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Re: Western Union, Moneygram, Others To Pay Nigerians In Naira Instead Of Dollars by tsdarkside(m): 10:38am On Feb 10
Okoroawusa:
As long as there are no differences between bank rate and black market rate will this work. But once there is disparity between them even if it's #1 then people would prefer dollars in cash to change at the black market thereby defeating the whole essence.

Let's see how this goes

nigerians have always messed around with dollars since the 80s....

its nothing new....but standard of living in nigeria was not that affected back then like today....
people dont want to produce no more....they just want to run after the dollar....

you will only have a society were very few can live and the majority are extremly poor....
usin dollars in nigeria is a very bad idea....

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Re: Western Union, Moneygram, Others To Pay Nigerians In Naira Instead Of Dollars by tppzzy01(m): 11:38am On Feb 10
cheesy
Femmyfamous4u:


Yes, you won't have money to take to Bureau De Change.
Re: Western Union, Moneygram, Others To Pay Nigerians In Naira Instead Of Dollars by forgiveness: 11:40am On Feb 10
GeneralDae:

Your 4th and 5th point would only be possible when the Banks are confident they have enough dollars to guarantee this. Before 2016, this was the case because the CBN and Banks had the FX reserves to match the demand (which has grown over time).

Don't be deceived. These banks have dollars. They are the owns selling to BDCs.

Somebody wanted to transfer money in dollars. When I went to the bank to find out if I could withdraw 100 dollar bills, the banker lied they have only 20 dollar bills.

Behold, aboki walked into the bank and he was given 1,000 dollars in 100 dollar bills.

The banks are culprits in this.

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Re: Western Union, Moneygram, Others To Pay Nigerians In Naira Instead Of Dollars by ivolt: 12:07pm On Feb 10
EmperorCaesar:


I've read many of your opinions on issues regarding this fall of Naira and going as far back as the last 5pages of your comments, it's always filled with criticism and no valuable suggestions
You should have forwarded your valuable suggestions to Emefiele all those years
since you think the CBN is filled with dullards.

There is nothing wrong if you think the kindergarten advice above is valuable suggestion that would help Nigeria solve its multi-billion dollar debt crisis.
You might even forward the suggestion to Cardoso, he may find it appealing same way Emefiele thought fighting Abokifx would help improve the Naira instead of addressing the elephant in the room.

You have been doing great all these years by ignoring comments you don't like. Don't stop now.
You should continue in that light since they are not personal attacks against you.



The Good news is that your opinion ends here
If you believe the above then you must have known it was pointless replying.
Re: Western Union, Moneygram, Others To Pay Nigerians In Naira Instead Of Dollars by ivolt: 12:39pm On Feb 10
forgiveness:



Kill which economy? Is it the same economy not in comatose already because of those saboteurs buying dollars from BDCs and stocking it in their domiciliary accounts with the expectation of naira fall to gain more naira?
Not even Cardoso has made this claim.
Outside of Aboki's dealing in dollars and occasional online shoppers.
Nobody goes to banks to deposit dollars.
It is even worse right now, since withdrawal and transfers have been banned.
The "saboteur" are the ones who imported the phone, cars, electronics and every other
foreign manufactured items in your house.


When the naira depreciate, they withdrawal the dollars in their account. Rush back to BDCs and change it into naira and deposit the gain in naira account. Then use the capital to buy more dollars and keep in the bank. I am talking about buying dollars in millions with millions and billions of naira. This creates scarcity and we know the rules of economics. The higher the demand the higher the price.
What you grin grin grin
This is quite entertaining.
Yes, speculators exist

So, you are dead wrong by insinuating turning dollar to naira in the domiciliary account will kill economy. It will rather reduce pressure on naira because you will not be given dollars. It does not stop you from making electronic transfer to pay in dollars outside the country.

If you want to pay foreign school fees, go to your bank and process the money which is in naira to pay in dollars online through the Nigerian bank straight the foreign bank in abroad. Fortunately, we have many Nigerian banks in U.K and other countries.


The schools are the ones desperate for Nigerian students. They will comply
Nope.
The schools aren't desperate.
They are not the one lying about proof of funds.
So, if a school say the US accepts your Naira, what will it do with it?


