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efeski:
Ag this point I believe say this guy just de whine us
Person nor suppose daft like this kn a good day

He is just adamant that he is an expert on the subject matter. The more he tries to prove it, the more he showcases more ignorance

Kukutente23:
At least you're learning small small though slow

You have confused yourself. These are your words

But you have ended up accepting Saudi and China as sovereign states.

And why are you trying to pin Military Dictatorship on me? I never used the word. You did.
You also seem to think Military Dictators suspend constitutions. Well, not in all cases. Besides, Military govts also introduce their own laws through decrees. You may not like the sound of it but they are legitimate laws as well. So your claim is just wishful. I see you're putting your best efforts to discredit military rule probably too justify the threat of invasion by ecowas. Well, you may try but don't use false logic or lies to do that.
Even democratic govts change laws. So if you claim that not changing laws is what gives recognition to the states in the eyes of others, then we have to wonder why Nigeria is still a sovereign state after we amended our constitution in 2011 and much after that.

Oga why are you flip flopping? From the very begging I've been on the side of Saudi as a sovereign state and said several China is not a perfect democracy but have laws that can be held making them both sovereign.....you started this whole thing by comparing Saudi to Military rule and saying there's no difference.....we are on a thread discussing a military dictatorship in Niger.....you compared Saudi ro it saying there's no difference....but im the one trying to pin Military Dictatorship on you?.....🤦🏾...I swear I'm done......this is why you don't argue with f@ols.....they always find a way to drag you to their level ....

unbiased2021:
Do you blame Europe or the leaders of African nations ? They source raw materials from you and they pay you. So why do you blame them ?

Pay?? ... u really have not asked the question why they are fighting to win back Niger , but dint do anything about the coup in Burkina Faso or Mali or central African Republic.... their interest in Niger is the uranium that they take free of charge... I can bet that 50% of our crude go to England free ... u really don't know what these leaders signed to gain independence

leokid866:
Oga why are you flip flopping? From the very begging I've been on the side of Saudi as a sovereign state and said several China is not a perfect democracy but have laws that can be held making them both sovereign.....you started this whole thing by comparing Saudi to Military rule and saying there's no difference.....we are on a thread discussing a military dictatorship in Niger.....you compared Saudi ro it saying there's no difference....but im the one trying to pin Military Dictatorship on you?.....🤦🏾...I swear I'm done......this is why you don't argue with f@ols.....they always find a way to drag you to their level ....

How does "having laws that can be held" make a country a sovereign state?

Who is holding those laws that can be held?

If u calling someone a fool, what then should we call you for saying that china had presidential election in March this year?

Kukutente23:
Who da Bleep are you? What force do you represent?
Nobody cares whether you accept sovereignty of a Country or not. It's not like you're the judge of sovereignty or something.

you're right I'm nobody, get back to me in a few years when enthropy sets it...... shebi na you be eberebe papa wonder let's wait a few years and see what happens in Niger......

Kukutente23:
You're also back to laws. Constitutional laws are creation of humans not divine or infallible.
If we want to go down that route, we'll ask ourselves which laws empower British to hand over to democratic govt when they were leaving instead of handing over to the monarchies they met when they first arrived in the shores of Africa.
Picking laws as you do is subjective. The soldiers might be morally wrong but it does not confer rights on another country to invade them under the guise of restoring democracy.
So while we're telling them to return the country back to civil rule, we must recognise they hold the lever of power over the sovereign entity called Niger as at this moment. Any other thing is simply political interference which is simply another form of colonialism.

God bless you bro. At least another person who understands the dynamics.
Leokid866 class is now in session.
Be humble
Sit down
Learn

leokid866:
Oga why are you flip flopping? From the very begging I've been on the side of Saudi as a sovereign state and said several China is not a perfect democracy but have laws that can be held making them both sovereign.....you started this whole thing by comparing Saudi to Military rule and saying there's no difference.....we are on a thread discussing a military dictatorship in Niger.....you compared Saudi ro it saying there's no difference....but im the one trying to pin Military Dictatorship on you?.....🤦🏾...I swear I'm done......this is why you don't argue with f@ols.....they always find a way to drag you to their level ....

You claimed Saudi is not a dictatorship at first only to turn around after I educated you which is why you've introduced the term.
There's basically no difference between civilian or military dictatorship apart from the fact that one wears khaki

Kukutente23:
You claimed Saudi is not a dictatorship at first only to turn around after I educated you which is why you've introduced the term.
There's basically no difference between civilian or military dictatorship apart from the fact that one wears khaki

stop making things up I never said Saudi is a democracy or that it's a dictatorship, I said they have laws which separate them from a military dictatorship, you're the one who said it's the same as a Millitary dictatorship because of its concentration of power to the king who as you said gives out decrees just like a military dictator would.....

