Kobojunkie:
1. No such evidence exists in Scripture. It all seems to exist oniy in your mind though.

2. What I am quoting is about the prophecies regarding Israel? The Law and prophecies are not the same? Scripture was written by people who were all of the blood of Jacob aka Israel and these all people who lived under the Law and prophets and so spoke of what they knew. But here you continue to assert ideas completely different from the message recorded by the writers, why? Do you have your own scripture or something?

You are so empty and you make so much noise. Please, I don't have time for an unbeliever like you. You don't have a teachable spirit. Even if I quote the references, you will still not believe. You are not different from the JW organization. Maybe you are even one of them.

Ken4Christ:
■ You are so empty and you make so much noise.
■ Please, I don't have time for an unbeliever like you. You don't have a teachable spirit. Even if I quote the references, you will still not believe.
■ You are not different from the JW organization. Maybe you are even one of them.

This from a person who basically cast Jesus Christ as nothing but a liar yet at the same time desperate to persuade others that he in fact believes in the same Jesus Christ? You think yourself smart but obviously not smart enough to spot how you destroy the person of Jesus Christ with every claim you have made here thus far. That level of disconnect dem no fit but am for market at all.

2. The religious delusions you have so far filled this thread with more than ensures anyone out there able to reason that your kind of delusion should definitely not be spread to others.

3. The many contradictory claims you have made regardless the content of Scripture is more than enough to establish you and whatever cult you belong to as being on par with that of the JWs you seek to deride by that statement.

Kobojunkie:
This from a person who basically cast Jesus Christ as nothing but a liar yet at the same time desperate to persuade others that he in fact believes in the same Jesus Christ? You think yourself smart but obviously not smart enough to spot how you destroy the person of Jesus Christ with every claim you have made here thus far. That level of disconnect dem no fit but am for market at all.

2. The religious delusions you have so far filled this thread with more than ensures anyone out there able to reason that your kind of delusion should definitely not be spread to others.

3. The many contradictory claims you have made regardless the content of Scripture is more than enough to establish you and whatever cult you belong to as being on par with that of the JWs you seek to deride by that statement.

Below are some of the reasons why the Law of Moses was abolished with scripture evidences. I know you will still not believe.

1. The Law Brought a Curse on the Jews.

“For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse (spelt out in Deut. 28:15-68), for it is written cursed be every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of in the book of the law to do them” (Gal. 3:10).

Under the Law of Moses, the Jews got blessed by keeping the law (Deut. 28:1-14) and got cursed for breaking the law (Deut. 28:15-68). History reveals that they couldn't keep the laws and consequently came under the curse.

Their inability to keep the laws was because of their carnal nature (Rom. 7:14). It takes a spiritual man to keep a spiritual law.

2. The Law Brought Wrath on the Jews.

“Because the law worketh wrath, for where no law is, there is no transgression” (Rom. 4:15).

A typical example as mentioned above is recorded in Num. 11:1, where the fire of the Lord was kindled against the Jews when they murmured and complained against Moses. Many of the Jews died. In another instance recorded in Num. 21:5-6, fiery serpents were sent to bite the people when they spoke against God and Moses. In contrast, they were not punished when they committed similar offence under Abrahamic covenant. (Ex. 16:2 & 17:3).

There was no mercy under the Law of Moses; sin attracted death penalty under the law. (Heb. 10:28). Stubbornness under the law also attracted death penalty (Deut. 21:18-21). Also if a lady was loses her virginity before marriage and the husband found out, she was stoned to death (Deut. 22:13-21). A young man who gathered sticks on the Sabbath day was not exempted from death penalty (Num. 15:32-36).

“He that despised Moses law died without mercy under two or three witnesses” (Heb. 10:28). “And the commandment which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death” (Rom. 7:14).

When David numbered Israel against God’s will, 70,000 Jews died within a short space of time. (2 Sam. 24). This is why Paul calls the Law, ministry of condemnation and death. (2 Cor. 3:7-9)

3. The Law Made Nothing Perfect.

“For the law made nothing perfect but the bringing in of a better hope did by which we draw nigh unto God” (Heb. 7:19).

If the law made nothing perfect for the Jews and it won't do any better for the church.

4. The Law Made No One Perfect.

“For the law having a shadow of good things to come and not the very image of the things can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect (as pertaining to the conscience)” (Heb. 10:1).

See also Heb. 9:9. What Paul is saying here is that the Old Covenant sacrifices couldn't remove the guilt of sin. So trying to obey the laws will never take away the guilt of sin. Only faith in the blood of Jesus will remove the guilt of sin.

“For if the blood of bulls and goats, and the ashes of an heifer sprinkling the unclean, sanctifieth to the purifying of the flesh, how much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God. For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and goats should take away sins” (Heb. 9:13-14, 10:4).

5. The Law Could Not Give Life.

“Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid, for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness would have been by the law. For what the law could not do (produce life), in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and for sin condemned sin in the flesh. And the commandment which was ordained to life I found to be unto death. For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof” (Gal. 3:21, Rom. 8:3, 7:10, Heb. 7:18).

Ken4Christ:
■ Below are some of the reasons why the Law of Moses was abolished with scripture evidences. I know you will still not believe.
1. The Law Brought a Curse on the Jews. Under the Law of Moses, the Jews got blessed by keeping the law (Deut. 28:1-14) and got cursed for breaking the law (Deut. 28:15-68). History reveals that they couldn't keep the laws and consequently came under the curse. Their inability to keep the laws was because of their carnal nature (Rom. 7:14). It takes a spiritual man to keep a spiritual law.
2. The Law Brought Wrath on the Jews. A typical example as mentioned above is recorded in Num. 11:1, where the fire of the Lord was kindled against the Jews when they murmured and complained against Moses. Many of the Jews died. In another instance recorded in Num. 21:5-6, fiery serpents were sent to bite the people when they spoke against God and Moses. In contrast, they were not punished when they committed similar offence under Abrahamic covenant. (Ex. 16:2 & 17:3). There was no mercy under the Law of Moses; sin attracted death penalty under the law. (Heb. 10:28). Stubbornness under the law also attracted death penalty (Deut. 21:18-21). Also if a lady was loses her virginity before marriage and the husband found out, she was stoned to death (Deut. 22:13-21). A young man who gathered sticks on the Sabbath day was not exempted from death penalty (Num. 15:32-36). When David numbered Israel against God’s will, 70,000 Jews died within a short space of time. (2 Sam. 24). This is why Paul calls the Law, ministry of condemnation and death. (2 Cor. 3:7-9)
3. The Law Made Nothing Perfect. If the law made nothing perfect for the Jews and it won't do any better for the church.
4. The Law Made No One Perfect. [/b]See also Heb. 9:9. What Paul is saying here is that the Old Covenant sacrifices couldn't remove the guilt of sin. So trying to obey the laws will never take away the guilt of sin. Only faith in the blood of Jesus will remove the guilt of sin.
[b]5. The Law Could Not Give Life. “Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid, for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness would have been by the law. For what the law could not do (produce life), in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and for sin condemned sin in the flesh. And the commandment which was ordained to life I found to be unto death. For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof” (Gal. 3:21, Rom. 8:3, 7:10, Heb. 7:18).

