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Re: Deities And Creators by Expanse2020(m): 8:51pm On Jan 28
MaxInDHouse:


I love this! smiley

So there are criteria one must meet before he or she could be truly called a Muslim, right?

Now do the same with Christianity and figure out who are true Christians! smiley
Like asking me to throw Gold up and be looking for metal no way man.
Re: Deities And Creators by Expanse2020(m): 8:55pm On Jan 28
MaxInDHouse:


God's word could only be identified not by the swords of those adhering to it but how they are able to fulfill the purpose for which God inspired the writers.

So instead of arguing over what imperfect humans have done with their own copies of the Bible why not ask for the purpose of the Author?

If the purpose is met then know that there is no addition or subtraction made for the Author knows exactly why He inspired the writers! smiley
But if the God words are mixed with men word (and men are born with lie and deception in Nation) how did you goin to differentiate between the two
Re: Deities And Creators by MaxInDHouse(m): 9:00pm On Jan 28
Expanse2020:

Like asking me to throw Gold up and be looking for metal no way man.

If you want me to agree with terms that makes someone a Muslim then you must agree with terms that makes one a Christian.

Are you ready to know what quantify someone to be a true Christian? smiley
Re: Deities And Creators by MaxInDHouse(m): 9:12pm On Jan 28
Expanse2020:

But if the God words are mixed with men word (and men are born with lie and deception in Nation) how did you goin to differentiate between the two

I already answered but as usual Muslims don't calm down in such matters.

Here is the answer again:

If you purposely order your secretary type and you heard that it has been altered will you just start attacking those accused or wait for the purpose for which the document was typed?

So what is the purpose for which God inspired the book?
It's when such purpose is not met that you can start thinking of how to right the wrong but if the purpose is met you have no business with those who altered their own copies do you? smiley
Re: Deities And Creators by Expanse2020(m): 9:24pm On Jan 28
MaxInDHouse:


I already answered but as usual Muslims don't calm down in such matters.

Here is the answer again:

If you purposely order your secretary type and you heard that it has been altered will you just start attacking those accused or wait for the purpose for which the document was typed?

So what is the purpose for which God inspired the book?
It's when such purpose is not met that you can start thinking of how to right the wrong but if the purpose is met you have no business with those who altered their own copies do you? smiley
You are Jehovah witnesses..you don't believe Jesus is a God but was written and claimed by other group that Jesus is a God because it was written by some folks that they didn't meet JESUS self
And that is what cause misguided in Christianity
Re: Deities And Creators by MaxInDHouse(m): 5:36am On Jan 29
Expanse2020:

You are Jehovah witnesses..you don't believe Jesus is a God but was written and claimed by other group that Jesus is a God because it was written by some folks that they didn't meet JESUS self. And that is what cause misguided in Christianity

That's why i said you don't know what it means to be a Christian!

Moses was also a God because the Almighty God made Moses like a God in his time {Exodus 7:1} and God promised the Israelites that He will send another prophet like Moses to them from among their brothers who will also act as God's representative in their midst with lots of miraculous works the same way Moses did {Deuteronomy 18:18} so Almighty God actually sent two prophets like Gods to the Israelites namely Moses and Jesus that's what Jesus' disciples believe:

Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;
And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you:
Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.
For Moses truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you.Acts 3:19-22


So ask yourself now was Jesus the Almighty God or a prophet like Moses sent to the Jews?

What did the first century Jewish Christians believe about Jesus?

That's why i told you:
"there are different religions all claiming Christians whereas they are not Christians"

If some groups begin shouting Muhammad's name up and down today but failed to have the same line of thought with his sixth century followers will you agree that such groups are Muslims for real?

According to God's word Jesus will be sent to TEACH the Israelites in the name of their God {Deuteronomy 18:19} and that's exactly what he did! John 17:6, 26

His disciples believe that God Almighty raised Jesus from the dead! Act 2:32; Hebrews 5:7

So who are the real Christians today?
Is it misinformed religionists or well informed disciples who are teaching exactly what God's word said? Matthew 28:19-20 smiley
Re: Deities And Creators by Roycemadeit(m): 6:21pm On Jan 30
You don't need salvation and there is no crime to repent of.

