0:
It's not a state but will be treated as one of the states in the presidential election

Gbam

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Re: If FCT Is A State, Why Did They Not Hold A Governorship Election On March 18? by Lotanna2: 10:42am On Jul 22, 2023
joseph032:
Baba go and read the rule for a rerun before quoting that's my problem with you People always defending blindly

I am trying to tell you that fct is not mandatory
Re: If FCT Is A State, Why Did They Not Hold A Governorship Election On March 18? by joseph032: 10:43am On Jul 22, 2023
If you have A1 in all Subject and fail English. You will write the Exam again.

If you pass Math and English and Fail the rest. You will Write the Exam again.

Make na dey reason na and Stop Defending Blindly.



Sharpsharp00123:
so that means u can lose 36 states n win only Abuja n b declared president?

Meaning a candidate can win all d states n lose only Abuja n will still not b declared president?

Then if that b d case y hold election in other states?
Then y not just hold election in Abuja n we have the winner as president?
Then what is d essence of other states votes?
Re: If FCT Is A State, Why Did They Not Hold A Governorship Election On March 18? by Penguin2: 10:43am On Jul 22, 2023
Sharpsharp00123:
so that means u can lose 36 states n win only Abuja n b declared president?

Meaning a candidate can win all d states n lose only Abuja n will still not b declared president?

Then if that b d case y hold election in other states?
Then y not just hold election in Abuja n we have the winner as president?
Then what is d essence of other states votes?

Is this what you understood from the 1999 constitution?
Re: If FCT Is A State, Why Did They Not Hold A Governorship Election On March 18? by Lotanna2: 10:44am On Jul 22, 2023
joseph032:
If they had a Governor I would have agree with you. But

You want to Governor a Capital (like State) and you can't Get 25% Vote of the People they. And you think it is fair and Right.

That's Wickedness on the People of that State if You/Law think that way

Oga, if the president is governor of fct,he will need to win it not get 25%.the president can decide to rule from anywhere.it also means a governor too will need 25% in state capitals

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Re: If FCT Is A State, Why Did They Not Hold A Governorship Election On March 18? by joseph032: 10:44am On Jul 22, 2023
CJN of Nigeria i Greet You Sir.

MUMU...Lol

Let the Court decide
Lotanna2:


I am trying to tell you that fct is not mandatory
Re: If FCT Is A State, Why Did They Not Hold A Governorship Election On March 18? by Lotanna2: 10:45am On Jul 22, 2023
Penguin2:

If you look at it that way, then spread would also be needed in a run-off. Right?

You are not wiser than the framers of our constitution that have provided for virtually all eventualities.

In their wisdom, they provided for spread and 25% in the FCT in the first round of election, and provided for simple majority in a run-off election.

Those are the letters of the constitution. No conjectures, no extrapolations.

The court will soon lay it to rest.you can see the handwriting already.let obi show us how he won

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