I had to come up with this thread to enlighten us on the writings of Paul to the church. It's because of the recent comment by Suleman Johnson that Jesus spoke to him that his friend that died mysteriously was teaching Paul's message and not his revelation. Johnson Suleman even added that Apostle Peter discredited the writings of Apostle Paul.

I want to make a submission here backed up with scriptures that the church would have been in the dark without the letters Apostle Paul wrote to the churches.

First of all, Apostle Paul didn't call himself into the Ministry. He was actually persecuting the church until he had an encounter with Jesus that changed the story of his life.

Apostle Paul was the only Apostle that was given deep revelation about the church, what God did for us in Christ, who we are in Christ, what we can do because of our union with Christ and even how the rapture will take place.

Let me begin to list some of his unique revelation without which we would have been in the dark and even the ministry of reconciliation committed to our trust would have suffered a setback.

1. The principle of salvation as revealed by Apostle Paul.

Romans 10:9-10
9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

The passage above is the template we normally use when leading lost souls to Christ.

The other Apostles never gave us any such template. The work of soul winning would have suffered a great setback without this template.

Even our Lord Jesus didn't give us this template. His emphasis was just to believe in him. But Paul went further to say that we must confess what we believe to be saved. And it was the Lord Jesus who revealed it to him. So, Jesus is the source of Paul's revelation.

Our Lord Jesus said that he had so many things to say but he couldn't say them because the disciples didn't have the capacity to receive them at that time. So he said that the other things we need to know will be revealed by the Holy Spirit who he will send down.

So the writings of Paul are divine revelations given to him by the Holy Spirit. They are not his personal opinions. He let us know a few times he gave his personal opinions.

So, it's absurd for anyone to discredit the writings of Paul. They are divine revelations from Christ himself without which the church would have been in the dark and the work of soul winning committed to our trust would have suffered a setback.

I will unveil more of this unique revelation in this thread.

You are free to make your comments but they should be backed up with scriptures.

Hear what Apostle Paul himself said concerning his calling!

Galatians 1:1 Paul, an apostle, (not of men, neither by man, but by Jesus Christ, and God the Father, who raised him from the dead

He was called into the Apostolic ministry by Jesus himself.

In addition he said;

Galatians 1:11-12.
11 But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.

12 For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.

Notice the phrase, 'by the revelation of Jesus Christ'.

In other words, the things he wrote were revealed to him by Jesus Christ himself.

So, Suleman Johnson didn't hear from Jesus. He is out of faith and should check himself well.

Now, let's continue with the unique revelations contained in the letters of Paul.

2. Paul's writings made us understand that no one is justified by the Law of Moses. Justification is by faith in Christ.

Galatians 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

Unfortunately so many so called servants of God still teach their members to follow and keep the Law of Moses. This is a grave error.

Christ brother grace. The Law of Moses has been abolished.

I have a whole book on this.

Ephesians 2:8-9.
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

No other Apostle presented this truth the way Paul did

3. The revelation of us being new creation or creature.

2 Corinthians 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

This is another I unique revelation contained in the letter of Paul. You can't see it presented in any other letters this way.

It is eye opening.

4. Our identification with Christ.

This is another great revelation. Apostle Paul let us know that we were crucified with Christ, buried with him and rose up from the dead with him.

Furthermore, he said that we are sealed together with him on the right hand of the First;

Galatians 2:20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

Romans 6:4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

Colossians 2:12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.

Ephesians 2:6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:

Please, tell me where else in the letters written by the other Apostles you get this revelation.

5. The revelation of the rapture of the Church.

This is perhaps one of the biggest revelation in the writings of Apostle Paul;

1st Thessalonians 4:13-17
13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.

14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.

15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. note

16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,

1st Corinthians 15:52-54
52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.

54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

Ken4Christ:
Hear what Apostle Paul himself said concerning his calling!

Galatians 1:1 Paul, an apostle, (not of men, neither by man, but by Jesus Christ, and God the Father, who raised him from the dead

He was called into the Apostolic ministry by Jesus himself.

In addition he said;

Galatians 1:11-12.
11 But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.

12 For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.

Notice the phrase, 'by the revelation of Jesus Christ'.

In other words, the things he wrote were revealed to him by Jesus Christ himself.

So, Suleman Johnson didn't hear from Jesus. He is out of faith and should check himself well.

