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This una attack and defence argument just be like the argument of who came first between the egg and the fowl.

timbros:
Did they outscore their opponents to come out of the group?

AFCON 2021, did Egypt outscore their opponents in 90 mins from Round 16 to final?

Did Egypt win the AFCON by not outscoring their opponent?

Did Senegal outscore their opponent or not to win the cup?

timbros:
Was the defence defending as expected?

Your answer is the post i tagged you and raumdeuter.

popizaino:
Man city who won the league in 2021 conceded 32 goals,Chelsea 4th position conceded 36 goals.
Difference = 4

That same man city scored a whopping 83 goals and Chelsea scored 58 goals.
Difference = 25goals .


Man city also won the league in 2022 conceded 26 goals but scored 99 goals,Chelsea on the other hand 3rd position,conceded 33goals also scored an impressive 76 goals

Difference =7 and -23 goals.


Man city in 2023 also won the league and conceded 33 goals but scored 94 goals. Chelsea 12th position, conceded 47 goals but scored 38 goals.

Difference = 14 and 56 goals.



Except for last season were Chelsea were abysmally poor,having to play with 3 different coaches,you can see that Chelsea has never conceded in double digits more than city but city has always score more than Chelsea in double digit. Why is it so raumdeuter?

For someone like you who is always quick to tell us how pep guardiola always leads us in points with double digits, you shouldn't find this too difficult to answer why his attack always lead us in double digits as opposed to the defence.

You can as well call timbros and kim-breast to help you out.

@raumdeuter stop treating this post like the fart of proverbial leprose witch .

Emaprince:
Isn't it the guy from Leicester? Great defender my foot!

He is not on chelsea level.

fofana is good

raumdeuter:
Yes oh

By conceding 35 goals in 22 games 10th worst defence in the league

Why were not scoring 90+ plus goals when we were only conceding 36goals in a season?

Sportsweb:
Did Egypt win the AFCON by not outscoring their opponent?

Did Senegal outscore their opponent or not to win the cup?

Lol
There's a reason attack is the best form of defence because no matter how good your defense is
If your attack don't score you will play draw and I haven't seen anyone win titles by drawing all season
That's just 38 points

Even in cup competition you have to score in penalty shootout

iamoyindamola:
So Portugal didn't score all through the tournament to win the trophy
Make una they play with this nonsense defence win you title

iamoyindamola:
Lol
There's a reason attack is the best form of defence because no matter how good your defense is
If your attack don't score you will play draw and I haven't seen anyone win titles by drawing all season
That's just 38 points

Even in cup competition you have to score in penalty shootout

You took this out of my mouth.

iamoyindamola:
Lol
There's a reason attack is the best form of defence because no matter how good your defense is
If your attack don't score you will play draw and I haven't seen anyone win titles by drawing all season
That's just 38 points

Even in cup competition you have to score in penalty shootout

[color=royalblue]Scoring in penalty shootout is now under "Attack"?

The truth is defence wins your tournaments, while attack wins you leagues.

Nigeria has not scored up to 6 goals in the tournament, but they are in the Semis. Some teams made up that number in the group stages, but na house dem dey.

If you want to win a tournament, your defence has to be top notch.

You fit manage a bad attack till it gets to PK shootout. You cannot do the same for a bad defence. [/color]

izzou:
[color=royalblue]Scoring in penalty shootout is now under "Attack"?

The truth is defence wins your tournaments, while attack wins you leagues.

Nigeria has not scored up to 6 goals in the tournament, but they are in the Semis. Some teams made up that number in the group stages, but na house dem dey.

If you want to win a tournament, your defence has to be top notch.

You fit manage a bad attack till it gets to PK shootout. You cannot do the same for a bad defence. [/color]

Key point
Nigeria are outscoring their opponents
It's as simple as that if they didn't score it will end in draw

iamoyindamola:
Key point
Nigeria are outscoring their opponents
It's as simple as that if they didn't score it will end in draw

[color=royalblue]Your "Outscoring" point would fly if the opponent actually scored.

Nobody has scored us since Equatorial Guinea, so how can you say we are "Outscoring"?

Nobody since Game 1 has scored us, and you think the attack has been wonderful?

Nah bro. Your defence is who we should thank[/color]

izzou:
[color=royalblue]Your "Outscoring" point would fly if the opponent actually scored.