These are all most doctrinal tales by moonlight— lies— that you were all fed by your equally ignorant religious overlords. Entwined in all these declarations are ideas that render your claim to believe in the same God of Israel and Jesus Christ written in Scripture as delusions rooted in Logical fallacies.

The Law of Moses was not a Spiritual Law. Rather, it was a Law that afforded the people who were able to keep it — attain holiness/perfection — the chance to have the Spirit of God live bestowed upon them. It was through the following of the very same Law of Moses, which you claim does not give Life and makes no man perfect, that men such as David, Elijah, Joshua, Samuel, Jeremiah, John the Baptist, Obadiah, Nehemiah, Mary, Elizabeth, Zechariah, Anna, Joseph, Joseph of Arimathea, etc. were all able to attain holiness(perfection). These individuals among many others who lived under the Old Law of Moses even before the time of Jesus Christ went on to be approved righteous by the God of Israel and hence earned eternal life with which they sleep to this day in their graves in following with what God said in Ezekiel 18 vs 1 - 31 & Ezekiel 33 vs 10 - 20 & Deuteronomy 30 vs 15 - 20. Even Jesus Christ also submitted Himself to the same Old Law of Moses in other to fulfill it just as His mother, Mary, and father, Joseph, both of them Israelites, were mandated by God of Israel to do. And Jesus Christ did fulfill the Old Law as He said He came to do. He told you this in Matthew 5 vs 17 but you would rather not believe it but instead assert ideas that are different from that which He stated.

All the previous examples were able to accomplish exactly that which you rather believe was impossible to achieve through submission to the Old Law of Moses. And this is what Scripture documents for all to read and know. Not only does the very foundation of your religion conflict with Scripture, but it also seems you read from pages that are against the God of Israel Himself who established that Law for the purpose which you claim it could not be used. This, of course, is in addition to your being against Jesus Christ whom you continually accuse of lying.

Ken4Christ:

You are a product of the falling standard of education in Nigeria. You lack the ability to understand simple truth.

The Law of Moses is very strict. Violation brings instant judgement..

See someone who thinks he is educated rolling from one off post to another, to another, like a falling stone, early onset madness.

Kobojunkie:
These are all most doctrinal tales by moonlight— lies— that you were all fed by your equally ignorant religious overlords. Entwined in all these declarations are ideas that render your claim to believe in the same God of Israel and Jesus Christ written in Scripture as delusions rooted in Logical fallacies.

The Law of Moses was not a Spiritual Law. Rather, it was a Law that afforded the people who were able to keep it — attain holiness/perfection — the chance to have the Spirit of God live bestowed upon them. It was through the following of the very same Law of Moses, which you claim does not give Life and makes no man perfect, that men such as David, Elijah, Joshua, Samuel, Jeremiah, John the Baptist, Obadiah, Nehemiah, Mary, Elizabeth, Zechariah, Anna, Joseph, Joseph of Arimathea, etc. were all able to attain holiness(perfection). These individuals among many others who lived under the Old Law of Moses even before the time of Jesus Christ went on to be approved righteous by the God of Israel and hence earned eternal life with which they sleep to this day in their graves in following with what God said in Ezekiel 18 vs 1 - 31 & Ezekiel 33 vs 10 - 20 & Deuteronomy 30 vs 15 - 20. Even Jesus Christ also submitted Himself to the same Old Law of Moses in other to fulfill it just as His mother, Mary, and father, Joseph, both of them Israelites, were mandated by God of Israel to do. And Jesus Christ did fulfill the Old Law as He said He came to do. He told you this in Matthew 5 vs 17 but you would rather not believe it but instead assert ideas that are different from that which He stated.

All the previous examples were able to accomplish exactly that which you rather believe was impossible to achieve through submission to the Old Law of Moses. And this is what Scripture documents for all to read and know. Not only does the very foundation of your religion conflict with Scripture, but it also seems you read from pages that are against the God of Israel Himself who established that Law for the purpose which you claim it could not be used. This, of course, is in addition to your being against Jesus Christ whom you continually accuse of lying.

John 1:17 For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.

Does this verse make sense to you? I know you will still want to argue.

I don't blame you. You are carnal and the carnal man cannot receive the things of God.

Even all the Apostles and Elders of the early church agreed that the Law of Moses should not be imposed on the Gentiles.

Dtruthspeaker:


See someone who thinks he is educated rolling from one off post to another, to another, like a falling stone, early onset madness.

The Apostles and Elders of the early church agreed that the Law of Moses should not be imposed on the Gentiles. Are you aware of this?

Dsimmer:


Paul was only telling the gospels which the Greeks, Romans etc already accepted when they came to enslave the Jews, even before Paul became a preacher. Why do Arabs even have a problem with Paul? Wetin concern them with Paul? E concern them to begin with?

Who told you Arabs had any problem with Paul? I am only commenting on the topic of this thread so how does that concern Arabs?

I have always stated that the premises of Islam is faulty on several levels, starting with the fabrication of Jewish history done by Arab Mohammed who had no business doing such fabrication different from the original, not to mention his pervertedness and terrorism. And no, there's no brothel in heaven like the peadophilic Mohammed envisaged. Terrorist Mohammed only wanted to steal lands for his Arab people who wanted to continue such act but was dealt with by the Europeans.