If you need dollars, you can change the naira at the airport of your destination or use your card. Nigerian banks there will pay the processing fee. grin
So, the changers at the airport of your destination will collect your super Naira and give you dollars for what reason?


I doubt you are aware of that.
Aware of what exactly.
You think there is any entity out there who needs your Naira apart from Nigerians.
If anybody agrees to swap any currency for Naira, it either has a way of investing the Naira
back into Nigeria or has a means of converting it for profit.

So, a traveler from the US came to Nigeria and changed its dollars at the airport but when going
back you insist they go back with Naira so that they can exchange it magically in their native country .
You see how ridiculous you sound. Perhaps other countries are desperate for Naira, they are going
to starve if they stay away from Nigeria or Nigeria sanctions them.


Nobody should be given dollar in Nigeria. If you like knack your head for floor. All of you crying it will kill the economy are benefactors and saboteurs. Enemies of the state. grin
I replied you because you are so ignorant that is nauseating and some people might actually think
you know what you are talking about.
At this age, only a financially illiterate person will be looking to be given dollars like some beggars looking for alms.
You see, banks don't drive bullion vans to people's home to give them dollars because they ask.

Here is how the market works.
In the Buhari era were some items were banned. You simply apply for the dollars you need
if you have legitimate needs e.g traveling. It could take weeks or months.
And for the major consumer of dollars, the importers, they are not given dollar cash as you imagined.

It is even easier these days because the CBN no longer keeps a banned item list.

Now, go back and read the fantasy you put up there and try to reason how it will solve the dollar deficit issues.
Re: Western Union, Moneygram, Others To Pay Nigerians In Naira Instead Of Dollars by lebienconnu: 1:04pm On Feb 10
I am not an economist so I stand to be corrected.

Remittance from the diasporans is a major source of dollar supply. Gong by the simple law of demand and supply, I see Naira falling more against dollar and other currencies if this source is tampered with like being considered.

People will get their dollars from western union and other IMTO agents in neighbouring countries like Benin republic and come back to sell in Nigeria at a much higher rate.

If the above is true then I quite agree that is a trial and error policy and that a woeful failure awaits it.
Re: Western Union, Moneygram, Others To Pay Nigerians In Naira Instead Of Dollars by forgiveness: 1:11pm On Feb 10
ivolt:

Not even Cardoso has made this claim.
Outside of Aboki's dealing in dollars and occasional online shoppers.
Nobody goes to banks to deposit dollars.
It is even worse right now, since withdrawal and transfers have been banned.
The "saboteur" are the ones who imported the phone, cars, electronics and every other
foreign manufactured items in your house.


What you grin grin grin
This is quite entertaining.
Yes, speculators exist

So, you are dead wrong by insinuating turning dollar to naira in the domiciliary account will kill economy. It will rather reduce pressure on naira because you will not be given dollars. It does not stop you from making electronic transfer to pay in dollars outside the country.

If you want to pay foreign school fees, go to your bank and process the money which is in naira to pay in dollars online through the Nigerian bank straight the foreign bank in abroad. Fortunately, we have many Nigerian banks in U.K and other countries.


Nope.
The schools aren't desperate.
They are not the one lying about proof of funds.
So, if a school say the US accepts your Naira, what will it do with it?


So, the changers at the airport of your destination will collect your super Naira and give you dollars for what reason?


Aware of what exactly.
You think there is any entity out there who needs your Naira apart from Nigerians.
If anybody agrees to swap any currency for Naira, it either has a way of investing the Naira
back into Nigeria or has a means of converting it for profit.

So, a traveler from the US came to Nigeria and changed its dollars at the airport but when going
back you insist they go back with Naira so that they can exchange it magically in their native country .
You see how ridiculous you sound. Perhaps other countries are desperate for Naira, they are going
to starve if they stay away from Nigeria or Nigeria sanctions them.


I replied you because you are so ignorant that is nauseating and some people might actually think
you know what you are talking about.
At this age, only a financially illiterate person will be looking to be given dollars like some beggars looking for alms.
You see, banks don't drive bullion vans to people's home to give them dollars because they ask.

Here is how the market works.
In the Buhari era were some items were banned. You simply apply for the dollars you need
if you have legitimate needs e.g traveling. It could take weeks or months.
And for the major consumer of dollars, the importers, they are not given dollar cash as you imagined.

