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AuthorMan:
Great points

Great points, especially on Egypt, but not so on the Palestinians, due to the never-ending misinformation that they rejected the two-state-solutiin (2SS). The devil in every deal is in the details...

The only Israeli PM who showed commitment to the 2SS was Yitzhak Rabin based on the 1993 Oslo Accord, and it was on that commitment that he got assassinated publicly by Yigal Amir, a jewish extremist in 1995.

The camp David Summit in the year 2000 came fairly close to creating a 2SS during Ehud Barak. It came crashing down when Barak warned the Americans that he could not accept giving the Palestinians more than a purely symbolic sovereignty over any part of East Jerusalem. In total, Israel demanded that Palestine's territory in East Jerusalem be reduced to eight sections including six small enclaves. Palestinians objected to the lack of sovereignty and to the right of Israel to keep Jewish neighbourhoods that it built over the Green Line in East Jerusalem.

The Israel also wanted to set up radar stations inside the Palestinian state, and be allowed to use its airspace. Israel also wanted the right to deploy troops on Palestinian territory in the event of an emergency, and the stationing of an international force in the Jordan Valley. Palestinian authorities would maintain control of border crossings under temporary Israeli observation. Israel would maintain a permanent security presence along the Palestinian-Jordanian border.

Israel also demanded that the Palestinian state be demilitarized with the exception of its paramilitary security forces, that it would not make alliances without Israeli approval or allow the introduction of foreign forces west of the Jordan River.

One of Israel's strongest demands was that Arafat declare the conflict over, and make no further demands. Israel also wanted water resources in the West Bank to be shared by both sides and remain under Israeli management. Israeli control of water resources in the new (almost) Palestinian state, along with de facto Israeli control over borders and the total demilitarisation of the Palestinian state basically guarantees that Palestine would be an Israeli state.

Robert Malley, part of the Clinton administration and present at the summit, wrote that Arafat was told that Israel would not only retain sovereignty over some Arab neighbourhoods of Jerusalem, but Haram Al Sharif too, and Arafat was also asked to accept a 9-to-1 ratio in land swaps.

Shlomo Ben-Ami, the then Israel's Minister of Foreign Relations who participated in the talks stated on Democracy now in 2006 that "Camp David was not the missed opportunity for the Palestinians, and if I were a Palestinian I would have rejected Camp David, as well.

The Palestinians compromised quite a bit. They started by asking for a state based on pre 1967 borders. The Israelis rejected that, so they asked for borders based on 1967. The Israelis also rejected that, so they asked for complete control over the West Bank and Gaza. The Israelis rejected that. And the same Palestinians are unjustly accused by people of rejecting the 2SS. (As recent as last week, Netanyahu publicly and boldly reiterated the Israel stance that the Palestinians shouldn't have a state, after Biden called for a 2SS).

These and more are all documented by even the Israeli media such as the Haretz and by many Israeli authors such as Uri Avnery, Dan Cohen, and Ilan Pappe, among others.

AuthorMan:
Great point but not hundred percent factuals.

Great points, especially on Egypt, but not so on the Palestinians, due to the never-ending misinformation that they rejected the two-state-solutiin (2SS). The devil in every deal is in the details...

The only Israeli PM who showed commitment to the 2SS was Yitzhak Rabin based on the 1993 Oslo Accord, and it was on that commitment that he got assassinated publicly by Yigal Amir, a jewish extremist in 1995.

The camp David Summit in the year 2000 came fairly close to creating a 2SS during Ehud Barak. It came crashing down when Barak warned the Americans that he could not accept giving the Palestinians more than a purely symbolic sovereignty over any part of East Jerusalem. In total, Israel demanded that Palestine's territory in East Jerusalem be reduced to eight sections including six small enclaves. Palestinians objected to the lack of sovereignty and to the right of Israel to keep Jewish neighbourhoods that it built over the Green Line in East Jerusalem.

The Israel also wanted to set up radar stations inside the Palestinian state, and be allowed to use its airspace. Israel also wanted the right to deploy troops on Palestinian territory in the event of an emergency, and the stationing of an international force in the Jordan Valley. Palestinian authorities would maintain control of border crossings under temporary Israeli observation. Israel would maintain a permanent security presence along the Palestinian-Jordanian border.

