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Did Hamas Miscalculate Israel's Resposnse? by ibinaboonline: 1:18pm On Oct 11, 2023

The Israeli government said two days ago it will act to free the hostages according to the nation's longstanding principle of leaving no prisoner behind. This is as Qatar have held urgent calls with Hamas officials to try to negotiate freedom for Israeli hostages seized by the terrorist group and held in Gaza. However, a Hamas brigade official has said there's "no chance" of prisoner swap talks as long as Israel is bombarding Gaza.

This left me wondering what exactly was Hamas thinking when it launched such a major assault, not just on Israeli soldiers, but ordinary citizens, children, the elderly, and new moms. I have been waiting to see the direction this conflict will go because I refused to accept Hamas just up and invaded Israel as a reaction to "Israel's crimes in Gaza and the desecration of their mosque. I was sure the attack was just a tip of something more sinister cooking under the table, with, perhaps, Iran and Lebanon holding the spoon.

So far, not much to support my private thoughts, or perhaps it's too early for me to conclude? Is something much bigger on the way?

Anyway, my main point here is based on Hamas' remark that there's no talks of prisoner negotiations while Israel bombs Gaza. It immediately reminded me of the videos depicting Hamas fighters training and practicing "how to kidnap IDF soldiers" prior to launching the attack. So, the kidnap was planned, not a case of taking advantage of a random opportunity.

Kidnapping Israelis was part and parcel of Hamas' violent encroachment of Israeli territory. Is it possible, then, Hamas' plan was based on the assumption that Israel won't launch a retaliation when hundreds of its citizens are held hostage in Gaza? Well, it sounds like a smart plan, but apparently a miscalculated smart plan.

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Re: Did Hamas Miscalculate Israel's Resposnse? by Tribalism007(f): 1:19pm On Oct 11, 2023
This war have already caused multiple innocent people to die,,,
Which is bad
Re: Did Hamas Miscalculate Israel's Resposnse? by ibinaboonline: 1:33pm On Oct 11, 2023
True. It's just that to them, it's okay. The dead are martyrs and they'll do it again. That's the problem.
Tribalism007:
This war have already caused multiple innocent people to die,,,
Which is bad

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Re: Did Hamas Miscalculate Israel's Resposnse? by Mcreloaded(m): 1:44pm On Oct 11, 2023
Any which way you look at it, Israel now have more than enough excuse to finish Hamas once and for all.
When 2 elephant fight its the grass that suffers it.
The women and children will be the collateral damage when e erythinf cools off.
Hamas should have just stick to kidnapping of soldiers and at most the men and jot the u necessary killings of women and children.

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Re: Did Hamas Miscalculate Israel's Resposnse? by Tozocalamity: 1:59pm On Oct 11, 2023
Hamas leaders and footsoldiers have shallow mind. As a result of their they made a very poor decision to attack isreal in a suprise attack . Not only did they attack isreal and caused hundred ofs isreali deaths, They also took hostages with the wrong assumption that isreal wil negotiate in order to secure the realese of the abducted in exchange for imprisoned palestinian /hamas fighters. The consequences of making Poor decision can be very catastrophic.

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Re: Did Hamas Miscalculate Israel's Resposnse? by ivolt: 2:12pm On Oct 11, 2023
NO, Hamas did not miscalculate.
Iran forced Hamas into attacking Israel because Saudi Arabia and Israel were close to normalizing their relationship and isolating Iran further. The aim of the attack is to destroy the upcoming Saudi-Israel peace deal.
The attack and the expected response have delayed if not completely derailed the process.

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Re: Did Hamas Miscalculate Israel's Resposnse? by NSNO(m): 2:18pm On Oct 11, 2023
ivolt:
NO, Hamas did not. Iran forced Hamas into attacking Israel because Saudi Arabia and Israel were close to normalizing their relationship and isolating Iran further. The aim of the attack is to destroy the upcoming Saudi-Israel peace deal
This is an intelligent take on the issue. Because this conflict does not make sense to me.

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Re: Did Hamas Miscalculate Israel's Resposnse? by motayoayinde: 2:27pm On Oct 11, 2023
NOPE.

IT IS THE IDF THAT IS SHOCKED BY THE SCALE OF HAMAS OPERATION AND RESILIENCE.

BOMBING EVERYWHERE IN GAZA IS ALWAYS THE DEFAULT, UNTHINKING RESPONSE OF IDF TO HAMAS ATTACKS,

IT'S NOT NEW AND IT NEVER CHANGES ANYTHING.