Now, let's continue with the unique revelations contained in the letters of Paul.

2. Paul's writings made us understand that no one is justified by the Law of Moses. Justification is by faith in Christ.

Galatians 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

Unfortunately so many so called servants of God still teach their members to follow and keep the Law of Moses. This is a grave error.

Christ brother grace. The Law of Moses has been abolished.

I have a whole book on this.

Ephesians 2:8-9.
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

No other Apostle presented this truth the way Paul did

Concerning your statement about the law of Moses been abolished, I just want to know other than the writings of Paul are there other source for that?

Because I believe Jesus said he has not come to abolish the law but to fulfill the law and also I know the other Apostles continue to follow the law after Jesus left the scene.

If the knowledge of abolishment was revealed to Paul, Why didn't Paul tell the apostles about the abolishment of the law when he was summoned to Jerusalem concerning him telling people not to follow the law. He was even asked to do some religious rites to show to people he follows the law and he obliged

CHRISTIANITY supposed to belong only to the Jews but it's because they rejected the Christ that's why the invitation was blown open for individuals from other nations to become spiritual Jews.
The man Jesus used as an apostle to connect other nations and TEACH them Christianity is Paul so without Paul's teachings you're not a Christian.

And as for you since you can't present any group of worshipers practicing what you believe that makes you an unbeliever because you're not following Paul's teachings!

Jesus is the king of the Jews!

Most people don't understand what that means because they're thinking the Bible was referring to children born to Jewish families whereas the spiritual meaning of JEWS is the nation of priests who will offer acceptable sacred services in behalf of many people for them to gain salvation.

So Jesus is the King of those offerings sacrifices to God in order for millions to gain salvation there will be 144,000 individuals who will rule with him and these ones must sacrifice everything they had for them to belong to that little flock! Luke 12:32

God promised that people from different parts of the earth will grab the skirt of these spiritual Jews before they can be saved! Zechariah 8:23

All those holding onto the skirts of the spiritual Jews and the spiritual Jews themselves will form one organization! John 10:16

Jesus only came to establish these spiritual Jews that's what he meant @ Matthew 10:6, 15:24 and John 4:22

All worshipers of God both the spiritual Jews and the other sheep must be united in their line of thought! John 17:20-22; 1Corinthians 1:10

That's what makes it possible for them to disfellowship anyone who is not ready to submit to the same teaching and doctrine that's of the spiritual Jews! Romans 16:17; 2John 10 -11

Paul was just way ahead of his time and the other apostles, in terms of labour for the lord Jesus and revelations.

ObaKlaz:

Paul was just way ahead of his time and the other apostles, in terms of labour for the lord Jesus and revelations.

Jesus chose him because he was vast in the law of Moses unlike other apostles who only learn through whatever their religious teachers says Paul was a student of one of their Rabbinic schools.
Moreover Paul has traveled to many places so he can speak many languages.

So when Jesus chose him Paul realized that Jesus was like telling him:

"If you truly want to fulfill the law of Moses to it's completion this is where you supposed to be"

That's why Paul could do more than all others in the work of our Lord and master Christ Jesus!

Ken4Christ:
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I want to make a submission here backed up with scriptures that the church would have been in the dark without the letters Apostle Paul wrote to the churches...

Ah! This is not True! If not that Paul's was truly commissioned by God his work would have been confusion, whixh is what devils use it for.

ObaKlaz:
Paul was just way ahead of his time and the other apostles, in terms of labour for the lord Jesus and revelations.

it is like you people do not know that Paal went to.school.and became a Lawyer and therefore he was more knowledgeable and more experienced than fishermen and farmers.

Qasim6:


Concerning your statement about the law of Moses been abolished, I just want to know other than the writings of Paul are there other source for that?

Because I believe Jesus said he has not come to abolish the law but to fulfill the law and also I know the other Apostles continue to follow the law after Jesus left the scene.

If the knowledge of abolishment was revealed to Paul, Why didn't Paul tell the apostles about the abolishment of the law when he was summoned to Jerusalem concerning him telling people not to follow the law. He was even asked to do some religious rites to show to people he follows the law and he obliged

i have told him several times that The Law. was never abolished rather Christ brought it back since the jews threw it away. And thst paul is a lawyer telling us that Christ brought The Law back that "end of Law" means destination and purpose in Law and not termination/finish as laymen will think.