Israel also demanded that the Palestinian state be demilitarized with the exception of its paramilitary security forces, that it would not make alliances without Israeli approval or allow the introduction of foreign forces west of the Jordan River.

One of Israel's strongest demands was that Arafat declare the conflict over, and make no further demands. Israel also wanted water resources in the West Bank to be shared by both sides and remain under Israeli management. Israeli control of water resources in the new (almost) Palestinian state, along with de facto Israeli control over borders and the total demilitarisation of the Palestinian state basically guarantees that Palestine would be an Israeli state.

Robert Malley, part of the Clinton administration and present at the summit, wrote that Arafat was told that Israel would not only retain sovereignty over some Arab neighbourhoods of Jerusalem, but Haram Al Sharif too, and Arafat was also asked to accept a 9-to-1 ratio in land swaps.

Shlomo Ben-Ami, the then Israel's Minister of Foreign Relations who participated in the talks stated on Democracy now in 2006 that "Camp David was not the missed opportunity for the Palestinians, and if I were a Palestinian I would have rejected Camp David, as well.

The Palestinians compromised quite a bit. They started by asking for a state based on pre 1967 borders. The Israelis rejected that, so they asked for borders based on 1967. The Israelis also rejected that, so they asked for complete control over the West Bank and Gaza. The Israelis rejected that. And the same Palestinians are unjustly accused by people of rejecting the 2SS. (As recent as last week, Netanyahu publicly and boldly reiterated the Israel stance that the Palestinians shouldn't have a state, after Biden called for a 2SS).

These and more are all documented by even the Israeli media such as the Haretz and by many Israeli authors such as Uri Avnery, Dan Cohen, and Ilan Pappe, among others.

This is what we expect from the US,UK, FRANCE, CANADA and all Europe. Let see how they will be feeding their terrorists.
South Africa can as well start donating to the UN.

Cheap blackmail that can't pressure the UN and its agencies from upholding popular opinion

Mr man go and read and stop spamming my mentions. What exactly are their troops doing is Iraq and Syria ?

11doubledee:
Which resources OGA?
The oil they buy from Saudi Arabia is it free?
Please educate us ,so we can confirm.
Stealing resources, stealing resources....
That's how you spread falsehood
Some would even mention stealing resources from Afghanistan, YEMEN, even GAZA
I can't help but laugh
If you talk about stealing resources,just go to the eastern/northern part of the country and see how the Chinese is exploiting us first hand.

FiftyFifty:
Great points, especially on Egypt, but not so on the Palestinians, due to the never-ending misinformation that they rejected the two-state-solutiin (2SS). The devil in every deal is in the details...

The only Israeli PM who showed commitment to the 2SS was Yitzhak Rabin based on the 1993 Oslo Accord, and it was on that commitment that he got assassinated publicly by Yigal Amir, a jewish extremist in 1995.

The camp David Summit in the year 2000 came fairly close to creating a 2SS during Ehud Barak. It came crashing down when Barak warned the Americans that he could not accept giving the Palestinians more than a purely symbolic sovereignty over any part of East Jerusalem. In total, Israel demanded that Palestine's territory in East Jerusalem be reduced to eight sections including six small enclaves. Palestinians objected to the lack of sovereignty and to the right of Israel to keep Jewish neighbourhoods that it built over the Green Line in East Jerusalem.

The Israel also wanted to set up radar stations inside the Palestinian state, and be allowed to use its airspace. Israel also wanted the right to deploy troops on Palestinian territory in the event of an emergency, and the stationing of an international force in the Jordan Valley. Palestinian authorities would maintain control of border crossings under temporary Israeli observation. Israel would maintain a permanent security presence along the Palestinian-Jordanian border.

Israel also demanded that the Palestinian state be demilitarized with the exception of its paramilitary security forces, that it would not make alliances without Israeli approval or allow the introduction of foreign forces west of the Jordan River.

One of Israel's strongest demands was that Arafat declare the conflict over, and make no further demands. Israel also wanted water resources in the West Bank to be shared by both sides and remain under Israeli management. Israeli control of water resources in the new (almost) Palestinian state, along with de facto Israeli control over borders and the total demilitarisation of the Palestinian state basically guarantees that Palestine would be an Israeli state.