There was no fabrication of any sort as the same God that revealed the Qur'an revealed the Injeel to Jesus and Torah to Moses! There can be emphasis on a subject matter from the past scriptures in the Qur'an! Islam is never a new religion and there's no religion called Judaism or Christianity in the Bible! As for being perverted, the Bible should be labelled as being the perversion book of the year! Started from Onanism to homo to incest to all sorts of immorality even committed by Prophets and ancestors of Jesus Christ!

Even about terrorism, the Biblical God supported apostasy and other forms of major terrorism which continued in the crusades until when the Churches stopped using the Biblical laws entirely embracing common laws!

And the Islamic Paradise is not as the Christian Paradise.
We have worshipped on earth! In paradise, we get the full rewards! And we do not just sing Halleluiah Hosannah like the imaginary 24 elders in heaven!

Joshua and Moses did commit genocide in the Bible killing many and preserving virgins for the warriors (Numbers 31). They murdered all the men even the little sinless ones! Is this terrorism?

And the virgins numbering 32,000 were shared among them. They even gave God 32 virgins from the booty (Numbers 31:40). Similarly, the sons of God came to earth and impregnated humans (Genesis 6:1-4). God couldn't control his sons and let them multiply in such ways!

There's hardly nothing you claim Muhammad did that your God in the Bible didn't support worse! And More so, Muhammad never did what you claimed! Pedophila does not involve marriage and parental consent. It was even the wife's mother that brought her to the Prophet after the father agreed! None of his contemporary mentioned this as a crime.

On the topic, it was the law and justice of Moses that was abolished. I don't think the 10 commandments was, even as Jesus fulfilled it. The 10 commandments ain't bad itself. It's simply moral code of the world. I mean no one would like anyone stealing huge money/partner from him for example. So the law is to implement order and balance. However back then, the punishment rendered to an offender who did only little was so grave. Such grave punishment was rendered to anyone who broke any of the commandments which included Moses law, even if the commandment broken was only minimal. That was the justice and wrath aspect of God being rendered through Satan who was only obeying God's word by serving Justice to anyone who broke the law. His own was to test one's integrity and render justice as fits.

But the coming of Jesus was to depict God's merciful nature and ensure abundant grace and mercy persists, even if one broke the law. For example, Jesus pardoned the adulterous woman. He also didn't condemn Mary Magdalene who was a prostitute. He also forgave Zaccheus who was a thief stealing more money than required from others than what his job asked of him. Well, Jesus is the one who now justifies and zaccheus did restitution btw

Anyways, we can now say while law should be without mercy however justice can be rendered with mercy, especially if it warrants it. For example, I once mentioned how the sentence of an old poor man who stole food to eat was lessened for example. His sentence was quite lessened. That's justice rendered with mercy 💤

Meanwhile, there's Nothing wrong in God using a human vessel. He created Human in his own image to begin with. In fact, Human is simply the manifestation of the world created by God. The Names of God according to the Yoruba are Olorun, Oluwa, Ela, Olodumare etc for example. Let me talk about Ela and Olodumare. Ela and Olodumare are simply God's attributes. Translation of Olodumare means owner of the vacuum/womb of infinite creations while Ela means light or Word in the sense of Enlightenment and Wisdom. This Ela (God's word) is the one who ensure the manifestation of the several infinite creations present in the womb/vacuum of God, thereby creating Obatala (light) and Oduduwa (black matter) which created the world. Human was also created through this means because human was moulded from the earth formed. So the world and the Human are simply pieces of Olodumare which become manifestated. So who says God shouldn't come through his own piece again? Who gives such directive to God that he can't manifest through his own piece/creation which is a manifestation of himself? Are you reasoning at all? Ela, which is God's word/wisdom that ensured the several manifestations simply manifested through God's creation to depict God's nature which is mercy, wisdom, kindness and salvation while he justifies. The human representation was called the begotten son of God. Ifa calls it Ela, the word of God; or Jewesun, the lamb as the begotten child of God or word of God.

Tbh, Yoruba ifa illustration does enlighten to make some things more clearer, just like the above I just stated. IFA is also accurate on the concept of the world creation. Light (Obatala ) and black matter (Oduduwa ) formed the world like IFA stated. First human was a black man too.

On further note, when Ogun came for example, he depicted the nature of Ogun cosmos which represent iron, innovation and bravery. He was a warrior and a blacksmith who dealt in iron works. Also a rum maker. In today's age and civilization, that should be metallurgy, mechanical engines/engineers, chemical industries, automobiles, boxers, defence warriors who defend one's territory against terrorists etc..

Sango also depicted his cosmos nature on earth.

So the Orishas are simply intelligence and creative talents embedded within human which align with whichever of the cosmos that formed the earth. That's why the Orishas are both humans and cosmos, just like the Yoruba ancestors like Ogun, Sango, Oya, Olokun, Obatala, Oduduwa etc showcased their cosmos natures 📌

How is all these related to my comment in this thread above?

AntiChristian:
Who told you Arabs had any problem with Paul? I am only commenting on the topic of this thread so how does that concern Arabs?



There was no fabrication of any sort as the same God that revealed the Qur'an revealed the Injeel to Jesus and Torah to Moses! There can be emphasis on a subject matter from the past scriptures in the Qur'an! Islam is never a new religion and there's no religion called Judaism or Christianity in the Bible! As for being perverted, the Bible should be labelled as being the perversion book of the year! Started from Onanism to homo to incest to all sorts of immorality even committed by Prophets and ancestors of Jesus Christ!

Even about terrorism, the Biblical God supported apostasy and other forms of major terrorism which continued in the crusades until when the Churches stopped using the Biblical laws entirely embracing common laws!

And the Islamic Paradise is not as the Christian Paradise.
We have worshipped on earth! In paradise, we get the full rewards! And we do not just sing Halleluiah Hosannah like the imaginary 24 elders in heaven!

Joshua and Moses did commit genocide in the Bible killing many and preserving virgins for the warriors (Numbers 31). They murdered all the men even the little sinless ones! Is this terrorism?

