₦airaland Forum

BluntCrazeMan:
How exactly would the employers capitalize on that??

And again,, the capitalist employers would be paying like how much..??

CoronaVirusPro:
Employers will be rationing hours to cut cost. That is like a wide open avenue for them to cut cost since they wouldn't be mandated to guarantee 40 hours/week.

Couple with the unemployment rate in Nigeria, they will beat down rates and still get queues of people ready to take the job with unguaranteed work hours.

Crafteck1:
De play, its all on the ourchase power of consumers.

BluntCrazeMan:
Preamble:
During the 2023 campaign period, part of the things which Peter-Obi promised that he would do in order to increase the “productivity” of the government workers was to phase-out the “Monthly Salary” system, and introduce an “Hourly-Pay” system, where the hours of work by the workers are calculated and paid at the end of the agreed periods of payment.

He promised that there would also be flexibility of how the workers chose to be paid...
Either Weekly, Biweekly, or Monthly.

He envisaged that this system would make workers to have control over their works by knowing exactly what they are supposed to do, and do it.. Then they can clock-out at the first job in order to go to the next job where their expertise are also needed and clock-in.

There won't be any fear of paying double salary to anyone who works at more than one place at a time.


Basic “Hourly Pay Rates” are calculated and paid for 8 hours per day.
They are the payments which are taxed by the Government.
(Any other extra hours above the maximum 8-hours are counted separately and paid as overtime, with some additional added percentages to it)

Then, 5 days per week. (That is, the weekdays).
Works that were done on the weekdays are the ones that were taxed by the Government.
(For someone who had worked completely for 5 days in any week, any other extra days above the maximum 5-days are counted separately and paid as overtime, with some additional percentages to it. Nevertheless, if the person didn't work completely for 5 days within the weekdays, and he hoped to cover-up the days of work within the weekend, he doesn't get an overtime on the number of weekend days of work which are below 5 days in a week,, but those works which he did on the weekends would not be taxed)

Then, for those that are paid monthly, Each month consists of 4-weeks..
Thus, actually making it 13-months in a year..
(And not the 12 months we used to know)

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NOW, TO THE MAIN REASON FOR OPENING THIS THREAD:

The current minimum basic monthly pay in Nigeria is N30,000..
Which translates to N187.50 for each hour of work,, or N1,500 for each day at work, and N7,500 for each week.

The current minimum basic hourly pay rate in the United Kingdom (both for Government Workers and Private Workers) is £10 (ten-pounds)..
Which is about N11,000 in Nigeria - going by the CBN’s official rate for conversion..

I am not advocating for Nigerians to be paid up to N11,000 per hour of work in Nigeria.. To be frank, that amount is too high for the Nigerian economy to carey.. but at-least, something reasonable enough which our economy can actually carry at the moment.

LET US JUST SUGGEST WHAT WE THINK IS FEASIBLE AND OBTAINABLE..

What amount (in Naira) should be the “Minimum Basic Hourly Pay Rate” for the Nigerian Workers,, Both the Workers in the Government Establishments and those in Private Firms, including those who are employed by individual employers.

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My own personal Opinion...
I am suggesting any amount between N1,500 and N2,000... (Per Hour Ooo.. Not Per Day)
It is still too small compared to other countries, but it is actually what the economy can actually sustain for now, and at the same time, bring out the very best outputs in the workers..

(To put it into the contest we can understand:
N1,500 per hour means:
N12,000 per day.
N60,000 per week.
And N240,000 per month..
...
.
N2,000 per hour means:
N16,000 per day.
N80,000 per week.
And N320,000 per month..)


NOW, YOU CAN SUGGEST YOURS...

BluntCrazeMan:
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Anyone who suggests anything less than N1,000 is not actually aware of how big the Nigerian Economy truly is,, and how the human resources are being seriously bastardized..

The workers are being neglected..

And that's the resultant effect of what we have now at the moment.

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In Nigeria, in the informal building construction sector,, the daily pay for artisans is N10,000, while that of labourers is N6,000.

This translates to N1,250 and N750 per hour respectively -- for the artisan and the labourer.

So, why would the professionals be the ones to be paid far less than artisans and labourers??

CoronaVirusPro:
Employers will be rationing hours to cut cost. That is like a wide open avenue for them to cut cost since they wouldn't be mandated to guarantee 40 hours/week.

Couple with the unemployment rate in Nigeria, they will beat down rates and still get queues of people ready to take the job with unguaranteed work hours.