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Re: Deities And Creators by Dtruthspeaker: 7:56am On Feb 22
if una still dey find Satan shey una don see am for him pikin wey.talk for up?
Re: Deities And Creators by MaxInDHouse(m): 8:05am On Feb 22
Roycemadeit:
You don't need salvation and there is no crime to repent of.

Salvation is needed but to repent you have to know what exactly you are repenting for!
Re: Deities And Creators by bobestman(m): 11:38am On Feb 22
You are all creation of gods. The ppl who first manifested on earth were gods/angels. They were sent by true God to explore and make findings on what he created and later come back to report and he will credit based on their works - parable of the talents. They have the ability to create their kind thru sex. Do they do that in heaven? No. On earth they become god men/Anunaki- half god, half men. They ruled earth billions of year before the homo sapiens Adam which is a creation of Yahweh one of the gods and the creator of the ppl Yacob. They are good and some bad. They have their territories too. We have been living in West Africa before Yahweh's Adam. This is why many on earth could be heaven angels, earth, demons and wandering souls. Astrology will help you know your sign and planet. And those places are ruled by gods. Each sun or planet rep a god or angel. This is why those who know can see your star. BUT YOUR SOUL BELONG TO GOD ALMIGHTY. You only pass their to come to earth. Live right here!
Re: Deities And Creators by bobestman(m): 12:22pm On Feb 22
Creation process is like an evolution process. God only created his sons/angels. They ruled till their own creation HOMO ERECTUS took over. Those ones ruled for like million years before the era of the HOMO SAPIENS which began from Adam which is us today. Some are creating AI and others to replace you today. The first gods rule the world and all they created. God Almighty set a time to correct all these. That time shall all know the truth. All your religions are controlled by the gods. You are also god if you use your head and can break free from their hold. They will fear you when you know their games and who they are. They won't be able to control you anymore. The key to eternal life is knowing these false gods and their lies
Re: Deities And Creators by Roycemadeit(m): 7:24am On Feb 27
MaxInDHouse:


Salvation is needed but to repent you have to know what exactly you are repenting for!

You committed no crimes, that you never prayed for repentance until you encountered someone who told you that you are a sinner, suggests that it wasn't a personal realisation but a mental conditioning. If we were to assume that it's necessary for one to repent, then those who lived and died years before Christianity was created would all be in hell.
Re: Deities And Creators by MaxInDHouse(m): 7:57am On Feb 27
Roycemadeit:

You committed no crimes, that you never prayed for repentance until you encountered someone who told you that you are a sinner, suggests that it wasn't a personal realisation but a mental conditioning. If we were to assume that it's necessary for one to repent, then those who lived and died years before Christianity was created would all be in hell.
Crime slightly differ from sin!

Sin means blunders that will eventually lead to disaster but not obvious from the perspective of a freethinker.

So before you can think of repentance someone needs to enlighten you about that sin (unknown blunder) you're committing and it's consequences to illustrate imagine a person who loves taking in carbohydrates and protein but finds it boring to take in fluid as in water, is such a person harming anyone? But what if nobody explains to him the importance of fluid in the body system? Do you think he or she is living fine?

That's exactly what sin means not just crime that even a toddler can grasp as bad.
Re: Deities And Creators by Roycemadeit(m): 5:00pm On Mar 05
MaxInDHouse:

Crime slightly differ from sin!

Sin means blunders that will eventually lead to disaster but not obvious from the perspective of a freethinker.

So before you can think of repentance someone needs to enlighten you about that sin (unknown blunder) you're committing and it's consequences to illustrate imagine a person who loves taking in carbohydrates and protein but finds it boring to take in fluid as in water, is such a person harming anyone? But what if nobody explains to him the importance of fluid in the body system? Do you think he or she is living fine?

That's exactly what sin means not just crime that even a toddler can grasp as bad.

Your analogy with carbohydrates is contradictory to sin as it is factual and evidential.

Fortunately, I could not even have thought sin was true if God did not exhibit a number of it, from anger, to jealousy, to lies.
Re: Deities And Creators by MaxInDHouse(m): 5:03pm On Mar 05
Roycemadeit:

Your analogy with carbohydrates is contradictory to sin as it is probable and evidential. Fortunately, I could not even have thought sin was true if God did not exhibit a number of it, from anger, to jealousy, to lies.