Huh

Qasim6:


Concerning your statement about the law of Moses been abolished, I just want to know other than the writings of Paul are there other source for that?

Because I believe Jesus said he has not come to abolish the law but to fulfill the law and also I know the other Apostles continue to follow the law after Jesus left the scene.

If the knowledge of abolishment was revealed to Paul, Why didn't Paul tell the apostles about the abolishment of the law when he was summoned to Jerusalem concerning him telling people not to follow the law. He was even asked to do some religious rites to show to people he follows the law and he obliged

Yes, there are and it is contained in the book of Acts. The issue of whether the Gentiles should keep the Law of Moses was actually discussed and they came out with a resolution!

Acts 15:24-28.
24 Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment:

25 It seemed good unto us, being assembled with one accord, to send chosen men unto you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul,

26 Men that have hazarded their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ.

27 We have sent therefore Judas and Silas, who shall also tell you the same things by mouth. note

28 For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things.

Read the entire chapter to get the full story.

Qasim6:
Concerning your statement about the law of Moses been abolished, I just want to know other than the writings of Paul are there other source for that?

Abolishment as used by Paul is the consummation of the old law in Christ.

That is bringing out the TRUE MEANING of the law as Christ fulfilled them.

Because I believe Jesus said he has not come to abolish the law but to fulfill the law and also I know the other Apostles continue to follow the law after Jesus left the scene.[/quota]

Yes! And this is what Paul actually taught.

Fulfillment of the law in Christ Jesus.

Jesus didn't abolished the law but brought its true meaning/fulfilment in His life style, suffering, crucifixion, death, atonement and resurrection.

[quote]If the knowledge of abolishment was revealed to Paul, Why didn't Paul tell the apostles about the abolishment of the law when he was summoned to Jerusalem concerning him telling people not to follow the law. He was even asked to do some religious rites to show to people he follows the law and he obliged

The funny thing is, it was Apostle Peter that Jesus Himself first taught about consummation of the old law in the vision of the sheet being led down from heaven which is called a "Dietary fulfilment"

Dtruthspeaker:
i have told him several times that Tje Law. was never abolished rather Christ brought it back since the jews threw it away. And thst paul is a lawyer telling us that Christ brought The Law back that "end of Law" means destination and purpose in Law and not termination/finish as laymen will think.

I think the understanding here is the usage of the word 'abolished' Christ Himself said he didn't come to abolish but to fulfill that is: I didn't come to begin set a new law for God's redemption and plan for the people but rather I'm bringing out the true meaning of already laws in place and fulfil them in my person.

Dtruthspeaker:


i have told him several times that Tje Law. was never abolished rather Christ brought it back since the jews threw it away. And thst paul is a lawyer telling us that Christ brought The Law back that "end of Law" means destination and purpose in Law and not termination/finish as laymen will think.

If the Law of Moses has not been abolished, you and I will not be alive today. Under the Law of Moses, violation of Sabbath day attracts death penalty. How many of us keep the Sabbath today? And how many people have been stoned to death for violating the Sabbath day?

But it has actually been abolished.

Even during the earthly Ministry of our Lord Jesus, he violated the Law on a few occasions and gradually introduced grace.

When they brought a woman caught in the very act of adultery, they sought the opinion of Jesus before they stone her to death. But we all know what Jesus said. This is grace at work.

Apostle Paul let us know why the Law has to be abolished.

First, it was never God's intention to relate with us based on the Law. The promise made to Abraham was not based on the law. Hear what the scripture says in two passages!

Romans 4:13-14
13 For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith.

14 For if they which are of the law be heirs, faith is made void, and the promise made of none effect.

The passage above says that those two keep the Law of Moses are not heirs. They have no part in the kingdom of God because our justification is by faith and not by the Law of Moses.

Galatians 3:18-25
18 For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.

19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.

20 Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one.

21 Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.

22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.

23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.

24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

What then did Jesus mean when he said he didn't come to abolish the law but to fulfil it?

By virtue of the fact that he is the Son of God, he has the authority to make certain order and it will be obeyed. But Jesus did not abuse his authority like we experience in Nigeria where Law makers are the Law breakers.

What Jesus said in a nutshell is that he didn't come to arbitrarily abolish the law but will follow due process to do it.