BluntCrazeMan:
Unless there are hours when the company is not being maximally productive,, then there are no need for workers to be at work at such times.

Because,, once a worker is at work, then the time of the worker must be counting.

Thus,, the hourly-Pay system is aimed at productivity and maximized use of time.

An employer wouldn't want any employee sitting idle, because every wasted hour is a huge loss to him.
Thus,, instead of having workers stay around at low-work hours, he better ration them.

And that's the fair and rational thing to do.

CoronaVirusPro:
That is my point. They will have the flexibility of rationing. For example, banks can use lesser staffs during off-peak hours, and double-up during peak hours. They will save more from a business perspective.

gbaskiboy:
Going by the way Nigerians are subjected to harsh treatment under their employers, going by the hourly rate they earn about N210 per hour.

Agboola321:
Truth is Nigeria can pay up to 11k per hour if it really wants to. What does UK have that we don't have? It's basically proper visionary leadership.

There's money in this country. The major issue is that we have extravagant leaders with very poor vision. Leaders who don't care about us. Leaders who at the slightest opportunity divide us amongst tribal and religious lines. Leaders who now use illiteracy and poverty as a weapon to keep enriching themselve.

Let the cost of governance alone be reduced and you'd see that there's money in this country.

5k per hour is a good start. Remember, increasing pay will surely increase productivity.

CoronaVirusPro:
That is my point. They will have the flexibility of rationing. For example, banks can use lesser staffs during off-peak hours, and double-up during peak hours. They will save more from a business perspective.

Cromagnon:
11k($20,000 per year) per hour is almost minimum wage in abroad.(about ($30,000)
Wbat is your gdp per capita($2,500)
Whats theirs ($70,000)
Think before you talk

BluntCrazeMan:
Preamble:
During the 2023 campaign period, part of the things which Peter-Obi promised that he would do in order to increase the “productivity” of the government workers was to phase-out the “Monthly Salary” system, and introduce an “Hourly-Pay” system, where the hours of work by the workers are calculated and paid at the end of the agreed periods of payment.

He promised that there would also be flexibility of how the workers chose to be paid...
Either Weekly, Biweekly, or Monthly.

He envisaged that this system would make workers to have control over their works by knowing exactly what they are supposed to do, and do it.. Then they can clock-out at the first job in order to go to the next job where their expertise are also needed and clock-in.

There won't be any fear of paying double salary to anyone who works at more than one place at a time.


Basic “Hourly Pay Rates” are calculated and paid for 8 hours per day.
They are the payments which are taxed by the Government.
(Any other extra hours above the maximum 8-hours are counted separately and paid as overtime, with some additional added percentages to it)

Then, 5 days per week. (That is, the weekdays).
Works that were done on the weekdays are the ones that were taxed by the Government.
(For someone who had worked completely for 5 days in any week, any other extra days above the maximum 5-days are counted separately and paid as overtime, with some additional percentages to it. Nevertheless, if the person didn't work completely for 5 days within the weekdays, and he hoped to cover-up the days of work within the weekend, he doesn't get an overtime on the number of weekend days of work which are below 5 days in a week,, but those works which he did on the weekends would not be taxed)

Then, for those that are paid monthly, Each month consists of 4-weeks..
Thus, actually making it 13-months in a year..
(And not the 12 months we used to know)

..
NOW, TO THE MAIN REASON FOR OPENING THIS THREAD:

The current minimum basic monthly pay in Nigeria is N30,000..
Which translates to N187.50 for each hour of work,, or N1,500 for each day at work, and N7,500 for each week.

The current minimum basic hourly pay rate in the United Kingdom (both for Government Workers and Private Workers) is £10 (ten-pounds)..
Which is about N11,000 in Nigeria - going by the CBN’s official rate for conversion..

I am not advocating for Nigerians to be paid up to N11,000 per hour of work in Nigeria.. To be frank, that amount is too high for the Nigerian economy to carey.. but at-least, something reasonable enough which our economy can actually carry at the moment.

LET US JUST SUGGEST WHAT WE THINK IS FEASIBLE AND OBTAINABLE..

What amount (in Naira) should be the “Minimum Basic Hourly Pay Rate” for the Nigerian Workers,, Both the Workers in the Government Establishments and those in Private Firms, including those who are employed by individual employers.

....
..
My own personal Opinion...
I am suggesting any amount between N1,500 and N2,000... (Per Hour Ooo.. Not Per Day)
It is still too small compared to other countries, but it is actually what the economy can actually sustain for now, and at the same time, bring out the very best outputs in the workers..

