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Raskimonojendor:
Are you insinuating Zik to be a northerner? if not, ibos are also quick to equate Awolowo to Yorubas.

Well, Awolowo was totally Yoruba, as Bello was totally Northerner. I honestly dont think at the time Zik considered himself primarily Igbo, neither did Nigerians view him as such. Let's not forget he spoke all three languages and grew up in the North.

As you can see from below, he was always trying to downplay differences of the tribes

Sharpsharp00123:
but do u know that an igbo person was even d vc of university of Ibadan then n igbos were occupying every top position in Yoruba land?

Will u igbos allow a non igbo to b d governor of anambra?

Abeg answer that question with all sincerity

😅He keeps trying to ascertain my tribe. Keep trying.
Zik at the time did not view himself as primarily Igbo, neither did Nigerians view him as such - except people like Awo!

PoliteActivist:
😅He keeps trying to ascertain my tribe. Keep trying.
Zik at the time did not view himself as primarily Igbo, neither did Nigerians view him as such - except people like Awo!

ok I agree with u on zik

Now answer my question

Can u igbos allow a Fulani man become a governor of anambra?


Please don run away, answer this question

I thought there is a rule against ethnic insult in this forum.

Sharpsharp00123:
ok I agree with u on zik

Now answer my question

Can u igbos allow a Fulani man become a governor of anambra?


Please don run away, answer this question

That's the whole point - people like you and Awolowo find it hard to believe there are people who don't think in terms of tribe. Initially Nigerians focused on party, not tribe, until people like Awo introduced tribalism - which is why he is regarded father of tribalism in Nigerian politics - by every tribe!
If NCNC had nominated a Fulani man detribalised like Zik, he'd have been easily elected governor of East in a landslide

PoliteActivist:
Well, Awolowo was totally Yoruba, as Bello was totally Northerner. I honestly dont think at the time Zik considered himself primarily Igbo, neither did Nigerians view him as such. Let's not forget he spoke all three languages and grew up in the North.

As you can see from below, he was always trying to downplay differences of the tribes

but when he lost, he went to the east to overthrow Eyo ita Giwa to become the eastern leader.
I will suggest you wind down this manipulative political machinery; it brings you more ethnic stereotypes than goodwill. It is 2023; people are awake, conscious, and more informed of your manipulative politics than ever.

obawinner:
but when he lost, he went to the east to overthrow Eyo ita Giwa to become the eastern leader.
I will suggest you wind down this manipulative political machinery; it brings you more ethnic stereotypes than goodwill. It is 2023; people are awake, conscious, and more informed of your manipulative politics than ever.

Exactly - it is 2023 and people are much more tribalised, thanks to what Awo started. But back then Nigerian politics was like US. The dominant thing was party affiliation NOT ethnicity. I know it's hard to believe, looking at the climate of today!

PoliteActivist:
That's the whole point - people like you and Awolowo find it hard to believe there are people who don't think in terms of tribe. Initially Nigerians focused on party, not tribe, until people like Awo introduced tribalism - which is why he is regarded father of tribalism in Nigerian politics - by every tribe!
If NCNC had nominated a Fulani man detribalised like Zik, he'd have been easily elected governor of East in a landslide

oga answer d question

Can u igbos allow a Fulani b a governor in anambra?

Yes or no

PoliteActivist:
Exactly - it is 2023 and people are much more tribalised, thanks to what Awo started. But back then Nigerian politics was like US. The dominant thing was party affiliation NOT ethnicity. I know it's hard to believe, looking at the climate of today!

Azikiwe was not truthful in his recollection of archived Nigerian history, which is why you opined Awo started being conservative. The cracks were evident; all the other geozones were advocating self-determination. Nigerian politics has never been like US politics since amalgamation. Stop making this mistake, haven't you learned enough? Zik admittedly should have been fighting for the people he advocated for and not selfishly going on voyages of no return in contesting elections outside his region.

Things Zik/bello/awo saw in 1949, we still see in 2023: he was an ethnic leader fighting ethnic interests through falsified propanganda (like we saw during the election), but he fretted and panicked with a lot of fears of what might be if Northerners succeeded in seceding or if the West were politically united.
Truly, Azikiwe was an idealist. Nigeria will never ever be ready for his far-seeing ideas. I kind of feel bad for the man as his ideas put us in this mess we find ourselves. He wanted Nigeria to be great through his ethnic lens.