Robert Malley, part of the Clinton administration and present at the summit, wrote that Arafat was told that Israel would not only retain sovereignty over some Arab neighbourhoods of Jerusalem, but Haram Al Sharif too, and Arafat was also asked to accept a 9-to-1 ratio in land swaps.

Shlomo Ben-Ami, the then Israel's Minister of Foreign Relations who participated in the talks stated on Democracy now in 2006 that "Camp David was not the missed opportunity for the Palestinians, and if I were a Palestinian I would have rejected Camp David, as well.

The Palestinians compromised quite a bit. They started by asking for a state based on pre 1967 borders. The Israelis rejected that, so they asked for borders based on 1967. The Israelis also rejected that, so they asked for complete control over the West Bank and Gaza. The Israelis rejected that. And the same Palestinians are unjustly accused by people of rejecting the 2SS. (As recent as last week, Netanyahu publicly and boldly reiterated the Israel stance that the Palestinians shouldn't have a state, after Biden called for a 2SS).

These and more are all documented by even the Israeli media such as the Haretz and by many Israeli authors such as Uri Avnery, Dan Cohen, and Ilan Pappe, among others.

I love your detailed explanation

SaLongs1:
I still can't believe you are still serious!

🤣🤣

adebowales:
this is 2024, despite how strong israel soldiers are, with their indiscriminate bombing of civilians including the babies,woman and elderly people still can’t defeat hamas in 3 months. It’s a shame

This is because Hamas is hiding away in their tunnels. They should come out and fight like real men.

AuthorMan:
Great point but not hundred percent factual.

Do you read history?
There was a time Israel agreed on a two state nation and the palestinians rejected it because hisbolah advised them not to accept.

You see, nations of the world was once occupied by a group of people or race. America belonged to the Red Indians.
Even the history of your village will have it that your great grand parents migrated from somewhere.
Another way people occupied lands in those days was through wars. And since that erra has passed, everyone has moved on living with the invaders peacefully.
Why are the Red Indians not fighting for their land till date. Today they are part of the great USA.

For Example, during the 1967 Arab/Israeli war. Israel conquered lots of land from the Arab nations that waged war on her and part of those lands was the Sinai Peninsula.
Sinai Peninsula belonged to Egypt but it became Israel's after the war. In 1979 Egypt approached Israel to relinquish the captured land. (1967-1979)
Peacefully, they both reached and agreement. They signed a treaty and became friends. The following year, 1980, Israel gave back the Sinai peninsula to Egypt.
Since that time, Egypt and Israel are friends.

What am I driving at?

War and terrorism can't solve any problem. If Egypt did not handle the issue peacefully and wiselly they could still be fighting for the land till date.

I enjoyed your submission, issue and event based.
Let's now exchange views,
I agree with your submission and let me state that, I hate the unnecessary waste of human life, I do not really care before but as a father and parent, I could imagine what the Israeli and Palestinian civilians who had lost families Children and aged to this conflict that has refused to die for decades because both sides refuses to compromise and embrace justice.

Yes, they were both offered and agreed to 2 states solution, an agreement brokered by the UN and a border was demarcated for the two parties. But the Israelis did not halt the settlement expansion while the Palestinians rejected the two states solution initially believing they could get all their former Palestinians territories back as well, but this was long before Hezbollah was created in 1982, so it wasn't Hezbollah that advised the Palestinians.
But then, the Palestinians position should not stop the Israelis from working on the two states solution, cos Israel herself took lands beyond the UN recommended boundaries, so Israel as well did not commit to the 2 states solution. Cos if she did, she would not occupy West Bank and have military 🪖🎖️ presence in Gaza and the world would be pointing accusing fingers to Palestine alone now.

Yes, the history of the world is dominated by settlers violence against the aborigines, and these were majorly committed by the the whites settlers, the Europeans. They did it in Americas, notably the USA, Australia, South Africa, and the present case under discussion. These occupation and settlers domination of indigenous peoples does not justify or offer any justification for the cruelty, murders and deprivation they met upon the aborigines and siezing their lands.

