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A paradigm shift is occurring in the global South, and Africa precisely. Russia and China (The Eastern powers) have emerged as potent powers that will eventually checkmate and subdue United States and Europe (The Western powers).

China has become economically stronger than United States and also chasing after them militarily. Likewise, while Europe has continued to decline in every aspect including militarily, economic, cultural etc. Russia on the other hand is on a rebound.

China and Russia are mounting multiple counter attacks against the West in the following areas:

1. Economically; they've decided to abandon the United States dollar as a global medium of exchange. This will deal a devastating blow on the United States as the dollar will no longer be the reserve currency of the world.

2. Politically; force the European imperialists out of Africa. This will cause a devastating blow on Western Europe, particularly France and to a lesser extent Britain.

3. Culturally; Russia is trying to leverage against the West's moral decadence to appear preferable to Africans. For example, Russia does not support gay lifestyle and Africans share same worldview, unlike the West.

Now that democracy is no longer popular across Africa due to flagrant rigging and other abuses, the West is about to lose its last advantage over China and Russia in Africa. Elections in many African countries has left many disappointed and frustrated. From Nigeria to Sierra Leone, Zimbabwe to Niger etc. It's same tales of woes. Worse still, the same West that used to champion democratic rhetorics appear to be working in cahoots with these corrupt politicians destroying Africa. Now, many Africans are beginning to see the West as their enemy. They're beginning to see Russia and China as friends with mutual benefits. Go to any social media forum and you will easily observe that Africans are now wary of the West and their hypocritical stance toward them.

In the years to come, China and Russia will eventually chase out United States and Europeans from Africa and it will coincide with the fall of the West and rise of the East.

Well, let say they succeeded in their chase, what will Russia & China offers those Africa countries wey go better USA/Europe?

GeneralPula:
Well, let say they succeeded in their chase, what will Russia & China offers those Africa countries wey go better USA/Europe?

what is the west offering Africa aside looting?

All the items you use are made in China. From mobile phones, clothes , construction etc.

China and Russia are more useful to Africa than the west.

Pierocash:
what is the west offering Africa aside looting?

All the items you use are made in China. From mobile phones, clothes , construction etc.

China and Russia are more useful to Africa than the west.

Okay..

I wish them well..

Get out of west slavery and enter Russia and China slavery

Same slavery

Pierocash:
what is the west offering Africa aside looting?

All the items you use are made in China. From mobile phones, clothes , construction etc.

China and Russia are more useful to Africa than the west.

Hmm so that's what you call advantage?? To them Africa is just a market for Thier finished products.

Next is to help repartition Africa according to cultural affinities

Solsix:
Hmm so that's what you call advantage?? To them Africa is just a market for Thier finished products.

Better than those looting Africa treasure

igwebuike01:
Better than those looting Africa treasure

They are the same, just that the format is different. Majority of African countries are heavily indebted to China and Russia. Is not not recolonization

Solsix:
Hmm so that's what you call advantage?? To them Africa is just a market for Thier finished products.

without them considering African market , how easy and convenient do you think life in Africa wouid have been, can you afford American products?

Solsix:
They are the same, just that the format is different. Majority of African countries are heavily indebted to China and Russia. Is not not recolonization

Lol, this is what I have telling yoruba people. Igbos love China because we are similar. Modern empire building is through economic expansionism not political domination

Pierocash:
without them considering African market , how easy and convenient do you think life in Africa wouid have been, can you afford American products?

China made certain goods which used to be the exclusive preserve of the rich to be more affordable for Africans. It's legitimate trade, not stealing resources like the West

The US and Europe have tried to make Africa a battleground in their Cold War against Russia and China.

They‘ve even labeled Africa as NATO’s “Southern Neighborhood” and are using AFRICOM as a mechanism to

control the continent under the guise of protecting it from Chinese and Russian influence

When you work in a Chinese Factory or company, that's when you'll know how wicked these people Are, forget the fake Love they are showing to African countries, America is more accommodating to Africans than those two countries you mentioned above, if a black man can be allowed to rule America and hold strategic positions politically, it shows how sensible and accommodating they are in the spheres of affair, This can't be said for a country like Russia and China.

Solsix:
They are the same, just that the format is different. Majority of African countries are heavily indebted to China and Russia. Is not not recolonization

They are not the same thing. China and Russia relate with Africa as friends with mutual respect. United States and Europe relate with Africa in a condescending and hypocritical manner.

