2024 Budget: Debt Servicing To Gulp 31% Of National Budget - Politics (2) - Nairaland
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| Re: 2024 Budget: Debt Servicing To Gulp 31% Of National Budget by Livegamesonly(m): 9:08am On Oct 17, 2023 |
mrvitalis:story for the gods...another aluta continua in progress...They will loot it and still borrow more...you dey use naija politicians play... |
| Re: 2024 Budget: Debt Servicing To Gulp 31% Of National Budget by mrvitalis(m): 9:13am On Oct 17, 2023 |
MrPOTUS:Maybe when you tax Nigerians more they would stop electing people based on Tribalism and elect people who would give them value You think people who pay tax can be paid 5k to vote? Or people who suffer to pay taxes won't come out to vote? |
| Re: 2024 Budget: Debt Servicing To Gulp 31% Of National Budget by mrvitalis(m): 9:14am On Oct 17, 2023 |
ConquerorK:Bro Europe has housing tax, housing tax is the backbone of every developed economy except the oil rich low population countries every serious country pay housing tax |
| Re: 2024 Budget: Debt Servicing To Gulp 31% Of National Budget by MrPOTUS: 9:25am On Oct 17, 2023 |
mrvitalis:Very true bro. 👍 Never thought about it from this angle. |
| Re: 2024 Budget: Debt Servicing To Gulp 31% Of National Budget by mrvitalis(m): 9:32am On Oct 17, 2023 |
MrPOTUS:For me thats the angle I see it from... Tax would solve tribalism Tax would make people become more involved in politics Tax is very important not just as revenue but for the establishment of social contract between government and the people |
| Re: 2024 Budget: Debt Servicing To Gulp 31% Of National Budget by BeauBragnar11: 9:33am On Oct 17, 2023 |
mrvitalis:I hope you know you're VERY MAD!!! |
| Re: 2024 Budget: Debt Servicing To Gulp 31% Of National Budget by BeauBragnar11: 9:37am On Oct 17, 2023 |
mrvitalis:Are you MAD?? Is Nigeria Europe?? What resources does Europe have compared to Nigeria?? Why don't you compare our tax burden with our fellow oil rich countries like Saudi, Quatar, UAE, Kuwait,Lybia, Algeria?! Do their citizens bear this much tax burden?? ![]() |
| Re: 2024 Budget: Debt Servicing To Gulp 31% Of National Budget by mrvitalis(m): 9:46am On Oct 17, 2023 |
BeauBragnar11:Saudi produce 8 times your oil with 3% of your population All those countries u mention have population less than Lagos and produce far more oil than Nigeria Nigeria is a broke country mind you Europe have resources Scotland, Norway have oil yet tax is around 50% of their income Tax is important for a low resources country like Nigeria |
| Re: 2024 Budget: Debt Servicing To Gulp 31% Of National Budget by mrvitalis(m): 9:47am On Oct 17, 2023 |
BeauBragnar11:Mad because I proposed tax? |
| Re: 2024 Budget: Debt Servicing To Gulp 31% Of National Budget by Just4000: 10:07am On Oct 17, 2023 |
Well, you have a point and that point is the need for proper implementation of federal tax, which would generate more revenue which would be used to for our budget financing. However, this your theory and assertion is marred with certain level of lack of proper information and also totally impracticable, with this few points. 1. Where did you get the figure for 42 million houses and if your figure is correct(which is not) how can assume 60% is in urban area knowing that Nigerians are urban dwellers. If just 60% are in urban areas then its no longer urban but semi rural. 2. How do you value an average house for 20m. How much does an average Nigerian earn? Though this may still be feasible when we put to consideration houses and estates owned by the government and corporate bodies. 3. This 3% tax can only be effective for houses owned by well meaning individuals and corporate bodies. The masses are already suffering and vast population of the country are either living in rented apartments or squatting with someone somewhere. 4. You talked about 12 million cars. And you went ahead to do your calculations including tricycles and motorcycles. I mean is the 12million figure for all? 5. You expect a motorcycle rider to pay you at least 20k per year..? Where is your emotions? You proposal is devoid of proper data. It is not practicable and therefore not implementable. mrvitalis: |
| Re: 2024 Budget: Debt Servicing To Gulp 31% Of National Budget by GeneralDae: 10:07am On Oct 17, 2023 |