And the virgins numbering 32,000 were shared among them. They even gave God 32 virgins from the booty (Numbers 31:40). Similarly, the sons of God came to earth and impregnated humans (Genesis 6:1-4). God couldn't control his sons and let them multiply in such ways!

There's hardly nothing you claim Muhammad did that your God in the Bible didn't support worse! And More so, Muhammad never did what you claimed! Pedophila does not involve marriage and parental consent. It was even the wife's mother that brought her to the Prophet after the father agreed! None of his contemporary mentioned this as a crime.

How is all these related to my comment in this thread above?

As I already stated, I don't know why Arab had a problem with Paul. Wetin concern them to begin with? No be craze be that?

I talk about the Yoruba religion because I see similarity between it and the Hebrews. So, it's bound for me to go look more on it.

Meanwhile, Terrorist Mohammad should have simply talked about Arab people if he had history to begin with hence why he fabricated gibberish. His wife's cousin was a Christian as a matter of fact. That was where he heard the gospel thus his stupid self turned it into Terrorism to write gibberish different from the original while incorporating the rituals of the Arab stone Idol deity, allah into it and stealing lands for his Arab people who had wanted to continue such acts but were dealt with by Europeans.

And I repeat there's no brothel in heaven like the useless paedophilic perverted Mohammed thought. Terrorist Mohammed knows next to nothing except sex and terrorism.

Dsimmer:


As I already stated, I don't know why Arab had a problem with Paul. Wetin concern them to begin with? No be craze be that?

Nothing concern Arabs with Paul! Just as Jesus didn't meet him, we don't know him!

I talk about the Yoruba religion because I see similarity between it and the Hebrews. So, it's bound for me to go look more on it.

None of my business!

Meanwhile, Terrorist Mohammad should have simply talked about Arab people, if he had history to begin with. He had none, hence why he fabricated gibberish. His wife's cousin was a Christian as a matter of fact. That was where he heard the gospel thus his stupid self turned into Terrorism to write gibberish different from the original while incorporating the rituals of the Arab stone Idol deity, allah into it and stealing lands for his Arab people who had wanted to continue such acts but were dealt with by Europeans.

I thought you were a little sane before. I wasn't aware na small he remain make you enter market!

And I repeat there's no brothel in heaven like the useless paedophilic perverted Mohammed thought. Terrorist Mohammed knows next to nothing except sex and terrorism.

Let's get there first!

Mind you your God too is a pedophile! The virgin booty shared to your God had kids in them!

AntiChristian:
Nothing concern Arabs with Paul! Just as Jesus didn't meet him, we don't know him!

None of my business!

I thought you were a little sane before. I wasn't aware na small he remain make you enter market!

Let's get there first!

Mind you your God too is a pedophile! The virgin booty shared to your God had kids in them!

Paul was an European. His European brothers already accepted the gospel when they came to enslave the Jews before he even started preaching to them. How's that the business of Arab to begin with? Na craze?

And yeah, Mohammad was a Peadophile and a criminal. In fact, he married his first wife because of his criminal greed for the wealth of the wife. His wife's cousin was a Christian who preached the gospel to him. But like the perverted Criminal he was, who always see greed in everything, he turned the gospel into Terrorism while incorporating the ritual of the Arab stone idol deity into it, as well as terrorising to steal people's land for his Arab people who had wanted to continue such acts but were dealt with by the Europeans. Bunch of rag heads!

I repeat there's no brothel in heaven like the Peadophilic perverted Mohammed thought.

Ken4Christ:
■ John 1:17 For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ. Does this verse make sense to you? I know you will still want to argue. I don't blame you. You are carnal and the carnal man cannot receive the things of God.
■ Even all the Apostles and Elders of the early church agreed that the Law of Moses should not be imposed on the Gentiles.

Lol.. you seem to think that blindly quoting Scripture is the way to make yourself seem smart by a 1/2 but all this does is reveal even more the emptiness you make of knowing Jesus Christ and the God of Israel.

To those of us who failed to meet up with the standard that is God's Old Law of Moses, those who refused to obey the Old Law and obtain grace(Eternal Life) through obeisance to it only to end up condemned to die for our disobedience- Deuteronomy 28 vs 15 - 57 & Leviticus 26 vs 12 through the end, God gave another change at Grace(Eternal Life) and this time His Truth through Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ came to offer us, those convicted and damned by God another chance at redemption. He is the Eternal Life(grace) of God, the Truth of God, and the Way by which those who are penitent can seek redemption and hence journey back to the graces of the Father as His servants in His Kingdom of Priests.

That verse you quoted does not say that Grace(Eternal life) was never available to those of the Old. It was, only not given freely as it was offered to us through Jesus Christ. However, that free offering is only the beginning for us as Eternal Damnation awaits those who do not meet the requirements of the new Law after that.

2. The Law of Moses should not be exposed to the Gentiles. Are you for real? Jesus Christ said that those who follow Him are of New Wine and Old Wine and New Wine should not be mixed. You don't seem to even clearly grasp what the Apostles said to avoid doing in the book of Acts either.

Blindly quoting Scripture in ignorance does not automatically bestow on you wisdom and understanding. It does the opposite. It shines a light that reflects the ignorance you are filled with. It exposes the darkness that Jesus Christ warned is in those who do not know Him or of Him. Your many contradictory claims thus far have more than shown you are not even born-again. You never started at all the journey that is Jesus Christ. You have been trying to wing it with head knowledge thinking you can beat the understanding that comes only from the Father to those who are of Him. It hasn't worked. You have wasted your years on this. I suggest you abandon this charade and go live your life well before it is too late for you.

