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raumdeuter:
Basically he couldnt displace Muller, he couldnt displace Coman (German tax too) So what is his use

He has found his level at Aston Villas bench

No need spending money when he was never going to start.

Anyway my point is Coutinho didn't flop at bayern

kendrick93:
Hazard was one of the most effective dribblers ever.
Saying he was dribbling into tight corners is dishonesty or you probably didn't watch him enough.
This isn't Bolasie or saint Maxim we're talking about.
Any comparison with those players shows you are biased.

Yes Hazard was very close to Messi dribbling wise, infact he pipped Messi to the most completed couple of seasons and this was Messi at his prime.

Grealish tactically superior how?
If you mean not producing end product then yeah.
Hazard at his best literally carried Chelsea attack on his back for several seasons till he left..
Grealish is nowhere near him, putting them in the same sentence is not even worth a mention

I don't do imaginary arguments. A tactically superior player is one a manager can use in more tactical positions than another. What else can Hazard do when not on the Left side of the wings?

Hazard piped Messi, pray tell what data made you conclude that? Useless take-ons that did not result to assists or goals? Hazard carried Chelsea on his back and they won the UCL without him? What was Grealish doing for Aston Villa then?

Again, you need to make sure you understand what you are responding to. Hazard is a tactical liability. He is not on Messi's level and has never been except a neophyte is making the argument. Messi did not need to track back or defend because what he did on the offense made up more than significantly enough for what he would not do on the other end. The same can never be said of Hazard. That does not mean Hazard was not better than Grealish in his prime. It just means whatever Hazard could do, Grealish would do less of it in attack but then dominate him in every other aspect of the game. Reason why I said Pep will prefer Grealish more than Hazard.

There are 2 sides to the game.

kendrick93:
No need spending money when he was never going to start.

Anyway my point is Coutinho didn't flop at bayern

He wouldnt start with Coman Gnabry? we let Couinho leave and signed Sane

Coutinho flopped hard that was whyBayern did not retain him but signed Sane

kendrick93:
Pep I agree.
Hazard wasn't mid though.
Genuinely one of the best, exciting playing players I've seen.

An attacker with 10 CL career goals with half of those 10 being penalty is mid

raumdeuter:
An attacker with 10 CL career goals with half of those 10 being penalty is mid

How many goals did Ribery score in the CL?
Was he mid in your opinion?

Android17:
I don't do imaginary arguments. A tactically superior player is one a manager can use in more tactical positions than another. What else can Hazard do when not on the Left side of the wings?

Hazard piped Messi, pray tell what data made you conclude that? Useless take-ons that did not result to assists or goals? Hazard carried Chelsea on his back and they won the UCL without him? What was Grealish doing for Aston Villa then?

Again, you need to make sure you understand what you are responding to. Hazard is a tactical liability. He is not on Messi's level and has never been except a neophyte is making the argument. Messi did not need to track back or defend because what he did on the offense made up more than significantly enough for what he would not do on the other end. The same can never be said of Hazard. That does not mean Hazard was not better than Grealish in his prime. It just means whatever Hazard could do, Grealish would do less of it in attack but then dominate him in every other aspect of the game. Reason why I said Pep will prefer Grealish more than Hazard.

There are 2 sides to the game.

You still have not explained in detail the tactical in relation to Grealish.
Or is it just related to defending?
He isn't even good at defending, bring up his pressure stats or stop throwing terms you can't defend..
When a player can't produce you start bringing up intangibbles..
Pep would take a Hazard over Grealish, he would be insane not to.
This was how some were saying Pep could not pick Haaland in his team cause he doesn't contribute in build up and does not press enough.
For your info, Hazard played as a no 10 for Chelsea most times not just on the left wing.
In the 2015 title win, Mourinho deployed him as a no 10 and he was excellent

A40:
Mane had a devastating injury midseason. Even missed the world cup and didn't come back till like February or so. Not his fault that he was given no grace.

Excuses.
Was he a pulling up trees before and after his injuries?
All those he dey mark front and back, hussler, hardworker,. carrying salah etc...
Wetin happen?

When people have to resort to intangibbles without documented evidence to praise a player, you know something is wrong...

kendrick93:
You still have not explained in detail the tactical in relation to Grealish.
Or is it just related to defending?
He isn't even good at defending, bring up his pressure stats or stop throwing terms you can't defend..
When a player can't produce you start bringing up intagibbles..
Pep would take a Hazard over Grealish, he would be insane not to.
This was how some were saying Pep could not pick Haaland in his team cause he doesn't contribute in build up and does not press enough.
For your info, Hazard played as a no 10 for Chelsea most times not just on the left wing.
In the 2015 title win, Mourinho deployed him as a no 10 and he was excellent

Apart from prime Mané, no Liverpool winger/LM applied or applies more defensive pressure than Grealish. Teams basically avoided that side of the pitch in attacking City. Saka and co who were buzzing all season failed because Grealish and Aké paired on that end to frustrate opposing attackers and then on the offensive end, Grealish always created vent for Gundo and KDB to occupy the half spaces because of his gravity.