Nobody has scored us since Equatorial Guinea, so how can you say we are "Outscoring"?

Nobody since Game 1 has scored us, and you think the attack has been wonderful?

Nah bro. Your defence is who we should thank[/color]

Haba
We scored and opponents didn't is that not what outscoring mean and why are you linking our clean sheets success to defense only
What if opponents attack is weak
Below are the 2 knockout stats we were never outplayed at any time

iamoyindamola:
Haba
We scored and opponents didn't is that not what outscoring mean and why are you linking our clean sheets success to defense only
What if opponents attack is weak
Below are the 2 knockout stats we were never outplayed at any time

[color=royalblue]Angola won with 3 goals before they met us. Is that the attack that is weak?

Cote D'Ivoire won with 2 goals before they met us. Is that the attack that is weak?

You can go far in a tournament with a wonderful defence and poor attack. Time and time again, we have seen it happen.

But if your defence is bad, you have a much more bigger problem.
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izzou:
[color=royalblue]Angola won with 3 goals before they met us. Is that the attack that is weak?

Cote D'Ivoire won with 2 goals before they met us. Is that the attack that is weak?

You can go far in a tournament with a wonderful defence and poor attack. Time and time again, we have seen it happen.

But if your defence is bad, you have a much more bigger problem.
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Tell me a team that win a trophy without scoring
Even Greece that did community defending knew they have to score first to win Euro 2004

iamoyindamola:
Tell me a team that win a trophy without scoring
Even Greece that did community defending knew they have to score first to win Euro 2004

[color=royalblue]Nobody said scoring means a wonderful attack. You guys are just translating it to mean that.

Nigeria's only goal against Cote D'Ivoire was from a defender..A penalty.

So na attack bring the goal, abi na defence?

You need a goal to win, and with a good defence, it is achievable

You need a goal to win, and with a poor defence, it is not achievable

Do you understand my point now?[/color]

izzou:
[color=royalblue]Nobody said scoring means a wonderful attack. You guys are just translating it to mean that.

Nigeria's only goal against Cote D'Ivoire was from a defender..A penalty.

So na attack bring the goal, abi na defence?

You need a goal to win, and with a good defence, it is achievable

You need a goal to win, and with a poor defence, it is not achievable

Do you understand my point now?[/color]

Lol
Prime Barca team with puyol, Valdez and Pinto says hi

Last season Chelsea conceded almost the same number of goals as arsenal
One finished second the other finished at the bottom 10

Recent one
City and arsenal are level on point, arsenal have better defence than city but they are ahead of arsenal

We can go on and on that defence win you shiit is a scam
Get better attack if your opponent score 5 be prepare to score 10
Simple

You people are conflating league football and tournament football in this attack vs defence brouhaha.


My take is that both are equally important.

In tournament football, defence is king. The number of matches are limited and you can grind out results and get lucky with one goal or a penalty shootout.

In league football, you can't grind our your way to glory over a 38-game season.


Also, every rule has exceptions. Liverpool 2014 would've won the league if they hadn't been parading clowns like Skrtel, Sakho and Flanagan in their backline.

Nigeria in the last Women's World Cup would have gotten to the semis if our attack was just a little bit sharper.

Simple sturvs.

Make una go farm these engagements for Twitter. Elon may pay you.

iamoyindamola:
Lol
There's a reason attack is the best form of defence because no matter how good your defense is
If your attack don't score you will play draw and I haven't seen anyone win titles by drawing all season
That's just 38 points

Even in cup competition you have to score in penalty shootout

Very Simple

Unlimited22:
You people are conflating league football and tournament football in this attack vs defence brouhaha.


My take is that both are equally important.

In tournament football, defence is king. The number of matches are limited and you can grind out results and get lucky with one goal or a penalty shootout.

In league football, you can't grind our your way to glory over a 38-game season.


Also, every rule has exceptions. Liverpool 2014 would've won the league if they hadn't been parading clowns like Skrtel, Sakho and Flanagan in their backline.

Nigeria in the last Women's World Cup would have gotten to the semis if our attack was just a little bit sharper.

Simple sturvs.

Make una go farm these engagements for Twitter. Elon may pay you.

The bolded have been my point from day 1.

Below is my very first post regarding this debate.

timbros:
We just need to strike a balance between this attack and defense thing.