Racoon:The debt servicing is as a result of previous debts owed. So what else would Obi have done? Not service debt? |
| Re: 2024 Budget: Debt Servicing To Gulp 31% Of National Budget by dacool1(m): 10:07am On Oct 17, 2023 |
mrvitalis:Do you think there's a building I Nigeria that's not being taxed? What's LAND USE CHARGE for? All vehicles are being taxed through various means. You also forgot to account for the cost of collection of these taxes which will gulp about 15 to 25 per cent of the tax collected Taxation is not the problem. Accountability and judicious use of these generated funds is the bane of the societys growth. Finally, no country can tax itself into prosperity. Issuance of interest free credit plus the right set of monetary and fiscal policies with SECURITY is the only way out of this mess. |
| Re: 2024 Budget: Debt Servicing To Gulp 31% Of National Budget by clinician2x: 10:12am On Oct 17, 2023 |
mrvitalis:Then start buying private jets for each of the lawmakers because revenue go surplus. Na only ur father house and car they go tax |
| Re: 2024 Budget: Debt Servicing To Gulp 31% Of National Budget by donb06: 10:29am On Oct 17, 2023 |
mrvitalis:This how sane countries do things... But then the human factor, the naija factor .. one day you will hear the one man stole 450billion ... You sef go shock |
| Re: 2024 Budget: Debt Servicing To Gulp 31% Of National Budget by nedu666: 11:32am On Oct 17, 2023 |
mrvitalis:You want fg to tax car owners 500k. Second hand vehicles for that matter after paying for vehicle insurance, licence, mot etc. You must be joking |
| Re: 2024 Budget: Debt Servicing To Gulp 31% Of National Budget by mrvitalis(m): 11:37am On Oct 17, 2023 |
nedu666:500k would be for trailers Cars can pay 100 to 200k |
| Re: 2024 Budget: Debt Servicing To Gulp 31% Of National Budget by grandstar(m): 3:34pm On Oct 17, 2023*. Modified: 1:24am On Oct 18, 2023 |
mrvitalis:Your ideas though well intentioned are dead on arrival. You want to use high property taxes finish Nigeria? In Lagos state when Ambode decided to increase the Lagos state equivalent to less than 0.5% (I am not sure of the exact figure), the citizens vehemently kicked against it. A tax on cars isn't a bad idea. Collecting it though may be a challenge and if the taxes are unreasonably high, revenues will be scanty. Giving money out at concessionary rates to businessmen by government is a bad idea. The vast majority won't pay back. That is why this government wants to end the anchor borrowers scheme. Government can increase revenues by simply ensuring better collection rates. There is massive tax evasion. Most people either don't pay taxes or underpay. I doubt if up to 1% of Nigerian companies pay the company tax of 32% (if the 2% education tax is included). A lesson from India. It discovered that any time it reduced taxes, revenues increased. People were more readily prepared to pay with low taxes, What I would suggest is corporate tax be reduced to less than 15% in total. This will not only boost revenues, but drive massive foreign investment into the country. This has been the experience of countries such as Ireland and Hong Kong which have used a low tax model. It is best banks lend out money from their vaults to borrowers directly. It is best that interest rates stay low in general and not for a preferred few. Nigeria can achieve low lending rates by applying the late economist, Henry Boyo , who argued that the Naira substitution policy was keeping interest rates high. What is the Naira substitution policy? This occurs every month when the dollar derived parts of revenue (crude oil) is shared amongst the 3 tiers of government. The money is paid in Naira. Henry Boyo argued that the changing to dollars to Naira leads to an increase in money supply. This increased money supply leads to excess money in circulation. For this excess money in circulation not to turn inflationary, the CBN uses high interest rates to mop up the money. Since the CBN rate is the lowest, it means that general lending rates will be high. Henry Boyo suggested that rather than pay this money in Naira, why not pay it in dollars? It won't be actual dollars but dollar certificates which will be convertible at a commercial bank. In this scenario, it will be dollars chasing Naira. The