Check the American history very well, Red indians fought the settlers for decades but because of the superior war technology of the European settlers, they withdraw into the wilderness away from the settler towns and population. Over the years, they integrated, the integration was only possible because the Red Indians population has been decimated greatly by European settlers, so they dont matter much and they were not having their villages enclosed by wired fences or under siege, so they could farm the lands and do trades etc. If you are a fan of Hollywood, many wild wild west movies told the stories of Red Indians resistance to European settlers violence and many historical research covers that too. And the reason they are not fighting till date is cos they are allowed to integrate.

Israel does not want the integration of Palestinians in the Israeli Occupied territories, they want a pure undiluted Jewish state, and a total take over of the "biblical Israeli lands". So, why not allow the Palestinians have theirs? Where do we expect the Palestinians to go if the Israelis keep expanding and there no policy of Palestinian integration?

The Egyptian and Israeli diplomatic settlement over Sinai is commendable and smart move on the part of Israeli diplomats to silence Egypt for a long while in the region. The same thing is going on with Saudi Arabia and Israel , why can't we have same level of compromise over Palestine? Why does the settlements keep expanding in the West Bank? Why didn't the Israeli honor their own part of the 2 state agreement to really proof that the Palestinians leadership are the dare devils here?

All of these points still does not justify the death and kidnap of 1700 Israelis and about 28,000 palestinians, women, aged and children included on both sides.

As we have for years designated Hamas as a terror group, we don't expect much accountability from them, but for a State like Israel with membership in UN killing almost 30,000 people and destroying such no of civilian settlements including schools and hospitals through shellings and bombings....
They are just as culpable as Hamas terror group, infact their terror capabilities dwarfs that of Hamas terror group a 100 times over.
It is only when they resorted to violence that we listen to them and remember they are under oppression, before October 7, we all have forgotten the Palestinians but as soon as something happened to our beloved Israel, we kick shout and mourn, cos they are the ones that matter to us, our double standards smells terrible.

11doubledee:
To be realistic borders will always be a contentious issue because history did not start in 1914 or 1948.
As we all know Judaism is far older than Christianity let alone Islam,Abraham (Ibrahim) is the Father of all but most likely a Jew.
Wars, enslavement, famine, antisemitism may have displaced the Jews over time that doesn't mean they never owned a land in the middle east.
Moving forward concessions have to be made because I don't see how violence solve anything now or in future

Yes, compromise on both sides has to be made for lasting peace. And border will forever be an issue amongst states, but for one state in dispute with another people to have so much authority and control over them, a people they are disputing lands with is injustice. Israel should not have control over the Palestinian side, a neutral state should or the UN.

Everything that caused the Jewish displacement and exile was never caused by the Palestinians, so why should they bear the consequences?

It sure doesn't mean they don't have a place origin and at the same time does not mean the Palestinians should be decimated, exterminated, exiled or made stateless and homeless for their resettlement.

Well, both sides applies violence and it's disproportionately affects one side that the other. It does not solve the problems and the longer the problem is left unsolved the more difficult it becomes.

SaLongs1:
If you think the Jews will ever succumb to the kind of force that the Roman Empire used in dispersing them before these crop of Arabs came to settle and claim it then you are sadly out of touch with reality. Islam is generally their problem which encourages unsustainable birthrates with the resultant conflicts and clashes that prevents them from utilising their own portion to farm and produce food. Stop blaming others for a conflict inducing ideology.

The last time I checked it's Israel that has delivered the magnitude violence and force you are describing.

So, religion and the children that people give birth to is the problem now, not the territories or land? May be we should just wipe off that religion and their followers including the children they gave birth to right? So far the world does not like them, it wont amount to genocide at least the Israelis have started it for us in Gaza, we can help them finish it off. An atomic bomb will be helpful.

Idaytesj29:
The last time I checked it's Israel that has delivered the magnitude violence and force you are describing.

So, religion and the children that people give birth to is the problem now, not the territories or land? May be we should just wipe off that religion and their followers including the children they gave birth to right? So far the world does not like them, it wont amount to genocide at least the Israelis have started it for us in Gaza, we can help them finish it off. An atomic bomb will be helpful.