If you score 5 goals in a match and concede 6, will you praise your attack for scoring 5 in a match or will you blame you defense for conceding 6?

Conversely,if you concede just 1 goal but scored zero, will you praise your defense for being tight enough to concede "just" 1 goal or will you blame your attack for not being able to score any?

While our attack need massive improvement to convert chances created, our defense also need to tighten up. Individual errors in defense have cost us a lot this season. So yes, defense is also our problem.

In 2004/05 when Mourinho broke the record of least goals conceded in the league, we scored 72 goals. Arsenal in second scored 87..... The amount of 1-0 matches we played that season was uncountable.

2020/21 when Tuchel won us UCL, we conceded just 4 goals all campaign. 4 goals in 13 matches!

Make una no dey underrate the importance of defense in football.

I literally said we should strike a balance between attack and defence to get the best out of our team, but airmark said no, our defence is okay. Fix attack and we are good to go... I mean, who does that?

I had to school him on the importance of defence and he later agreed with me..

iamoyindamola:
Last season Chelsea conceded almost the same number of goals as arsenal
One finished second the other finished at the bottom 10

Was it not obvious that your defensive fragility in the 2nd half of the season was one of the reason you bottled the league. You went from having the second best defense in the first half of the season to conceding goals cheaply in the 2nd. Am sure if we check your post history and those of your Fellow arsenal fans we will see you guys complaining how losing Saliba made you lose the league. You that have experienced mustafi, Luiz, holding and those other bend down select defenders Arsenal has been parading for years should know what comes with having clowns in defense that folds under pressure.

iamoyindamola:
Lol
There's a reason attack is the best form of defence because no matter how good your defense is
If your attack don't score you will play draw and I haven't seen anyone win titles by drawing all season
That's just 38 points

Even in cup competition you have to score in penalty shootout

If literally the bolded is true, why do you have defenders in your team? Why don't you just fill every position with attackers and keep bombing your opponent with attack?

Why do you need defenders and GKs?

The screenshot below is literally the period Arsenal surrendered the league to Man City. Look at that screenshot very well, study the results, and tell me whose fault it is that Arsenal lost that league... Is it attackers fault or defenders? Did the attackers not score enough to win those matches or was it that the defenders conceded more?

akwesenana:
This una attack and defence argument just be like the argument of who came first between the egg and the fowl.

You dey mind them?

timbros:
The bolded have been my point from day 1.

Below is my very first post regarding this debate.



I literally said we should strike a balance between attack and defence to get the best out of our team, but airmark said no, our defence is okay. Fix attack and we are good to go... I mean, who does that?

I had to school him on the importance of defence and he later agreed with me..

You are like some deluded and foolish Obidients, calling Peter Obi, Mr. President.

iamoyindamola:
Tell me a team that win a trophy without scoring
Even Greece that did community defending knew they have to score first to win Euro 2004

And that is the problem with Chelsea, we don't score first,thus teams get bolder and attack us,thereby scoring us first,we are then left trying to equalise.

airmark:

You are like some deluded and foolish Obidients, calling Peter Obi, Mr. President.

What brought in obidients and Peter Obi into Chelsea thread?

Sportsweb:
Did Egypt win the AFCON by not outscoring their opponent?

Did Senegal outscore their opponent or not to win the cup?

Airmark defence Academy don reach here again?

The purpose of this moniker is to deposed hensben as the senior prefect at the citadel so he just defends any foolishness from airmark

popizaino:
And that is the problem with Chelsea, we don't score first,thus teams get bolder and attack us,thereby scoring us first,we are then left trying to equalise.

Against Arsenal you scored first you even scored 2 goals and did not win

Can you explain why with your theory

You think your atta k will score first when your defence concede the first chance that comes to them

Vischy:
What brought in obidients and Peter Obi into Chelsea thread?

No mind am, na only air dey im head

raumdeuter:
Against Arsenal you scored first you even scored 2 goals and did not win

Can you explain why with your theory

You think your atta k will score first when your defence concede the first chance that comes to them

Man UTD also scored first (2 goals ahead) against Wolves and despite conceding 3 goals later, they still scored the winning goal. That's the difference.

In fact it's disheartening to even accept that their attack is better than ours.

These Everton corners are demonic

Vischy:
What brought in obidients and Peter Obi into Chelsea thread?

That's what I remembered that's relatable at that moment I typed. No vex, if you are one of those deluded lots.