Also, China relates with Europe same way it relates with Africa. They bought up several companies in Europe. Many European countries are indebted to China. Many countries are also heavily indebted including the United States too.

China provide critical infrastructure across Africa and even better technology transfer than the West. They don't try to impose disgusting lifestyle/culture on us.

China is more beneficial to us than the West.

Landowner101:
When you work in a Chinese Factory or company, that's when you'll know how wicked these people Are, forget the fake Love they are showing to African countries, America is more accommodating to Africans than those two countries you mentioned above, if a black man can be allowed to rule America and hold strategic positions politically, it shows how sensible and accommodating they are in the spheres of affair, This can't be said for a country like Russia and China.

Lol, forget Hollywood movies and fictions that always stereotype Russians as villains and Americans as savior of the world. Personalized experiences has shown that Blacks are far better treated in Russia than Europe or America.

Blacks constitute a significant percentage of Americans so producing a black president shouldn't be such a big deal. There are also far more number of indigenous blacks in Britain, Belgium, France etc than Russia, but they would rather allow Indians run their country than for Blacks to hold sensitive positions.

igwebuike01:
Better than those looting Africa treasure

Chinese and Russians are racists and hate you more than the west and Americans.

Na this same hate una use oust Goodluck, run enter Buhari and BALA BLU.

The good thing is that those playing the games (the west vs Russia/China) are not as noisy as the pawns (Africans) in the game.
The pawns think they know so much that's why they keep making posts upon posts about it whereas those who are playing the game knows they are using Africa to gain one over another and Africàñs are happy to be pawns in this game.

The West are no saints....granted, but they are a million times more preferable to autocratic Russia and China! The African leaders courting Russia and China....give them the option to relocate with their families to either the West or Russia/China and you'll see it wouldn't even be a contest...the West would be their overwhelming preference, gay or no gay! Besides, African leaders are only courting Russia and China for unwholesome reasons....not just because they owe China or are looking for more cheap funds, but also because they know Russia and China, having autocratic gov'ts and less freedoms and respect for the rule of law, don't normally question those crooked African leaders or their gov'ts criminality or malfeasance in office!

Also, Russia and China courting Africa is not out of some new found love, but because they see African countries as pawns in their game of chess with the West!

Finally, don't mistake the sentiments, actions and utterances of greedy, corrupt and sit-tight African leaders to represent those of their people! Given a choice between both sides, their people know between the West and Russia/China which side they'd prefer to live in!

Pierocash:
without them considering African market , how easy and convenient do you think life in Africa wouid have been, can you afford American products?

That would have forced is to start producing our own

proeast:
They are not the same thing. China and Russia relate with Africa as friends with mutual respect. United States and Europe relate with Africa in a condescending and hypocritical manner.

Also, China relates with Europe same way it relates with Africa. They bought up several companies in Europe. Many European countries are indebted to China. Many countries are also heavily indebted including the United States too.

China provide critical infrastructure across Africa and even better technology transfer than the West. They don't try to impose disgusting lifestyle/culture on us.

China is more beneficial to us than the West.

Don't be fool, they are only after Thier interest. Believe me they are not your friend

Solsix:
That would have forced is to start producing our own

story.

Solsix:
Don't be fool, they are only after Thier interest. Believe me they are not your friend

They're after their interest fine but they won't impose it on you like the west ,you can imagine recently NATO official said they will dived Brazil in to 5 because Brazil refuse to send weapons to Ukraine.


When china is giving you loan they won't force you to change you laws or devalue your currency.

Chinese people are only after business and nothing more but the west want to dominate you by giving you loans with very hash conditions

LOVEALAIGBO:
The West are no saints....granted, but they are a million times more preferable to autocratic Russia and China! The African leaders courting Russia and China....give them the option to relocate with their families to either the West or Russia/China and you'll see it wouldn't even be a contest...the West would be their overwhelming preference, gay or no gay! Besides, African leaders are only courting Russia and China for unwholesome reasons....not just because they owe China or are looking for more cheap funds, but also because they know Russia and China, having autocratic gov'ts and less freedoms and respect for the rule of law, don't normally question those crooked African leaders or their gov'ts criminality or malfeasance in office!

