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Re: Tinubu Never Challenged Forfeiture Order - Peter Obi Tells Tribunal by Shantyken(m): 11:26am On Jul 22, 2023
Penguin2:
Therefore?🙄
Drugs is a crime so why was he not sentence to jail or his forfeiture to be criminal instead of civil
Re: Tinubu Never Challenged Forfeiture Order - Peter Obi Tells Tribunal by Shantyken(m): 11:28am On Jul 22, 2023
Kukutente23:
The judgement was a forfeiture for proceeds of narcotics. In truth, if you read through the charge sheet which was made public, Kevin Moss established a connection between Tinubu and Agbele the main culprit initially, which Tinubu later denied. It was his denial that saved him from being indicted coupled with the fact that he was already in Nigeria then. So the forfeiture was for money involved in drug trafficking found in his accounts.
Was forfeiture criminal or civil?
Re: Tinubu Never Challenged Forfeiture Order - Peter Obi Tells Tribunal by Kukutente23: 11:30am On Jul 22, 2023
Shantyken:
Was forfeiture criminal or civil?
It was not stated in the court records available, which is why the FBI is being asked to release the records with them which they have refused till now
Re: Tinubu Never Challenged Forfeiture Order - Peter Obi Tells Tribunal by Alliswell248: 11:32am On Jul 22, 2023
PaellaPaella:
Keep crying, Tinubu is a criminal drug cartel, he will be disgraced out of office, if you like wail from today to millions years to come grin grin
Criminal who wasn't sentenced to jail?
Criminal who wasn't sacked by his employer..Exxon Mobil?
Criminal who was invited to Obama inauguration?
Criminal who has been to the US on several occasions?

Keep believing what soothe your pain.
Re: Tinubu Never Challenged Forfeiture Order - Peter Obi Tells Tribunal by Ekeneegwu(m): 11:32am On Jul 22, 2023
favor914:
Conceding but not admitting, even if he was guilty & sentenced in 1993 to 10 years in Federal penitentiary in the United States, and became a free man in 2003.

In 2013 by virtue of the Nigeria constitution 1999 as amended, the statute of limitation which is 10 years from the date of forfeiture would have kicked it, he would be free to contest & run for the president of the Federal Republic of Nigeria without prejudice.

So why are you crying over an issue that has no jurisdiction whatsoever?
Am not crying am only trying to edify you in something that may be beneficial to us .. since the suffer have doubled since your Drug lord came into power .

Re: Tinubu Never Challenged Forfeiture Order - Peter Obi Tells Tribunal by 1Dray(m): 11:36am On Jul 22, 2023
favor914:
Almijiri it is Bola Tinubu that made you poor? With this kind of lazy mind set of yours, you will most likely remain there for a while.
See the jobless poot masses we are fighting asslicking their tormentors.
Re: Tinubu Never Challenged Forfeiture Order - Peter Obi Tells Tribunal by Alliswell248: 11:38am On Jul 22, 2023
Kukutente23:
It was not stated in the court records available, which is why the FBI is being asked to release the records with them which they have refused till now
Obj took the case up in 2003 , and the report was they...US doesn't have any criminal record of Tinubu....

Obidients would soon be tired.
Re: Tinubu Never Challenged Forfeiture Order - Peter Obi Tells Tribunal by franchasofficia: 11:39am On Jul 22, 2023
favor914:
Hate filled Obidients, no different from Boko Haram.
Owomida BATstards, worst than ISIS ati Barbarians shocked
Re: Tinubu Never Challenged Forfeiture Order - Peter Obi Tells Tribunal by SledgeHammerer: 11:39am On Jul 22, 2023
INVINCIBLECSP1:
You're not intelligent to know that Obi is tackling him from all angles. Even before the election, sane Nigerians not illiterates knows Ttinubu is not qualified to run for president. Keep fooling yourself you hear. As he has rigged himself in with impunity, na to expose his ugly butt before the world. Hahahahaha
You didn't answer the question. So obi didn't win the election again? Stop running around like a sex starved mosquito.