(To put it into the contest we can understand:
N1,500 per hour means:
N12,000 per day.
N60,000 per week.
And N240,000 per month..
...
.
N2,000 per hour means:
N16,000 per day.
N80,000 per week.
And N320,000 per month..)


NOW, YOU CAN SUGGEST YOURS...

modernWays:
That is why we may continue to be poor in this part of the world. Nigerians are truly educated illiterates. This is the same approach being use by our half baked leader since after civil war in 1970.

We don't need any increment of wage or salary but strong economy that will translate to strong naira. Have you ever ask yourself why £10 is big enough for an hour wage in UK, but amount to nothing in Nigeria?


The #2000 per hour you advocate today will definitely become worthless within 6 months, so what is the point of increasing it in the first place.

Nigeria need to fix her power sector to witness a prosperous economy. If we can get 24 hour uninterrupted power supply, our problem is half solved.

BluntCrazeMan:
Are you for real??
Masons earn about N1,250 per hour.
Mason-Servers earn about N750 per hour.


So tell me...
Why would professionals in the design-offices earn N210??

Are there good reasons?
Or abi you're just trying to joke?

BluntCrazeMan:
Only power right??

Ok..
Tinubu will do that soon

BluntCrazeMan:
So far any adjustments made do not hamper on the over-all productivity of the company..
Then, it's fair enough..


There are two extremes here..


Either to employ as many good staff as possible, and keep them working all round the clock FOR MAXIMUM PRODUCTIVITY.. (He might even employ persons or systems or technologies whose work is to monitor the workings and input activities of the workers.)

Or, to employ as minimum persons as possible in order to conveniently pay them well according to the number hours which they put in the work, even when there is room for more productivity when more persons are employed.

Now, it is up to the employer to decide whether to use the same minimum number of workers who would be working all round the clock -- even when their time-dependent productivity is beginning to drop due to fatigue and tiredness. Or fir him to be rotating amongst many workers..

With this,, the better option would be to have many many workers in a firm who work on shifts..
And the employer can comfortably pay all of them according to the hours of work they put in.

The number of works an employee does is dependent on the availability of jobs out there, and then, the ability of the employee to really cope without being affected by the fatigue and tiredness suffered from the first place of work.


IN NIGERIA,, THIS IS HIGHLY OBTAINABLE..

BluntCrazeMan:
He is an employer trying to do reverse psychology here..

So, nothing you say can convince him, because he doesn't want to see the discussion from both sides of the lens

BluntCrazeMan:
Preamble:
During the 2023 campaign period, part of the things which Peter-Obi promised that he would do in order to increase the “productivity” of the government workers was to phase-out the “Monthly Salary” system, and introduce an “Hourly-Pay” system, where the hours of work by the workers are calculated and paid at the end of the agreed periods of payment.

He promised that there would also be flexibility of how the workers chose to be paid...
Either Weekly, Biweekly, or Monthly.

He envisaged that this system would make workers to have control over their works by knowing exactly what they are supposed to do, and do it.. Then they can clock-out at the first job in order to go to the next job where their expertise are also needed and clock-in.

There won't be any fear of paying double salary to anyone who works at more than one place at a time.


Basic “Hourly Pay Rates” are calculated and paid for 8 hours per day.
They are the payments which are taxed by the Government.
(Any other extra hours above the maximum 8-hours are counted separately and paid as overtime, with some additional added percentages to it)

Then, 5 days per week. (That is, the weekdays).
Works that were done on the weekdays are the ones that were taxed by the Government.
(For someone who had worked completely for 5 days in any week, any other extra days above the maximum 5-days are counted separately and paid as overtime, with some additional percentages to it. Nevertheless, if the person didn't work completely for 5 days within the weekdays, and he hoped to cover-up the days of work within the weekend, he doesn't get an overtime on the number of weekend days of work which are below 5 days in a week,, but those works which he did on the weekends would not be taxed)

Then, for those that are paid monthly, Each month consists of 4-weeks..
Thus, actually making it 13-months in a year..
(And not the 12 months we used to know)

..
NOW, TO THE MAIN REASON FOR OPENING THIS THREAD:

The current minimum basic monthly pay in Nigeria is N30,000..
Which translates to N187.50 for each hour of work,, or N1,500 for each day at work, and N7,500 for each week.

The current minimum basic hourly pay rate in the United Kingdom (both for Government Workers and Private Workers) is £10 (ten-pounds)..
Which is about N11,000 in Nigeria - going by the CBN’s official rate for conversion..