Which god are you talking about? smiley
Re: Deities And Creators by Roycemadeit(m): 5:06pm On Mar 05
MaxInDHouse:


Which god are you talking about? smiley


What other God is there?

The Abrahamic God of the bible
Re: Deities And Creators by MaxInDHouse(m): 10:18pm On Mar 05
Roycemadeit:

What other God is there?
The Abrahamic God of the bible

Are you sure it's the Abrahamu God that you described in the below statement? smiley

[quote author=Roycemadeit post=128790158]
God did not exhibit a number of it, from anger, to jealousy, to lies.[/b]
Re: Deities And Creators by Roycemadeit(m): 11:18am On Mar 07
MaxInDHouse:


Are you sure it's the Abrahamu God that you described in the below statement? smiley



You must not have read your bible well enough...


Let's see some verses.


Galatians 5:19-21:

"19 The acts of the flesh are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; 20 idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, anger, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions 21 and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God."



Now let's see where the Holy God has these sins and more... grin

Exodus 20:5, "You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God..."

Exodus 32:10-11, "Now leave me alone so that my anger may burn against them and that I may destroy them."

1 Kings 22:22-23, in this passage God allows a lying spirit to deceive Ahab, the king of Israel.

Malachi 1:3: "but Esau I have hated.

NOW THE REST OF THE SINFUL NATURE OF GOD IS FOUND IN MORE BOOKS OF THE BIBLE...

if you desire more passages, I would probably hearken... grin grin
Re: Deities And Creators by MaxInDHouse(m): 1:34pm On Mar 07
Roycemadeit:

You must not have read your bible well enough...
Let's see some verses.
Galatians 5:19-21:
"19 The acts of the flesh are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; 20 idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, anger, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions 21 and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God."
Now let's see where the Holy God has these sins and more... grin
Exodus 20:5, "You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God..."
Exodus 32:10-11, "Now leave me alone so that my anger may burn against them and that I may destroy them."
1 Kings 22:22-23, in this passage God allows a lying spirit to deceive Ahab, the king of Israel.
Malachi 1:3: "but Esau I have hated.
NOW THE REST OF THE SINFUL NATURE OF GOD IS FOUND IN MORE BOOKS OF THE BIBLE...
if you desire more passages, I would probably hearken... grin grin


You only need to ask questions instead of the hasty conclusion.

For instance God said He is a JEALOUS God in that He doesn't tolerate rivalry from demons that the nations worship. That's not a sinful trait but a fine attribute.
People worship demons and those demons leads them into hurtful desires and by the end they will say they're worshiping God that's what the true God detests.


When God brought the Israelites out of Egypt the world's most powerful nation back then without a military force are they not supposed to obey such a God without hesitation?
So when He said His anger blazed against them do you compare that to a human who is angry with his neighbour that he can't save?


King Ahab of Israel turned away from the true prophet of God so what spirit do you think will come from false prophets of Baal?

God purposed to save mankind through the lineage of Abraham so the privilege goes to each firstborn from that lineage that's why Isaac was chosen because he is the first and only child of Sarah Abraham's legal wife but in the case of Isaac the twins in the womb of his wife has different characters Esau supposed to be the one who will inherit that blessing but he doesn't see anything worth fighting for in that rich heritage unlike Jacob his brother.

Note that the same blessing was supposed to be given to Jacob's firstborn son but Jacob's first three sons proved they're not worthy that is why it was given to Judah the fourth Son of Jacob.

So the true God is JEALOUS and ANGRY for the right reasons because He has the power to undo whatever evil anyone does to His servant all He demands is loyalty but humans don't have such quality that's why it's wrong for we humans to be jealous and angry towards our fellow human whom we can't save neither can we save ourselves!
Re: Deities And Creators by Roycemadeit(m): 5:38pm On Mar 07
MaxInDHouse:



So the true God is JEALOUS and ANGRY for the right reasons because He has the power to undo whatever evil anyone does to His servant all He demands is loyalty but humans don't have such quality that's why it's wrong for we humans to be jealous and angry towards our fellow human whom we can't save neither can we save ourselves!