Dsimmer:
■ Paul was only telling the gospels which the Greeks, Romans etc already accepted when they came to enslave the Jews, even before Paul became a preacher. Why do Arabs even have a problem with Paul? Wetin concern them with Paul? E concern them to begin with?
■ On the topic, it was the law and justice of Moses that was abolished. I don't think the 10 commandments was, even as Jesus fulfilled it. The 10 commandments ain't bad itself. It's simply moral code of the world. I mean no one would like anyone stealing huge money/partner from him for example. So the law is to implement order and balance. However back then, the punishment rendered to an offender who did only little was so grave. Such grave punishment was rendered to anyone who broke any of the commandments which included Moses law, even if the commandment broken was only minimal. That was the justice and wrath aspect of God being rendered through Satan who was only obeying God's word by serving Justice to anyone who broke the law. His own was to test one's integrity and render justice as fits.
■ But the coming of Jesus was to depict God's merciful nature and ensure abundant grace and mercy persists, even if one broke the law. For example, Jesus pardoned the adulterous woman. He also didn't condemn Mary Magdalene who was a prostitute. He also forgave Zaccheus who was a greedy thief stealing more money than required from others than what his job asked of him. Well, Jesus is the one who now justifies and Zaccheus did restitution too
■ Anyways, we can now say while law should be without mercy however justice can be rendered with mercy, especially if it warrants it. [/b]For example, I once mentioned how the sentence of an old poor man who stole food to eat was lessened for example. His sentence was quite lessened. That's justice rendered with mercy 💤
■ Meanwhile, there's Nothing wrong in God using a human vessel. [b]He created Human in his own image to begin with.

1. Paul's supposed letters contained less than 0.1% of the gospels.

2. These statements of yours are to a great deal false.

3. None of this is true at all. This is all taken from an angle that screams a great lack of understanding of how God's mercy works. God's mercy DOES NOT wipe away a person's sins. Rather, it is up to that person to repent(change his own life and way and seek instead obedience to God's Law). And God's mercy, you speak of, is poured out daily from God on all of mankind, even on the wicked and the ungrateful. So to claim that it was God's mercy that saved Mary Magdalene because she was a prostitute and Zaccheus... this all screams of blatant ignorance of Scripture.

4. It was in the Old Law that God of Israel declared that He would have mercy on whomever He wished to have mercy on. So why in the world would you declare that the same Old Law was without mercy? Doesn't that reveal that you have no real knowledge of what it is you are commenting on?

5. God did not create all men in His Image. Rather, Adam was the man that God created in His image and certified to be of good quality too. But we all know that Adam fell and all men have since then been born of that fallen image of Adams which is removed from the image of God that Adam was first created in.

God can use anyone but God made clear that He chose only the people of Israel for His own in the land of men. This implies His major interest remains only with those who are of the blood of Jacob.

Kobojunkie:
1. Paul's supposed letters contained less than 0.1% of the gospels.

2. These statements of yours are to a great deal false.

3. None of this is true at all. This is all taken from an angle that screams a great lack of understanding of how God's mercy works. God's mercy DOES NOT wipe away a person's sins. Rather, it is up to that person to repent(change his own life and way and seek instead obedience to God's Law). And God's mercy, you speak of, is poured out daily from God on all of mankind, even on the wicked and the ungrateful. So to claim that it was God's mercy that saved Mary Magdalene because she was a prostitute and Zaccheus... this all screams of blatant ignorance of Scripture.

4. It was in the Old Law that God of Israel declared that He would have mercy on whomever He wished to have mercy on. So why in the world would you declare that the same Old Law was without mercy? Doesn't that reveal that you have no real knowledge of what it is you are commenting on?

5. God did not create all men in His Image. Rather, Adam was the man that God created in His image and certified to be of good quality too. But we all know that Adam fell and all men have since then been born of that fallen image of Adams which is removed from the image of God that Adam was first created in.

God can use anyone but God made clear that He chose only the people of Israel for His own in the land of men. This implies His major interest remains only with those who are of the blood of Jacob.

Paul preached the Gospel. Gospel is simply Jesus Christ. Paul did come up with some few laws/principles of his to oversee some affairs but his major basis was preaching the gospel.

Btw, the old law came to exist because men came to know both the good and the bad. In order to prevent chaos as a result of man's evil inclination to do bad things, the 10 commandments were rendered. Jesus simplified it when he broke into two which is 1. Love God. 2. Love your neighbor which are others apart from yourself. If you love your neighbor, you wouldn't steal his or her things or want to harm him or her unwarranted etc.

Speaking of the adulterous woman, if it were in the old time, she wouldn't even have been in the position to meet Jesus to begin with because if Satan hadn't rendered justice on her like Satan usually did 😂, Moses' law would have rendered justice, carried out by the law makers. Heck, she was about to be stoned by the people until Jesus interference. In the old time, people always got their punishment which was the basis of the old testament. However, there were times when God interfered in the old testament. David for example. David did pray that he rather wanted to fall into God's hands in terms of punishment rendered because he knew God was merciful. That's why God said he would have mercy on whom he would have mercy on in the old testament. In the new testament though, the coming of Jesus made the grace abounds for everyone who believes in his salvation. He's the bridge for mercy, wisdom and salvation. Of course, this doesn't mean such person should continue to do evil. In fact, if anyone continues to do evil, the moral law of the society have got every right to handle such. For example, useless terrorists must be dealt with!

Dsimmer:
■ Paul preached the Gospel. Gospel is simply Jesus Christ. Paul did come up with some few laws/principles of his to create order/oversee some affairs but his major basis was preaching the gospel.
■ Btw, the old law came to be because men came to know both the good and the bad. In order to prevent chaos as a result of man's evil inclination to do bad things, the 10 commandments were rendered. Jesus simplified it when he broke into two which is 1. Love God. 2. Love your neighbor. If you love your neighbor, you wouldn't steal his or her things or want to harm him or her unwarranted etc.
■ Speaking of the adulterous woman, if it were in the old time, she wouldn't even have been in the position to meet Jesus to begin with because if Satan hadn't rendered justice on her like Satan usually does 😂, Moses' law would have rendered justice, carried out by the law makers. Heck, she was about to be stoned by the people until Jesus interference. In the old time, people always got their punishment which was the basis of the old testament. However, there are times when God intercede even in the old testament. David for example. David did pray that he rather wanted to fall in God's hands in terms of punishment rendered because he knew God was merciful. That's why God said he would have mercy on whom he would have mercy on in the old testament. In the new testament though, the coming of Jesus made the grace abounds for everyone who believes in him. He's the bridge for mercy, wisdom and salvation. Of course, this doesn't mean such person should continue to do evil and in fact, if anyone continues to do evil, the moral law of the society should handle that. For example, useless terrorists must be dealt with!