Naira will strengthen in value. Also, there's no excess cash in money supply any more. The CBN instead can start reducing interest rates until it goes below 10%. The policy isn't new. Charles Soludo wanted to implement it while he was at the CBN but the governors were against it and complained to then president (I am not sure of who) who succumbed to their pleas. Nigeria for years had no busy having lending rates above 10%, During OBJ's second term when he pursued the most disciplined fiscal regime in Nigeria, yet lending rates hovered around 17%. Ability to borrow at less than 10% will turn the fortunes of this country around. Costly credit does far more damage than poor infrastructure to the economy. |
| Re: 2024 Budget: Debt Servicing To Gulp 31% Of National Budget by Growing(m): 5:57pm On Oct 17, 2023 |
I am in shock that someone's response to this post is more tax by the government. |
| Re: 2024 Budget: Debt Servicing To Gulp 31% Of National Budget by Simeonjoe1: 9:03pm On Oct 17, 2023 |
mrvitalis:Dream theory. Only 0.1% of houses will pay tax, and not to mention cars. Your theory is based on igr generation through taxes in a society where majority of the population are unwilling. Even if you are to acquire your desire percentage it'll take nothing less than 5 yrs to meet a 80% compliance, then this question now hangs 1 you'll become highly unpopular among the voters hindering your plans to return for another term (which the winner is sure to scrap knowing it makes you unpopular. 1 problem with 9ja government_lack of contuinity) 2. It'll will require medium to long term for this policy to start baring real result so for the short time what will you do? 3. How will you convince a populace that has never done so before to start contributing 3% tax ever now so with the hard economic reality? |
| Re: 2024 Budget: Debt Servicing To Gulp 31% Of National Budget by Simeonjoe1: 9:07pm On Oct 17, 2023 |
MrPOTUS:Now people understand the benefits of subsidy? 😂 You don't know what you've got until you lose it. By this time last year all contestant where singing subsidy removal and were geared on by their supporters. Only few like that ADC, sowore and others vow to continue. Many things you're enjoying but albert the larger economic crisis we're impeded to its significance until they are gone also. |
| Re: 2024 Budget: Debt Servicing To Gulp 31% Of National Budget by Simeonjoe1: 9:14pm On Oct 17, 2023 |
MrPOTUS:Very true. Nigeria taxes the establishment and not the people. Contrast to US who equally tax both, personnel even more. That's why it's more easier for some big business men or companies to post low tax return in the US. 1. This can serve as an imperative to encourage companies higher more workers or increase the wages of their employees who can be highly taxed by the government 2. Highly taxed citizens demands for more accountability 3. Easy implementation of economic policies like tax holidays, credit, defers which can boost point 1 mentioned earlier |
| Re: 2024 Budget: Debt Servicing To Gulp 31% Of National Budget by Simeonjoe1: 9:15pm On Oct 17, 2023 |
BeauBragnar11:No he's not. He's just profiling his solution to increase revenue generation. What's yours? |
| Re: 2024 Budget: Debt Servicing To Gulp 31% Of National Budget by Simeonjoe1: 9:22pm On Oct 17, 2023 |
BeauBragnar11:Resources resources resources. Na this same shout since 1914. And guess what? We even lack the technical know how to extract and process the resource ourselves. Without foreign investment this resources lies dormant in the ground. No technical abilities at all. This thing dey really pain me . We can't even effectively build and manage large scale oil drilling (4mbpd) We can't mine and process our iron ores. No reputable indigenous construction firm to carry out enormous infrastructure development(super highway, bridges, skyscrapers, metro rail, power) Some thing other country done dey for since 200yrs we no sabi (industrial revolution) Everything we go need foreigners, but we can sit on our asses and shout resources while we dey the nothing about it collectively as a people. |
| Re: 2024 Budget: Debt Servicing To Gulp 31% Of National Budget by Simeonjoe1: 9:30pm On Oct 17, 2023 |