Woah!!! Your holy God exhibits sin and You rationalise it to be for the right reasons... Omo, this is incredible... You know the funny thing is you say it is wrong for us to be jealous towards each other, yet it was JEALOUSY that led Jacob to deceiving his father to obtain his brother's blessings... in this vein you said it was permissible... grin very hilarious
Re: Deities And Creators by MaxInDHouse(m): 5:48pm On Mar 07
Roycemadeit:

Woah!!! Your holy God exhibits sin and You rationalise it to be for the right reasons... Omo, this is incredible... You know the funny thing is you say it is wrong for us to be jealous towards each other, yet it was JEALOUSY that led Jacob to deceiving his father to obtain his brother's blessings... in this vein you said it was permissible... grin very hilarious

Naaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!

Jacob was never jealous of Esau rather he CHERISHED the heritage of being the ancestor of the Messiah that's what Esau doesn't care about.

And as for jealousy and anger they are sin for any human who doesn't know what to do when his neighbour thinks differently but to God who knows the end of what you're starting now He could tell you the outcome even before you take the step.

For instance God said it's wrong for humans to rule over themselves so if anyone wants to be King over his fellow humans such a person is dragging God's right with Him but when humans are dragging it among themselves it's a sin because they don't know what tomorrow may bring unlike God who has the power over our tomorrow! smiley
Re: Deities And Creators by Roycemadeit(m): 5:53pm On Mar 07
MaxInDHouse:


Naaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!

Jacob was never jealous of Esau rather he CHERISHED the heritage of being the ancestor of the Messiah that's what Esau doesn't care about.

And as for jealousy and anger they are sin for any human who doesn't know what to do when his neighbour thinks differently but to God who knows the end of what you're starting now He could tell you the outcome even before you take the step.

For instance God said it's wrong for humans to rule over themselves so if anyone wants to be King over his fellow humans such a person is dragging God's right with Him but when humans are dragging it among themselves it's a sin because they don't know what tomorrow may bring unlike God who has the power over our tomorrow! smiley

A God who repented... Doesn't know tomorrow... Genesis 6:6 (KJV): "And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the Earth."
Re: Deities And Creators by MaxInDHouse(m): 5:58pm On Mar 07
Roycemadeit:

A God who repented... Doesn't know tomorrow... Genesis 6:6 (KJV): "And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the Earth."

You don't understand that it's not about what He purposed for mankind that He doesn't know neither can anything change it but what most humans turned out to be.

So if only two were able to meet up with His requirements they can multiply again just as Adam and Eve did that's what He meant.

He knows what He has in mind for mankind in the future and nothing can change that it's those who aren't complying that will be exterminated.
Re: Deities And Creators by Roycemadeit(m): 6:01pm On Mar 07
MaxInDHouse:


You don't understand that it's not about what He purposed for mankind that He doesn't know neither can anything change it but what most humans turned out to be.

So if only two were able to meet up with His requirements they can multiply again just as Adam and Eve did that's what He meant.

He knows what He has in mind for mankind in the future and nothing can change that it's those who aren't complying that will be exterminated.





Abeg, laugh yourself small
Re: Deities And Creators by MaxInDHouse(m): 6:31pm On Mar 07
Roycemadeit:

Abeg, laugh yourself small

Because you don't understand something it will surely amuse you but that's not a problem you only need enlightenment.

God can read the heart of humans to know who is loyal but then where does their loyalty goes is what time will tell.

For instance out of all the inhabitants of the earth in the days of Abraham God can see that the man is loyal but will he be 100% loyal to his friend?
God didn't know this until Abraham was tested to the full:

“Do not harm the boy, and do not do anything at all to him, for now I do know that you are God-fearing because you have not withheld your son, your only one, from me" Genesis 22:12

So God only knows those who are loyal among Adam's descendants by reading their hearts but to what extent depends on time.

That doesn't mean God can't choose someone else what matters mostly to God is that some among Adam's descendants will prove to be loyal and it's these loyal ones that will surely be used to fulfill God's purpose. smiley

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