1. The information contained in Paul's letters holds less than 0.1 % of the Gospel preached by Jesus Christ. And your claim that He came up with some laws/principles of his own to add to it directly violates the Gospel and God's Old Law.

1 “Now, Israel, listen to the laws and to the commands that I teach you. Obey them and you will live. Then you can go in and take the land that the Lord, the God of your ancestors, is giving you.
2 You must not add to what I command you. And you must not take anything away. You must obey the commands of the Lord your God that I have given you. - Deuteronomy 4 vs 1 - 2

There is a similar law found in the Gospel in Matthew 15 vs 1 - 10 & Mark 7 vs 1 - 13.

2. Everything you have said thus far of the Old Law is untrue. The Old Law is the National Constitution of the Nation of Israel Constituted by the God of Israel in the Land of Canaan. That Law is an Eternal Agreement between God of Israel and the people of Israel and the Law stands today just as it did when it was given to Moses and the people almost 2500 years ago. Those of us born under it can attest to the heaviness of weight of its curse which we were condemned by.

Jesus Christ is God's New Eternal Agreement and National Constitution in the Kingdom of God — God's special Nation of Priests—, a Kingdom not of this world. Both agreements are Eternal meaning that Heaven and Earth will pass before even a jot of the Law ever will.

3. Suppositions. Bathsheba committed adultery with David yet she was not immediately stoned by those around her. You assume too much.

Kobojunkie:
1. The information contained in Paul's letters holds less than 0.1 % of the Gospel preached by Jesus Christ. And your claim that He came up with some laws/principles of his own to add to it directly violates the Gospel and God's Old Law.
[/size] There is a similar law found in the Gospel in Matthew 15 vs 1 - 10 & Mark 7 vs 1 - 13.

2. Everything you have said thus far of the Old Law is untrue. The Old Law is the National Constitution of the Nation of Israel Constituted by the God of Israel in the Land of Canaan. That Law is an Eternal Agreement between God of Israel and the people of Israel and the Law stands today just as it did when it was given to Moses and the people almost 2500 years ago. Those of us born under it can attest to the heaviness of weight of its curse which we were condemned by.

Jesus Christ is God's New Eternal Agreement and National Constitution in the Kingdom of God — God's special Nation of Priests—, a Kingdom not of this world. Both agreements are Eternal meaning that Heaven and Earth will pass before even a jot of the Law ever will.

3. Suppositions. Bathsheba committed adultery with David yet she was not immediately stoned by those around her. You assume too much.

There are principles which govern society. Even Moses had his own law. So Paul did nothing wrong by coming up with some principles to oversee some affairs. However, his major basis was preaching the gospel.

Jesus came as the chief high priest after Moses to abolish Moses' law while providing grace and mercy through his salvation.

Bathsheba adultery wasn't known. Besides, David covered for her. However, she had the wrath of God. She and David incurred the wrath of God until God later had mercy on them. So the wrath of God was immediate in the old time. Today, Jesus justifies through his salvation however, it doesn't mean one should continue to do evil. That was why Paul said "you can't continue to live in sin yet expect grace to abound"

Dsimmer:
■ There are principles which govern society. Even Moses had his own law. So Paul did nothing wrong by coming up with some principles to oversee some affairs. However, his major basis was preaching the gospel.
■ Jesus came as the chief high priest after Moses to abolish Moses' law and provide grace and mercy through his salvation.
■ Bathsheba adultery wasn't known. Besides, David covered for her. However, she had the wrath of God. She and David incurred the wrath of God until God later had mercy on them.
■ So the wrath of God was immediate in the old time. Today, Jesus justifies through his salvation however, it doesn't mean one should continue to do evil. That was why Paul said "you can't continue to live in sin yet expect grace to abound"

1. The Principle that God meant to govern the society that was His Israel in the Land of Canaan was the Old Law of Moses which He gave through Moses to the people of Israel. That Law consists of approximately 613 commandments and statutes which God of Israel mandated His people to live by warning them never to subscribe to any other Law(God) but the one He gave to them. You accusing Moses of having added his ideas to that which was stipulated by God amounts to accusing Moses of sinning against God of Israel.

Again, accusing Paul of going against the law as stipulated by Jesus Christ who is the Law in His own Kingdom amounts to accusing Paul of sinning against God.

2. Jesus Christ never abolished the Law of Moses. Jesus Christ said this HImself but I see His words are meaningless to you. The Law of Moses is an Eternal Covenant.

3. Arrggh! She wasn't known! What an interesting excuse from a mind that seems full and quick with assumptions but barely any facts.

4. The wrath of God was immediate in the Old-time yet God of Israel did not see fit to condemn the Nation of Israel for all their sins against Him until around 720 BC, and the same God stayed His final Judgment against the Nation of Judah until about 70AD. All this proves is that you have been simply parroting ignorant talk you have heard from equally ignorant men and women out there.

Kobojunkie:
Lol.. you seem to think that blindly quoting Scripture is the way to make yourself seem smart by a 1/2 but all this does is reveal even more the emptiness you make of knowing Jesus Christ and the God of Israel.

To those of us who failed to meet up with the standard that is God's Old Law of Moses, those who refused to obey the Old Law and obtain grace(Eternal Life) through obeisance to it only to end up condemned to die for our disobedience- Deuteronomy 28 vs 15 - 57 & Leviticus 26 vs 12 through the end, God gave another change at Grace(Eternal Life) and this time His Truth through Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ came to offer us, those convicted and damned by God another chance at redemption. He is the Eternal Life(grace) of God, the Truth of God, and the Way by which those who are penitent can seek redemption and hence journey back to the graces of the Father as His servants in His Kingdom of Priests.

That verse you quoted does not say that Grace(Eternal life) was never available to those of the Old. It was, only not given freely as it was offered to us through Jesus Christ. However, that free offering is only the beginning for us as Eternal Damnation awaits those who do not meet the requirements of the new Law after that.

2. The Law of Moses should not be exposed to the Gentiles. Are you for real? Jesus Christ said that those who follow Him are of New Wine and Old Wine and New Wine should not be mixed. You don't seem to even clearly grasp what the Apostles said to avoid doing in the book of Acts either.