The word fulfil in this context means to bring to a justified end. And this he did when he went to the cross.

So he said that before this is done, the law must be kept. But after it is fulfilled, they are no longer under obligation to keep it. I have a whole book on this.

Ken4Christ:


If the Law of Moses has not been abolished, you and I will not be alive today. Under the Law of Moses, violation of Sabbath day attracts death penalty. How many of us keep the Sabbath today? And how many people have been stoned to death for violating the Sabbath day?..

Why speak so foolishly? Even in Isreal a lot of people lived and were even honoured by God before they even did the one which got them dishonoured eg David, Solomon, Hezekiah, Josiah, Daniel, etc.

Please die alone do not do like satan and carry people with you.

Qasim6:
■ Concerning your statement about the law of Moses been abolished, I just want to know other than the writings of Paul are there other source for that? Because I believe Jesus said he has not come to abolish the law but to fulfill the law and also I know the other Apostles continue to follow the law after Jesus left the scene.
■ If the knowledge of abolishment was revealed to Paul, Why didn't Paul tell the apostles about the abolishment of the law when he was summoned to Jerusalem concerning him telling people not to follow the law. He was even asked to do some religious rites to show to people he follows the law and he obliged

1. Indeed, Jesus Christ never abolished, changed or even removed from the Old Law of Moses

17 “Don’t think that I have come to destroy the Law of Moses or the teaching of the prophets. I have come not to destroy their teachings but to give full meaning to them.
18 I assure you that nothing will disappear from the law until heaven and earth are gone. The law will not lose even the smallest letter or the smallest part of a letter until it has all been done.
19 “A person should obey every command in the law, even one that does not seem important. Whoever refuses to obey any command and teaches others not to obey it will be the least important in God’s kingdom. But whoever obeys the law and teaches others to obey it will be great in God’s kingdom.
20 I tell you that you must do better than the teachers of the law and the Pharisees. If you are not more pleasing to God than they are, you will never enter God’s kingdom. - Matthew 5 vs 17 - 20

2. So, even with what Jesus Christ Himself said, you supposed that somehow this knowledge of abolishment was unknown to Jesus Christ— all of the Prophets of Old were equally unaware of this abolishment as well — but revealed through Paul? Was Paul some sort of god or what for that to have taken place through Him and not through Jesus Christ Himself, the one and only Prophet and Teacher sent to the Lost sheep of Israel?

Wait, if Jesus Christ was Himself inadequate for the job then why bother saying you worship Jesus Christ? Why not worship Paul instead?

ObaKlaz:
Paul was just way ahead of his time and the other apostles, in terms of labour for the lord Jesus and revelations.

He was? The very same Paul whose letters contain less than 0.1% of the actual teachings of Jesus Christ was ahead of Jesus Christ and the revelations of God's Truth that Jesus Christ had?

I can imagine Paul rolling in his grave and maybe wishing he had never sent out any letters. He probably wished he had burned all copies instead because the filth spewed in his name by the people of this foreign religion that is far from Jesus Christ must be had to stomach. Paul, like all others, is in his grave awaiting the return of Jesus Christ and eventual judgment but look at men worshipping him like he was some god.

Dtruthspeaker:


Why speak so foolishly? Even in Isreal a lot of people lived and were even honoured by God before they even did the one which got them dishonoured eg David, Solomon, Hezekiah, Josiah, Daniel, etc.

Please die alone do not do like satan and carry people with you.

Why are you so dull in understanding. I am telling you that we are not under the Law of Moses. If we are, then the law is useless. It's no longer a law.

There is no mercy under the Law of Moses. The soul that sin gets instant judgement.

For instance under the Law, you must marry the any lady you disvirgin. And if any lady marry and the husband discover that she is not a virgin, she will be stoned to death.

There are over 600 instructions contained in the Law of Moses. If you break one, you have broken all. And if you can't keep all, you place yourself under the curses listed in Deuteronomy 28:16-68.

You want to use your head carry the load the Jews couldn't carry? It this not stupidity?

Kobojunkie:
He was? The very same Paul whose letters contain less than 0.1% of the actual teachings of Jesus Christ was ahead of Jesus Christ and the revelations of God's Truth that Jesus Christ had?

He never said this and you just put those words in his mouth.