Stay blessed for suggesting something useful as per the atomic option it took such an act to crumble the ideology that made the Japanese one of the feared terrorists peoples of their time.

madridguy:
Mr man go and read and stop spamming my mentions. What exactly are their troops doing is Iraq and Syria ?

It's not enough to just read MR MAN, comprehension is key.
So to you having military bases amounts to stealing resources just like they doing in Qatar too?
It is well.
Nobody is spamming you, it's wrong to make baseless assertions and spread falsehood.

Idaytesj29:
Yes, compromise on both sides has to be made for lasting peace. And border will forever be an issue amongst states, but for one state in dispute with another people to have so much authority and control over them, a people they are disputing lands with is injustice. Israel should not have control over the Palestinian side, a neutral state should or the UN.

Everything that caused the Jewish displacement and exile was never caused by the Palestinians, so why should they bear the consequences?

It sure doesn't mean they don't have a place origin and at the same time does not mean the Palestinians should be decimated, exterminated, exiled or made stateless and homeless for their resettlement.

Well, both sides applies violence and it's disproportionately affects one side that the other. It does not solve the problems and the longer the problem is left unsolved the more difficult it becomes.

I quite agree with you.

Go and read and have comprehension brother... The Iraqi government have told them to leave their land, same as Assad of Syria have told them they should pack their load and leave... So what exactly are they doing rather than stealing their resources..

The Qatari government invited them so they can stay there as they want.

11doubledee:
It's not enough to just read MR MAN, comprehension is key.
So to you having military bases amounts to stealing resources just like they doing in Qatar too?
It is well.
Nobody is spamming you, it's wrong to make baseless assertions and spread falsehood.

11doubledee You can educate yourself now.

11doubledee You remember the gold bars stolen from Iraq?

madridguy:
Go and read and have comprehension brother... The Iraqi government have told them to leave their land, same as Assad of Syria have told them they should pack their load and leave... So what exactly are they doing rather than stealing their resources..

The Qatari government invited them so they can stay there as they want.

Well nice insight,mine is to verify the sources of the News (credible or not),if true , the circumstances surrounding such moves and most importantly the destination of it.
Before I draw my own conclusions.
Because I despise stealing and wickedness as well but for china or Russia to accuse the USA of stealing is laughable.
But Nice one though.

Brother, leave long story, nothing to verify again. US and her western allies mission is the middle East and Africa is simple, to steal and destroy.

11doubledee:
Well nice insight,mine is to verify the sources of the News (credible or not),if true , the circumstances surrounding such moves and most importantly the destination of it.
Before I draw my own conclusions.
Because I despise stealing and wickedness as well but for china or Russia to accuse the USA of stealing is laughable.
But Nice one though.

Botragelad:
Source:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/thehill.com/policy/international/4431333-us-halts-funds-unrwa-allegations-hamas-attack-israel/amp/

Axis powers angry about the ICJ ruling, have suspended funding to the UNRWA. I think given the suffering of just regular civilians this a cruel and cynical move. They created a prison camp where trade, industry, and economic independence is impossible for people.

a. USA
b. Canada
c. UK
d. Finland
e. Australia
f. Italy

Contrary to the uninformed money was not stolen by Hamas to build tunnels. In fact the tunnels to Egypt used for smuggling consumer goods is what finances Hamas which are a result of Gaza being under siege and isolation for decades. If you want to read on how it works, then I recommend an article by famed economic historian Adam Tooze'. Here is the piece. It is a result of the Gaza siege. He did a short podcast on it as well if you don't want to read the article.

themanderon:
This is because Hamas is hiding away in their tunnels. They should come out and fight like real men.

Hamas has been cooking IDF tanks all over Gaza! Howelse should REAL MEN fight? Only recently Hamas blew up buildings IDF was attempting to blow up with IDF inside
Thus sending about 30 IDF PERMANENTLY to hellfire I tot u can’t do dat from inside tunnel? Or how u see am?

Idaytesj29:
Yes, compromise on both sides has to be made for lasting peace. And border will forever be an issue amongst states, but for one state in dispute with another people to have so much authority and control over them, a people they are disputing lands with is injustice. Israel should not have control over the Palestinian side, a neutral state should or the UN.