OGHENAOGIE:
typing nonsense cos u hate tinubu... Who be Niger to stand against nigeria... Election loss really pain una ooo that u just hate ur country

LOL. I was a very big fan of Tinubu but bruh let me tell you something, don’t expect anything from him. If you still have faith in him, you’re on a long thing.

You saw it here first.

His first moves have shown how the end will be. It’s common sense.

It’s the same old thing. Things will get more expensive and the Rich will get richer and the poor will get poorer. So his motion is backwards.

Bookmark this comment, come back to it after his tenure, and see if what I’ve written wouldn’t become fact. It’s fact to me already but it might take time for it to become fact to you.


Listen to Burna Boy’s Song Titled ‘Another Story’ .

Listen to the song carefully, and you’ll see what’s really happening in Nigeria.

Ozommadu:
When the EU Made report about Nigeria election, you were fuming wetin concern them, Nigeria is a sovereign state bla bla bla...is Niger not a sovereign state??

Hypocrisy no go kee you

Meaning that you don’t even know what a sovereign state is. A human society that has a legally chosen supreme head and a system/mechanism for choosing such leaders without external influence/intervention is called sovereign. Niger republic seized to be a sovereign state the day soldiers left their barracks to assume control of a legally elected government. These coupists get mind sha They will only end up giving France and the western world the right excuse to militarily colonize Niger. Never give your stronger enemy the chance to justify dealing with you.
Niger should thread carefully, the man in the center of this controversy should be protected because France or any other interested party may even kill him to justify invading Niger. In all that you do, always use your head, militarily, Niger has no chance against Nigeria let alone France

leokid866:
stop making things up I never said Saudi is a democracy or that it's a dictatorship, I said they have laws which separate them from a military dictatorship, you're the one who said it's the same as a Millitary dictatorship because of its concentration of power to the king who as you said gives out decrees just like a military dictator would.....

Exactly!! I never implied that the King is a military ruler did I? I only drew similarities.
The problem is that a lot of you pro-Tinubu folks simply turned a matter of international politics and relations to our local politics of batists vs obidients. So Niger is the enemy as far as you're concerned even if international statues are being trampled upon.
Let me give you an example. Luxembourg is a former colony of France and borders France. If the military were to seize power in that country today, and they asked France to withdraw its ambassador, you can be rest assured France will oblige simply because they are an European country. That's the ramification you're failing to see. France is being bellicose because it's Niger, one desert country like that in Africa. That's the BS we all must reject. Once you allow Western powers to start trampling on your neighbor, be assured it won't end there. The day you're on their wrong side, you'll get same treatment too.
Let that sink into your myopic skull

Nyne:
They are after our oil honestly. That’s why they don’t want to leave Niger. Cos there’s a pipeline that they are building but not functioning yet that passes through Niger. The pipeline starts from SE Nigeria, passes through Niger, Algeria down to Europe . Imagine. It’s God that’s fighting for Nigerians if we don’t know. I think it was Buhari that signed that bill for the pipeline. Useless leaders that we have.

They cannot lay pipelines for gas in Nigeria so that Nigerians will not have to carry cylinders up and down again, but they can lay pipelines from Nigeria to Europe.

Let’s see what Tinubu wants to do sha.

Niger military have threatened Nigeria that if ECOWAS should come with their useless troops that they are going to target Abuja and dethrone Tinubu cos they know who won the election.

please when did Warri become part of the SE? cause that's where the pipeline starts

leokid866:
please when did Warri become part of the SE? cause that's where the pipeline starts

Okay my bad. All I know is that the pipeline is from Nigeria to Europe. Abi Warri isn’t Nigeria again ?

What’s the meaning of the pipeline ? Pipeline from Nigeria to Europe . Does it make any sense to you ?

Why can’t USA construct such pipeline for them.