Everyone has learned lessons, and some have smartly applied reality to their stakes in Nigeria. Some won't, so they keep pointing fingers of betrayals.

This is why in local parlance in Nigeria, out of annoyance, you will hear people say "na crase dey worry you!"

This same behaviour, reasoning, you displaying here is exactly how and what founding fathers were displaying back in 1960 right after Independence.

When India got theirs 1947, they splitting immediately to prevent this characters you are displaying here in 2023.

The same mutual suspicion founding fathers were doing, that's exactly what you are doing here. Like fathers like sons.

Sharpsharp00123:
oga answer d question

Can u igbos allow a Fulani b a governor in anambra?

Yes or no

I already answered the question. If NCNC had nominated a Fulani man detribalised like Zik, he'd have been easily elected governor of East in a landslide. Also, military can appoint anybody and you must allow it wether you likevit or not!

obawinner:
Azikiwe was not truthful in his recollection of archived Nigerian history, which is why you opined Awo started being conservative. The cracks were evident; all the other geozones were advocating self-determination. Nigerian politics has never been like US politics since amalgamation. Stop making this mistake, haven't you learned enough? Zik admittedly should have been fighting for the people he advocated for and not selfishly going on voyages of no return in contesting elections outside his region.

Things Zik/bello/awo saw in 1949, we still see in 2023: he was an ethnic leader fighting ethnic interests through falsified propanganda (like we saw during the election), but he fretted and panicked with a lot of fears of what might be if Northerners succeeded in seceding or if the West were politically united.
Truly, Azikiwe was an idealist. Nigeria will never ever be ready for his far-seeing ideas. I kind of feel bad for the man as his ideas put us in this mess we find ourselves. He wanted Nigeria to be great through his ethnic lens.

Everyone has learned lessons, and some have smartly applied reality to their stakes in Nigeria. Some won't, so they keep pointing fingers of betrayals.

That's your biased opinion. Here are what those not biased have to say:

obawinner:
but when he lost, he went to the east to overthrow Eyo ita Giwa to become the eastern leader.
I will suggest you wind down this manipulative political machinery; it brings you more ethnic stereotypes than goodwill. It is 2023; people are awake, conscious, and more informed of your manipulative politics than ever.

. Make una take am easy to dey lie. Zik never removed Eyo Ita. This was what happened, politicians like Mbadiwe, ojike and Eyo Ita wanted to have Zik removed as NNC leader at that point Mbadiwe put himself up to replace Zik, now the NCNC members in the assembly needed to declare vote of no confidence and Zik will be removed, but they didn’t and as such Zik asked for the members behind the plot to apologize and affirm loyalty to the present leadership of NCNC or they will be removed. Ita and his group refused and they were fired. Eyo Ita was never a leader make una take am easy to lie.

Sharpsharp00123:
oga answer d question

Can u igbos allow a Fulani b a governor in anambra?

Yes or no

As of that time umaru altine, a Fulani from sokoto, was then elected to be mayor of enugu

obyno82:
. Make una take am easy to dey lie. Zik never removed Eyo Ita. This was what happened, politicians like Mbadiwe, ojike and Eyo Ita wanted to have Zik removed as NNC leader at that point Mbadiwe put himself up to replace Zik, now the NCNC members in the assembly needed to declare vote of no confidence and Zik will be removed, but they didn’t and as such Zik asked for the members behind the plot to apologize and affirm loyalty to the present leadership of NCNC or they will be removed. Ita and his group refused and they were fired. Eyo Ita was never a leader make una take am easy to lie.

Thanks for educating them. So many half-truths and outright lies!

jude79:
As of that time umaru altine, a Fulani from sokoto, was then elected to be mayor of enugu

was it democracy or military?

Sharpsharp00123:
was it democracy or military?

jude79:
As of that time umaru altine, a Fulani from sokoto, was then elected to be mayor of enugu

And he's still asking questions!😅
Thanks for educating him

Why do you guys always exaggerate the position of community head of Fulani in Enugu to modern day mayor?

Do you include the fact that you burned his house and his whole family had to flee to the North?

Each time Nigerians challenge Igbo why they would not tolerate any other Nigerians at home, they come up with Alstine in the 19th century.