Also, Russia and China courting Africa is not out of some new found love, but because they see African countries as pawns in their game of chess with the West!

Finally, don't mistake the sentiments, actions and utterances of greedy, corrupt and sit-tight African leaders to represent those of their people! Given a choice between both sides, their people know between the West and Russia/China which side they'd prefer to live in!

migrating to us or Russia is not even something to put on the equation,you have to consider a lot of variables when migrating, language is on of it,weather is also one living is some parts of Russia is like living in deep freezer many NIgerians can not survive that ,how many NIgerians can speak the Russian language

Again when Chinese people are trading with Africans they don't come here to change your style of government or impose their culture on you but you can't say the same of the west.

LOVEALAIGBO:
The West are no saints....granted, but they are a million times more preferable to autocratic Russia and China! The African leaders courting Russia and China....give them the option to relocate with their families to either the West or Russia/China and you'll see it wouldn't even be a contest...the West would be their overwhelming preference, gay or no gay! Besides, African leaders are only courting Russia and China for unwholesome reasons....not just because they owe China or are looking for more cheap funds, but also because they know Russia and China, having autocratic gov'ts and less freedoms and respect for the rule of law, don't normally question those crooked African leaders or their gov'ts criminality or malfeasance in office!

Also, Russia and China courting Africa is not out of some new found love, but because they see African countries as pawns in their game of chess with the West!

Finally, don't mistake the sentiments, actions and utterances of greedy, corrupt and sit-tight African leaders to represent those of their people! Given a choice between both sides, their people know between the West and Russia/China which side they'd prefer to live in!

This type of argument is the most foolish disposition when it comes to issues like this. Bringing up migration when policies are discussed! Firstly, if your country was good, would there by mass migration out? A foreign power colonizes a people for centuries, continue an exploitative relationship, when people revolt, you say which visa would you prefer? Shame! If the country was good, who would want to relocate?

So China/Russia supports sit tight governments, pls who has kept Biya in power for over 3 decades?

How some of you leave the crux of the matter to chase shadows is the reason we are still where we are as a nation. You ignored the resources looting part! Nigeria gets 60% of the value of crude IOCs officially extracts and exports based on international price of crude. In Niger; France gives 15% of the value of uranium taken out at a value of $11, whereas uranium is even selling above $200 in the international market. So even if France does resale, it would be mega rich while Niger remains perpetually poor.

Small Niger of how many people don’t have light; what will it have taken France to build its electricity capacity even if on a credit facility?

The west has had a relationship with Africa for more than 400 years, please show us the tangible results we have! If they must give you loans, you have to allow Steve to wed Steve. You must totally align your foreign policies with theirs like lectures delivered to a school boy, you must give their coys preferential rights of first refusal over your resources.

In less than 3 decades, thousands of kilometers of roads, bridges, airports, dams, seaports(lekky deep sea inclusive), railways have been financed all over Africa by Chinese credit. In all these, they never lectured anyone, their own is just trade. They never meddled in our policies.

Do you know if not for Chinese trade, basic things like phones, basic electronics and appliances would have been an exclusive reserve for the rich? Because they west totally designed Africa to be the dumping ground of whatever they have phased out in the name of tokunbor or direct Belgium. They never wanted even their waste to go to waste. It was good enough for Africans.

Someone foolishly mentioned debt trap, so US and Europe is not owing China? Development is financed by credit for god’s sake. That’s the reason the IMF and world bank was even created. But the west began to attach their evil conditions to it again.

So in your mind, so long we can get visas to japa, the westerners have done us a huge favor? You see why Nigeria will never be good! Because people like you exist!

Solsix:
Don't be fool, they are only after Thier interest. Believe me they are not your friend

You're the one trying to be a fool. Of course, every sensible country will want to protect their own interests in any deal or do you want them to be father Christmas?

The point is that they will relate with Africans in a more mutually beneficial way than the West.

b4ball:
This type of argument is the most foolish disposition when it comes to issues like this. Bringing up migration when policies are discussed! Firstly, if your country was good, would there by mass migration out? A foreign power colonizes a people for centuries, continue an exploitative relationship, when people revolt, you say which visa would you prefer? Shame! If the country was good, who would want to relocate?

So China/Russia supports sit tight governments, pls who has kept Biya in power for over 3 decades?