Kukutente23:
Exactly!! I never implied that the King is a military ruler did I? I only drew similarities.
The problem is that a lot of you pro-Tinubu folks simply turned a matter of international politics and relations to our local politics of batists vs obidients. So Niger is the enemy as far as you're concerned even if international statues are being trampled upon.
Let me give you an example. Luxembourg is a former colony of France and borders France. If the military were to seize power in that country today, and they asked France to withdraw its ambassador, you can be rest assured France will oblige simply because they are an European country. That's the ramification you're failing to see. France is being bellicose because it's Niger, one desert country like that in Africa. That's the BS we all must reject. Once you allow Western powers to start trampling on your neighbor, be assured it won't end there. The day you're on their wrong side, you'll get same treatment too.
Let that sink into your myopic skull

Oga you're spiraling and I'm done with you.....at no point in our entire back and fourth did I bring it local, mention anything about Tinubu, take sides with France or give a flying f#ck what Niger decides to do with their power structure.....all I've tried to explain is what I understand as the sovereignty of a nation as I was taught.....something you and many others had a hard time understanding.....but that's okay.....stay Blessed

Kukutente23:
Exactly!! I never implied that the King is a military ruler did I? I only drew similarities.
The problem is that a lot of you pro-Tinubu folks simply turned a matter of international politics and relations to our local politics of batists vs obidients. So Niger is the enemy as far as you're concerned even if international statues are being trampled upon.
Let me give you an example. Luxembourg is a former colony of France and borders France. If the military were to seize power in that country today, and they asked France to withdraw its ambassador, you can be rest assured France will oblige simply because they are an European country. That's the ramification you're failing to see. France is being bellicose because it's Niger, one desert country like that in Africa. That's the BS we all must reject. Once you allow Western powers to start trampling on your neighbor, be assured it won't end there. The day you're on their wrong side, you'll get same treatment too.
Let that sink into your myopic skull

Firstly, no country in Europe can be overrun by the military in this century and if it happens, neighboring countries and bloc have the right to interfere especially if they know that the resultant effect of such chaos could spread into their respective countries and/or could destabilize the region. If this coup is left unchecked, the previous govt radical loyalists won’t fold their arms and watch. Are you saying Nigeria is safe if Niger experiences another spell of violence abd suicide attacks?
Niger is no longer a sovereign state because it has no head at the moment since the system put in place to choose her leaders has been broken. The govt there today is not a recognized one and as such, it has no power to issue such directive.

Nyne:
Okay my bad. All I know is that the pipeline is from Nigeria to Europe. Abi Warri isn’t Nigeria again ?

What’s the meaning of the pipeline ? Pipeline from Nigeria to Europe . Does it make any sense to you ?

Why can’t USA construct such pipeline for them.

the pipeline is to move large volumes of oil and gas to Europe without having to onload and off load through vessels and co......like connecting hose to your tap so your neighbor can fetch water.....and the US can't do it cause they don't have our Crude oil grade type and most of the oil they trade in comes from refining crude from countries like Nigeria.....

Morphinne:
Firstly, no country in Europe can be overrun by the military in this century and if it happens, neighboring countries and bloc have the right to interfere especially if they know that the resultant effect of such chaos could spread into their respective countries and/or could destabilize the region. If this coup is left unchecked, the previous govt radical loyalists won’t fold their arms and watch. Are you saying Nigeria is safe if Niger experiences another spell of violence abd suicide attacks?
Niger is no longer a sovereign state because it has no head at the moment since the system put in place to choose her leaders has been broken. The govt there today is not a recognized one and as such, it has no power to issue such directive.

Oga leave him he thinks world politics is ludo.....once a military dictatorship takes over one of the first things that would happen is the people will run into neighboring states creating problems for them, but he expects the neighbors to continue to respect the sovereignty of a military dictatorship led state.....

leokid866:
the pipeline is to move large volumes of oil and gas to Europe without having to onload and off load through vessels and co......like connecting hose to your tap so your neighbor can fetch water.....and the US can't do it cause they don't have our Crude oil grade type and most of the oil they trade in comes from refining crude from countries like Nigeria.....

LOL. Chai. You go sweet to scam.

You believe that USA don’t have our crude oil grade type ?? Wow.

How are they now the world’s largest oil producer ?

Lmao.

You never know anything. You dey believe devil.

You dey believe people that trade humans as slaves. You dey believe people that do crimes that only very smart people can see.

You believe the lie that they don’t have our crude oil grade lol.

Let me tell you something, let’s assume Nigeria’s crude oil dries up. Don’t you think we will now become dependent on them for oil ? And they sell at any price they want.

Abi you think oil wells don’t dry up ?


And if we become dependent, what do we become then ?

Well, you might not see it like I do. But I know how evil the US is.

The US is the Devil. They do everything that doesn’t favor humanity.

You wonder why China and Russia and so many other countries hate them ? Lol.