It is even easier these days because the CBN no longer keeps a banned item list.

Now, go back and read the fantasy you put up there and try to reason how it will solve the dollar deficit issues.

The fact you claim NOBODY deposit dollars into DOMICILIARY ACCOUNT has rendered your gibberish write up as your personal insinuation.

Who told you? Where did you get the statistics from that nobody deposit money into domiciliary accounts?

I deposited money into domiciliary account because I wanted to spend it abroad last year.

I still know many people still with domiciliary accounts.

Besides, the CBN reports of 30b dollars domiciled in domiciliary account has rendered your submission falsehood. You lied big time. grin

Who are the saboteurs? Electronic importers? Other foreign importers? Another goofy statement.

I imported cars last year and I can tell you, it's not profitable because by the time the goods lands in Nigeria after 3 months (depending on the country), the exchange rates has gone up.

Something you bought 2k dollars let say equivalent of 2m at the rate of 100naira to a dollar, but you have to raise 3m to buy 2k dollars for the same car you want to sell at the rate of 1500 to a dollar. If you add clearance, shipping, profit, how much do you want to sell the car fast? angry

Where is money to buy cars 8m car in this Nigeria?

Mr man, keep shut. Electronic, cars, phones, foreign goods importers are crying because they are lossing money. You're just a paper economic. You don't have any idea. grin

So, these are not the saboteurs but the ones who deliberately opened domiciliary account, buy dollars, kerp in the account and when dollar appreciates, run to BDCs to change into naira then buy dollars again and save in the account. These are saboteurs. Enemies of the state. They don't want to work but make fast money. grin

Nobody said school should accept naira. You're too slow to understand.

If you want to pay school fees, go to your bank and provide justification for the dollars, then provide the bank account of the beneficiary. The bank will wire the money directly to the foreign bank account and you get your receipt. Sefini.

If you need cash, get an atm. The bank will convert your naira to dollars and then you can use your atm to do any transactions in the world.

This is what people use to buy goods abroad. You're also oblivious to this. Mean, you no know anything. Na only mouth you get. grin

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Re: Western Union, Moneygram, Others To Pay Nigerians In Naira Instead Of Dollars by forgiveness: 1:16pm On Feb 10
lebienconnu:
I am not an economist so I stand to be corrected.

Remittance from the diasporans is a major source of dollar supply. Gong by the simple law of demand and supply, I see Naira falling more against dollar and other currencies if this source is tampered with like being considered.

People will get their dollars from western union and other IMTO agents in neighbouring countries like Benin republic and come back to sell in Nigeria at a much higher rate.

If the above is true then I quite agree that is a trial and error policy and that a woeful failure awaits it.

You must declare the amount of money with you at the border. If you don't declare but found with currency, it shall be seized then you ho to jail for 3 months. If tjis is enforced, nobody dares to usurp the law.

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Re: Western Union, Moneygram, Others To Pay Nigerians In Naira Instead Of Dollars by Jeans601: 1:37pm On Feb 10
forgiveness:


The fact you claim NOBODY deposit dollars into DOMICILIARY ACCOUNT has rendered your gibberish write up as your personal insinuation.

Who told you? Where did you get the statistics from that nobody deposit money into domiciliary accounts?

I deposited money into domiciliary account because I wanted to spend it abroad last year.

I still know many people still with domiciliary accounts.

Besides, the CBN reports of 30b dollars domiciled in domiciliary account has rendered your submission falsehood. You lied big time. grin

Who are the saboteurs? Electronic importers? Other foreign importers? Another goofy statement.

I imported cars last year and I can tell you, it's not profitable because by the time the goods lands in Nigeria after 3 months (depending on the country), the exchange rates has gone up.

Something you bought 2k dollars let say equivalent of 2m at the rate of 100naira to a dollar, but you have to raise 3m to buy 2k dollars for the same car you want to sell at the rate of 1500 to a dollar. If you add clearance, shipping, profit, how much do you want to sell the car fast? angry

Where is money to buy cars 8m car in this Nigeria?