Under immense counterpressing from teams like Arsenal and Bayern that matched City's shape, Grealish was THE relief system and an outlet. He received the ball under intense pressure and always progressed the ball or got fouled.

Grealish is very tactically discipline. He over dribbled but not due to his own predilection. Pep specifically told him to do so to give the team time to re-set.

All your "when a player can't produce" will depend on what is expected of him. Nobody signed Grealish to score 25 goals and get 15 assists. If he does that, it will make him a worldclass player. Till then, he is doing what he was signed for.

Stop bringing up Haaland and Pep when addressing me as you did not see me make any of those arguments. Better ask me for my take rather than generalize. Hazard played 10 in how many games? Grealish played false 9 for City in some games during his first season. Tactical superiority is not about playing random roles poorly. It is about bringing unique interpretations to different roles and making the team better while you do. Grealish did so.

Before you give Hazard credit for being CFCs best player in 2014/15, see if you can account for Costa's league goals and Fabregas' assists. Being the better player does not mean being more effective. Hazard's prime is better than Grealish's -no doubt. But it won't translate if he played that same way for City. That is why Pep wanted Alexis but never Hazard.

kendrick93:
How many goals did Ribery score in the CL?
Was he mid in your opinion?

Ribery scored more than 10 CL goals

kendrick93:
Excuses.
Was he a pulling up trees before and after his injuries?
All those he dey mark front and back, hussler, hardworker,. carrying salah etc...
Wetin happen?

When people have to resort to intangibbles without documented evidence to praise a player, you know something is wrong...

Good you have learnt a few things and will stop tell us VVD coordinate defence, he has leadership, calm etc are just excuses to cover his deficiency as a defender

Android17:
Apart from prime Mané, no Liverpool winger/LM applied or applies more defensive pressure than Grealish. Teams basically avoided that side of the pitch in attacking City. Saka and co who were buzzing all season failed because Grealish and Aké paired on that end to frustrate opposing attackers and then on the offensive end, Grealish always created vent for Gundo and KDB to occupy the half spaces because of his gravity.

Under immense counterpressing from teams like Arsenal and Bayern that matched City's shape, Grealish was THE relief system and an outlet. He received the ball under intense pressure and always progressed the ball or got fouled.

Grealish is very tactically discipline. He over dribbled but not due to his own predilection. Pep specifically told him to do so to give the team time to re-set.

All your "when a player can't produce" will depend on what is expected of him. Nobody signed Grealish to score 25 goals and get 15 assists. If he does that, it will make him a worldclass player. Till then, he is doing what he was signed for.

Stop bringing up Haaland and Pep when addressing me as you did not see me make any of those arguments. Better ask me for my take rather than generalize. Hazard played 10 in how many games? Grealish played false 9 for City in some games during his first season. Tactical superiority is not about playing random roles poorly. It is about bringing unique interpretations to different roles and making the team better while you do. Grealish did so.

Before you give Hazard credit for being CFCs best player in 2014/15, see if you can account for Costa's league goals and Fabregas' assists. Being the better player does not mean being more effective. Hazard's prime is better than Grealish's -no doubt. But it won't translate if he played that same way for City. That is why Pep wanted Alexis but never Hazard.

Occupy spaces, counter defensive pressure,
protecting ake
Too much rigmarole...
E no easy to defend flop sha.
Imagine spending 100m on a attacking player for him to cover for Ake and counter progressive measures 😄
Shey na why Dem pay record fee be that?

Truth is he was a non entity in his first season, Pep just tried to make him a bit manageable which he was last season.

Abeg no put Hazard and that guy for same sentence.
Any coach that will take Grealish over Hazard, would have to question where he got his coaching badges from

raumdeuter:
Good you have learnt a few things and will stop tell us VVD coordinate defence, he has leadership, calm etc are just excuses to cover his deficiency as a defender

Van Djik at his best had the stats to back himself up.

raumdeuter:
Ribery scored more than 10 CL goals

In how many matches..
He wasn't a goal machine in the CL.
Would u say he was mid?

kendrick93:
In how many matches..
He wasn't a goal machine in the CL.
Would u say he was mid?

10 goals, 5 of them from open play is a terible stat for an attacker anyway you slice and dice it

Hazard was a failure for posting such horrible numbers,

At the rate Hazard was scoring it would take him double the time he played to get to Riberys CL goals from open play

kendrick93:
Van Djik at his best had the stats to back himself up.

Stats like what? He was simply running away from attackers.

kendrick93:
Occupy spaces, counter defensive pressure,
protecting ake
Too much rigmarole...
E no easy to defend flop sha.
Imagine spending 100m on a attacking player for him to cover for Ake and counter progressive measures 😄
Shey na why Dem pay record fee be that?

Truth is he was a non entity in his first season, Pep just tried to make him a bit manageable which he was last season.

Abeg no put Hazard and that guy for same sentence.
Any coach that will take Grealish over Hazard, would have to question where he got his coaching badges from

It is the same empty and superficial arguments. You make up your mind about what a player should be doing then you rate him based on those expectations never mind that you did not buy him. lol

I have told you people to first find out what a player was supposed to bring to the table before thrusting your own opinion on them.