HAMAS KEEPS GETTING STRONGER.

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Re: Did Hamas Miscalculate Israel's Resposnse? by Buccalcavity2: 2:32pm On Oct 11, 2023
Since I've been monitoring this, Its the same pattern. Hamas attacks with rockets and Israel retaliates, then they call for a truce. The difference this time is that Hamas bridged the border and physically did what it had always stood for on Israeli citizens and covered it on camera., thereby humiliating and proving Israel right that it's existence is at risk if Hamas exists.
Make no mistake. If those over 5000 rockets found its way into Israel alongside the land assault, Israel would have been history last Saturday!

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Re: Did Hamas Miscalculate Israel's Resposnse? by Franzinni: 2:52pm On Oct 11, 2023
Ww3 is cooking already ... It is slowly gathering momentum.. in real time
Re: Did Hamas Miscalculate Israel's Resposnse? by dangermouse(m): 3:24pm On Oct 11, 2023
Hamas counted on later support from countries an groups sympathetic to them when the Israelis start countering them.

The US war ship now stationed nearby is what is really deterring those they banked on for back up.

It was a strategic move by the US stationing the war ship close bye.

Time will still tell. If the war ship would be enough deterrent to the other would be actors.

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Re: Did Hamas Miscalculate Israel's Resposnse? by proxillin(m): 3:43pm On Oct 11, 2023
motayoayinde:
NOPE.

IT IS THE IDF THAT IS SHOCKED BY THE SCALE OF HAMAS OPERATION AND RESILIENCE.

BOMBING EVERYWHERE IN GAZA IS ALWAYS THE DEFAULT, UNTHINKING RESPONSE OF IDF TO HAMAS ATTACKS,

IT'S NOT NEW AND IT NEVER CHANGES ANYTHING.

HAMAS KEEPS GETTING STRONGER.

hamas went with hostages thinking israel will not be able to strike back because of hostages. They thought israel will start with negotiation. Israel don't even care about the hostage.

How do we know? Hamas has come out to say that they will start killing those hostages if israel continues to bomb gaza.
If they are prepared to sacrifice gaza as you have said, then it shouldn't pain them that israel is bombing it.

The fact that hamas demand israel to stop bombing gaza defeated your argument

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Re: Did Hamas Miscalculate Israel's Resposnse? by ibinaboonline: 3:49pm On Oct 11, 2023
Any which way you look at it, Israel now have more than enough excuse to finish Hamas once and for all.

I'm not so sure about that. Hezbollah is already firing missiles on IDF positions on the border towns of Lebanon. Before it gets to the point of "finish Hamas once and for all," who knows what other paramilitaries would've joined the conflict openly. Iran is just looking for an excuse to do just that. Khemenei has already made an appearance of solidarity with Hamas. In any case, Hamas will always lose, even if not exterminated altogether.

When 2 elephant fight its the grass that suffers it.
The women and children will be the collateral damage when e erythinf cools off.


Exactly.

Hamas should have just stick to kidnapping of soldiers and at most the men and jot the u necessary killings of women and children.

Whatever came over them to do this, only time will tell.


Mcreloaded:
Any which way you look at it, Israel now have more than enough excuse to finish Hamas once and for all.
When 2 elephant fight its the grass that suffers it.
The women and children will be the collateral damage when e erythinf cools off.
Hamas should have just stick to kidnapping of soldiers and at most the men and jot the u necessary killings of women and children.

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Re: Did Hamas Miscalculate Israel's Resposnse? by ibinaboonline: 3:51pm On Oct 11, 2023
Very miscalculated assumptions, apparently.
Tozocalamity:
Hamas leaders and footsoldiers have shallow mind. As a result of their they made a very poor decision to attack isreal in a suprise attack . Not only did they attack isreal and caused hundred ofs isreali deaths, They also took hostages with the wrong assumption that isreal wil negotiate in order to secure the realese of the abducted in exchange for imprisoned palestinian /hamas fighters. The consequences of making Poor decision can be very catastrophic.
Re: Did Hamas Miscalculate Israel's Resposnse? by ibinaboonline: 3:55pm On Oct 11, 2023
I personally can't make the connection of why the Islamic society would think a bloody attack on Israel would scuttle the ongoing bridge-building between the Jewish State and Saudi Arabia. Anyway, who knows what's going on under the table.
ivolt:
NO, Hamas did not. Iran forced Hamas into attacking Israel because Saudi Arabia and Israel were close to normalizing their relationship and isolating Iran further. The aim of the attack is to destroy the upcoming Saudi-Israel peace deal
Re: Did Hamas Miscalculate Israel's Resposnse? by Mcreloaded(m): 3:57pm On Oct 11, 2023
ibinaboonline:
Any which way you look at it, Israel now have more than enough excuse to finish Hamas once and for all.