You wonder why they want to abandon the usd ?

I see it as God fighting for us through Niger. That pipeline must not begin operation.

The US is playing a game of chess with other countries. They don’t want to lose the world’s power. But they eventually will since people like me are well and alive.

Stay there unrealistic being !

leokid866:
a sovereign state is one guided by laws and a constitution not a dictatorship

Nyne:
LOL. Chai. You go sweet to scam.

You believe that USA don’t have our crude oil grade type ?? Wow.

How are they now the world’s largest oil producer ?

Lmao.

You never know anything. You dey believe devil.

You dey believe people that trade humans as slaves. You dey believe people that do crimes that only very smart people can see.

You believe the lie that they don’t have our crude oil grade lol.

Let me tell you something, let’s assume Nigeria’s crude oil dries up. Don’t you think we will now become dependent on them for oil ? And they sell at any price they want.

Abi you think oil wells don’t dry up ?


And if we become dependent, what do we become then ?

Well, you might not see it like I do. But I know how evil the US can be.

You wonder why China and Russia and so many other countries hate them ? Lol.

You wonder why they want to abandon the usd ?

I see it as God fighting for us through Niger. That pipeline must not begin operation.

The US is playing a game of chess with other countries. They don’t want to lose the world’s power. But they eventually will since people like me are well and alive.

I don't care what you believe, all I know is we have paid for that pipeline and junta or no junta it must be completed.....

How did the EU come up with their" independent" report when only less than 50 official came to monitor 176,000 polling unit!

Rather they resulted to chilling in their hotels and relied on amplified false online narrative and skewed partisan local media reporting to develop their so called EU "independent" report.

Ozommadu:
When the EU Made report about Nigeria election, you were fuming wetin concern them, Nigeria is a sovereign state bla bla bla...is Niger not a sovereign state??

Hypocrisy no go kee you

Parachoko:
The People of Niger elected a President, and he's not part of the Juntas.

D people elected someone, and has d right to dethrone or say no to whoever dey once elected. The people has chosen wot dey believe is better dan wot dey once chose.
Oh, because ure elected now gives u d right to run the people down?

And den, u dare not force a particular government on the people. People should b at liberty to choose wot to practice. Most countries don't practice da shitty system of government called democracy.

Wots democracy anyway?
A very corrupt system of government where everything goes. Justice is always subsided.

Someone will openly break the law, instead of being punished straightaway, dey will start talking of court, where justice will b subverted.

Nyne:
LOL. Chai. You go sweet to scam.

You believe that USA don’t have our crude oil grade type ?? Wow.

How are they now the world’s largest oil producer ?

Lmao.

You never know anything. You dey believe devil.

You dey believe people that trade humans as slaves. You dey believe people that do crimes that only very smart people can see.

You believe the lie that they don’t have our crude oil grade lol.

Let me tell you something, let’s assume Nigeria’s crude oil dries up. Don’t you think we will now become dependent on them for oil ? And they sell at any price they want.

Abi you think oil wells don’t dry up ?


And if we become dependent, what do we become then ?

Well, you might not see it like I do. But I know how evil the US is.

The US is the Devil. They do everything that doesn’t favor humanity.

You wonder why China and Russia and so many other countries hate them ? Lol.

You wonder why they want to abandon the usd ?

I see it as God fighting for us through Niger. That pipeline must not begin operation.

The US is playing a game of chess with other countries. They don’t want to lose the world’s power. But they eventually will since people like me are well and alive.

I hat e hearing that phrase world power, there's nothing like that...

leokid866:
the pipeline is to move large volumes of oil and gas to Europe without having to onload and off load through vessels and co......like connecting hose to your tap so your neighbor can fetch water.....and the US can't do it cause they don't have our Crude oil grade type and most of the oil they trade in comes from refining crude from countries like Nigeria.....

what do you mean by "Crude oil grade type"?

how much oil does Nigeria sell to the US?

leokid866:
Oga leave him he thinks world politics is ludo.....once a military dictatorship takes over one of the first things that would happen is the people will run into neighboring states creating problems for them, but he expects the neighbors to continue to respect the sovereignty of a military dictatorship led state.....

where in the world has this happened?

can you tell us when it happened in nigeria with its long history of military rule?

how does military rule in a country make its neighbours to stop respecting its sovereignty?

leokid866:
Oga you're spiraling and I'm done with you.....at no point in our entire back and fourth did I bring it local, mention anything about Tinubu, take sides with France or give a flying f#ck what Niger decides to do with their power structure.....all I've tried to explain is what I understand as the sovereignty of a nation as I was taught.....something you and many others had a hard time understanding.....but that's okay.....stay Blessed

where were you taught these and by who?