Which of Pep's signings did not struggle to adapt? Even Haaland struggled. But will you know? You won't because all you see is 53 goals (which atleast in Erling's case was part of his KPI).

Here is a list of players that did not play to their standards in their first season under Pep:

1. Rodri
2. Bernardo Silva
3. Cancelo
4. Mahrez

I could go on and on. Not playing well in your first season under Pep is customary. The system is harder to understand because Pep does not bring you in for your individual talent. He deploys you in roles based on the needs of the team. You should be taking notes.

kendrick93:
Excuses.
Was he a pulling up trees before and after his injuries?
All those he dey mark front and back, hussler, hardworker,. carrying salah etc...
Wetin happen?

When people have to resort to intangibbles without documented evidence to praise a player, you know something is wrong...

You're a funny guy. Which of your new signings had been pulling trees since their signing? How long did it take Gakpo, Darwin Nunez to even make any impact. Now imagine they got injured within months of their arrival you would have thrown them in the dustbin??

What intangibles? A player who's been your top scorer in a CL campaign, someone who won a PL golden boot with all his goals from open play?

Thanks to the absence of Mane you will be playing the likes of Dundalk and Santa Coloma next season so yeah I think he was kinda impactful

CR7 & Mane ...

Let this Mane deal go through

Sabitzer off to Dortmund for 18m euros, plus add-ons. Bayern losing a player to their closest title rivals for the second year running. Where are the "Bayern is weakening the league" preachers?

The Kane deal looks to be only a matter of time with his missus apparently house-hunting in Munich.

Raphael Guerrero already injured, Attended his unveiling in crutches

Seems he has the Bayern DNA after all

pkasso:
Sabitzer off to Dortmund for 18m euros, plus add-ons. Bayern losing a player to their closest title rivals for the second year running. Where are the "Bayern is weakening the league" preachers?

The Kane deal looks to be only a matter of time with his missus apparently house-hunting in Munich.

Haha

Sabitzer?

The same Sabitzer that flopped hard in the PL?

Bayern released a hopeless deadwood to their bitter rivals - infact you have weakened them by giving them a rubbish player

If we are to rank Sabitzer, he isn't better than the likes of Karibe Ojigwe and other rubbish midfielders that have graced the Bayanshliga

Sabitzer was one of those Head scratching signings. What did we actually need him for?

I think Brazzo started well but later lost his way. I don't know if it was the Kahn effect but man

pkasso:
Sabitzer off to Dortmund for 18m euros, plus add-ons. Bayern losing a player to their closest title rivals for the second year running. Where are the "Bayern is weakening the league" preachers?

The Kane deal looks to be only a matter of time with his missus apparently house-hunting in Munich.

Lmao. Why didn't you people give Dortmund goretzka instead of sabitzer that is not needed again. Even dead manyoo ran away from him. Until you allow them sign one if your top 5 performers you are still weakening the league my brother. You can't beat those allegations. 😁.

WhoDeyHause:
Lmao. Why didn't you people give Dortmund goretzka instead of sabitzer that is not needed again. Even dead manyoo ran away from him. Until you allow them sign one if your top 5 performers you are still weakening the league my brother. You can't beat those allegations. 😁.

Sule wey we give them no be player or Hummels

raumdeuter:
Sule wey we give them no be player or Hummels

Hummels is suddenly being portrayed to be good?

This same Hummels you told us is tier 2?

Cc airmark

raumdeuter:
Hummels is a tier 2 footballer that is nwhy he spent most of his career at a tier 2 club like Dortmund

Hummels was a Bayern youth and was sold off, at his prime he was bought back and sold again within 3 yrs

He is what Lukaku is to chelsea the difference is that while Lukaku was able to play at top clubs Hummels could only cut it at Dortmund

AdisaOwala:
Hummels is suddenly being portrayed to be good?

This same Hummels you told us is tier 2?

Cc airmark

Hummels was starting at Bayern when he was shipped to Dortmund. So his name was an example of a Bayern starter who was sent to Dortmund

There are tier 2 players who start for Bayern like Upamecano and Hummels

raumdeuter:
Hummels was starting at Bayern when he was shipped to Dortmund. So his name was an example of a Bayern starter who was sent to Dortmund

There are tier 2 players who start for Bayern like Upamecano and Hummels

We are saying the same thing..

You sent a tier 2 player to Dortmund...

Why not Tier 1?

AdisaOwala:
We are saying the same thing..

You sent a tier 2 player to Dortmund...

Why not Tier 1?

We need our tier 1 players. We try to keep our best performers. Its the same reason we sent Schweinsteiger to Man Utd when he became a tier 2 player

AdisaOwala:
Hummels is suddenly being portrayed to be good?

This same Hummels you told us is tier 2?

Cc airmark

😄😄😄😄😄😄😄😄😄😄😄

Raumdeuter is irresponsible, even A40 knows.

The new season jersey is available. Let me be your plug 😁

raumdeuter:
We need our tier 1 players. We try to keep our best performers. Its the same reason we sent Schweinsteiger to Man Utd when he became a tier 2 player

It's still the same thing..

You sold a non-performer to your rivals - your initial point is therefore null and void