Mr man, keep shut. Electronic, cars, phones, foreign goods importers are crying because they are lossing money. You're just a paper economic. You don't have any idea. grin

So, these are not the saboteurs but the ones who deliberately opened domiciliary account, buy dollars, kerp in the account and when dollar appreciates, run to BDCs to change into naira then buy dollars again and save in the account. These are saboteurs. Enemies of the state. They don't want to work but make fast money. grin

Nobody said school should accept naira. You're too slow to understand.

If you want to pay school fees, go to your bank and provide justification for the dollars, then provide the bank account of the beneficiary. The bank will wire the money directly to the foreign bank account and you get your receipt. Sefini.

If you need cash, get an atm. The bank will convert your naira to dollars and then you can use your atm to do any transactions in the world.

This is what people use to buy goods abroad. You're also oblivious to this. Mean, you no know anything. Na only mouth you get. grin

Bro stop wasting your time explaining anything to that kid abeg.

He is even so slow to understand wire transfer.

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Re: Western Union, Moneygram, Others To Pay Nigerians In Naira Instead Of Dollars by lebienconnu: 1:38pm On Feb 10
forgiveness:


You must declare the amount of money with you at the border. If you don't declare but found with currency, it shall be seized then you ho to jail for 3 months. If tjis is enforced, nobody dares to usurp the law.

This will work if properly enforced but my fear is that it can’t or won’t. I can make a trip to Benin republic to collect 3k dollars everyday. Of course, I will declare it.
Re: Western Union, Moneygram, Others To Pay Nigerians In Naira Instead Of Dollars by forgiveness: 1:43pm On Feb 10
Jeans601:


Bro stop wasting your time explaining anything to that kid abeg.

He is even so slow to understand wire transfer.

Honestly, speaking. He's too slow.
Re: Western Union, Moneygram, Others To Pay Nigerians In Naira Instead Of Dollars by forgiveness: 1:45pm On Feb 10
lebienconnu:


This will work if properly enforced but my fear is that it can’t or won’t. I can make a trip to Benin republic to collect 3k dollars everyday. Of course, I will declare it.

Bringing money above 100dollars at the border must be prohibited.

Like you rightly said, it may not be enforced due to some corrupt law enforcement agencies.

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Re: Western Union, Moneygram, Others To Pay Nigerians In Naira Instead Of Dollars by emerged01(m): 2:00pm On Feb 10
Sunijacks:
Will this policy help the naira?
It only help Nigerians to do the right thing. Policies like compelling govt officials to buy Innosson or nord instead of foreign products,banning them from travelling abroad for medicals will help naira but this one is just scratching the surface of our problem.

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Re: Western Union, Moneygram, Others To Pay Nigerians In Naira Instead Of Dollars by Validated: 2:15pm On Feb 10
Sunijacks:
Will this policy help the naira?

Capital NO. It will worsen the situation in that the liquidity will be reduced. Only Western Union, Money Gram, etc will benefit from it. How? They collect $ from abroad and pay Naira, hence BDC gets nothing. It means that for BDC to get money, the individual will have to send cash to relative, which is very risky.

Cardozo is incompetent all-round!
Re: Western Union, Moneygram, Others To Pay Nigerians In Naira Instead Of Dollars by Sunijacks(m): 2:34pm On Feb 10
emerged01:

It only help Nigerians to do right thing. Policies like compelling govt officials to buy Innosson or nord instead of foreign products,banning them from travelling abroad for medicals will help naira but this one is just scratching the surface of our problem.

If this will be implemented/ enforced on all government officials across all levels, I bet it will help our infrastructure to say the least
Re: Western Union, Moneygram, Others To Pay Nigerians In Naira Instead Of Dollars by GeneralDae: 2:52pm On Feb 10
lebienconnu:
I am not an economist so I stand to be corrected.

Remittance from the diasporans is a major source of dollar supply. Gong by the simple law of demand and supply, I see Naira falling more against dollar and other currencies if this source is tampered with like being considered.

People will get their dollars from western union and other IMTO agents in neighbouring countries like Benin republic and come back to sell in Nigeria at a much higher rate.

If the above is true then I quite agree that is a trial and error policy and that a woeful failure awaits it.
Majority of people who send money to Nigeria just want to help their loved ones at home. Those folks at home don't need dollars for anything. They just want naira to buy yam, gas, and kerosene.