All we were hearing was obi won the election. Suddenly that has been abandoned for lack of evidence. It's now Tinubu is not qualified. Hahahaha 🤣🤣🤣🤣 bloody losers! You have 8yrs to cry. Byeeeeeee oooooooooo Lol 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Re: Tinubu Never Challenged Forfeiture Order - Peter Obi Tells Tribunal by Alliswell248: 11:41am On Jul 22, 2023
Ekeneegwu:
Am not crying am only trying to edify you in something that may be beneficial to us .. since the suffer have doubled since your Drug lord came into power .
Keep wasting your time looking for what is not missing.
Your stolen mandate....
No one gave Obi the mandate in the first instance. He was rejected by we Northerners.
Re: Tinubu Never Challenged Forfeiture Order - Peter Obi Tells Tribunal by valentineuwakwe(m): 11:41am On Jul 22, 2023
iLoveYouToo:
What’s he challenging it for? There was a forfeiture for fvck sake, he’s not denying that. It wasn’t a criminal matter
How is it not a criminal case? So you go part ways with your $400k just like dat if you are innocent n not involve in illegal dealings....
U funny oo
Re: Tinubu Never Challenged Forfeiture Order - Peter Obi Tells Tribunal by ENZOSCIFO1: 11:44am On Jul 22, 2023
Penguin2:
The question is was VIO supposed to charge you a whopping N5million for mere traffic offense?

And this is a wrong analogy because Tinubu’s (not his bank account) offense was clearly written in the charge sheet - he was charged for narcotics. There’s nothing comparable between this and traffic offense.

Now, not only was he charged, he was ordered to forfeit a whopping $460,000 dollars and he never protested against it if he was truly innocent.

No legitimate hustler will allow the court confiscate his $10,000 dollars without threatening fire and brimstone, not to talk of when the money is above $400k.

Is Tinubu a Father Christmas?
Tinubu did the right thing by allowing the forfeiture.

Firstly, the forfeiture represented just 28% of the total sum in his possession (Accounts).

Secondly, the forfeiture was in 2 parts.
A $360K that was paid in by his client and $80K that was calculated to be accrued payable tax to the govt.

Now, why should any reasonable person challenge any of that?

He knew he didn't pay tax on the money in his account. And he also knows he does not know the source of the money paid in by his client/associate. Money meant for trading.

So, in other words why would he argue with any of it. When in the real sense all he lost was $80K which is tax he didn't pay. And the $360K wasn't his own.
Re: Tinubu Never Challenged Forfeiture Order - Peter Obi Tells Tribunal by paramakina202: 11:51am On Jul 22, 2023
Shantyken:
Was he the one doing the drugs business or his bank account was used to deposit the proceeds from drugs business?
A non drug dealer can't live with drug dealers.
Tinubu was deep into gbana runs.
Re: Tinubu Never Challenged Forfeiture Order - Peter Obi Tells Tribunal by smartemperor042: 11:52am On Jul 22, 2023
Guy u be fool oh. So Vio can charge you and u go to make the payment in such huge sum when u didn't commit the offense?

Go get sense!



seunmsg:
Is there any sense in challenging an order from a civil case?

So, if VIO or FRSC fines me N5k today for traffic offense, is there any sense in wasting time challenging the order?

Since it’s a forfeiture resulting from a civil case, what’s the point fighting it? Tinubu was already a Senator when the forfeiture order was made against his account. So, it makes more sense to simply allow the civil forfeiture order stand than to keep wasting money on appeal. Same way we all pay VIO and FRSC fine for traffic offense without appeal.
Re: Tinubu Never Challenged Forfeiture Order - Peter Obi Tells Tribunal by Lotanna2: 11:54am On Jul 22, 2023
Kukutente23:
And I'm educating you that's the final order with no indemnity. Go and read the court records. You're arguing about what you don't know or haven't read and understood. The judgement which Obi and Atiku is referring to is for the$460k while the first one you're referring to was over over 1m.
Go and verify
There was no judgement,there are four phases
Phase one,us attorney Michael j Shepard filed a complaint motion for for forteiture pending procedures.
Phase two,us internal revenue agent Kevin moss also filed a motion for seizure pending court proceedings based on his investigation.he confirmed that tinubu worked with Mobil and Deloitte
Phase three,judge nordberh clearly identified that it was an exparte motion brought to it by the us attorney and gave the temporary order pending when all parties are served.
Phase four,an out of court settlement supervised by the court or compromise agreement was reached where two accounts were unfrozen and one was forfeited which amounted to 460k via civil forfeiture.the judge merely supervised and formalised it,it was not a judgment or sentence or fine.no guilty charge was found.it was just a court supervised agreement akin to a property or marriage case.obi and atiku as usual wasted their time on this
Re: Tinubu Never Challenged Forfeiture Order - Peter Obi Tells Tribunal by Kukutente23: 11:54am On Jul 22, 2023
Alliswell248:
Obj took the case up in 2003 , and the report was they...US doesn't have any criminal record of Tinubu....