I can imagine Paul rolling in his grave and maybe wishing he had never sent out any letters. He probably wished he had burned all copies instead because the filth spewed in his name by the people of this foreign religion that is far from Jesus Christ must be had to stomach. Paul, like all others, is in his grave awaiting the return of Jesus Christ and eventual judgment but look at men worshipping him like he was some god.

Here you're trying to be clever by half.

If Paul's teachings contain Christ messages, why should Paul be thinking of burning them?

Was it only Paul letters you believe people misunderstanding?

So, should other Apostles be rolling in their grave and thinking of burning their own writing as people can't stomach them?

Kobojunkie:
He was? The very same Paul whose letters contain less than 0.1% of the actual teachings of Jesus Christ was ahead of Jesus Christ and the revelations of God's Truth that Jesus Christ had?

I can imagine Paul rolling in his grave and maybe wishing he had never sent out any letters. He probably wished he had burned all copies instead because the filth spewed in his name by the people of this foreign religion that is far from Jesus Christ must be had to stomach. Paul, like all others, is in his grave awaiting the return of Jesus Christ and eventual judgment but look at men worshipping him like he was some god.

Every of Paul's writings were revelations from Jesus Christ himself. Jesus laid the foundation. The Apostles built on it. Without the writings of Apostle Paul and the other Apostles, there will not be the New Testament church. There would not have been instructions for us to live by. And no one is comparing Paul to Jesus. He wrote what his master Jesus revealed to him. Paul's writings were not his personal opinions.

Ken4Christ:
■ Every of Paul's writings were revelations from Jesus Christ himself. Jesus laid the foundation. The Apostles built on it. Without the writings of Apostle Paul and the other Apostles, there will not be the New Testament church. There would not have been instructions for us to live by. And no one is comparing Paul to Jesus. He wrote what his master Jesus revealed to him. Paul's writings were not his personal opinions.

These claims which are based on assumptions of yours — your special interpretations on steroids —do not answer any of the actual questions I asked so what exactly am I to do with this?

So, God of Isreal who bellowed down from Heaven on at least two occasions calling on people to Obey His Son, Jesus Christ, did not get it right, according to you? It was rather thanks to your claims regarding the person of Paul majorly that the New Testament church that belonged to Jesus Christ was able to get up and running, right? The Prophet and Teacher, the Good Shepherd, Jesus Christ, who was sent by the God of Israel was not capable of doing it alone. Paul had to come to the aide for it all to come together. WOW...

All the other 120 or more disciples there on the day of Pentecost— just 50 days after the death of Jesus Christ — were all useless in disseminating the very teachings of Jesus Christ which Jesus Christ Himself must have given to them as well. Right?

Without Paul's letters — he was probably not even among the first 1000 of the disciples of Jesus Christ seeing as he came on the scene many years later — the New Testament church would not have known what to do? Una never talk who do una this thing.

Kobojunkie:
These claims which are based on assumptions of yours — your special interpretations on steroids —do not answer any of the actual questions I asked so what exactly am I to do with this?

So, God of Isreal who bellowed down from Heaven on at least two occasions calling on people to Obey His Son, Jesus Christ, did not get it right, according to you? It was rather thanks to your claims regarding the person of Paul majorly that the New Testament church that belonged to Jesus Christ was able to get up and running, right? The Prophet and Teacher, the Good Shepherd, Jesus Christ, who was sent by the God of Israel was not capable of doing it alone. Paul had to come to the aide for it all to come together. WOW...

All the other 120 or more disciples there on the day of Pentecost— just 50 days after the death of Jesus Christ — were all useless in disseminating the very teachings of Jesus Christ which Jesus Christ Himself must have given to them as well. Right?

Without Paul's letters — he was probably not even among the first 1000 of the disciples of Jesus Christ seeing as he came on the scene many years later — the New Testament church would not have known what to do? Una never talk who do una this thing.

Our Lord Jesus couldn't teach all that we needed to know because the disciples wouldn't have had the capacity to receive them.

He told them;

John 16:12-13
12 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.

13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

Besides, the revelation that the Gentiles will be a part of the church was yet to be known. It was a secret that God kept until the resurrection of Jesus.

This is why most part of Paul's letters were focused on explaining how God included us in his plan of salvation. This was not revealed to his disciples before he died. It was even the rejection of Christ by the Jews that gave us the opportunity to be included.

