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chatinent:
Die, how? Was heaven unclean before?

In Noah's day, when God said he'll destroy the earth, he meant the evil in the earth. How is it any different from what will happen?

Noah should tell you that if the earth was washed anew, then heaven got its own washing too. But this is beside the point which i have drawn you to see that heaven and earth work together and that God has Said He would dispose of this ones to give us a new ones.

Dtruthspeaker:
Noah should tell you that if the earth was washed anew, then heaven got its own washing too. But this is beside the point which i have drawn you to see that heaven and earth work together and that God has Said He would dispose of this ones to give us a new ones.

You've not really drawn me to anything factual. I ask again, why will the heavens be washed? Was there sin in it like the earth?

chatinent:
You've not really drawn me to anything factual. I ask again, why will the heavens be washed? Was there sin in it like the earth?

I have and you have seen it that heaven and earth work together, which is why Christ even Said "i have shown you earthly things and you did not understand, is it now heavenly ones you will?"

You have no thing sir.

So i simply stand on the fact that it is very understandable, even if you are not able to understand why God wipes out this heaven and earth to replace them with another one. Its as simple as that

Dtruthspeaker:
and to become like Christ means to be saved hence salvation.

do you have any scripture with a comprehensive explanation in support of this?

Because, on the contrary
Scriptures affirms that we are saved by Grace through faith and not by works.

And you know that being christ-like is simply works.
Only that it is a good works and it isn't bad.

paxonel:
do you have any scripture with a comprehensive explanation in support of this?

Because, on the contrary
Scriptures affirms that we are saved by Grace through faith and not by works.

And you know that being christ-like is simply works.
Only that it is a good works and it isn't bad.

Ephesians 5:1-2
5:1 Therefore be imitators of God, as beloved children.

2 And walk in love, as Christ loved us.

1 John 2:6
6 He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.

1 Peter 2:21
21 For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should follow his steps:

This is the grace and power we have been given.

Dtruthspeaker:
Ephesians 5:1-2
5:1 Therefore be imitators of God, as beloved children.

2 And walk in love, as Christ loved us.

1 John 2:6
6 He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.

1 Peter 2:21
21 For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should follow his steps:

This is the grace and power we have been given.

there is nothing in these scriptures to show that if we keep to these things, then we have salvation or justication into eternal life. Rather, the scriptures are only encouraging us to keep these laws which are very good.

Compare to this scripture

Romans 3:28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

That is, without all the things mentioned in the Ephesians 5:1-2, 1 John 2:6 and
1 Peter 2:21 you quoted

And justification by faith there in the Romans 3:28 strictly refers to justification into eternal life. Not the justification we have by doing good or obeying Christ commandments

So understand the difference

paxonel:
there is nothing in these scriptures to show that if we keep to these things, then we have salvation or justication into eternal life. Rather, the scriptures are only encouraging us to keep these laws which are very good.

This is not True. The scriptures say "imitate Christ or walk as He did or walk His steps" not keep these laws as you are changing it into.

The salvation and eternal life is "since Christ was raised to life, so shall we be raised to life" Romans 6:4,5 and 23
....that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

[5] For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection

[23]....but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

John 14;6.

Dtruthspeaker:
This is not True. The scriptures say "imitate Christ or walk as He did or walk His steps" not keep these laws as you are changing it into.

then to walk in his steps in the context of the scripture may implies to walk in faith in Christ if one could have it literal meaning.
Otherwise, it was not there to contradict another verse such as Romans 6:28

The bible cannot be a contradiction of itself

The salvation and eternal life is "since Christ was raised to life, so shall we be raised to life" Romans 6:4,5 and 23
....that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

[5] For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection

[23]....but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

John 14;6.

that is the point I'm making.