How some of you leave the crux of the matter to chase shadows is the reason we are still where we are as a nation. You ignored the resources looting part! Nigeria gets 60% of the value of crude IOCs officially extracts and exports based on international price of crude. In Niger; France gives 15% of the value of uranium taken out at a value of $11, whereas uranium is even selling above $200 in the international market. So even if France does resale, it would be mega rich while Niger remains perpetually poor.

Small Niger of how many people don’t have light; what will it have taken France to build its electricity capacity even if on a credit facility?

The west has had a relationship with Africa for more than 400 years, please show us the tangible results we have! If they must give you loans, you have to allow Steve to wed Steve. You must totally align your foreign policies with theirs like lectures delivered to a school boy, you must give their coys preferential rights of first refusal over your resources.

In less than 3 decades, thousands of kilometers of roads, bridges, airports, dams, seaports(lekky deep sea inclusive), railways have been financed all over Africa by Chinese credit. In all these, they never lectured anyone, their own is just trade. They never meddled in our policies.

Do you know if not for Chinese trade, basic things like phones, basic electronics and appliances would have been an exclusive reserve for the rich? Because they west totally designed Africa to be the dumping ground of whatever they have phased out in the name of tokunbor or direct Belgium. They never wanted even their waste to go to waste. It was good enough for Africans.

Someone foolishly mentioned debt trap, so US and Europe is not owing China? Development is financed by credit for god’s sake. That’s the reason the IMF and world bank was even created. But the west began to attach their evil conditions to it again.

So in your mind, so long we can get visas to japa, the westerners have done us a huge favor? You see why Nigeria will never be good! Because people like you exist!

that migration issue is the funnest part, the west will try to ensure a country is kept under extreme hardship so that the brilliant ones can migrate to the west and develop it for them ,I can remember when Boris Johnson was calling Russian scientists to migrate to UK since Russia is under heavy sanctions by the west,that was at the beginning of SMO in Ukraine when Russia fired the first hypersonic missile in Ukraine and almost the same period US had a failed test for their hypertension weapon test.

The bottom line is that migration can't be used when talking about trade relation between world powers and Africa

b4ball:
This type of argument is the most foolish disposition when it comes to issues like this. Bringing up migration when policies are discussed! Firstly, if your country was good, would there by mass migration out? A foreign power colonizes a people for centuries, continue an exploitative relationship, when people revolt, you say which visa would you prefer? Shame! If the country was good, who would want to relocate?

So China/Russia supports sit tight governments, pls who has kept Biya in power for over 3 decades?

How some of you leave the crux of the matter to chase shadows is the reason we are still where we are as a nation. You ignored the resources looting part! Nigeria gets 60% of the value of crude IOCs officially extracts and exports based on international price of crude. In Niger; France gives 15% of the value of uranium taken out at a value of $11, whereas uranium is even selling above $200 in the international market. So even if France does resale, it would be mega rich while Niger remains perpetually poor.

Small Niger of how many people don’t have light; what will it have taken France to build its electricity capacity even if on a credit facility?

The west has had a relationship with Africa for more than 400 years, please show us the tangible results we have! If they must give you loans, you have to allow Steve to wed Steve. You must totally align your foreign policies with theirs like lectures delivered to a school boy, you must give their coys preferential rights of first refusal over your resources.

In less than 3 decades, thousands of kilometers of roads, bridges, airports, dams, seaports(lekky deep sea inclusive), railways have been financed all over Africa by Chinese credit. In all these, they never lectured anyone, their own is just trade. They never meddled in our policies.

Do you know if not for Chinese trade, basic things like phones, basic electronics and appliances would have been an exclusive reserve for the rich? Because they west totally designed Africa to be the dumping ground of whatever they have phased out in the name of tokunbor or direct Belgium. They never wanted even their waste to go to waste. It was good enough for Africans.

Someone foolishly mentioned debt trap, so US and Europe is not owing China? Development is financed by credit for god’s sake. That’s the reason the IMF and world bank was even created. But the west began to attach their evil conditions to it again.

So in your mind, so long we can get visas to japa, the westerners have done us a huge favor? You see why Nigeria will never be good! Because people like you exist!