These clanish people will not even tolerate fellow Igbo from neighboring villages around them.

jude79:
As of that time umaru altine, a Fulani from sokoto, was then elected to be mayor of enugu

obyno82:
. Make una take am easy to dey lie. Zik never removed Eyo Ita. This was what happened, politicians like Mbadiwe, ojike and Eyo Ita wanted to have Zik removed as NNC leader at that point Mbadiwe put himself up to replace Zik, now the NCNC members in the assembly needed to declare vote of no confidence and Zik will be removed, but they didn’t and as such Zik asked for the members behind the plot to apologize and affirm loyalty to the present leadership of NCNC or they will be removed. Ita and his group refused and they were fired. Eyo Ita was never a leader make una take am easy to lie.

Lol, There is the Richard Constitution that led to the fiasco; there are also actual audiovisual recordings available too. but, it is not my SW region and not my purview to be concerned. I wish you the best!

banku:
Why do you guys always exaggerate the position of community head of Fulani in Enugu to modern day mayor?

Do you include the fact that you burned his house and his whole family had to fled to the North?

Each time Nigerians challenge Igbo why they would not tolerate any other Nigerians at home, they come up with Alstine in the 19th century.

These clanish people will not even tolerate fellow Igbo from neighboring villages around them.

1) both altine, zik, awolowo, tafalawa belewa, all practiced their politics during 20th century, if altine wasn't a mayor of enugu say so, iif you really want to know who brought tribalism to Nigerian politics, just google it, and the answer will stare you in the face, telling history from your own myopic perspective will not cut it, qed

Umaru Altine’s feats, could have been unattainable, but for the encouragement and supports of Dr Nnamdi Azikiwe, leader of the NCNC- a consummate politician, cosmopolitan, urbane and pan Nigerian.

Azikiwe wanted to use Altine’s story, or entry into Enugu politics, to teach a lesson and tell a story of a Nigeria, that could only grow and prominently too, without ethnic, religious or tribal divides, awolowo was too locally minded to understand it, these ideological differences battled for a long time until awolowo's ideology won, and Nigeria crashed as a nation
Inspite of your ethnic bile against iboes, mid West and old east Central state in general, facts are facts, you can't change nor manufacture what never existed.

obawinner:
Lol, There is the Richard Constitution that led to the fiasco; there are also actual audiovisual recordings available too. but, it is not my SW region and not my purview to be concerned. I wish you the best!

Dude stop all these lies abeg. This revision of history is really annoying.

obawinner:
but when he lost, he went to the east to overthrow Eyo ita Giwa to become the eastern leader.
I will suggest you wind down this manipulative political machinery; it brings you more ethnic stereotypes than goodwill. It is 2023; people are awake, conscious, and more informed of your manipulative politics than ever.

God bless u

Sharpsharp00123:
God bless u

God bless you what? This forum is soo full of ignorance, makes you wanna give up. Someone who doesn't know the difference between Eyo Ita and Ita Giwa, former wife of Dele Giwa!
obawinner educate yourself below

jude79:
1) both altine, zik, awolowo, tafalawa belewa, all practiced their politics during 20th century, if altine wasn't a mayor of enugu say so, iif you really want to know who brought tribalism to Nigerian politics, just google it, and the answer will stare you in the face, telling history from your own myopic perspective will not cut it, qed

Umaru Altine’s feats, could have been unattainable, but for the encouragement and supports of Dr Nnamdi Azikiwe, leader of the NCNC- a consummate politician, cosmopolitan, urbane and pan Nigerian.

Azikiwe wanted to use Altine’s story, or entry into Enugu politics, to teach a lesson and tell a story of a Nigeria, that could only grow and prominently too, without ethnic, religious or tribal divides, awolowo was too locally minded to understand it, these ideological differences battled for a long time until awolowo's ideology won, and Nigeria crashed as a nation
Inspite of your ethnic bile against iboes, mid West and old east Central state in general, facts are facts, you can't change nor manufacture what never existed.

How the Igbo introduced tribalism to Nigerian Politics, By Femi Fani-Kayode
https://www.premiumtimesng.com/opinion/105036-how-the-igbo-introduced-tribalism-to-nigerian-politics-by-femi-fani-kayode.html?tztc=1

”It would appear that the God of Africa has created the Igbo nation to lead the children of Africa from the bondage of ages ….” – Dr Azikiwe, President of the Pan-Igbo Federal Union. (The West African Pilot of July 8, 1949).

How do you reconcile those words of Zik with the image of a detribalized Pan African you are trying to paint?