leokid866:
a sovereign state is one guided by laws and a constitution not a dictatorship

leokid866:
a dictatorship by international definition will never be considered a sovereign state.....yes they have some characteristics of a sovereign state but not all......if you come into a sovereign state to do Business you are sure of the rights and protection the laws and constitution of that state guarantee.....but if you come into a dictatorship and the dictator decide to run you street who do you turn to ? Yes you can still head to the courts infact Abacha was sued here in Nigeria multiple times but how many of those cases went anywhere?

leokid866:
China is a communist state, sure it's far from democracy but they at least they hold up part of its tenets......legally you can't call them a dictatorship.....they still run elections and act as a democracy.....it's what separates them from North korea....

leokid866:
The 2023 Chinese presidential election was held on 10 March 2023, at the 14th National People's Congress.

leokid866:
Oga leave him he thinks world politics is ludo.....once a military dictatorship takes over one of the first things that would happen is the people will run into neighboring states creating problems for them, but he expects the neighbors to continue to respect the sovereignty of a military dictatorship led state.....

leokid866:
the US can't do it cause they don't have our Crude oil grade type and most of the oil they trade in comes from refining crude from countries like Nigeria.....

Morphinne:
Firstly, no country in Europe can be overrun by the military in this century and if it happens, neighboring countries and bloc have the right to interfere especially if they know that the resultant effect of such chaos could spread into their respective countries and/or could destabilize the region. If this coup is left unchecked, the previous govt radical loyalists won’t fold their arms and watch. Are you saying Nigeria is safe if Niger experiences another spell of violence abd suicide attacks?
Niger is no longer a sovereign state because it has no head at the moment since the system put in place to choose her leaders has been broken. The govt there today is not a recognized one and as such, it has no power to issue such directive.

Who is this one again? See how he made a sweeping statement about military rule in Europe as if he's the gatekeeper for Europe.
What role gives neighbouring countries right to interfere in another country's local politics?
If you say Niger has no head at the moment, then who are the people Abdulsalam goes to meet with as Ecowas envoy? Are they the caretaker or gatemen of Niger?
You people just keep coming up with different silly opinions as if they are facts. All the years Nigeria was under military rule, why didn't Niger or Ghana invade us on the grounds of regional stability? You have your own customs to protect your borders so nothing concerns you with your neighbor's affairs.

FreeStuffsNG:
France is right!

Niger coupists have lule pii . The disgrace of these coupists will teach the other impostors that they will not be tolerated. If you want power, remove uniform and go form or join a political party and canvass for votes to win an election and legitimacy in a democracy.

The moment those who jinxed Mr Obi, Mr Nnamdi Kanu, GEJ, Alhaji Atiku, Trump, Wagner etc with their bad luck of support started supporting the coupists, I knew they have been jinxed. Nobody or no organisation this unpatriotic bitter people support ever succeeds. Check my signature for free stuffs!

what concerns France in Niger?. Can we agree with this if it is vice versa?.

One thing is to be physically enslaved. Another thing entirely is to be mentally enslaved. The latter is the worst form of slavery

FreeStuffsNG:
https://nairametrics.com/2023/08/26/france-defiant-insists-niger-military-junta/

The shameless and unprofessional Nigerien soldiers should be shoved out of power and court-martialled.

MySolace:
D people elected someone, and has d right to dethrone or say no to whoever dey once elected. The people has chosen wot dey believe is better dan wot dey once chose.
Oh, because ure elected now gives u d right to run the people down?

Show evidence the People of Niger Republic dethroned the former president.

BentizilL:
I hat e hearing that phrase world power, there's nothing like that...

Yes, but you know how bullies behave right ?

A bully behaves like he owns you and can do anything with you at any time. That’s how US feels anytime. Their wings grew so large since their invention of the nuclear bomb cos no other country had the tech before them.

Let’s assume there are No countries like Russia and China, you for know wassup.

You don see lorry wey lose break before ? Lol

Na so USA for be.

Na Russia and China dey put them to their right thinking these days but that still doesn’t stop them from their sneaky dirty moves.

They usually do evil with full mind, no remorse.

Expect massive french invasion in Niger very soon. Irrespective of whatever any ECOWAS thinks. The moment Russia landed there , it's a direct affront to France on his colonial territory and frena e don't sit and watch Russia take away those things. Something is cooking