Everything that caused the Jewish displacement and exile was never caused by the Palestinians, so why should they bear the consequences?

It sure doesn't mean they don't have a place origin and at the same time does not mean the Palestinians should be decimated, exterminated, exiled or made stateless and homeless for their resettlement.

Well, both sides applies violence and it's disproportionately affects one side that the other. It does not solve the problems and the longer the problem is left unsolved the more difficult it becomes.

U are missing out on something important. There was nothing like Jews in Palestine until the 1940s wen they immigrated to the place. There is nothing like Jews in the Bible! It was scripted into the Bible by European translators. And it’s purpose is to further the greatest identity theft of the 21st century playing out b4 our eyes. The Jews are Europeans of Mongol origin. They are proselytes to Judaeaism, the religion formerly predominant in Palestine b4 the complete Islamization of the area for 700yrs of Islamic reign. Jews have no connection to Palestine in any way, shade or form. They are colonialists, planted in Palestine by Britain and America

Krismas:
U are missing out on something important. There was nothing like Jews in Palestine until the 1940s wen they immigrated to the place. There is nothing like Jews in the Bible! It was scripted into the Bible by European translators. And it’s purpose is to further the greatest identity theft of the 21st century playing out b4 our eyes. The Jews are Europeans of Mongol origin. They are proselytes to Judaeaism, the religion formerly predominant in Palestine b4 the complete Islamization of the area for 700yrs of Islamic reign. Jews have no connection to Palestine in any way, shade or form. They are colonialists, planted in Palestine by Britain and America

Thanks for the addition, it's true that prior to 1940, Palestine had no significant Jewish population. It was the unjustly Balfour Declaration that brought them in after which they started the implementation of the extreme Zionist supremacist ideology.

Idaytesj29:
I enjoyed your submission, issue and event based.
Let's now exchange views,
I agree with your submission and let me state that, I hate the unnecessary waste of human life, I do not really care before but as a father and parent, I could imagine what the Israeli and Palestinian civilians who had lost families Children and aged to this conflict that has refused to die for decades because both sides refuses to compromise and embrace justice.

Yes, they were both offered and agreed to 2 states solution, an agreement brokered by the UN and a border was demarcated for the two parties. But the Israelis did not halt the settlement expansion while the Palestinians rejected the two states solution initially believing they could get all their former Palestinians territories back as well, but this was long before Hezbollah was created in 1982, so it wasn't Hezbollah that advised the Palestinians.
But then, the Palestinians position should not stop the Israelis from working on the two states solution, cos Israel herself took lands beyond the UN recommended boundaries, so Israel as well did not commit to the 2 states solution. Cos if she did, she would not occupy West Bank and have military 🪖🎖️ presence in Gaza and the world would be pointing accusing fingers to Palestine alone now.

Yes, the history of the world is dominated by settlers violence against the aborigines, and these were majorly committed by the the whites settlers, the Europeans. They did it in Americas, notably the USA, Australia, South Africa, and the present case under discussion. These occupation and settlers domination of indigenous peoples does not justify or offer any justification for the cruelty, murders and deprivation they met upon the aborigines and siezing their lands.

Check the American history very well, Red indians fought the settlers for decades but because of the superior war technology of the European settlers, they withdraw into the wilderness away from the settler towns and population. Over the years, they integrated, the integration was only possible because the Red Indians population has been decimated greatly by European settlers, so they dont matter much and they were not having their villages enclosed by wired fences or under siege, so they could farm the lands and do trades etc. If you are a fan of Hollywood, many wild wild west movies told the stories of Red Indians resistance to European settlers violence and many historical research covers that too. And the reason they are not fighting till date is cos they are allowed to integrate.

Israel does not want the integration of Palestinians in the Israeli Occupied territories, they want a pure undiluted Jewish state, and a total take over of the "biblical Israeli lands". So, why not allow the Palestinians have theirs? Where do we expect the Palestinians to go if the Israelis keep expanding and there no policy of Palestinian integration?