Blindly quoting Scripture in ignorance does not automatically bestow on you wisdom and understanding. It does the opposite. It shines a light that reflects the ignorance you are filled with. It exposes the darkness that Jesus Christ warned is in those who do not know Him or of Him. Your many contradictory claims thus far have more than shown you are not even born-again. You never started at all the journey that is Jesus Christ. You have been trying to wing it with head knowledge thinking you can beat the understanding that comes only from the Father to those who are of Him. It hasn't worked. You have wasted your years on this. I suggest you abandon this charade and go live your life well before it is too late for you.

Acts 15:23-24
23 And they wrote letters by them after this manner; The APOSTLES and ELDERS and brethren send greeting unto the brethren which are of the Gentiles in Antioch and Syria and Cilicia:

24 Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom WE GAVE NO SUCH COMMANDMENTS.

It seems you are greater than the Apostles and Elders of the early Church put together who said that the law of Moses should not be imposed on the Gentiles. Read the entire Chapter 15 of the book of Acts.

Kobojunkie:
1. The Principle that God meant to govern the society that was His Israel in the Land of Canaan was the Old Law of Moses which He gave through Moses to the people of Israel. That Law consisted of approximately 613 commandments and statutes which God of Israel mandated His people to live by warning them never to subscribe to any other Law(God) but the one He gave to them. You accusing Moses of having added his ideas to that which was stipulated by God amounts to accusing Moses of vomiting sin against God of Israel.

Again, accusing Paul of going against the law as stipulated by Jesus Christ who is the Law in His own Kingdom amounts to accusing Paul of sinning against God.

2. Jesus Christ never abolished the Law of Moses. Jesus Christ said this HImself but I see His words are meaningless to you. The Law of Moses is an Eternal Covenant.

3. Arrggh! She wasn't known! What an interesting excuse from a mind that seems full and quick with assumptions but barely any facts.

4. The wrath of God was immediate in the Old-time yet God of Israel did not see fit to condemn the Nation of Israel for all their sins against Him until around 720 BC, and the same God stayed His final Judgment against the Nation of Judah until about 70AD. All this proves is that you have been simply parroting ignorant talk you have heard from equally ignorant men and women out there.

As I said, Paul did nothing wrong by coming up with some principles to oversee some affairs. Moses did too. There was a time when Jesus spoke on marriage when he was asked about it and stated that marriage had always been about two people since time immemorial but Moses gave them more room because of their lust. That was some of Moses' principles for example.

Another was Moses' cold law and justice which included stoning those who sinned. That was also supported by God which was the justice aspect of God speaking. Even if the justice wasn't carried out by the Jewish law makers, Satan was always ready to do the justice anyway 😂. However, Jesus came to ensure mercy persists through his salvation.

As for Jesus coming only to the Jews, he was sent to the Jews (one of the reason why I'm still wondering why Yoruba factored in because Yoruba religion also knows about Ela/Jewesun as the only begotten child which is the word of God, so the question is are the Yoruba also Jews? 🤔). Anyways, while Jesus was sent to the Jews, however his salvation is for all. Remember the veil of the temple was split when he died. Which means everyone can come into God's grace.

Ken4Christ:
■Acts 15:23-24
23 And they wrote letters by them after this manner; The APOSTLES and ELDERS and brethren send greeting unto the brethren which are of the Gentiles in Antioch and Syria and Cilicia:
24 Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom WE GAVE NO SUCH COMMANDMENTS.
■ It seems you are greater than the Apostles and Elders of the early Church put together who said that the law of Moses should not be imposed on the Gentiles. Read the entire Chapter 15 of the book of Acts.

I see language comprehension seems a major part of your confusion as well.

22 The apostles, the elders, and the whole church wanted to send some men with Paul and Barnabas to Antioch. The group decided to choose some of their own men. They chose Judas (also called Barsabbas) and Silas, men who were respected by the believers.
23 The group sent the letter with these men. The letter said: From the apostles and elders, your brothers, To all the non-Jewish brothers in the city of Antioch and in the countries of Syria and Cilicia. Dear Brothers:
24 We have heard that some men have come to you from our group. What they said troubled and upset you. But we did not tell them to do this.
25 We have all agreed to choose some men and send them to you. They will be with our dear friends, Barnabas and Paul.
26 Barnabas and Paul have given their lives to serve our Lord Jesus Christ.
27 So we have sent Judas and Silas with them. They will tell you the same things.
28 We agree with the Holy Spirit that you should have no more burdens, except for these necessary things:
29 Don’t eat food that has been given to idols. Don’t eat meat from animals that have been strangled or any meat that still has the blood in it. Don’t be involved in sexual sin. If you stay away from these, you will do well. We say goodbye now. - Acts 15 vs 22 - 29

The disciples of Jesus Christ could not give the Law of Moses as an instruction to any man because Jesus Christ warned them not to store New Wine in Old Wine Skin. Their refusal to teach others to follow the Law of Moses was in obedience to the teachings and commandments of Jesus Christ, the one who instructed them not to put New Wine in Old Wine Skin. They agreed with the Holy Spirit of Jesus Christ and as such stayed clear of teaching people to follow the Law of Moses in Jesus Christ.

2. Please stop deceiving yourself thinking you deceive others. What continues to remain glaring even up until now is the fact that when it comes to the knowledge of God of Israel and His Son Jesus Christ, you are even more empty than many who don't even pretend to know Him. It is not too late to abandon all this false living of yours.

Dsimmer:
■ As I said, Paul did nothing wrong by coming up with some principles to oversee some affairs. Moses did too. There was a time when Jesus spoke on marriage when he was asked about it and stated that marriage had always been about two people since time immemorial but Moses allowed more for them because of their lust. That was some of Moses' principles for example.
■ Another was Moses' cold law and justice which included stoning those who sinned. That was also sanctioned by God which was the justice aspect of God speaking. Even if the justice wasn't carried out by the Jewish law makers, Satan was always ready to do the justice anyway 😂. However, Jesus came to ensure mercy persists through his salvation.
■ As for Jesus coming only to the Jews, yeah, he was indeed sent to the Jews (one of the reason why I'm still wondering where Yoruba factored in because Yoruba religion also knows about Ela/Jewesun). So while Jesus was sent to the Jews, however his salvation was for all. Remember the veil of the temple split when he died. Which means everyone can come into God's grace but the Jews first.