I am not advocating for Nigerians to be paid up to N11,000 per hour of work in Nigeria.. To be frank, that amount is too high for the Nigerian economy to carey.. but at-least, something reasonable enough which our economy can actually carry at the moment.

LET US JUST SUGGEST WHAT WE THINK IS FEASIBLE AND OBTAINABLE..

What amount (in Naira) should be the “Minimum Basic Hourly Pay Rate” for the Nigerian Workers,, Both the Workers in the Government Establishments and those in Private Firms, including those who are employed by individual employers.

....
..
My own personal Opinion...
I am suggesting any amount between N1,500 and N2,000... (Per Hour Ooo.. Not Per Day)
It is still too small compared to other countries, but it is actually what the economy can actually sustain for now, and at the same time, bring out the very best outputs in the workers..

(To put it into the contest we can understand:
N1,500 per hour means:
N12,000 per day.
N60,000 per week.
And N240,000 per month.
...
.
N2,000 per hour means:
N16,000 per day.
N80,000 per week.
And N320,000 per month..)


NOW, YOU CAN SUGGEST YOURS...

Cromagnon:
what is the productivity of the Nigerian worker.
Does it make sense to pay 10 yams per gour when he only produces 1 yam per hour?

You can't pay ppl what you lime
You pat them what they produce less profit

CoronaVirusPro:
That is still my point.

Employers will have the flexibility to put people to work when they want. In times of less or no work, they will not be tied to any basic salary or whatsoever.

If you view it from the employees perspective, you will see it as a win, but if you also do same from the employers view, you will realize it's a win.

Can't you see majority of employers are into "Contract Staffing", and you proposing hourly wage to same people? Think about it....

BluntCrazeMan:
Ok..
That's good.

Please,, which State is that, where MASONS charge N2,500 to N4,000 per day??

And also..
Please I want to know how much the casual-workers are charging per-day in such State where Masons charge so low.
(by “casual workers”,, I mean bush-cutters, street-sweepers, trench-diggers e.t.c.)
They may be charging N1,000 per-day, or even N700 or N500 per day sef.

Vnn2868:
Currently, Mason within my area charges 7k and above while labourers charges 5k and above.
Formal workers are underpaid in Nigeria.
1k to 1.5k hourly should be the benchmark for both local, State and federal workers.

BluntCrazeMan:
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.
.
Anyone who suggests anything less than N1,000 is not actually aware of how big the Nigerian Economy truly is,, and how the human resources are being seriously bastardized..

The workers are being neglected..

And that's the resultant effect of what we have now at the moment.

.
.
In Nigeria, in the informal building construction sector,, the daily pay for artisans is N10,000, while that of labourers is N6,000.

This translates to N1,250 and N750 per hour respectively -- for the artisan and the labourer.

So, why would the professionals be the ones to be paid far less than artisans and labourers??

Tonytonex:
That's the abnormal thing in this country. It's not supposed to be like that.
I Hope this can be implemented. And acted on.

CoronaVirusPro:
That is still my point.

Can't you see majority of employers are into "Contract Staffing", and you proposing hourly wage to same people? Think about it....

philiancoop:
What is inflation and how does it come?

BluntCrazeMan:
Meanwhile...
The hourly-pay method would mean flexibility...

I guess you know that??

Flexibility on both the side of employers and employees..

The day-to-day conditions of work would be discussed very well in details..
And that is the only situation where the job-functions are well described even before the contract papers are signed.

CoronaVirusPro:
Hourly wage is a cost saving initiative for employers.

If the unemployment rate in Nigeria was minimal, one could be talking about people picking up second jobs, but where is the job.

BluntCrazeMan:
Hourly wage is also an avenue to employ many people.

So, let the Employers push for it, and save costs..
But let them employ more persons and pay them exactly what their times are worth..





Many people in Nigeria are employed into jobs they are not fitted for.
Do you also call that employment?

If “Maximizing Productivity” is the driving factor in the Nigerian employments, and not just “Maximizing Profits”, there won't be reason a company would be employing lowly-paid staff who are not fit for what they were employed for, and they do their works on their jobs in a very passive manner as time continues to pass, just for them to earn a wage.

Maximizing Profit would make an employer to hire people whom he would pay less, so that these people would do some minimum acceptable works for him.

Maximizing Productivity would make an employer to hire the best hands, make them comfortable in their places of work, and require their maximum inputs in the work.


Striking a good balance between these two extremes while considering all other external factors is what makes a good employer.