The Egyptian and Israeli diplomatic settlement over Sinai is commendable and smart move on the part of Israeli diplomats to silence Egypt for a long while in the region. The same thing is going on with Saudi Arabia and Israel , why can't we have same level of compromise over Palestine? Why does the settlements keep expanding in the West Bank? Why didn't the Israeli honor their own part of the 2 state agreement to really proof that the Palestinians leadership are the dare devils here?

All of these points still does not justify the death and kidnap of 1700 Israelis and about 28,000 palestinians, women, aged and children included on both sides.

As we have for years designated Hamas as a terror group, we don't expect much accountability from them, but for a State like Israel with membership in UN killing almost 30,000 people and destroying such no of civilian settlements including schools and hospitals through shellings and bombings....
They are just as culpable as Hamas terror group, infact their terror capabilities dwarfs that of Hamas terror group a 100 times over.
It is only when they resorted to violence that we listen to them and remember they are under oppression, before October 7, we all have forgotten the Palestinians but as soon as something happened to our beloved Israel, we kick shout and mourn, cos they are the ones that matter to us, our double standards smells terrible.

I love your analysis.

I should have responded instantly now but let me aquire more facts and dig more into history.

Meanwhile, what I believe is, Israel expanded during the several wars her neighbors waged on her. Like in 1967 they expanded on all sides.
It is a fact known throughout the ages that the victor in a war owns the conquered lands and the inhabitants except if she wishes to relinquish it.
This is why one should think twice before starting a war.

Israel never wanted to go to war after the United Nations gave them their new land, the countries around them brought war to them. And when they fought it and won, the lands conquered became theirs.

Anyways, I need to read more history.

I love your analysis anyways.

Happy Sunday

FiftyFifty:
Can Israel exist without the western - US to be precise- aid? $105 billion... for last year alone. Can Israel start this agression without the US support? The whole world has witnessed how Netanyahu frantically call Biden and other western allies to come to their aid on October the 7th.

If countries are coming to the aid of Israel it is simply because they have goodwill.

Remind us again why even the muslims are avoiding Palestine like the black plague.

AuthorMan:
I love your analysis.

I should have responded instantly now but let me aquire more facts and dig more into history.

Meanwhile, what I believe is, Israel expanded during the several wars her neighbors waged on her. Like in 1967 they expanded on all sides.
It is a fact known throughout the ages that the victor in a war owns the conquered lands and the inhabitants except if she wishes to relinquish it.
This is why one should think twice before starting a war.

Israel never wanted to go to war after the United Nations gave them their new land, the countries around them brought war to them. And when they fought it and won, the lands conquered became theirs.

Anyways, I need to read more history.

I love your analysis anyways.

Happy Sunday

Happy Sunday to you to my brother, you are an intelligent 🧠 person and emotionally balanced. I enjoyed your broad intelligent analysis as well

themanderon:
This is because Hamas is hiding away in their tunnels. They should come out and fight like real men.

when both side are equally armed with almost the same weapons, they would definitely come out. They deserve praise for the blow they have dealt to IDF soldiers despite not having any form of air defense, no tank or Air Force and still able to inflict casualties on the idf side

CoronaVirusPro:
Fvck Israel!

Fvck the United States of America!

hope u remember Saudi Arabia has lifted ban on alcohol. What will you do now

FiftyFifty:
Stop running confusedly like a headless chicken, tell Netanyahu to obey the ICJ ruling first. The world is watching how the castle of lies Israel build for decades is finally crumbling.

I can see u supported those involved in this attack.

Edusouls:
All these are propaganda to justify the genocide going on in isreal, USA don wash finish Iike black jeans

the word propaganda has become Muslim common grammar on nairaland now. We will never see u people condemning terrorism. Truth is far from you people

olayinka63:
Despite all the noise, Israel has not been able to finish Hamas going to 6 months now. Let's assume both Hamas and Israel were given a level playing field, Israel won't be able to contain them. Israel has been receiving funding and military support and yet still continuing the fight.

I gues kids always talk like this.

FiftyFifty:
Can Israel exist without the western - US to be precise- aid? $105 billion... for last year alone. Can Israel start this agression without the US support? The whole world has witnessed how Netanyahu frantically call Biden and other western allies to come to their aid on October the 7th.

if not because of united state cautioning Isreal. Israel would have level the whole Palestine. Dat is what u don't know