When you get tired of the many suppositions and baseless claims, let me know.

Kobojunkie:
When you get tired of the many suppositions and baseless claims, let me know.

I simply quoted the scripture. For example, Jesus did spoke on the marriage when he was asked. He didn't condemn the Jews but simply told them that they shouldn't be thinking of lording it over others like they were doing because Moses only allowed it for them because of their lust. So that shows that Moses had his own principles.

Aside that, he also had his law and justice which included stoning those who committed adultery and that was sanctioned by God too. As I said, even if the Jewish law makers didn't carry it out, Satan was there to carry it out 😂 It was this law and justice that Jesus' mercy came to intercede.

And yes, the veil of the temple split to show the inner to everyone after Jesus breathed his last breath. Which means everyone can come into God's grace.

Dsimmer:
■ I simply quoted the scripture. For example, Jesus did spoke on the marriage when he was asked. He didn't condemn the Jews but simply told them that they shouldn't be thinking of lording it over others like they were doing because Moses only allowed it for them because of their lust.
■ Aside that, he also had his law and justice which included stoning those who committed adultery and that was sanctioned by God too. As I said, even if the Jewish law makers didn't carry it out, Satan was there to carry it out. It was this law and justice that Jesus' mercy came to intercede.
■ And yes, the veil of the temple split to show the inner to everyone after Jesus breathed his last breath. Which means everyone can come into God's grace.

You quoted scripture? More like you have been twisting scripture up and down. For example, Jesus Christ never said any of what you claim here.

2. What you said makes no sense at all. Satan was where to carry what out? What in the world?

3. Now you jump to another random verse to make yet another claim that is not of Scripture. Jesus Christ never said that God's grace came to everyone so again, these baseless claims of yours are not of Scripture but of your mind alone.

Kobojunkie:
You quoted scripture? More like you have been twisting scripture up and down. For example, Jesus Christ never said any of what you claim here.

2. Now you jump to another random verse to make yet another claim that is not of Scripture. Jesus Christ never said that God's grace came to everyone so again, these baseless claims of yours are not of Scripture but of your mind alone.

They were lording the doctrine over everyone while feeling right about it thus were abusing the doctrine. So when Jesus was asked, Jesus had to tell them that it wasn't so from the beginning but Moses only allowed it for them because of their lust. They weren't really condemned because he didn't condemn Moses who gave them the serial divorce without reason doctrine, only for them to marry even more 😂.. If we were to look at it, Jesus was also looking out for them, aside to curb their excesses. We all know polygamy often tends to bring conflicts between the people involved.

And yes, the veil of the temple was split.

Dsimmer:
∆ They were lording it over everyone hence the reason why they felt they were right and even came to ask Jesus about it. Jesus told them it wasn't so from the beginning but Moses only allowed it for them because of their lust. He didn't condemn Moses who gave them the principle.

Again, When you get tired of the many suppositions and baseless claims, let me know.

Kobojunkie:
Again, When you get tired of the many suppositions and baseless claims, let me know.

Also, the veil of the temple did split.

Anyways, the mercy of God persist through the salvation of Jesus, however this doesn't mean one should continue to do evil.

Aside Jesus depicting God's merciful nature and salvation, we can also applies this mercy to the law and justice rendered in the society. Of course We already know that law and justice are needed to implement order in the society and prevent chaos, however while the law should be without mercy, justice should be rendered with mercy by prosecutors etc, especially if such case warrants it 📌.. Not in the case of useless terrorists though.

Kobojunkie:
I see language comprehension seems a major part of your confusion as well.

The disciples of Jesus Christ could not give the Law of Moses as an instruction to any man because Jesus Christ warned them not to store New Wine in Old Wine Skin. Their refusal to teach others to follow the Law of Moses was in obedience to the teachings and commandments of Jesus Christ, the one who instructed them not to put New Wine in Old Wine Skin. They agreed with the Holy Spirit of Jesus Christ and as such stayed clear of teaching people to follow the Law of Moses in Jesus Christ.

2. Please stop deceiving yourself thinking you deceive others. What continues to remain glaring even up until now is the fact that when it comes to the knowledge of God of Israel and His Son Jesus Christ, you are even more empty than many who don't even pretend to know Him. It is not too late to abandon all this false living of yours.

So, you have finally agreed with me that the church is not under the Law of Moses. We are not under obligation to keep the Law of Moses.

Ken4Christ:
■ So, you have finally agreed with me that the church is not under the Law of Moses. We are not under obligation to keep the Law of Moses.

There is not agreeing with the delusional jargon you have spewed so far. A lie cannot breed truth --- darkness cannot resolve to light ----, particularly where it concerns the Truth of God.

Kobojunkie:
There is not agreeing with the delusional jargon you have spewed so far. A lie cannot breed truth --- darkness cannot resolve to light ----, particularly where it concerns the Truth of God.

Satan himself will be afraid of your gross dishonesty. You are full of empty pride. And the end will be destruction.

Ken4Christ:
■ Satan himself will be afraid of your gross dishonesty. You are full of empty pride. And the end will be destruction.

See religion of fear and captivity. You bind you bind yourselves and those around you in fear of an entity you have little to no understanding of and then you insist you do it all for the sake of a God whose words you care little to nothing for. No be madness of madness or at least wickedness for those who do that intentionally?

Kobojunkie:
See religion of fear and captivity. You bind you bind yourselves and those around you in fear of an entity you have little to no understanding of and then you insist you do it all for the sake of a God whose words you care little to nothing for. No be madness of madness or at least wickedness for those who do that intentionally?

The Jews that were given the Law of Moses have been delivered from it. You want to carry the load they couldn't carry. You are inviting trouble for yourself.

Ken4Christ:
■ The Jews that were given the Law of Moses have been delivered from it. You want to carry the load they couldn't carry. You are inviting trouble for yourself.

Your every comment screams, "The God of Israel is a liar,same as His Son, Jesus Christ."

You can't seem to maneuver your way into speaking the truth, can you?