Hence Paul wrote;

Colossians 1:26-27
26 Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints:

27 To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory.

He also said;

Ephesians 3:3-6.
3 How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words,

4 Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)

5 Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;

6 That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:

Notice in verse 3, Paul said that Christ made known unto him by revelation the things he wrote.

Ken4Christ:
■ Our Lord Jesus couldn't teach all that we needed to know because the disciples wouldn't have had the capacity to receive them. He told them;Besides, the revelation that the Gentiles will be a part of the church was yet to be known. It was a secret that God kept until the resurrection of Jesus. This is why most part of Paul's letters were focused on explaining how God included us in his plan of salvation. This was not revealed to his disciples before he died. It was even the rejection of Christ by the Jews that gave us the opportunity to be included. Hence Paul wrote; He also said; Notice in verse 3, Paul said that Christ made known unto him by revelation the things he wrote.

So your brand of Christianity through the magic of special interpretations has it that:

● Jesus Christ was nothing like Moses at all: . Moses was able to completely hand over all of God's Law to the people He was sent to. But Jesus Christ could not cut it as a Law-giver at all since, even though He announced on the cross that It was finished, Jesus Christ didn't complete the mission at all.
● Jesus Christ needed the help of the particular man called Paul to add the bits and pieces that He, Jesus Christ missed out on His Law and Kingdom: Even though 50 days after His death, it was noted in the Book of Acts that about 120 disciples were baptized on the day of Pentecost, and Paul alluded to there being about 500 disciples who saw Jesus Christ on the day He ascended, without the musings of the mind of the man named Paul who came many years after, Jesus Christ's movement would have been dead and buried.
● Jesus Christ is the King in the Kingdom of God and Paul is His co-ruler: Given that this belief of yours speaks of Paul who made nearly no actual mentions of the teachings and commandments of Jesus Christ in all of his letters, a position of new equal authority to Jesus Christ in the setting up and running of what is His, Jesus Christ's church, clearly Jesus Christ has Paul to thank for correcting His mistakes. Paul must occupy some sort of seat as co-ruler for those of you who hold these ideas regarding him.

So, following your special cocktail there, Jesus Christ lied and the God of Israel messed up big time since at the end of the day, Jesus Christ could not achieve any of what He was prophesied by the prophets to accomplish all on His own. To you all, Jesus Christ was a Failure and Paul was His Messiah. Did I miss anything else?

Kobojunkie:
So your brand of Christianity through the magic of special interpretations has it that:

● Jesus Christ was nothing like Moses at all: . Moses was able to completely hand over all of God's Law to the people He was sent to. But Jesus Christ could not cut it as a Law-giver at all since, even though He announced on the cross that It was finished, Jesus Christ didn't complete the mission at all.
● Jesus Christ needed the help of the particular man called Paul to add the bits and pieces that He, Jesus Christ missed out on His Law and Kingdom: Even though 50 days after His death, it was noted in the Book of Acts that about 120 disciples were baptized on the day of Pentecost, and Paul alluded to there being about 500 disciples who saw Jesus Christ on the day He ascended, without the musings of the mind of the man named Paul who came many years after, Jesus Christ's movement would have been dead and buried.
● Jesus Christ is the King in the Kingdom of God and Paul is His co-ruler: Given that this belief of yours speaks of Paul who made nearly no actual mentions of the teachings and commandments of Jesus Christ in all of his letters, a position of new equal authority to Jesus Christ in the setting up and running of what is His, Jesus Christ's church, clearly Jesus Christ has Paul to thank for correcting His mistakes. Paul must occupy some sort of seat as co-ruler for those of you who hold these ideas regarding him.

So, following your special cocktail there, Jesus Christ lied and the God of Israel messed up big time since at the end of the day, Jesus Christ could not achieve any of what He was prophesied by the prophets to accomplish all on His own. To you all, Jesus Christ was a Failure and Paul was His Messiah. Did I miss anything else?

God is a team player right from creation.

The Moses you are referring to died at the age of 120 years. He spent 40 years in Ministry. Even at that, he still couldn't take them into the promise Land.

Jesus spent only three and a half years in Ministry.

There was an aspect of his Ministry that was yet to be unveiled; the inclusion of the Gentiles.

God needs man to fulfil his will on earth.

When Jesus said it is finished, he is referring to his atoning sacrifice.