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Re: Western Union, Moneygram, Others To Pay Nigerians In Naira Instead Of Dollars by GeneralDae: 3:05pm On Feb 10
Validated:


Capital NO. It will worsen the situation in that the liquidity will be reduced. Only Western Union, Money Gram, etc will benefit from it. How? They collect $ from abroad and pay Naira, hence BDC gets nothing. It means that for BDC to get money, the individual will have to send cash to relative, which is very risky.

Cardozo is incompetent all-round!
Isn't it good for BDC's to be phased out if they can't compete with the market? Why should there be street sale of FX?

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Re: Western Union, Moneygram, Others To Pay Nigerians In Naira Instead Of Dollars by Tayomi37(m): 3:44pm On Feb 10
My opinion may be wrong.
Anyone spending foreign currency apart from Naira within the 4 walls of our nation, storing them for no justificable reason unless He/She doing international business should charged for TREASON.

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Re: Western Union, Moneygram, Others To Pay Nigerians In Naira Instead Of Dollars by lusim(m): 4:02pm On Feb 10
Obinoscopy:
It will help the naira temporarily but will rebound with immense negative effect on the naira due to the scarcity of the dollar. Whether we like it or not, Nigeria is import driven thus thrives on the dollar. The moment dollar gets scarce, the prices of things will go up, including petrol. The dollar will get scarce because Nigerians don't trust that the government will allow a free float of the forex exchange thus there will be a reduction in the inflow of dollar into the economy.

The solution is simple, the government needs to put mechanism in place to switch our economy from a consumption driven economy to production driven one. Then the government can allow a free float of the naira which will give confidence of investors and diasporans allowing their hard earned dollars to get into the economy. Once dollar floods the economy, it's value will drop and the naira will gain.

You don't know how forex move, this will eliminate dollar scarcity as you suppose to put because cbn reserves will increase.

The process is simple,
If your foreign client pay you with usd, usd goes to the central reserve but the value is released to you in naira.

Before when most people get this usd direct, they hold it, study the market forces and sell at a good rate. This is what they want to stop.

Like most people are guilty of this.

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Re: Western Union, Moneygram, Others To Pay Nigerians In Naira Instead Of Dollars by Obinoscopy(m): 4:24pm On Feb 10
forgiveness:


The government is not stopping you from earning in dollars but your dollar must be changed to naira if you want to collect cash because naira is the official currency for trade.

I now realize that many of this people are enemies of the state. They are really enjoying the economy fail but still criticizing the government. What hypocrites!!
The government is just attacking the symptoms and not the disease. If the forex was not influenced by the government and if the naira is truly on free float, people will see no need to patronize the black market because the banks are giving the true rate of the dollar.

Imagine if you were a tenant and your landlord sells bottle water for 500 naira however an aboki outside sells the same bottle water for 100 naira. Will you say because you are a good tenant you will not patronize the aboki?

You can't force someone who works hard and earns some dollars (who is your "tenant" using my analogy) to buy your "bottle water" which is to convert the dollar to naira using the banks rate when he knows he can get a better rate with an aboki. That "tenant" will leave your country and it will affect your economy.

Free float is the way to go. However before you do a free float, make sure the country is a net exporter of goods and services.
Re: Western Union, Moneygram, Others To Pay Nigerians In Naira Instead Of Dollars by forgiveness: 4:30pm On Feb 10
Obinoscopy:
The government is just attacking the symptoms and not the disease. If the forex was not influenced by the government and if the naira is truly on free float, people will see no need to patronize the black market because the banks are giving the true rate of the dollar.

Imagine if you were a tenant and your landlord sells bottle water for 500 naira however an aboki outside sells the same bottle water for 100 naira. Will you say because you are a good tenant you will not patronize the aboki?

You can't force someone who works hard and earns some dollars (who is your "tenant" using my analogy) to buy your "bottle water" which is to convert the dollar to naira using the banks rate when he knows he can get a better rate with an aboki. That "tenant" will leave your country and it will affect your economy.

Free float is the way to go. However before you do a free float, make sure the country is a net exporter of goods and services.

In a sane society, aboki and those patronizing them should be jailed. It's illegal.