Don't mind those misguided ones!

b4ball:
This type of argument is the most foolish disposition when it comes to issues like this. Bringing up migration when policies are discussed! Firstly, if your country was good, would there by mass migration out? A foreign power colonizes a people for centuries, continue an exploitative relationship, when people revolt, you say which visa would you prefer? Shame! If the country was good, who would want to relocate?

So China/Russia supports sit tight governments, pls who has kept Biya in power for over 3 decades?

How some of you leave the crux of the matter to chase shadows is the reason we are still where we are as a nation. You ignored the resources looting part! Nigeria gets 60% of the value of crude IOCs officially extracts and exports based on international price of crude. In Niger; France gives 15% of the value of uranium taken out at a value of $11, whereas uranium is even selling above $200 in the international market. So even if France does resale, it would be mega rich while Niger remains perpetually poor.

Small Niger of how many people don’t have light; what will it have taken France to build its electricity capacity even if on a credit facility?

The west has had a relationship with Africa for more than 400 years, please show us the tangible results we have! If they must give you loans, you have to allow Steve to wed Steve. You must totally align your foreign policies with theirs like lectures delivered to a school boy, you must give their coys preferential rights of first refusal over your resources.

In less than 3 decades, thousands of kilometers of roads, bridges, airports, dams, seaports(lekky deep sea inclusive), railways have been financed all over Africa by Chinese credit. In all these, they never lectured anyone, their own is just trade. They never meddled in our policies.

Do you know if not for Chinese trade, basic things like phones, basic electronics and appliances would have been an exclusive reserve for the rich? Because they west totally designed Africa to be the dumping ground of whatever they have phased out in the name of tokunbor or direct Belgium. They never wanted even their waste to go to waste. It was good enough for Africans.

Someone foolishly mentioned debt trap, so US and Europe is not owing China? Development is financed by credit for god’s sake. That’s the reason the IMF and world bank was even created. But the west began to attach their evil conditions to it again.

So in your mind, so long we can get visas to japa, the westerners have done us a huge favor? You see why Nigeria will never be good! Because people like you exist!

I'm wondering where this emotional outburst is coming from! I responded to the OP and gave reasons why i begged to differ! At no point did i insult him or his position....i just gave a contrary view and left it at that! Then you jump out of nowhere and start ranting and raving like a lunatic! Dude, take a chill pill!

The OP didn't limit his scope of argument to just the economic, but widened it to include political, cultural and value-driven reasons why he thought Russia and China will drive the west out of Africa and become the new imperialists lording it over the continent. Because that is ultimately their aim innit?....To replace western imperialism and neo-colonialism of Africa with their own form of economic and political subjugation! Or you think they're engaging Africa out of the abundance of the 'love' in their hearts for us as against the west who you imply are the 'bad guys'!? Like i stated earlier, we're nothing but pawns in their political and economic power-play with the west!

My highlighting the preference of the west over Russia and China when it comes to holidaying, investments and japaring is germane to this discussion because we're talking of whose culture, values and way of life Africans (both elite and the masses....leaders and the led) prefer and are more comfortable with! This is where the ecomomics of it all can't explain everything!

The west, led by the United States of America, is the dominant economic, political and cultural force in the world, and this isn't gonna change any time soon! The west has the strongest magnetic attraction in relation to other spheres of ecomomic, cultural value-driven influence and this is why BRICS isn't gonna topple them anytime soon! The west has Hollywood; music; fashion; sports; science and technology; Michaels' Jordan and Jackson; and most importantly, the dollar....the most widely accepted store of value and most widely accepted currency for transactions in Africa and most parts of the world! Wake me up when we start discussing the plummeting value of the naira in relation to the ruble or yuan!

Like i said earlier, the west...just like Russia and China, aren't saints, but as of today compare both sides of the argument and tell me which accords more respect and dignity to the black man! Compare the way Chinese coys working in Africa treat their workers with the way western coys treat theirs and you'd discover a wide gulf between the two! Yes, France is a neo-colonial power that has treated/cheated its former colonies badly, but at least we can see the books and be able to criticise their unfair partnerships in countries like Niger based on the numbers! On the other hand, Chinas' operations in Africa are underlined more by their clandestine business activities that a lot of times are marked by illegal operations, bribing of a few corrupt gov't officials, maltreatment of workers and disregard for the environment in which they operate!