There is absolutely nothing wrong in God using a human vessel to get his message across to us.

He also used Prophets in the Old testament. Moses alone didn't give all the prophecies.

Ken4Christ:
■God is a team player right from creation. The Moses you are referring to died at the age of 120 years. He spent 40 years in Ministry. Even at that, he still couldn't take them into the promise Land.
■ Jesus spent only three and a half years in Ministry.
■There was an aspect of his Ministry that was yet to be unveiled; the inclusion of the Gentiles. God needs man to fulfil his will on earth. When Jesus said it is finished, he is referring to his atoning sacrifice. There is absolutely nothing wrong in God using a human vessel to get his message across to us. He also used Prophets in the Old testament.
■ Moses alone didn't give all the prophecies.

1. Scripture almost gives the reason why Moses, and the older Israelites, roamed the desert for 40 years — a trip that should not have taken more than a couple of months, mind you —to have to do with God's Word that promised that all those among them who were over 20 at the time they left Egypt would not enter the promised Land. However, you seem to think that twist that to assert instead that the reason why Moses did not make it into the Land of Canaan had to do with a failure in the plan of God to get Moses into the Land. So, because Moses was 120 at the time, He was too old for God to take him to Canaan? WOW....

2. So, because Jesus Christ spent only 3.5 years, He did not have enough time to complete what Moses did. The Son of God status of Jesus Christ meant absolutely nothing. Jesus Christ was not given enough time by God. And so Jesus Christ needed the help of Paul who showed up years after his death to help him complete the work. The whole being a Son of God did not come with benefits above humans for Jesus Christ, did it?

3. This is a whole different Jesus Christ you have manufactured for yourself apart from the one written in Scripture. Might as well throw out the Gospels entirely cause it almost seems that your sect/denomination is about to fork off an entirely bizarre addition to both scripture and the already over 47,000 sects/denominations of the religion of Christianity, each with their version/idol of Jesus Christ that equally comes nowhere close to the one proclaimed in Scripture.

4. Moses alone did not give all the prophecies. Interesting! So no point in rebasing back to the Old Law where we find the first mentions of the coming of the fact that God would destroy and scatter the people of Israel for their disobedience of Him, and usher in a New Kingdom by way of a New agreement — all events which took place over 1900 years ago — that that which He would then gather back His scattered people from all ends of the earth Himself?

PAUL IS A VERY RELEVANT LATENT DEVELOPMENT. THANK YOU JESUS.

Ken4Christ:

Why are you so dull in understanding. I am telling you that we are not under the Law of Moses. If we are, then the law is useless. It's no longer a law.

There is no mercy under the Law of Moses. The soul that sin gets instant judgement.

For instance under the Law, you must marry the any lady you disvirgin. And if any lady marry and the husband discover that she is not a virgin, she will be stoned to death.

There are over 600 instructions contained in the Law of Moses. If you break one, you have broken all. And if you can't keep all, you place yourself under the curses listed in Deuteronomy 28:16-68.

You want to use your head carry the load the Jews couldn't carry? It this not stupidity?

And i have told you before thst you are making a fatal error as proving by your changing of post.and i.told you.that if we are not under Law then you have a right to commit adultery, steal, kill etc. And when you Bleep a girl do.yo not run away knowing that you may find yourself marrying her? Amd that is why Christianity counsels fleeing from fornication.and staying chaste and undefiled until marriage.

As i said, we hava had all these before and this is how you kept changing post and changing post. But as i have warned you before, dont be like Satan for the blood of all the people you kiilled shall be on your head. I'm done.

Thank God i'm one of Jehovah's Witnesses.

Come and see how so called born again ones are insulting one another yet they will all agree on Hellfire doctrine that has nothing to do with God's word!

Emusan:


I think the understanding here is the usage of the word 'abolished' Christ Himself said he didn't come to abolish but to fulfill that is: I didn't come to begin set a new law for God's redemption and plan for the people but rather I'm bringing out the true meaning of already laws in place and fulfil them in my person.

There is no misunderstanding here. This is just an example of because of guilt

People see what they want to see and what people want to see never has anything to do with the truth. R. Bolano

Exactly like a criminal who must wish that Criminal Law has been abolished and therefore he will hang on anyone who says criminal law has been abolished even if it is fake news, but he no go gree.