I'm not so sure about that. Hezbollah is already firing missiles on IDF positions on the border towns of Lebanon. Before it gets to the point of "finish Hamas once and for all," who knows what other paramilitaries would've joined the conflict openly. Iran is just looking for an excuse to do just that. Khemenei has already made an appearance of solidarity with Hamas. In any case, Hamas will always lose, even if not exterminated altogether.

When 2 elephant fight its the grass that suffers it.
The women and children will be the collateral damage when e erythinf cools off.


Exactly.

Hamas should have just stick to kidnapping of soldiers and at most the men and jot the u necessary killings of women and children.

Whatever came over them to do this, only time will tell.



Right now Israel no get joy.

I just hope this war will bri g ever lasting g solution when it ends where by both parties will respect each other and the e dress fighting g will stop

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Re: Did Hamas Miscalculate Israel's Resposnse? by ibinaboonline: 3:59pm On Oct 11, 2023
It's not just the IDF that's shcoked. The whole world is in shock. It's the aftermath, though. As I type this, The 2 million+ Gaza residents don't have electricity anymore. That alone would drive me crazy if I lived there. The barrage of strikes is reducing many parts of the strip to rubble. Hospitals overwhelmed. 250 children dead. What did they do to deserve that? Is one life of a child worth the invasion? To the average fanatic, of course all their lives put together is worth the struggle.
motayoayinde:
NOPE.

IT IS THE IDF THAT IS SHOCKED BY THE SCALE OF HAMAS OPERATION AND RESILIENCE.

BOMBING EVERYWHERE IN GAZA IS ALWAYS THE DEFAULT, UNTHINKING RESPONSE OF IDF TO HAMAS ATTACKS,

IT'S NOT NEW AND IT NEVER CHANGES ANYTHING.

HAMAS KEEPS GETTING STRONGER.
Re: Did Hamas Miscalculate Israel's Resposnse? by ibinaboonline: 4:03pm On Oct 11, 2023
The US war ship now stationed nearby is what is really deterring those they banked on for back up.

You nailed it.

Time will still tell. If the war ship would be enough deterrent to the other would be actors.

My point as well.

dangermouse:
Hamas counted on later support from countries an groups sympathetic to them when the Israelis start countering them.

The US war ship now stationed nearby is what is really deterring those they banked on for back up.

It was a strategic move by the US stationing the war ship close bye.

Time will still tell. If the war ship would be enough deterrent to the other would be actors.
Re: Did Hamas Miscalculate Israel's Resposnse? by BentizilL0: 4:17pm On Oct 11, 2023
Israel is overrated...

You mean to say UK, US and their allies response??
Re: Did Hamas Miscalculate Israel's Resposnse? by Israelterrorist: 4:29pm On Oct 11, 2023
Isreal is over rated
Ordinary ragtag militias are giving them a bloody nose, imagine it was iran, Israel would have been wiped off completely from the earth.
I still blame Hitler for not getting rid of these terrorists when he had the chance to.
Dogs own people my foot grin

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Re: Did Hamas Miscalculate Israel's Resposnse? by ibinaboonline: 4:32pm On Oct 11, 2023
BentizilL0:
Israel is overrated...

You mean to say UK, US and their allies response??

What are you referring to?
Re: Did Hamas Miscalculate Israel's Resposnse? by ibinaboonline: 4:34pm On Oct 11, 2023
Well, Hitler tried his best, but he failed.
Israelterrorist:
Isreal is over rated
Ordinary ragtag militias are giving them a bloody nose, imagine it was iran, Israel would have been wiped off completely from the earth.
I still blame Hitler for not getting rid of these terrorists when he had the chance to.
Dogs own people my foot grin

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Re: Did Hamas Miscalculate Israel's Resposnse? by codedguy1(m): 4:37pm On Oct 11, 2023
Franzinni:
Ww3 is cooking already ... It is slowly gathering momentum.. in real time

Nothing will happen to trigger any ww3, at least from this conflict.

Why are the other Arab countries who support Hamas/Palestine not attacking Israel if they feel what Israel is doing is wrong? Bloody cowards. That's only what might trigger a Ww3 because every country will have take sides.