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Re: Western Union, Moneygram, Others To Pay Nigerians In Naira Instead Of Dollars by Obinoscopy(m): 4:32pm On Feb 10
forgiveness:
I have said it. Turn the dollar and foreign currency in the domiciliary account into naira. This will starve the BDCs of foreign currency.

2. No organization or schools must be allowed to do transaction in cash in Nigeria. Including Nigerian immigration. In this way, pressure will reduce on dollars. I was sorry for Nigeria when I learnt British school in Lekki pays in dollars as at 10 years ago.

3. Nobody must possess 1,000 dollars coming into Nigeria. And any currency brought into the country must be deposited at the bank or change to naira at the airport or any point of entry.

4. Allow banks to make naira transfer in order to pay for school fees abroad.

5. Return back to the days naira atm card can withdraw money outside Nigeria.


These will reduce pressure on dollar demand. Nobody will need to search for dollars.
All these won't work if the FG don't allow the market determine the forex rate and worse, it could even starve us of foreign investments.
Re: Western Union, Moneygram, Others To Pay Nigerians In Naira Instead Of Dollars by Obinoscopy(m): 4:34pm On Feb 10
forgiveness:


In a sane society, aboki and those patronizing then should be jailed. It's illegal.
In a sane society, aboki will be out of business because people believe in their bank's forex rate as the government don't influence or dictate the rate.
Re: Western Union, Moneygram, Others To Pay Nigerians In Naira Instead Of Dollars by Obinoscopy(m): 4:44pm On Feb 10
lusim:


You don't know how forex move, this will eliminate dollar scarcity as you suppose to put because cbn reserves will increase.

The process is simple,
If your foreign client pay you with usd, usd goes to the central reserve but the value is released to you in naira.

Before when most people get this usd direct, they hold it, study the market forces and sell at a good rate. This is what they want to stop.

Like most people are guilty of this.
If you want to force people to use naira that's your choice. However it is very critical to ensure that the forex rate is not dictated by the FG but simply by balance of trade (ie demand and supply). Otherwise, you will lose foreign investors as they don't want to put their dollars in an economy where the forex is determined by the government. And this will lead to less dollars and will eventually lead to more speculators and more black market transactions.
Re: Western Union, Moneygram, Others To Pay Nigerians In Naira Instead Of Dollars by Iamanoited: 4:49pm On Feb 10
VERY GOOD AND VERY WELL LEGAL AND SUPPORTED.
Re: Western Union, Moneygram, Others To Pay Nigerians In Naira Instead Of Dollars by commoditiesnig: 6:27pm On Feb 10
Sunijacks:
Will this policy help the naira?
Yes it will
Re: Western Union, Moneygram, Others To Pay Nigerians In Naira Instead Of Dollars by Nickelodeon93: 9:35pm On Feb 10
commoditiesnig:

Yes it will
how please
Re: Western Union, Moneygram, Others To Pay Nigerians In Naira Instead Of Dollars by GeneralDae: 1:45am On Feb 11
Nickelodeon93:
how please
I don't know if it would help the naira but what I'm sure of is that if maintained for some time, it would reduce fast depreciation or appreciation of the naira. That is to say it would ensure three things:

a) Reduction of the power of the black market and closing of the gap between rates

b) Stability of naira

c) Liquidity in the official market.
Re: Western Union, Moneygram, Others To Pay Nigerians In Naira Instead Of Dollars by Nickelodeon93: 5:06am On Feb 11
GeneralDae:

I don't know if it would help the naira but what I'm sure of is that if maintained for some time, it would reduce fast depreciation or appreciation of the naira. That is to say it would ensure three things:

a) Reduction of the power of the black market and closing of the gap between rates

b) Stability of naira

c) Liquidity in the official market.



Interesting… well let’s be going… right now what Nigeria needs is more production/exportation.. not a drug dealer who knows only how to broaden the tax net
Re: Western Union, Moneygram, Others To Pay Nigerians In Naira Instead Of Dollars by GeneralDae: 8:39am On Feb 11
Nickelodeon93:




Interesting… well let’s be going… right now what Nigeria needs is more production/exportation.. not a drug dealer who knows only how to broaden the tax net
After giving you that explanation, is this all you could come up with?

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