Obidients would soon be tired.
Stop telling lies. OBJ never took up the case. The FBI attaché in Nigeria replied Tafa not OBJ.
That said, I don't know why the integrity of the holder of the office of president of your country is for obidients alone. Do you mean you don't care if a criminal rules you? What are you teaching your kids?
Re: Tinubu Never Challenged Forfeiture Order - Peter Obi Tells Tribunal by Emekaonline: 11:58am On Jul 22, 2023
Penguin2:
If Tinubu is innocent of the allegations in the forfeiture order of the US Court of the District of Illinois, why has he not appealed that forfeiture order issued since 1993? Isn’t that what innocent people do?

https://saharareporters.com/2023/07/21/tinubu-hasnt-challenged-us-court-order-forfeiture-460000-narcotics-trafficking-any-court
So why has Obi never challenged the newspapers that exposed his yes daddy video despite threatening to sue them. Yet he denied the audio conversations ever took place
Re: Tinubu Never Challenged Forfeiture Order - Peter Obi Tells Tribunal by StarRiderr: 11:59am On Jul 22, 2023
slowice:
Yes oo he gift them over 400 thousand dollars to use and buy bread for their children... Otondo
laugh wan Kee me here ooo grin grin grin
Re: Tinubu Never Challenged Forfeiture Order - Peter Obi Tells Tribunal by Lotanna2: 12:00pm On Jul 22, 2023
Kukutente23:
It was not stated in the court records available, which is why the FBI is being asked to release the records with them which they have refused till now
Obi and atiku have no case just speculations
Re: Tinubu Never Challenged Forfeiture Order - Peter Obi Tells Tribunal by PlayerMeji: 12:02pm On Jul 22, 2023
Klington:
When your brain is fixed, nothing will sound "unique" to you.

Re: Tinubu Never Challenged Forfeiture Order - Peter Obi Tells Tribunal by Shantyken(m): 12:05pm On Jul 22, 2023
Eriokanmi:
My 100usd can't be forfeited by any agency and I'd not sue them, if the money is legit. Its over 400k usd (over NGN339,000,000) we're talking, someone's life savings 😆. Millions of individual Nigerians can't see that in a lifetime
Excluding me and my bloodline ooo
Re: Tinubu Never Challenged Forfeiture Order - Peter Obi Tells Tribunal by Pray(m): 12:09pm On Jul 22, 2023
Money he would have collected back doubled one way or the other. The US property in Atlantic city were they given for free?
Re: Tinubu Never Challenged Forfeiture Order - Peter Obi Tells Tribunal by Alliswell248: 12:11pm On Jul 22, 2023
Kukutente23:
Stop telling lies. OBJ never took up the case. The FBI attaché in Nigeria replied Tafa not OBJ.
That said, I don't know why the integrity of the holder of the office of president of your country is for obidients alone. Do you mean you don't care if a criminal rules you? What are you teaching your kids?
Criminal?
Was he sentenced like those in Asia prisons?

Anything to soothe your election pain is welcome.
Re: Tinubu Never Challenged Forfeiture Order - Peter Obi Tells Tribunal by aswani(m):
Poske95:
The electoral law was revised for the elections and the umpire openly told all that the results would be collated in such manner to counter any alleged discrepancy.....so why spend so much and campaign so much when you had a feeling it would fail and not help prove the authenticity of results......?
I know you're a Nigeria....yan
Which electoral law exactly? Can you at least reference the section and subsection? I am asking because I haven't seen it though I might have missed it in checking.