Parts of Africa are already being taken over by China

You're in long dream bro, infact Europeans are coming back again to Africa

LOVEALAIGBO:
I'm wondering where this emotional outburst is coming from! I responded to the OP and gave reasons why i begged to differ! At no point did i insult him or his position....i just gave a contrary view and left it at that! Then you jump out of nowhere and start ranting and raving like a lunatic! Dude, take a chill pill!

The OP didn't limit his scope of argument to just the economic, but widened it to include political, cultural and value-driven reasons why he thought Russia and China will drive the west out of Africa and become the new imperialists lording it over the continent. Because that is ultimately their aim innit?....To replace western imperialism and neo-colonialism of Africa with their own form of economic and political subjugation! Or you think they're engaging Africa out of the abundance of the 'love' in their hearts for us as against the west who you imply are the 'bad guys'!? Like i stated earlier, we're nothing but pawns in their political and economic power-play with the west!

My highlighting the preference of the west over Russia and China when it comes to holidaying, investments and japaring is germane to this discussion because we're talking of whose culture, values and way of life Africans (both elite and the masses....leaders and the led) prefer and are more comfortable with! This is where the ecomomics of it all can't explain everything!

The west, led by the United States of America, is the dominant economic, political and cultural force in the world, and this isn't gonna change any time soon! The west has the strongest magnetic attraction in relation to other spheres of ecomomic, cultural value-driven influence and this is why BRICS isn't gonna topple them anytime soon! The west has Hollywood; music; fashion; sports; science and technology; Michaels' Jordan and Jackson; and most importantly, the dollar....the most widely accepted store of value and most widely accepted currency for transactions in Africa and most parts of the world! Wake me up when we start discussing the plummeting value of the naira in relation to the ruble or yuan!

Like i said earlier, the west...just like Russia and China, aren't saints, but as of today compare both sides of the argument and tell me which accords more respect and dignity to the black man! Compare the way Chinese coys working in Africa treat their workers with the way western coys treat theirs and you'd discover a wide gulf between the two! Yes, France is a neo-colonial power that has treated/cheated its former colonies badly, but at least we can see the books and be able to criticise their unfair partnerships in countries like Niger based on the numbers! On the other hand, Chinas' operations in Africa are underlined more by their clandestine business activities that a lot of times are marked by illegal operations, bribing of a few corrupt gov't officials, maltreatment of workers and disregard for the environment in which they operate!

I called a line of argument foolish and not you because it has become common amongst some NLs to bring up migration and visa choices when discussing policies, but you choose to show how emotionally unstable and myopic you are. I will not sling with you in the mud and rather stick to issues!

Firstly, at no point did the Op say china intends to become the new imperial powers in Africa. He simply alludes to cultural, economic and political ideologies of the east which are more suited to the African course and will be the levers by which the exploitative lordship of the western dominance will come to an end. But of course you did not read.

I tried to find sense in what you mean by economic and political subjugation by China. Because for starters, there is no country where China can be said to have interfered politically outside of economics. In terms of economics, pls explain economic subjugation for us. If you are referring to Chinese credits. I have to laugh at you. Germany, the biggest economy in Europe has Chinese credits financing infrastructural projects. The BRI cuts across both Europe, South America, Middle East, Asia and Africa. For the umpteemt time, development is financed by credit line. This was why the world bank and IMF was created to provide credit to help bridge infrastructural and economic deficits worldwide.

Bringing up japaring and visas shows how shallow a writer can be. I repeat, who will migrate in search of better life if the 400 years old relationship was beneficial to Africa?

You need to unlearn and relearn. Widen your scope of reading, at no point did BRICS say it intends to topple the western led dominance. That’s what you heard on BBC and co. BRICS offers an alternative. IMF recently slapped ban on Uganda for implementing strict gay laws, the NDB(new development bank) will not slap a ban on credit for members because of their political and cultural views. No one is saying the dollar is going away, but trying to bring about an alternative that takes away the ability of the US to use its dollar to sanction people it don’t like because of their policies.

While it is true that every nation will first pursue its interests, China has not shied away that it’s interest is trade and not how you choose to live your lives! Do you know why? Because it’s the manufacturing capital of the world. It’s also the biggest consumer of fossil fuel and raw materials. So it’s a win win!

You could not point out what the benefit for Africa has been after 4 centuries, the result in less than 30 years of engagement with China is visible to the blind in Africa.