Just4000:Point 1 and 2 are just assumptions in think. I'm not even bothered by them. But the main thing is how will you convince 9jerians to pay 3% tax and car tax? This same 9ja where even business people no wa pay tax finish? How long will it even take to meet 50% compliance. Europian countries has already operated the manor / feudal system. Where lords and peasants a like pay taxes, so it's nothing new to them. I remember reading somewhere during the colonial times where the colonial impose 5% tax on Lagos resident, this will help to provide stable pipe borne water, also health finance. the oyinbo were shock by the people reaction even though the policy na for public good. Sharp sharp dey gat stop am to avoid riot. Such sentiment is still on today |
| Re: 2024 Budget: Debt Servicing To Gulp 31% Of National Budget by Simeonjoe1: 9:33pm On Oct 17, 2023 |
dacool1:Nigeria was never taxed enough. Hell 8% gdp is abysmal atleast do 15%. Atleast they role 30trn yearly from tax. That alone done solve the monetary problem... |
| Re: 2024 Budget: Debt Servicing To Gulp 31% Of National Budget by mrvitalis(m): 9:33pm On Oct 17, 2023 |
Simeonjoe1:If am president or if am running for president my mantra would be IF YOU CAN'T TRUST ME WITH YOUR TAX DON'T TRUST ME WITH YOUR VOTES 1) that's online possible when you don't know what to do with tax... In fact that's why Tax is important as the political office holder you are under pressure to please the people It's what's called social contract, People vote who can give them value for their money... When you pay tax and you see results why would the leader be unpopular? 2) if am president the idea would work in less than 6 months... Free registration to register each house, just log into the website upload your documents and a QR code generates for the house Once scanned shows your tax records Failure to pay tax attracts a fine of 20% value of the house... I no come play with anyone... If after 4 years you don't see value vote me out 3) I won't convince anyone the law is the law and must be obey once the law is passed and signed it's the law Vote me out if you don't get value for your tax What you should ask me is what do the people stand to gain If your road is untared you don't get taxed |
| Re: 2024 Budget: Debt Servicing To Gulp 31% Of National Budget by Simeonjoe1: 9:39pm On Oct 17, 2023 |
grandstar:You smart. Obj second term is the best economic era this country ever had. It was all downtorn from yaradua with Buhari compounding it. Chai Obj for do 3rd term |
| Re: 2024 Budget: Debt Servicing To Gulp 31% Of National Budget by Simeonjoe1: 9:44pm On Oct 17, 2023 |
mrvitalis:You can't be 100% popular. Hell even the present president won the vote of 3% of the population. That your 4 years you no go see better money. This like this requires longer years to meet effective compliance. |
| Re: 2024 Budget: Debt Servicing To Gulp 31% Of National Budget by BeauBragnar11: 10:53pm On Oct 17, 2023 |
Simeonjoe1:For God's sake, are the poor going to die for this country?? All what he listed there are nothing but taxation on the already overburdened tax payers!!! There's nothing strategically targeted at the elite in what he put up there!!!...What sacrifices are the elite even making to achieve our desired Nigeria?? Their remuneration, bogus allowances are still intact!!!..It's always the masses who are to make sacrifices!! We are already one of the most taxed people on earth for Christ sake. Is expanding the tax base the only means of revenue generation?? No innovation!!! Just tax, tax, tax!!!! Guy no vex me oooo!!! |
| Re: 2024 Budget: Debt Servicing To Gulp 31% Of National Budget by ConquerorK: 12:25am On Oct 18, 2023 |
Again go and verify, there is tax but see how well they're doing despite being a first world country Now look at Nigeria, see how dumb things will play out if it was implemented mrvitalis: |
| Re: 2024 Budget: Debt Servicing To Gulp 31% Of National Budget by mrvitalis(m): 5:36am On Oct 18, 2023 |
ConquerorK:What tax from our revenue average Nigerian pay less than 5000 a year on tax How much tax have you paid this year Nigerians get far more value for the tax they pay compared to most European countries |
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the oyinbo were shock by the people reaction even though the policy na for public good. Sharp sharp dey gat stop am to avoid riot.