By the way, organisations have spent more on IT related applications that have failed, you can ask NASA about that for starters. Not that it is important to me sha.
Re: Tinubu Never Challenged Forfeiture Order - Peter Obi Tells Tribunal by omooba74(m): 12:12pm On Jul 22, 2023
Forfeiture case was civil case not criminal case but cos most of them are ingnorants ,unintelligents and ethnic jingoistic ....
Re: Tinubu Never Challenged Forfeiture Order - Peter Obi Tells Tribunal by Kukutente23: 12:13pm On Jul 22, 2023
Lotanna2:
There was no judgement,there are four phases
Phase one,us attorney Michael j Shepard filed a complaint motion for for forteiture pending procedures.
Phase two,us internal revenue agent Kevin moss also filed a motion for seizure pending court proceedings based on his investigation.he confirmed that tinubu worked with Mobil and Deloitte
Phase three,judge nordberh clearly identified that it was an exparte motion brought to it by the us attorney and gave the temporary order pending when all parties are served.
Phase four,an out of court settlement supervised by the court or compromise agreement was reached where two accounts were unfrozen and one was forfeited which amounted to 460k via civil forfeiture.the judge merely supervised and formalised it,it was not a judgment or sentence or fine.no guilty charge was found.it was just a court supervised agreement akin to a property or marriage case.obi and atiku as usual wasted their time on this
You're coming around to telling the truth though there are still snippet of lies as is usual with an APC rat.
Phase1 Shephard filed the motion for 1m forfeiture based on IRS investigation by Agent Moss.
Phase 2 Moss couldn't have filed a motion because he's not an attorney. He was an investigator. He testified against Tinubu. The FBI briefs later showed that the referees for the accounts were indicted for drugs which led Moss to believe the reason why tinubu failed to file tax returns for those accounts was because the were proceeds for the traffickers. He interviewed Mobil who said tinubu was just a junior levering staff on a 2400 salary a month and couldn't have had millions of dollars from his legit earnings. This falsifies the claim tinubu made in an interview with TheNews that he was already a millionaire in dollars while working for Mobil. Mind you, in that interview, he claimed he never worked in Mobil USA but UK.
Phase 3 Judge Nordberg never said anything about ex parte order as you claimed. Tinubu who was in Nigeria then, was simply informed of the forfeiture by his banks after which he claimed two of those three accounts contained funds kept in trust for his mum and uncle.
Phase 4 No out of court settlement anywhere. Since Tinubu couldn't explain the source of funds of the third account, which is the one Agbele and Adegboyega helped him to open, the judge ordered the funds be forfeited and the judgment entered as final settlement in the matter without any indemnity on future claims concerning the funds. Note that tinubu did not go to the US to claim the funds physically. He only hired a lawyer on his behalf. So i guess, the US authorities thought it will be a waste of time trying to get him to the US without strong evidence linking him to narcotics beyond housing funds. Thus, the decided to take the money and die the matter.
So your claim like tinubu sat down to negotiate settlement with IRS is a big lie.
Re: Tinubu Never Challenged Forfeiture Order - Peter Obi Tells Tribunal by Alliswell248: 12:14pm On Jul 22, 2023
Kukutente23:
Stop telling lies. OBJ never took up the case. The FBI attaché in Nigeria replied Tafa not OBJ.
That said, I don't know why the integrity of the holder of the office of president of your country is for obidients alone. Do you mean you don't care if a criminal rules you? What are you teaching your kids?
So, Tafa was acting for himself abi. So FBI attache lied abi...
Keep deceiving yourself looking for what is not missing.
Is it by force that obi must rule Nigeria? We don't want him. We rejected him
Rest pls
Re: Tinubu Never Challenged Forfeiture Order - Peter Obi Tells Tribunal by Shantyken(m): 12:15pm On Jul 22, 2023
TheOldGods:
oh, drug trafficking and money laundering is not a criminal matter
And did the US government treat it as criminal offense
Re: Tinubu Never Challenged Forfeiture Order - Peter Obi Tells Tribunal by solreb: 12:16pm On Jul 22, 2023
Penguin2:
The question is was VIO supposed to charge you a whopping N5million for mere traffic offense?

And this is a wrong analogy because Tinubu’s (not his bank account) offense was clearly written in the charge sheet - he was charged for narcotics. There’s nothing comparable between this and traffic offense.

Now, not only was he charged, he was ordered to forfeit a whopping $460,000 dollars and he never protested against it if he was truly innocent.

No legitimate hustler will allow the court confiscate his $10,000 dollars without threatening fire and brimstone, not to talk of when the money is above $400k.

Is Tinubu a Father Christmas?
You need to understand the source of the $460k. The funds belonged to his uncle with whom he stayed while in school and new in the USA. That person and others were the ones involved in the narcotics biz. When the funds were traced to Tinubu's account, the authorities seized it. However the investigators did not establish that Tinubu was involved in the narcotics biz in anyway which is why he was jot prosecuted criminally. So, it was up to the uncle and not Tinubu to challenge the seizure.
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