Anyone that puts hand will collect.

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Re: Did Hamas Miscalculate Israel's Resposnse? by misreal(m): 4:39pm On Oct 11, 2023
Buccalcavity2:
Since I've been monitoring this, Its the same pattern. Hamas attacks with rockets and Israel retaliates, then they call for a truce. The difference this time is that Hamas bridged the border and physically did what it had always stood for on Israeli citizens and covered it on camera., thereby humiliating and proving Israel right that it's existence is at risk if Hamas exists.
Make no mistake. If those over 5000 rockets found its way into Israel alongside the land assault, Israel would have been history last Saturday!
Yeah..
"From the rivers down to the sea, Palestine shall be free".
This is a popular slogan in Gaza,do you know what it means?
It means Israel will be wiped off the face of the earth so they can get back their land from the river to the sea.
Gaza just attempted to wipe out Israel...
Israel wants to wipe them out before they ever succeed

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Re: Did Hamas Miscalculate Israel's Resposnse? by misreal(m): 4:42pm On Oct 11, 2023
Israelterrorist:
Isreal is over rated
Ordinary ragtag militias are giving them a bloody nose, imagine it was iran, Israel would have been wiped off completely from the earth.
I still blame Hitler for not getting rid of these terrorists when he had the chance to.
Dogs own people my foot grin
In 1948,An underated Israel properly dealt with 6nations in the Arab world in just six days.
Guess what,Iran will not near and underated Israel in this modern times.
Can you tell me why Iran is not yet attacking Israel?...
Rag tag militias that are being smoked out already..
Na only I sabi wetin u mean by bloody nose

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Re: Did Hamas Miscalculate Israel's Resposnse? by ExudeLoveToAll: 4:43pm On Oct 11, 2023
dangermouse:
Hamas counted on later support from countries an groups sympathetic to them when the Israelis start countering them.

The US war ship now stationed nearby is what is really deterring those they banked on for back up.

It was a strategic move by the US stationing the war ship close bye.

Time will still tell. If the war ship would be enough deterrent to the other would be actors.

A second carrier strike group has been notified to enter the theatre, It will arrive in two weeks time.

That's a sufficient deterrent, the combined stealth capabilities from F35, F22raptors, F16, submarines, cruisers, destroyers, frigates and other capabilities is enough to deter any intending aggressor who wishes to join .

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Re: Did Hamas Miscalculate Israel's Resposnse? by codedguy1(m): 4:51pm On Oct 11, 2023
Do they know how to calculate anything?
Re: Did Hamas Miscalculate Israel's Resposnse? by codedguy1(m): 4:56pm On Oct 11, 2023
ibinaboonline:
The US war ship now stationed nearby is what is really deterring those they banked on for back up.

You nailed it.

Time will still tell. If the war ship would be enough deterrent to the other would be actors.

My point as well.


Did they not know that US will stand with Israel no matter what?

That's why I said they don't calculate anything.

Anyone that puts hand will collect from Israel.

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Re: Did Hamas Miscalculate Israel's Resposnse? by codedguy1(m): 4:57pm On Oct 11, 2023
NSNO:

This is an intelligent take on the issue. Because this conflict does not make sense to me.

Hamas no get sense na.

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Re: Did Hamas Miscalculate Israel's Resposnse? by Israelterrorist: 5:00pm On Oct 11, 2023
misreal:

In 1948,An underated Israel properly dealt with 6nations in the Arab world in just six days.
Guess what,Iran will not near and underated Israel in this modern times.
Can you tell me why Iran is not yet attacking Israel?...
Rag tag militias that are being smoked out already..
Na only I sabi wetin u mean by bloody nose
And you think this is 1948 grin
Ordinary ragtag militias is giving your dog own nation a bloody nose, they had to cry for backup from American.
Just imagine iran vs Israel
Dogs own nation my foot.
Bloody terrorists and land grabbers
Re: Did Hamas Miscalculate Israel's Resposnse? by ibinaboonline: 5:00pm On Oct 11, 2023
shocked
ExudeLoveToAll:


A second carrier strike group has been notified to enter the theatre, It will arrive in two weeks time.

That's a sufficient deterrent, the combined stealth capabilities from F35, F22raptors, F16, submarines, cruisers, destroyers, frigates and other capabilities is enough to deter any intending aggressor who wishes to join .
Re: Did Hamas Miscalculate Israel's Resposnse? by ibinaboonline: 5:01pm On Oct 11, 2023
grin
codedguy1:
Do they know how to calculate anything?

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